Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[Cheri Mello]

Autosomal DNA (AncestryDNA, My Heritage, and 23 and Me) transfer to FTDNA
for free and the matching is free. The tools are $19 USD.

Y-DNA does not transfer. FTDNA is the only company that now offers Y-DNA
testing. If someone tested their Y at another company a long time ago, yes,
there is a conversion cost and enough markers have to be purchase to bring
it up to the current standard.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:36 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Have you uploaded your DNA to FTDNA.com?  It is free.   I don’t know
> whether it is free to get the y-dna results, also; but I would try it.
> Your Haplogroup may be a big help.   My husband’s haplogroup is apparently
> the most common in the world, making it less productive with matches, I
> believe.
>
> I am beginning to search Souza on Sao Miguel because I have discovered
> that Luiz Souza’s son began using the surname LUIZ on his wedding records
> [his father was deceased] in the mid 1800s.   I will keep you in mind.
>
> I am interested in knowing if you are only checking those who immigrated
> to the East Coast.  I ask, because DNA matches have shown me that an uncle
> most likely went to Trinidad, Barbados near the same time my husbands
> grandfather brought his family to Hawaii in 1898.
>
> I hope you’re feeling better.
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>
> (jessdebmendonca at gmail.com)
>
> Researching:
>
> 1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and
> PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii,
> Hawaii
>
>
> 2. MENDONCA and AGUIAR surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other
> places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi, Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland, San Leandro, and
> San Jose in California
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steve Stevens 
> wrote:
>
>> I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and
>> taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming
>> from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents
>> changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great
>> grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got
>> there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he
>> died. So I never had a chance to be "right."
>>
>> The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the
>> family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The
>> Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention
>> right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry
>> World and have found that to be a waste for me.
>>
>> Searching the Passport site you provided, I looked through 1884 and 1885
>> as this seems to be the most often recorded years for his immigration and
>> found some that caught my eye, but need translation if you will:
>>
>> p.8 #55
>> p.20 #181, 182
>> p.52 #152
>> p.53 #158
>> p.59 #223
>> p.75 #14
>> p.101 #266
>> p.102 #273
>> p.104 #285
>>
>> Working my way through the whole book. Too bad someone didn't index this.
>> I would if I could read it better.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 4:18:05 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> Sorry, I misread then. In the Portuguese based records, you are looking
>>> for parents named João de Souza and Maria da Silva, but I doubt she's
>>> listed that way. She'll be a Maria Religious Middle Name.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:15 PM Steve Stevens  wrote:
>>>
 Cheri,

 Thanks again. His parents were John Soza and Mary Silva. I will search
 the site you referenced, thanks.

 On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 2:19:06 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Thanks for the timeline. That helps a lot. These are all records
> you've done from online searches? Not everything is online, especially the
> naturalizations. Currently, it's around $65 to do a search (and no
> guarantee they'll find the right Manuel). The fees are slated to go to a
> few HUNDRED for just a search. $300 or so.
>
> Even though your Manuel did not personally provide the information for
> the obituary, I'd use that. The person telling his life story probably got
> the island right. But to search for Manuel de Souzas leaving Terceira
> between 1885-1887 will turn up a lot. You said his parents were Joao Souza
> and Maria Reis. It will be tedious, but you can go page by page, looking
> for a Manuel de Souza born to a Joao de Souza and Maria Reis:
>
> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Steve,

Have you uploaded your DNA to FTDNA.com?  It is free.   I don’t know
whether it is free to get the y-dna results, also; but I would try it.
Your Haplogroup may be a big help.   My husband’s haplogroup is apparently
the most common in the world, making it less productive with matches, I
believe.

I am beginning to search Souza on Sao Miguel because I have discovered that
Luiz Souza’s son began using the surname LUIZ on his wedding records [his
father was deceased] in the mid 1800s.   I will keep you in mind.

I am interested in knowing if you are only checking those who immigrated to
the East Coast.  I ask, because DNA matches have shown me that an uncle
most likely went to Trinidad, Barbados near the same time my husbands
grandfather brought his family to Hawaii in 1898.

I hope you’re feeling better.

