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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading

2019-07-10 Thread JR

I will PM you.

JR

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 11:33:59 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>
>
> Thanks again JR
> This is very nice :)
>
> Do I read correctly that Estevão's father is João Alvares? And what is his 
> mother's first name?
> I'm following the paternal line António Cabral -> Estevão Alvares -> João 
> Alvares -> ...
> You wouldn't happen to have any more information on that line?
>
> Cheers
> Gonçalo
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:25 PM JR > wrote:
>
>> These are the parents:
>>
>> Estevao de Sousa (or Alvares) cc Maria de Revoredo
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P93.html
>>
>> Manuel de Paiva cc Barbara de Sousa
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P91.html
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 8:12:07 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>>>
>>> Obrigado JR
>>> Gonçalo
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:35 AM JR  wrote:
>>>
 Antonio Cabral filho de Estevao Alvares e sua mulher Maria de Revoredo 
 com Maria de Sousa filha de Manoel de Paiva mariante e sua mulher Barbara 
 de Souza fregueses todos desta igreja.

 JR

 On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:49:01 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
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> Hello
>
> I need help in reading the names of the parents of António Cabral 
> [image: image.png]
> They are ??? Alvares and Maria de ???
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P116.html
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> Cheers
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading

2019-07-10 Thread Gonçalo Marques

Thanks again JR
This is very nice :)

Do I read correctly that Estevão's father is João Alvares? And what is his
mother's first name?
I'm following the paternal line António Cabral -> Estevão Alvares -> João
Alvares -> ...
You wouldn't happen to have any more information on that line?

Cheers
Gonçalo


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:25 PM JR  wrote:

> These are the parents:
>
> Estevao de Sousa (or Alvares) cc Maria de Revoredo
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P93.html
>
> Manuel de Paiva cc Barbara de Sousa
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P91.html
>
> JR
>
> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 8:12:07 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>>
>> Obrigado JR
>> Gonçalo
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:35 AM JR  wrote:
>>
>>> Antonio Cabral filho de Estevao Alvares e sua mulher Maria de Revoredo
>>> com Maria de Sousa filha de Manoel de Paiva mariante e sua mulher Barbara
>>> de Souza fregueses todos desta igreja.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:49:01 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:

 Hello

 I need help in reading the names of the parents of António Cabral
 [image: image.png]
 They are ??? Alvares and Maria de ???


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P116.html

 Cheers
 Gonçalo

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading

2019-07-10 Thread JR

These are the parents:

Estevao de Sousa (or Alvares) cc Maria de Revoredo
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P93.html

Manuel de Paiva cc Barbara de Sousa
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P91.html

JR

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 8:12:07 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
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> Obrigado JR
> Gonçalo
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:35 AM JR > 
> wrote:
>
>> Antonio Cabral filho de Estevao Alvares e sua mulher Maria de Revoredo 
>> com Maria de Sousa filha de Manoel de Paiva mariante e sua mulher Barbara 
>> de Souza fregueses todos desta igreja.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:49:01 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> I need help in reading the names of the parents of António Cabral 
>>> [image: image.png]
>>> They are ??? Alvares and Maria de ???
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P116.html
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Gonçalo
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading

2019-07-10 Thread Gonçalo Marques

Obrigado JR
Gonçalo

On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:35 AM JR  wrote:

> Antonio Cabral filho de Estevao Alvares e sua mulher Maria de Revoredo com
> Maria de Sousa filha de Manoel de Paiva mariante e sua mulher Barbara de
> Souza fregueses todos desta igreja.
>
> JR
>
> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:49:01 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> I need help in reading the names of the parents of António Cabral
>> [image: image.png]
>> They are ??? Alvares and Maria de ???
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P116.html
>>
>> Cheers
>> Gonçalo
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading

2019-07-10 Thread JR

Antonio Cabral filho de Estevao Alvares e sua mulher Maria de Revoredo com 
Maria de Sousa filha de Manoel de Paiva mariante e sua mulher Barbara de 
Souza fregueses todos desta igreja.

JR

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:49:01 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> I need help in reading the names of the parents of António Cabral 
> [image: image.png]
> They are ??? Alvares and Maria de ???
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P116.html
>
> Cheers
> Gonçalo
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading baptism record 1828 Altares

2019-06-20 Thread doreencaetano

Thank you. I will now check to see how big of a mess I have in my database. 
Upon further analysis I may have more questions.

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From: Philippe Garnier
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 4:25 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading baptism record 1828 Altares

Hi Doreen,

On the Francisca's baptism is : Francisca filha de "Francisco digo" Manoel 
Cardoso ...

On the mariage of Francisco Cardoso Jaques : he is not widow of Francisca Rosa 
but : "filho de outro do mesmo nome e de sua mulher Francisca Rosa. This 
Francisco is the brother of Manoel Cardoso married with Isabel Felicia (or 
Isabel da Conceição).

