RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
Cheri; Thanks for the info. I will await the FTDNA sale and keep my fingers crossed. Thanks again, Sam -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
Hi Susan, I haven't checked everyone's Population Finder with the ethnicity percentages. I know that DNA studies are coming out of Portugal. I think that overall, the Portuguese population is about 20% Jewish according to those studies. My dad (who is half Portuguese) tested out something like 99.95% European. They gave no stat for the 0.05%. These are different studies that FTDNA is using for the Population Finder. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
Katherine, Do you mind if I ask which exact test you took? I am trying to determine if/where the jewish connection to the azores is but it would be on my father's side of the family and I understood that only a male from that side could take the test. Could I take a DNA test that would indicate Midlle Aastern DNA being a female ? On May 18, 6:07 am, Katherine kvjjmmbor...@msn.com wrote: Hi Cheri, I asked Bennett (FTDNA President for those reading who don't know who he is) about the Middle Eastern DNA and he replied that it means its Jewish DNA. So that would fit with the history of Sephardic Jews settling the Azores. My son, husband, and myself all have varying degrees of Middle Eastern DNA results. I also tested my father-in-law and he has two small segment matches to two men who ONLY have Continental Portuguese ancestry. Interesting... Kind regards, Katherine -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
Lori, I'm not Katherine and I'm not sure how closely she's following this thread. Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) has their Family Finder (autosomal DNA) test. This test is one way to get the percent testing for the ethnicity. It is under beta testing and states so. They have been able to sample only a few populations from each continent, so it's no where near comprehensive yet. Here are the reference populations that they are currently comparing the DNA against. Note: They haven't sampled the Portuguese population yet. http://goo.gl/8fXp2 Here is the whole list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) about the Population Finder (the ethnicity portion of the Family Finder test): http://goo.gl/7yFl0 To be clear, this test will NOT tell you where the Jewish connection is. It will only tell you that it appears that there was some Middle Eastern in there. I'd have to check to see how many generations ago. If your Jewish ancestor was 10 generations ago and you have that on paper, it very well may NOT show up in this DNA test, as too much time has passed and the DNA became too diluted with each generation. Because this is an autosomal DNA test (a mixture of your 22 pairs of your autosomal chromosomes (your 23rd pair is the sex chromosomes - making you male or female), either men or women can take this type of DNA test. Now, if you KNOW that a certain ancestor was Jewish and you found the son of the son of the son of that male descendant, you could have his Y chromosome tested via one of the Y DNA tests. That's looking at the sex chromosome only which does NOT recombine (or shuffle). So you would know exactly where that DNA is coming from. Cheri Mello Family Tree DNA Admin Azores DNA -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
Hi Sam, FTDNA's Family Finder test gives the ethnicity percentages and showed Shirley as part Middle Eastern. Since Shirley was the DNA participant, it shows that she's part Middle Eastern. In order for her to find out if it was her father's or mother's line, she would have to test each one of them if they were alive, or have a paper trail to the Sephardic line. Cheri On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: Oh shoot, I didn't read Cheri's email carefully enough and now I really want to know what the dna test was that showed the Middle Eastern dna and did it indicate if it was from the mothers or fathers line?? Thanks and apologies, Sam (back in CA) -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
Hi Mike G, I don't know if it's your page or an FTDNA problem, but it won't let me match you to the entire database. I'll report it to FTDNA tomorrow, when they are open. Anyways, you tested your Y-DNA. This is your strict paternal line: your father's father's father's line, all men all the way back. Family Finder is a new test (been out a year now). It doesn't look at your Y-DNA. It looks at the other 22 pairs of chromosomes. I waited about 6 months to see how it worked. That's why nothing's been said until recently. Your Y-DNA is a straight shot. You know EXACTLY where that DNA came from - your father's father's father's father. FamilyFinder is a mixture (card shuffle) of your 22 autosomes. You can't tell exactly where the match is coming from. It's a puzzle that you have to work. So no, you didn't take the wrong test. We know where your Y-chromosome came from (your dad). I think that it's still the best DNA test on the marker because the line can be directly traced. However, with so many families intermarrying in the Azores, I think that we'll start to make matches more quickly with the Family Finder test - if one has the patience to figure it out. Cheri On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:35 AM, mikeg mgenie...@gmail.com wrote: Cheri, et. al, I'm fascinated by the Azores DNA project but puzzled too. A few years back, I tested, and then followed up again with a broader count. There was a flurry of early results, then nothing. No report. Nothing. No changes, same old list of possible matches. Maybe I took the wrong tests because your results are intriguing, and curious. Thanks, Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