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca

(jessdebmendonca at gmail.com)

Researching:

1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and
PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii,
Hawaii


2. MENDONCA and AGUIAR surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other
places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi, Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland, San Leandro, and
San Jose in California





On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steve Stevens 
wrote:

> I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and
> taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming
> from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents
> changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great
> grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got
> there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he
> died. So I never had a chance to be "right."
>
> The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the
> family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The
> Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention
> right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry
> World and have found that to be a waste for me.
>
> Searching the Passport site you provided, I looked through 1884 and 1885
> as this seems to be the most often recorded years for his immigration and
> found some that caught my eye, but need translation if you will:
>
> p.8 #55
> p.20 #181, 182
> p.52 #152
> p.53 #158
> p.59 #223
> p.75 #14
> p.101 #266
> p.102 #273
> p.104 #285
>
> Working my way through the whole book. Too bad someone didn't index this.
> I would if I could read it better.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 4:18:05 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> Sorry, I misread then. In the Portuguese based records, you are looking
>> for parents named João de Souza and Maria da Silva, but I doubt she's
>> listed that way. She'll be a Maria Religious Middle Name.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:15 PM Steve Stevens  wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri,
>>>
>>> Thanks again. His parents were John Soza and Mary Silva. I will search
>>> the site you referenced, thanks.
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 2:19:06 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Hi Steve,

 Thanks for the timeline. That helps a lot. These are all records you've
 done from online searches? Not everything is online, especially the
 naturalizations. Currently, it's around $65 to do a search (and no
 guarantee they'll find the right Manuel). The fees are slated to go to a
 few HUNDRED for just a search. $300 or so.

 Even though your Manuel did not personally provide the information for
 the obituary, I'd use that. The person telling his life story probably got
 the island right. But to search for Manuel de Souzas leaving Terceira
 between 1885-1887 will turn up a lot. You said his parents were Joao Souza
 and Maria Reis. It will be tedious, but you can go page by page, looking
 for a Manuel de Souza born to a Joao de Souza and Maria Reis:

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890_item1/index.html

 However, for that time period, I don't think his mom will be listed as
 Maria Reis. She'll be Maria Religious Name. She was probably a daughter of
 a Reis and that information is not listed in the passaportes.

 Do you have Manuel's siblings' information? That might turn up clues.
 Because he's a Manuel de Souza though, DNA is probably going to be your
 best bet.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


 On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:29 AM Steve Stevens 
 wrote:

> Yeah I'm sure A Manuel Sousa entered 2 Dec 1887 on Ship Bark Sarah
> 19/1 Male 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[linda]

Hi Debbie,

You're very welcome :)

I'll keep my fingers crossed for your search today! 