Abs

Philippe Garnier
Paris - France
https://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira

Le mardi 18 juin 2019 16:23:04 UTC+2, doreencaetano a écrit :
Well I might have a problem….
If I’m reading this correctly have a baptism record for Francisca, daughter of 
Manuel Cardoso and Isabel da Conceicao of Altares , born 2/1/1828. Francisca’s 
godparents are Jose Cardoso, son of Francisco Cardoso, and his mother Francisca 
Rosa
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P37.html
Here’s the parent’s marriage. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P123.html

Now here is the problem…I have the marriage of Francisco Cardoso, widow of 
Francisca Rosa, marrying Maria Rosa, daughter of Joao Goncalves Coelho and Rosa 
Joaquina in 1823. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P122.html
This means that Francisca Rosa, Francisco first wife, passed away before this 
2nd marriage and thus she could not be alive in 1828 for the baptism of her 
granddaughter. Right?

I know this is asking a lot (to read 3 records and check to see if I read 
something wrong) but I need help straighten out the mess I created in my 
database. Thank you for your assistance. Doreen Caetano

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading baptism record 1828 Altares

2019-06-19 Thread Philippe Garnier

Hi Doreen,

On the Francisca's baptism is : Francisca filha de "Francisco digo" Manoel 
Cardoso ...

On the mariage of Francisco Cardoso Jaques : he is not widow of Francisca 
Rosa but : "filho de outro do mesmo nome e de sua mulher Francisca Rosa. 
This Francisco is the brother of Manoel Cardoso married with Isabel Felicia 
(or Isabel da Conceição).

Abs

Philippe Garnier
Paris - France
https://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira

Le mardi 18 juin 2019 16:23:04 UTC+2, doreencaetano a écrit :
>
> Well I might have a problem….
>
> If I’m reading this correctly have a baptism record for Francisca, 
> daughter of Manuel Cardoso and Isabel da Conceicao of Altares , born 
> 2/1/1828. Francisca’s godparents are Jose Cardoso, son of Francisco 
> Cardoso, and his mother Francisca Rosa
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P37.html
>
> Here’s the parent’s marriage. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P123.html
>
>  
>
> Now here is the problem…I have the marriage of Francisco Cardoso, widow of 
> Francisca Rosa, marrying Maria Rosa, daughter of Joao Goncalves Coelho and 
> Rosa Joaquina in 1823. 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P122.html
>
> This means that Francisca Rosa, Francisco first wife, passed away before 
> this 2nd marriage and thus she could not be alive in 1828 for the baptism 
> of her granddaughter. Right?
>
>  
>
> I know this is asking a lot (to read 3 records and check to see if I read 
> something wrong) but I need help straighten out the mess I created in my 
> database. Thank you for your assistance. Doreen Caetano
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Sent from Mail  for 
> Windows 10
>
>  
>
>  
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a marriage record Raposo, Mosteiros

2014-06-30 Thread IslandRoutes

Cheri,
I understand what you mean. You probably noticed the "Manual" spelling 
throughout the book.  I appreciate what Demello did by indexing these 
records, but I always go to the original because he made little errors.  

Also, some might not realized that just because an entry appears in 
Demello's book that the family actually came to Hawaii.  I've found people 
that did not go to Hawaii, but years later went to Massachusetts.

I do not see where he got "deceased" and I have to try to figure out why 
Manoel Raposo, himself, listed his father as having the same name as him.  
For that manner, why he and his alleged brother took the surnames Raposo.  
If they are brothers, it is confusing that at the same time Manoel named a 
father in his passport, Francisco Raposo listed his as Pai Incognito.  If 
only our ancestors kept diaries!

On Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:58:30 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I'm not knocking Bob De Mello, but at the time he did his passaportes to 
> Hawaii book, he made some assumptions that he carried throughout the book.  
> I don't think his grasp of the Portuguese language was all that good.  So 
> he may have assumed that no father listed meant that the father had died.  
>
> So unless you can find your Manuel leaving the Azores in the Azorean 
> passaportes, I'd really question the father being deceased.  They always 
> named the father and then said deceased after his name.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a marriage record Raposo, Mosteiros

2014-06-29 Thread Cheri Mello

I'm not knocking Bob De Mello, but at the time he did his passaportes to
Hawaii book, he made some assumptions that he carried throughout the book.
I don't think his grasp of the Portuguese language was all that good.  So
he may have assumed that no father listed meant that the father had died.

So unless you can find your Manuel leaving the Azores in the Azorean
passaportes, I'd really question the father being deceased.  They always
named the father and then said deceased after his name.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a marriage record Raposo, Mosteiros

2014-06-28 Thread IslandRoutes

JR,
Thanks for the translation and going the extra mile to get the baptismal 
for Manoel Raposo.  I was guessing Ignacio or Innocencio for the wife's 
father's surname on the marriage.  This priest had an odd way of not 
connecting the bottom of his letters.

The baptismal is helpful.  It is curious that she is listed as unwed but 
without the Pai Incognito (or even that phrase with sabido which I saw a 
little in the records of Achada).  I am still trying to figure out how 
Robert Demello got "deceased" for Manoel Raposo's father (I am referring to 
Demello's passport index book for the Azores).  I looked at the passport 
entry and it does not infer living or dead for the father.