My PAF program says Susan Ken are 5th cousins 1 removed. I know that Susan and I are 6th cousins straight down the line from Jose Mathias and Maria de Sao Joao and Ken's is from the same couple. Rosemarie Susan, Your brother's DNA (Family Finder test) is now in. It shows your brother as a 4th to distant cousin with Rosemarie Capodicci's 1st cousin. What does your genealogy program say the relationship is between you or your brother and Rosemarie's first cousin? Cheri On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Susan Vargas Murphy uberlin...@aol.comwrote: I was excited to see that Rosemarie did this as it will be very interesting to see if it shows if we are related (which we know we are) once mine comes in! Susan Vargas Murphy -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
Hi Cheri, I asked Bennett (FTDNA President for those reading who don't know who he is) about the Middle Eastern DNA and he replied that it means its Jewish DNA. So that would fit with the history of Sephardic Jews settling the Azores. My son, husband, and myself all have varying degrees of Middle Eastern DNA results. I also tested my father-in-law and he has two small segment matches to two men who ONLY have Continental Portuguese ancestry. Interesting... Kind regards, Katherine -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
I was excited to see that Rosemarie did this as it will be very interesting to see if it shows if we are related (which we know we are) once mine comes in! Susan Vargas Murphy On May 17, 9:34 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: A few people ordered the Family Finder (autosomal DNA) test from Family Tree DNA when it was on sale last time. Those results are trickling in. Family Finder is a mixture (card shuffle) of all your lines. They definitely go back to your 2 greats. It slowly begins to fall apart going further back in time. Less genetic material exists. However, with so much intermarriage, us Azoreans have more of a chance of preserving the genetic material from some of our intermarried lines. To preserve more genetic material, I tested my dad. He's 50% Portuguese and I'm only 25%. So my dad should get more matches than I would. Shirley Allegre tested at the last sale too. Her results just came in. Shirley and my dad are: 4th cousins once removed 5th cousins 6th cousins 6th cousins once removed 8th cousins 9th cousins once removed And probably other things that I still have to enter into my computer. Family Finder says that Shirley and my dad are probably 2nd to 4th cousins, and most likely 3rd cousins. I'm guessing that the genetic material from the 4th cousin and 5th cousin level still exists in both of them, and maybe some at the 6th cousin level. Because of the multiple lines, the prediction is a little closer than what the proven paper trail shows. They share a total of 105.71 cM. cM is the abbreviation of centoMorgans. It's a unit of measure, like inches or centimeters, but this is a microscopic unit of measure. The longest block that Shirley and my dad share is 16.76 cM. It's on chromosome 2. What's interesting is that my dad also had a match with Marge Perry's brother. It was more distant, like 5th cousins and beyond. I emailed Marge and we couldn't figure it out. Shirley also matches Marge's brother too. Since Shirley and I know where we match, Marge may be matching on those lines too. One of those lines is a brick wall. The marriage pages are missing. Could it be there? We'll have to do some sleuthing to figure it out. Rosemarie Cappodicci's cousin's Family Finder came in too. Rosemarie is going to be contacting her matches. Al Rose, a member of this genealogy lgroup, is listed as a 5th to distant cousin. Rosemarie's cousin is also matching with some of Vivian Christy's relatives. Shirley also matches some of Vivian's relatives. My dad does not match Vivian. So we know to eliminate Shirley and my dad's common lines and look at the other ones to match Vivian. This is like a big puzzle. Shirley's Population Finder results came back at 88.23% European (Western European) with a margin of error of +/- 0.02%. The rest? She's 11.77% (0.00% margin of error) Middle Eastern! This is in beta testing and they don't have a whole lot of populations sampled, but Shirley is 12% of something else. An amusing topic for her to talk about at her next family gathering! Family Tree DNA has held their Sizzling Summer Sale for the past couple of years during the latter half of June. They don't announce what they'll put on sale (although they always seem to have Y-DNA on sale - that's a man's father's father's father's line straight back. No wondering and figuring out how that DNA matches with someone else). Family Tree DNA will also be present at the Southern California Genealogy Jamboree the 2nd weekend in June. Again, I'll have to see what they are putting on sale when I show up that Friday. There will be Internet access so I'll check and post to the list. I think there are still 2 or 3 Family Finder tests at the lab waiting for results to come in. I'll post when then come in. Cheri Mello Azores DNA Project Family Tree DNA Administrator along with Rick Pimentel -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
