Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: an introduction and a thank you

2014-10-11 Thread linda
I thought I had replied to this post, but my internet connection often 
fails for a few seconds and it may not have gone through.

First, I apologize that that my list of ancestors was posted to the board 
rather than sent privately to Joao; I replied from email and didn't notice 
that the reply address had defaulted to the entire Azores Genealogy group.  
I'm slowly getting the hang of this message board-- thanks for bearing with 
me.

Yes, *Tenente* Ignacio Vicente de Mendonca.  His first wife, Maria de 
Jesus, had an unusual and very poignant obit.  I can post a link and my 
tentative transcription if there's interest.  His second wife, also Maria 
de Jesus, was my ancestor.  Over 40 years, he fathered about 15 children 
divided almost evenly between both wives.  

Many thanks for the DNA info.  It's now on my to-do list.

Linda

On Thursday, October 9, 2014 10:07:41 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Joao CV,
> I think this is the one we had the Tenente discussion with off list:
>
> Caetano Pimentel de Mendonca
>
>- born 1770, roughly estimating from a grandchild's baptismal record
>- married to Maria dos Santos
>- daughter = Maria de Jesus dos Santos, the second wife of Ignacio 
>Vicente de Mendonca. <
> Linda M,
>
> You should consider getting your DNA tested.  The Azores DNA project is 
> with Family Tree DNA.  They will have a sale at the end of the year, in 
> December.  The Family Finder test is regularly $99 + $10 shipping (USD).  
> It has gone on sale for $79 in past sales.  Don't know what they will do 
> with it for the Holiday Sale at the end of the year.  You'll match the 
> Duarte sisters (not on this list), Bob Luis and the people he's tested, and 
> Eric Edgar.  There will be other Flores people too that you will match.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada 
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: an introduction and a thank you

2014-10-09 Thread Cheri Mello
Joao CV,
I think this is the one we had the Tenente discussion with off list:

Caetano Pimentel de Mendonca

   - born 1770, roughly estimating from a grandchild's baptismal record
   - married to Maria dos Santos
   - daughter = Maria de Jesus dos Santos, the second wife of Ignacio
   Vicente de Mendonca. 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: an introduction and a thank you

2014-10-09 Thread linda meneses
Hi João,

Thanks so much for your note and the link to your relations.  It's a
pleasure to make your (virtual) acquaintance.  I think that it's highly
likely that we share a common ancestor just beyond the available
documentation.

Here are my earliest Cedros ancestors; they all share surnames with yours:

Manoel Pimentel Nunes

   - born c. 1760, roughly estimating from a grandchild's baptismal record
   - Married to Maria da Trindade
   - daughter = Catharina Pimentel (no record; I would check her madrinha
   if I could)

Alexandre Rodrigues

   - born c. 1745, calculated from his obit
   - died 12 Dec 1815
   - married to Marianna de Jesus

Manoel Ignacio da Silveira

   - born c. 1770, assuming he was 30 when a daughter was born and the age
   on her obit was correct
   - married to Maria Ursula

Capitão João Ignacio da Mendonca

   - born c. 1755, assuming he was in his 30's when his son Ignacio was
   born and the age on Ignacio's obit was correct
   - married to Maria Roza
   - son = Ten. Ignacio Vicente de Mendonca

Caetano Pimentel de Mendonca

   - born 1770, roughly estimating from a grandchild's baptismal record
   - married to Maria dos Santos
   - daughter = Maria de Jesus dos Santos, the second wife of Ignacio
   Vicente de Mendonca


I would guess that we share a common Mendonca ancestor and perhaps one or
more of the others as well.

I noticed a strong trend in my family's Cedros records for the men to marry
when in their 30's and to marry women about 10 to 15 years younger than
themselves.  So, when estimating birth dates in Cedros, I used that as a
general assumption.
many thanks again for your note,

Linda

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: an introduction and a thank you

2014-10-09 Thread João Ventura
Hi Linda,

In the spirit of sharing, feel free to browse the people I have from Cedros 
in my 
database: 
http://venturas.org/familytree/placelist.php?parent%5B%5D=Portugal&parent%5B%5D=A%C3%A7ores&parent%5B%5D=Flores&parent%5B%5D=Santa%20Cruz%20das%20Flores&parent%5B%5D=Cedros&ged=venturas

I've been adding people that are related to my wife's family in some 
manner, so it's possible that depending on the individual they may or not 
tie up into my wife's ancestors. If they do, I'll probably have researched 
all I can about that person.

João C. Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Wednesday, 8 October 2014 02:10:57 UTC+2, linda wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> My name is Linda, and all my antecedents are from the Azores.  I've always 
> had an interest in my family history, and I had thought that "someday" it 
> would be fun to tackle the project of expanding my family tree.  About two 
> months ago while I was idly googling this and that, I discovered that the 
> Islands' parish records are now online.  I found my grandparents' baptismal 
> records, and that was it-- I was completely hooked on chasing down the rest 
> of the family as far back as I can.
>
> It's been great fun.  I read a little Portuguese, enjoy history and 
> puzzles, and have a research background, so the learning curve hasn't been 
> too bad-- though I'm certainly finding that deciphering the handwriting on 
> some records can be challenging to say the least!
>
> I knew that my family migrated to California from Terceira (Villa de Praia 
> and Santa Barbara) and Flores (Santa Cruz and Cedros mainly), but I was 
> surprised to discover that Santa Maria figures prominently in my family 
> history too.  It looks like I also have a connection to Faial though I 
> haven't pursued it yet.  
>
> So far, I've done a little of the Villa de Praia line (back to about 1800) 
> and most of the Cedros line (though with gaps).  
>
> At the moment, I'm concentrating on Santa Maria and have got back to circa 
> 1710, mostly via the marriage records.  I'm currently working on the 
> records from the Matriz de NS de Assuncao, and then will tackle Sao Pedro 
> and Santo Espirito.   So far, this branch of my family is packed full of 
> Resendes, with a few Curvelos, an Almada, a Cabral and a couple of 
> Figueiredos and Souzas.
>
> Finally, a huge thank you to everyone in this group.  I've been reading 
> old posts, and the information they contain has been extremely helpful.  I 
> really wish I'd known about the Flores marriage book before trying to slog 
> through the Cedros records (agh!), but it will certainly be useful when I 
> return to working on the relations from that island.  I've also read the 
> posts on software recommendations, and I appreciate all the various points 
> that were suggested for consideration.   At the moment, I'm working with 
> paper and pencil, but I definitely see the need for a database.  Trying out 
> a couple of the programs is one of my next priorities.  
>
> I expect that I will be asking for help with decipherment and nuance.  As 
> my skills improve, I hope I'll be able to contribute back to the group too,
>  
> for now, back to reading baptisms,
>
> Linda
>
>

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