I am going to search for the baptismals of Manoel Raposo's children.  I 
know there were at least 3 born before they left for Hawaii.  As you said, 
there might be more of the story there.

Thanks again!

On Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:32:29 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
>
> And here is your answer:
>
> Manoel, born- Jan 25- 1846, bap- Feb 9- 1846, Padrinhos- Manoel da Costa e 
> sua mulher Maria Jacinta. Interestingly enough, the record still does not 
> say the father of Manuel is unknown. But it does say Maria Jacinta is 
> single, native of Mosteiros and the daughter of Maria Francisca, deceased 
> and father unknown.
> Certified March 28-1882 bu cura Oliveira
>
> Go for the baptisms of the children of Manoel Raposo with Maria Albina de 
> Jesus. You may get more info.
>
> JR
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1843-1855/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1843-1855_item1/P43.html
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a marriage record Raposo, Mosteiros

2014-06-28 Thread JR

And here is your answer:

Manoel, born- Jan 25- 1846, bap- Feb 9- 1846, Padrinhos- Manoel da Costa e 
sua mulher Maria Jacinta. Interestingly enough, the record still does not 
say the father of Manuel is unknown. But it does say Maria Jacinta is 
single, native of Mosteiros and the daughter of Maria Francisca, deceased 
and father unknown.
Certified March 28-1882 bu cura Oliveira

Go for the baptisms of the children of Manoel Raposo with Maria Albina de 
Jesus. You may get more info.

JR


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1843-1855/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1843-1855_item1/P43.html

On Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:09:20 AM UTC-4, JR wrote:
>
> In Conceicao, Mosteiros, Jan 16- 1870, married Manoel Raposo with Maria 
> Albina de Jesus; He is, 24 yrs old, single,  campaneo, native of fraguesia 
> de Conceicao, place of Mosteiros, baptised and resident of same place, 
> natural son of Maria Jacintha, baptised in said place of Mosteiros; and she 
> is 19 yrs old, single, domestic, native and baptised in fraguesia de Sao 
> Sebastiao, Ginetes, and resident of same place, daughter of Manoel Ignacio 
> (possibly Innocencio) native of said Sao Sebastiao (Ginetes and Albina 
> Rosa, native of matriz Sao Sebastiao de Ponta Delgada.
>
> The priest sometimes used the term natural child for an unwed mother. The 
> father may or may not be known. You can try finding a baptism for a child 
> of this couple and it may further explain her status. Alternatively, you 
> can look up the baptism of Manuel Raposo, whose birthdate is known.
>
> JR
>
> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 5:13:14 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote:
>>
>> I'm doing some research for my cousin and have found her great 
>> grandparent's marriage record in Mosteiros.  Can someone help me with the 
>> names on this record.  I can read the information about the groom, but I 
>> can't make out the bride's father's surname and the bride's mother's name?  
>> I can make out Manoel __ and the  Rosa (it's either 
>> Maria or Albina?)
>>
>> The entry in question is at the top, left hand side (first part is on the 
>> previous page).
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879_item1/P4.html
>>
>> Also, a separate question.  It says that Manoel Raposo is "filho natural" 
>> of Maria Jacintha.  But, there is no Pai Incognito.  Does this mean 
>> something or did the person writing the record just leave off the Pai 
>> Incognito part?  (Or is it there on page 1 but I can't find it?)  The 
>> reason I ask is this person has a passport to Hawaii, 1882, I believe.  The 
>> record says that his father's name was the same as his.  Then, Robert 
>> Demello in his index book put "dead" instead of the father's name.  Just 
>> trying to sort out any clues as he was supposed to have a brother named 
>> Francisco, who I have found and the father in his marriage record and 
>> passport are clearly "pai incognito"  (We are still establishing if the two 
>> men are brothers)
>> Part 1 of the record (bottom, right hand side)
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879_item1/P3.html
>>
>> This person's handwriting has really given me fits!
>>
>> Thanks for the help,
>> Mel
>>
>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a marriage record Raposo, Mosteiros

2014-06-28 Thread JR

In Conceicao, Mosteiros, Jan 16- 1870, married Manoel Raposo with Maria 
Albina de Jesus; He is, 24 yrs old, single,  campaneo, native of fraguesia 
de Conceicao, place of Mosteiros, baptised and resident of same place, 
natural son of Maria Jacintha, baptised in said place of Mosteiros; and she 
is 19 yrs old, single, domestic, native and baptised in fraguesia de Sao 
Sebastiao, Ginetes, and resident of same place, daughter of Manoel Ignacio 
(possibly Innocencio) native of said Sao Sebastiao (Ginetes and Albina 
Rosa, native of matriz Sao Sebastiao de Ponta Delgada.

The priest sometimes used the term natural child for an unwed mother. The 
father may or may not be known. You can try finding a baptism for a child 
of this couple and it may further explain her status. Alternatively, you 
can look up the baptism of Manuel Raposo, whose birthdate is known.