Susan, I can hardly wait!! I had my cousin Ken Silva do the FamilyFinder Dna because he's related to me on both my Souza side and my Silveira de Azevedo's (the one I'm having a hard time with!!). It already shows some connections so I'm just so excited about the finds. Rosemarie I was excited to see that Rosemarie did this as it will be very interesting to see if it shows if we are related (which we know we are) once mine comes in! Susan Vargas Murphy On May 17, 9:34 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: A few people ordered the Family Finder (autosomal DNA) test from Family Tree DNA when it was on sale last time. Those results are trickling in. Family Finder is a mixture (card shuffle) of all your lines. They definitely go back to your 2 greats. It slowly begins to fall apart going further back in time. Less genetic material exists. However, with so much intermarriage, us Azoreans have more of a chance of preserving the genetic material from some of our intermarried lines. To preserve more genetic material, I tested my dad. He's 50% Portuguese and I'm only 25%. So my dad should get more matches than I would. Shirley Allegre tested at the last sale too. Her results just came in. Shirley and my dad are: 4th cousins once removed 5th cousins 6th cousins 6th cousins once removed 8th cousins 9th cousins once removed And probably other things that I still have to enter into my computer. Family Finder says that Shirley and my dad are probably 2nd to 4th cousins, and most likely 3rd cousins. I'm guessing that the genetic material from the 4th cousin and 5th cousin level still exists in both of them, and maybe some at the 6th cousin level. Because of the multiple lines, the prediction is a little closer than what the proven paper trail shows. They share a total of 105.71 cM. cM is the abbreviation of centoMorgans. It's a unit of measure, like inches or centimeters, but this is a microscopic unit of measure. The longest block that Shirley and my dad share is 16.76 cM. It's on chromosome 2. What's interesting is that my dad also had a match with Marge Perry's brother. It was more distant, like 5th cousins and beyond. I emailed Marge and we couldn't figure it out. Shirley also matches Marge's brother too. Since Shirley and I know where we match, Marge may be matching on those lines too. One of those lines is a brick wall. The marriage pages are missing. Could it be there? We'll have to do some sleuthing to figure it out. Rosemarie Cappodicci's cousin's Family Finder came in too. Rosemarie is going to be contacting her matches. Al Rose, a member of this genealogy lgroup, is listed as a 5th to distant cousin. Rosemarie's cousin is also matching with some of Vivian Christy's relatives. Shirley also matches some of Vivian's relatives. My dad does not match Vivian. So we know to eliminate Shirley and my dad's common lines and look at the other ones to match Vivian. This is like a big puzzle. Shirley's Population Finder results came back at 88.23% European (Western European) with a margin of error of +/- 0.02%. The rest? She's 11.77% (0.00% margin of error) Middle Eastern! This is in beta testing and they don't have a whole lot of populations sampled, but Shirley is 12% of something else. An amusing topic for her to talk about at her next family gathering! Family Tree DNA has held their Sizzling Summer Sale for the past couple of years during the latter half of June. They don't announce what they'll put on sale (although they always seem to have Y-DNA on sale - that's a man's father's father's father's line straight back. No wondering and figuring out how that DNA matches with someone else). Family Tree DNA will also be present at the Southern California Genealogy Jamboree the 2nd weekend in June. Again, I'll have to see what they are putting on sale when I show up that Friday. There will be Internet access so I'll check and post to the list. I think there are still 2 or 3 Family Finder tests at the lab waiting for results to come in. I'll post when then come in. Cheri Mello Azores DNA Project Family Tree DNA Administrator along with Rick Pimentel -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
Cheri, et. al, I'm fascinated by the Azores DNA project but puzzled too. A few years back, I tested, and then followed up again with a broader count. There was a flurry of early results, then nothing. No report. Nothing. No changes, same old list of possible matches. Maybe I took the wrong tests because your results are intriguing, and curious. Thanks, Mike On May 18, 10:44 am, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: Oh shoot, I didn't read Cheri's email carefully enough and now I really want to know what the dna test was that showed the Middle Eastern dna and did it indicate if it was from the mothers or fathers line?? Thanks and apologies, Sam (back in CA) -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 6:08 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in Hi Cheri, I asked Bennett (FTDNA President for those reading who don't know who he is) about the Middle Eastern DNA and he replied that it means its Jewish DNA. So that would fit with the history of Sephardic Jews settling the Azores. My son, husband, and myself all have varying degrees of Middle Eastern DNA results. I also tested my father-in-law and he has two small segment matches to two men who ONLY have Continental Portuguese ancestry. Interesting... Kind regards, Katherine -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
The FTDNA site is down for maintenance right now. Susan Vargas Murphy's person (cousin?) also came in. I'll answer everything tomorrow. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
Maybe I should click all the buttons on my genealogy program before typing away. Yes, my dad and Shirley are 4th, 5th, 6th, etc. cousins. But when I click the progenitors button, it shows me more than the 6 ways I wrote. My dad and I are cousins to Shirley Allegre 11 different ways. My dad and Shirley are: 4th cousins once removed (one couple) 5th cousins (2 different couples for this connection) 6th cousins (3 different couples for this connection) 6th cousins once removed (one couple) 8th cousins (3 different couples) 9th cousins once removed (one couple) Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