JR

On Saturday, June 28, 2014 5:13:14 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote:
>
> I'm doing some research for my cousin and have found her great 
> grandparent's marriage record in Mosteiros.  Can someone help me with the 
> names on this record.  I can read the information about the groom, but I 
> can't make out the bride's father's surname and the bride's mother's name?  
> I can make out Manoel __ and the  Rosa (it's either 
> Maria or Albina?)
>
> The entry in question is at the top, left hand side (first part is on the 
> previous page).
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879_item1/P4.html
>
> Also, a separate question.  It says that Manoel Raposo is "filho natural" 
> of Maria Jacintha.  But, there is no Pai Incognito.  Does this mean 
> something or did the person writing the record just leave off the Pai 
> Incognito part?  (Or is it there on page 1 but I can't find it?)  The 
> reason I ask is this person has a passport to Hawaii, 1882, I believe.  The 
> record says that his father's name was the same as his.  Then, Robert 
> Demello in his index book put "dead" instead of the father's name.  Just 
> trying to sort out any clues as he was supposed to have a brother named 
> Francisco, who I have found and the father in his marriage record and 
> passport are clearly "pai incognito"  (We are still establishing if the two 
> men are brothers)
> Part 1 of the record (bottom, right hand side)
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879_item1/P3.html
>
> This person's handwriting has really given me fits!
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Mel
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help with reading record Ponta Delgada , I. S. Miguel

2014-06-06 Thread mc64738

I read:

"natural da vila de Tomar, filho de Francisco da Fonseca de Almeida e 
Gracia Ribeiro Tavares?, ambos moradores na dita vila, freguesia de S. 
Maria dos Olivais".

Maria da Fonseca Pereira natural da cidade de Elvas, filha de João de 
Mesquita Pimentel e Dona Maria Michaela, moradores na dita cidade, 
freguesia de Alcáçova.

Manoel

Em sexta-feira, 6 de junho de 2014 05h24min17s UTC-3, João Ventura escreveu:
>
> I believe he's "natural da vila de Tomar, filho de Francisco de Fonseca de 
> Almeida e Agatha(?).., ambos moradores na dita vila, freguesia de S. Maria 
> dos Olivais".
>
> The books from that parish will eventually be here: 
> http://tombo.pt/en/f/tmr11 , once the Arquive of Santarém places them 
> online.
>
> João Ventura
> http://tombo.pt/en
>
> On Thursday, 5 June 2014 17:45:59 UTC+2, Carlos Cardoso wrote:
>>
>> Hi John. I thought about that , but not being familiar with the names of 
>> the "freguesias" from the XVII cent. in Portugal I couldn't say for sure. I 
>> got the link again and tested , is working .
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1677-1708/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1677-1708_item1/P93.html
>>  
>> .Try again ,please.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:04carlos:48 PM UTC-4, Carlos Cardoso wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, I'm trying to read this record from the church of S. Sebastian (main 
>>> church) of the town of Ponta Delgada, I. S. Miguel looking for my "Fonseca 
>>> de Miranda , Oliveira Velho, Medeiros) from 1770 and earlier. Any help with 
>>> this record will be appreciated. the record is about the marriage of Mel. 
>>> da Fonseca Couceiro  and Maria da Fonseca Pereira. I couldn't make up the 
>>> name of where the groom was natural of(Thamar?...or the parish ..S.Maria 
>>> dos...?and from the bride also the name of the the parish (Alcacam?). 
>>> Another word that I couldn't make it was the middle name of the mother of 
>>> the groom!(Ribeiro?) the link is 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1677-1708/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1677-1708_item1/P93.htmle
>>>  
>>> .Thanks .Carlos A. O. Cardoso, from Killingworth,CT
>>>
>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help with reading record Ponta Delgada , I. S. Miguel

2014-06-06 Thread mances

I read:

"natural da vila de Tomar, filho de Francisco da Fonseca de Almeida e de 
Gracia Ribeiro Tavares?, ambos moradores na dita vila, freguesia de S. 
Maria dos Olivais".

Maria da Fonseca Pereira, natural da cidade de Elvas, filha de João de 
Mesquita Pimentel e de Dona Maria Michaela, moradores na dita cidade, 
freguesia de Alcáçova.

Manoel

Em sexta-feira, 6 de junho de 2014 05h24min17s UTC-3, João Ventura escreveu:
>
> I believe he's "natural da vila de Tomar, filho de Francisco de Fonseca de 
> Almeida e Agatha(?).., ambos moradores na dita vila, freguesia de S. Maria 
> dos Olivais".
>
> The books from that parish will eventually be here: 
> http://tombo.pt/en/f/tmr11 , once the Arquive of Santarém places them 
> online.
>
> João Ventura
> http://tombo.pt/en
>
> On Thursday, 5 June 2014 17:45:59 UTC+2, Carlos Cardoso wrote:
>>
>> Hi John. I thought about that , but not being familiar with the names of 
>> the "freguesias" from the XVII cent. in Portugal I couldn't say for sure. I 
>> got the link again and tested , is working .
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1677-1708/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1677-1708_item1/P93.html
>>  
>> .Try again ,please.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:04carlos:48 PM UTC-4, Carlos Cardoso wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, I'm trying to read this record from the church of S. Sebastian (main 
>>> church) of the town of Ponta Delgada, I. S. Miguel looking for my "Fonseca 
>>> de Miranda , Oliveira Velho, Medeiros) from 1770 and earlier. Any help with 
>>> this record will be appreciated. the record is about the marriage of Mel. 
>>> da Fonseca Couceiro  and Maria da Fonseca Pereira. I couldn't make up the 
>>> name of where the groom was natural of(Thamar?...or the parish ..S.Maria 
>>> dos...?and from the bride also the name of the the parish (Alcacam?). 
>>> Another word that I couldn't make it was the middle name of the mother of 
>>> the groom!(Ribeiro?) the link is 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1677-1708/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1677-1708_item1/P93.htmle
>>>  
>>> .Thanks .Carlos A. O. Cardoso, from Killingworth,CT
>>>
>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help with reading record Ponta Delgada , I. S. Miguel

2014-06-06 Thread João Ventura

I believe he's "natural da vila de Tomar, filho de Francisco de Fonseca de 
Almeida e Agatha(?).., ambos moradores na dita vila, freguesia de S. Maria 
dos Olivais".

The books from that parish will eventually be 
here: http://tombo.pt/en/f/tmr11 , once the Arquive of Santarém places them 
online.

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Thursday, 5 June 2014 17:45:59 UTC+2, Carlos Cardoso wrote:
>
> Hi John. I thought about that , but not being familiar with the names of 
> the "freguesias" from the XVII cent. in Portugal I couldn't say for sure. I 
> got the link again and tested , is working .
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1677-1708/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1677-1708_item1/P93.html
>  
> .Try again ,please.
>
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:04carlos:48 PM UTC-4, Carlos Cardoso wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I'm trying to read this record from the church of S. Sebastian (main 
>> church) of the town of Ponta Delgada, I. S. Miguel looking for my "Fonseca 
>> de Miranda , Oliveira Velho, Medeiros) from 1770 and earlier. Any help with 
>> this record will be appreciated. the record is about the marriage of Mel. 
>> da Fonseca Couceiro  and Maria da Fonseca Pereira. I couldn't make up the 
>> name of where the groom was natural of(Thamar?...or the parish ..S.Maria 
>> dos...?and from the bride also the name of the the parish (Alcacam?). 
>> Another word that I couldn't make it was the middle name of the mother of 
>> the groom!(Ribeiro?) the link is 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1677-1708/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1677-1708_item1/P93.htmle
>>  
>> .Thanks .Carlos A. O. Cardoso, from Killingworth,CT
>>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help with reading record Ponta Delgada , I. S. Miguel

2014-06-05 Thread Carlos Cardoso

Hi John. I thought about that , but not being familiar with the names of 
the "freguesias" from the XVII cent. in Portugal I couldn't say for sure. I 
got the link again and tested , is working 
.http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1677-1708/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1677-1708_item1/P93.html
 
.Try again ,please.

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:04carlos:48 PM UTC-4, Carlos Cardoso wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm trying to read this record from the church of S. Sebastian (main 
> church) of the town of Ponta Delgada, I. S. Miguel looking for my "Fonseca 
> de Miranda , Oliveira Velho, Medeiros) from 1770 and earlier. Any help with 
> this record will be appreciated. the record is about the marriage of Mel. 
> da Fonseca Couceiro  and Maria da Fonseca Pereira. I couldn't make up the 
> name of where the groom was natural of(Thamar?...or the parish ..S.Maria 
> dos...?and from the bride also the name of the the parish (Alcacam?). 
> Another word that I couldn't make it was the middle name of the mother of 
> the groom!(Ribeiro?) the link is 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1677-1708/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1677-1708_item1/P93.htmle
>  
> .Thanks .Carlos A. O. Cardoso, from Killingworth,CT
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

2014-04-09 Thread Karen Hillman

Thanks to all of you for the information on baptism.  Very interesting 
discussion.  It will go in my reference file.  

 

Karen Silva Hillman

Researching the islands of Pico, São Jorge & Terceira

Silva, Machado, Sousa, Gomes, Luis

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:57 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

 

Thanks Dano.

 

I will try to have a priest telling me what could be the meaning of that margin 
note. Then I will let everybody know about :)

 

 

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo

(  <http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel> http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )

 

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

2014-04-09 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel

Margaret, 

 

You are correct everyone that is baptized in the Catholic church is
exorcised as part of the Sacrament of Baptism. In a baptism conducted at
home (under danger of death) it is done by a lay person (grandmother,
midwife etc. and as such they cannot perform the exorcism part of the
ceremony. It would make sense that later when the baby is brought to the
church, that is performed by the priest and the entry made in the church
register.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:48 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

 

Hi,

 

Every child or adult that is baptized is also exorcised.  Before the baptism
there is the exorcism. Any baptized Catholic has been exorcised. All rushed
baptisms performed in the homes were later on completed in the church by the
priest's performing the exorcism and applying the holy oils.  

 

Exorcism is a symbolic cleansing by verbal affirmation of acceptance of
faith and renunciation of all that is not of G-d spoken by the Godparents
and all others attending on behalf of the child and in response to the
Priest's questions. 

 

The action of exorcism is not tied in to an era.  It is part of each baptism
of the Catholic church. First the cleansing, 2nd the anointment with the
oils, and third the name giving and dipping of water.  

 

Hope this helps.

 

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

I don't know how helpful this Wikipedia article is on exorcism in the
Catholic Church: http://goo.gl/Tmpvs0

I wonder if the baby was epileptic and having a seizure?  Or born with a
deformity that was considered demonic?  Maybe the ears of the baby were kind
of pointed and the eyebrows somewhat arched?  But I'm thinking of *modern*
illustrations of Satan.  Don't know what they thought Satan looked like in
the very early 1700s.


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

2014-04-09 Thread Margaret Vicente

Dano, you're welcome!




On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Dano  wrote:

> Hi Margaret, that is an excellent explanation. As for my earlier remarks,
> this was the first time that I encountered the mention of exorcism in what
> should have a baptism, and I was taken aback. We don't know what the
> condition of the child was, but, it must have been grave, for the parents
> to take the day old child to the church to be baptized. Once again thanks
> for your explanation - it does correspond to what I was taught so many
> years ago...
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 10:47:35 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Every child or adult that is baptized is also exorcised.  Before the
>> baptism there is the exorcism. Any baptized Catholic has been exorcised.
>> All rushed baptisms performed in the homes were later on completed in the
>> church by the priest's performing the exorcism and applying the holy oils.
>>
>> Exorcism is a symbolic cleansing by verbal affirmation of acceptance of
>> faith and renunciation of all that is not of G-d spoken by the Godparents
>> and all others attending on behalf of the child and in response to the
>> Priest's questions.
>>
>> The action of exorcism is not tied in to an era.  It is part of each
>> baptism of the Catholic church. First the cleansing, 2nd the anointment
>> with the oils, and third the name giving and dipping of water.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I don't know how helpful this Wikipedia article is on exorcism in the
>>> Catholic Church: http://goo.gl/Tmpvs0
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if the baby was epileptic and having a seizure?  Or born with a
>>> deformity that was considered demonic?  Maybe the ears of the baby were
>>> kind of pointed and the eyebrows somewhat arched?  But I'm thinking of
>>> *modern* illustrations of Satan.  Don't know what they thought Satan looked
>>> like in the very early 1700s.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

2014-04-09 Thread Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Thanks Dano.

 

I will try to have a priest telling me what could be the meaning of that margin 
note. Then I will let everybody know about :)

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

2014-04-08 Thread Dano



Hi Margaret, that is an excellent explanation. As for my earlier remarks, 
this was the first time that I encountered the mention of exorcism in what 
should have a baptism, and I was taken aback. We don't know what the 
condition of the child was, but, it must have been grave, for the parents 
to take the day old child to the church to be baptized. Once again thanks 
for your explanation - it does correspond to what I was taught so many 
years ago... 

 
On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 10:47:35 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> Every child or adult that is baptized is also exorcised.  Before the 
> baptism there is the exorcism. Any baptized Catholic has been exorcised. 
> All rushed baptisms performed in the homes were later on completed in the 
> church by the priest's performing the exorcism and applying the holy oils.  
>  
> Exorcism is a symbolic cleansing by verbal affirmation of acceptance of 
> faith and renunciation of all that is not of G-d spoken by the Godparents 
> and all others attending on behalf of the child and in response to the 
> Priest's questions. 
>  
> The action of exorcism is not tied in to an era.  It is part of each 
> baptism of the Catholic church. First the cleansing, 2nd the anointment 
> with the oils, and third the name giving and dipping of water.  
>  
> Hope this helps.
>  
>  
>  
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Cheri Mello 
> > wrote:
>  
>
>> I don't know how helpful this Wikipedia article is on exorcism in the 
>> Catholic Church: http://goo.gl/Tmpvs0
>>  
>>  
>> I wonder if the baby was epileptic and having a seizure?  Or born with a 
>> deformity that was considered demonic?  Maybe the ears of the baby were 
>> kind of pointed and the eyebrows somewhat arched?  But I'm thinking of 
>> *modern* illustrations of Satan.  Don't know what they thought Satan looked 
>> like in the very early 1700s.
>>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

2014-04-08 Thread Dano

That is a pretty good article, Cheri, however, it is quite general, and 
doesn't deal with infants and baptism. The best explanation in this case 
that I've seen, is posted by Margaret, and does correspond w/ what I've 
been taught. I think your example of a baby that perhaps was ill w/ 
seizures or somewhat deformed is particularly on point, in that such 
illnesses and deformities were often attributed to the work of the devil. I 
believe that any parent who had a child that may have been weak, or in 
danger of dying, would seek out the help of G-d, since medical help wasn't 
a reality. Did I mention that this baptism was performed in the late 1600's?

On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:31:03 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I don't know how helpful this Wikipedia article is on exorcism in the 
> Catholic Church: http://goo.gl/Tmpvs0
>
> I wonder if the baby was epileptic and having a seizure?  Or born with a 
> deformity that was considered demonic?  Maybe the ears of the baby were 
> kind of pointed and the eyebrows somewhat arched?  But I'm thinking of 
> *modern* illustrations of Satan.  Don't know what they thought Satan looked 
> like in the very early 1700s.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

2014-04-08 Thread Margaret Vicente

Hi,

Every child or adult that is baptized is also exorcised.  Before the
baptism there is the exorcism. Any baptized Catholic has been exorcised.
All rushed baptisms performed in the homes were later on completed in the
church by the priest's performing the exorcism and applying the holy oils.

Exorcism is a symbolic cleansing by verbal affirmation of acceptance of
faith and renunciation of all that is not of G-d spoken by the Godparents
and all others attending on behalf of the child and in response to the
Priest's questions.

The action of exorcism is not tied in to an era.  It is part of each
baptism of the Catholic church. First the cleansing, 2nd the anointment
with the oils, and third the name giving and dipping of water.

Hope this helps.

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I don't know how helpful this Wikipedia article is on exorcism in the
> Catholic Church: http://goo.gl/Tmpvs0
>
> I wonder if the baby was epileptic and having a seizure?  Or born with a
> deformity that was considered demonic?  Maybe the ears of the baby were
> kind of pointed and the eyebrows somewhat arched?  But I'm thinking of
> *modern* illustrations of Satan.  Don't know what they thought Satan looked
> like in the very early 1700s.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

2014-04-08 Thread Cheri Mello

I don't know how helpful this Wikipedia article is on exorcism in the
Catholic Church: http://goo.gl/Tmpvs0

I wonder if the baby was epileptic and having a seizure?  Or born with a
deformity that was considered demonic?  Maybe the ears of the baby were
kind of pointed and the eyebrows somewhat arched?  But I'm thinking of
*modern* illustrations of Satan.  Don't know what they thought Satan looked
like in the very early 1700s.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

2014-04-08 Thread Dano

*I'm not sure - I stated such in my "attempted" translation of the record. 
I didn't make up the term - it was written in the narrative, and the 
margin, on the baptismal record. It was listed as an impediment (or not, as 
the margin was not all that informative). The use of that term both in the 
margin and the body of the document was troubling to me, considering that 
this was a baptism of a day old infant.*


*So, without going into the minutia, I believe it means is that baptism was 
considered to be a form of exorcism in church doctrine, and, may have been 
recorded as such, by some of the church's ministers, during a certain 
period, in some church records. This record was from a place that I haven't 
researched previously, and, therefore, I am not versed in the norms of that 
period, in that place, by those particular individuals. I, personally, have 
not ever seen the term used in this manner, but, my 9 years of parochial 
school education provided some insight as to how it may have 
been interpreted. Perhaps, you can enlighten us as to the true meaning of 
the document.*
On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:59:09 AM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:

> Hi Dano!
>
> Would you be so kind to explain what you mean by exorcism, please?
>
> Thank you,
>
> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>
> Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo
>
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>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *De:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
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> *Enviada:* terça-feira, 8 de Abril de 2014 05:35
> *Para:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
> *Assunto:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record
>
>  
>
> Karen, this is a tough read for a baptism. The margin appears to be at 
> least in part in Latin. It mentions an impediment and there was an 
> exorcism. The narrative starts as you say: Miguel son of Manuel Machado 
> Gomes and his wife Maria Vieira, natives, residents, and parishioners of 
> Ribeira Seca, parish of the Apostle Sao Tiago, Villa de Calheta, Sao George 
> island, born on the twenty-eighth day of the month of September in the year 
> one thousand seven hundred and nine, refuted in exorcisms in this parish 
> church by me, Antao Homem, Vicar. Afterwards baptized at home on the 
> thirty-first day of the current month and year. Godmother was Anna Machado, 
> wife of Amaro Lopes de Sousa, son of those exorcised, also Manuel Ares, son 
> of Antonio Vieira. All natives and residents of this place and parish. I 
> date and sign with the witnesses present Padre Gonsalo Pedro 
> Machado and Joam de Mattos da Sylveira, day month and year. [signed: Vicar 
> Antao Homen; Padre Gonsalo Pedro Machado; Joao Mattos da Sylveira]
>
> :
> On Monday, April 7, 2014 10:59:19 PM UTC-4, Karen Hillman wrote:
>
> Hello, if anyone could help read this baptismal record, I would really 
> appreciate it.
>
> child is Miguel, son of Manuel Machado Gomes and Maria Vieira.  Born 28 
> Sep 1709, baptized on the 30 day of the month, However I cannot make out 
> the rest including godparents.  There is something in the margin as well.
>
>  
>
> Record is on the right hand page, bottom
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P132.html
>
>  
>
> Thank you.
>
> Karen Silva Hillman, researching Ribeira Seca, São Jorge,
>
> Sousa, Machado, Gomes
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

2014-04-08 Thread Karen Hillman

Thanks for your help Dano.  I’ve become pretty good at deciphering “standard” 
baptismal records, but this was not “standard”.  I’m with Eliseu, what do you 
think exorcism means here?

Karen

 

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To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

 

Karen, this is a tough read for a baptism. The margin appears to be at least in 
part in Latin. It mentions an impediment and there was an exorcism. The 
narrative starts as you say: Miguel son of Manuel Machado Gomes and his wife 
Maria Vieira, natives, residents, and parishioners of Ribeira Seca, parish of 
the Apostle Sao Tiago, Villa de Calheta, Sao George island, born on the 
twenty-eighth day of the month of September in the year one thousand seven 
hundred and nine, refuted in exorcisms in this parish church by me, Antao 
Homem, Vicar. Afterwards baptized at home on the thirty-first day of the 
current month and year. Godmother was Anna Machado, wife of Amaro Lopes de 
Sousa, son of those exorcised, also Manuel Ares, son of Antonio Vieira. All 
natives and residents of this place and parish. I date and sign with the 
witnesses present Padre Gonsalo Pedro Machado and Joam de Mattos da Sylveira, 
day month and year. [signed: Vicar Antao Homen; Padre Gonsalo Pedro Machado; 
Joao Mattos da Sylveira]

:
On Monday, April 7, 2014 10:59:19 PM UTC-4, Karen Hillman wrote:

Hello, if anyone could help read this baptismal record, I would really 
appreciate it.

child is Miguel, son of Manuel Machado Gomes and Maria Vieira.  Born 28 Sep 
1709, baptized on the 30 day of the month, However I cannot make out the rest 
including godparents.  There is something in the margin as well.

 

Record is on the right hand page, bottom

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P132.html

 

Thank you.

Karen Silva Hillman, researching Ribeira Seca, São Jorge,

Sousa, Machado, Gomes

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

2014-04-08 Thread Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Hi Dano!

Would you be so kind to explain what you mean by exorcism, please?

Thank you,

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo

(  <http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel> http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )

 

 

 

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Enviada: terça-feira, 8 de Abril de 2014 05:35
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

 

Karen, this is a tough read for a baptism. The margin appears to be at least in 
part in Latin. It mentions an impediment and there was an exorcism. The 
narrative starts as you say: Miguel son of Manuel Machado Gomes and his wife 
Maria Vieira, natives, residents, and parishioners of Ribeira Seca, parish of 
the Apostle Sao Tiago, Villa de Calheta, Sao George island, born on the 
twenty-eighth day of the month of September in the year one thousand seven 
hundred and nine, refuted in exorcisms in this parish church by me, Antao 
Homem, Vicar. Afterwards baptized at home on the thirty-first day of the 
current month and year. Godmother was Anna Machado, wife of Amaro Lopes de 
Sousa, son of those exorcised, also Manuel Ares, son of Antonio Vieira. All 
natives and residents of this place and parish. I date and sign with the 
witnesses present Padre Gonsalo Pedro Machado and Joam de Mattos da Sylveira, 
day month and year. [signed: Vicar Antao Homen; Padre Gonsalo Pedro Machado; 
Joao Mattos da Sylveira]

:
On Monday, April 7, 2014 10:59:19 PM UTC-4, Karen Hillman wrote:

Hello, if anyone could help read this baptismal record, I would really 
appreciate it.

child is Miguel, son of Manuel Machado Gomes and Maria Vieira.  Born 28 Sep 
1709, baptized on the 30 day of the month, However I cannot make out the rest 
including godparents.  There is something in the margin as well.

 

Record is on the right hand page, bottom

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P132.html

 

Thank you.

Karen Silva Hillman, researching Ribeira Seca, São Jorge,

Sousa, Machado, Gomes

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

2014-04-07 Thread Dano

Karen, this is a tough read for a baptism. The margin appears to be at 
least in part in Latin. It mentions an impediment and there was an 
exorcism. The narrative starts as you say: Miguel son of Manuel Machado 
Gomes and his wife Maria Vieira, natives, residents, and parishioners of 
Ribeira Seca, parish of the Apostle Sao Tiago, Villa de Calheta, Sao George 
island, born on the twenty-eighth day of the month of September in the year 
one thousand seven hundred and nine, refuted in exorcisms in this parish 
church by me, Antao Homem, Vicar. Afterwards baptized at home on the 
thirty-first day of the current month and year. Godmother was Anna Machado, 
wife of Amaro Lopes de Sousa, son of those exorcised, also Manuel Ares, son 
of Antonio Vieira. All natives and residents of this place and parish. I 
date and sign with the witnesses present Padre Gonsalo Pedro 
Machado and Joam de Mattos da Sylveira, day month and year. [signed: Vicar 
Antao Homen; Padre Gonsalo Pedro Machado; Joao Mattos da Sylveira]
:
On Monday, April 7, 2014 10:59:19 PM UTC-4, Karen Hillman wrote:

> Hello, if anyone could help read this baptismal record, I would really 
> appreciate it.
> child is Miguel, son of Manuel Machado Gomes and Maria Vieira.  Born 28 
> Sep 1709, baptized on the 30 day of the month, However I cannot make out 
> the rest including godparents.  There is something in the margin as well.
>
> Record is on the right hand page, bottom
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P132.html
>
> Thank you.
> Karen Silva Hillman, researching Ribeira Seca, São Jorge,
> Sousa, Machado, Gomes
>

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