best of luck,

Linda

On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 9:34:13 AM UTC-8, Jesse Mendonca wrote:
>
> Linda,
>
> This is so helpful for all of us.Thank you for the explanation and the 
> examples. I am going to try the João Joaquim Mendonca passports to 
> Brazil today, with your helpful advice.  Wish me luck!
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>
> (jessdebmendonca at gmail.com) 
>
> *Researching:*
>
> *1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and 
> PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii, 
> Hawaii*
>
>
> *2. Mendonca and Aguiar Surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other 
> places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi. Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland and San Leandro, 
> California*
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 12:07 PM linda > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> I'll help you learn to read the passport records.   The data and 
>> vocabulary are limited; all it just takes is a little practice.
>>
>> ***
>> Reading the Passport Lists:
>>
>> Headings at the top of the page are
>>
>> Passport Number;Date (Month, Day);  Name of Bearer;   Destination
>>
>> The  information for each passport holder usually includes name, marital 
>> status, occupation, birth location, and age.  It may also include 
>> additional people traveling with in the care of the main passport holder.  
>> These may be dependent children, elderly parents; minor siblings or wives.
>>
>> The passports seem mostly grouped by departing ship-- groups of passport 
>> holders all going to the same location.  In addition to place names, you 
>> will also see ditto marks such as
>>
>> "
>> or 
>>
>> ~ " ~ 
>>
>> or 
>>
>> "Idem" which is Latin for "the same".   
>>
>> It seems to me that US passengers sometimes state their final 
>> destination, such as California, or sometimes state their port of 
>> disembarkation, such as Boston.  So, I like to check all  the names on any 
>> US destination page, just in case.
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> I believe you're looking for an immigrant to the US, so my strategy would 
>> be to first scan the destinations looking for US locations.   
>>
>> Passengers on [web] pages 8, 20, 52, 53, 59, 75, 102, 104 passengers are 
>> all going to Brasil-- mostly Rio de Janeiro.
>>
>> Passengers on [web] page 101 are a mixed lot. They are mostly going to 
>> Brazil; some are going directly, but some are going indirectly via Lisbon; 
>> passport number 259 is going to the US by way of Faial ["Estados Unidos da 
>> America pela ilha da Fayal"].  
>>
>> Let's look at a couple of the entries more closely.  The information 
>> generally follows a standard format.
>>
>> page 101 #266:
>>
>> Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
>> de 43 annos, casado, proprieta-
>> rio, natural de freguesia de S.
>> Sebastiao, d'esta ilha Terceira 
>>
>> Translation:
>>
>> Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
>> 43 years [old], property owner
>> native of the village of S[ao]
>> Sebastiao, of this island of Terceira
>>
>> This Manuel de Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro [it says "Idem" beneath 
>> "Rio de Janeiro" in the destination column], and he's too old to be your 
>> Manuel.
>>
>>
>> Page 8 #55:
>>  
>> Manoel de Sousa Bor-
>> ges, casado, proprietario, 
>> natural da freguesia das
>> L?, d'esta ilha, de
>> 71 annos.
>>
>> Manoel de Sousa Borges,
>> married, property owner
>> native of the village of 
>> L?,  of this island,
>> 71 years [old].
>>
>> This Manuel Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro, and he's 71, so he's not 
>> your Manuel either.
>>
>> You did great in identifying a list of potential Manuel de Sousas, and 
>> you'll be able to go through the pages more quickly by scanning for US 
>> destinations, then narrowing the candidates down to those who are closer in 
>> age to your target Manuel de Sousa.
>>
>> If you post a few more possible candidates, I'll be happy to have a look 
>> at them and help you to narrow the list.
>>
>> best of luck in your research,
>>
>> Linda
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 8:51:02 AM UTC-8, Steve Stevens wrote:
>>>
>>> I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and 
>>> taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming 
>>> from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents 
>>> changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great 
>>> grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got 
>>> there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he 
>>> died. So I never had a chance to be "right."
>>>
>>> The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the 
>>> family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The 
>>> Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention 
>>> right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry 
>>> World and have found that to be a 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[linda]

 Hi Steve,

You're very welcome!  

To answer your question: The link Cheri provided goes directly to the 
records from Angra do Heroismo, Terceira.   Since the obit for your Manuel 
de Sousa stated that he was born in Terceira, that's the most likely place 
to find his passport record.  There are three sets of passport lists for 
the Azores, Angra (Terceira), Horta (Faial), and Ponta Delgada (Sao 
Miguel).  This link will allow you to select any of the three record sets:

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/passaportes/Default.aspx


Cheri's advice to get as much information out of the available US records 
is extremely valuable and can save a lot of time in the end.  If possible, 
I would follow up on the 1919 naturalization lead and make sure that it's 
exhausted.  Some of the actual records are viewable online.  I'd also look 
for Manuel's WWI draft record which would have asked for birthplace-- 
sometimes the info is specific to village, but often it's as general as 
"Portugal" :(   In addition to Ancestry.com, have you tried 
FamilySearch.org?  They have different strengths and I sometimes find 
FamilySearch to be more productive.

best of luck in your research,

Linda

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Linda,

This is so helpful for all of us.Thank you for the explanation and the
examples. I am going to try the João Joaquim Mendonca passports to
Brazil today, with your helpful advice.  Wish me luck!

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca

(jessdebmendonca at gmail.com)

*Researching:*

*1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and
PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii,
Hawaii*


*2. Mendonca and Aguiar Surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other
places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi. Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland and San Leandro,
California*



On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 12:07 PM linda  wrote:

>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I'll help you learn to read the passport records.   The data and
> vocabulary are limited; all it just takes is a little practice.
>
> ***
> Reading the Passport Lists:
>
> Headings at the top of the page are
>
> Passport Number;Date (Month, Day);  Name of Bearer;   Destination
>
> The  information for each passport holder usually includes name, marital
> status, occupation, birth location, and age.  It may also include
> additional people traveling with in the care of the main passport holder.
> These may be dependent children, elderly parents; minor siblings or wives.
>
> The passports seem mostly grouped by departing ship-- groups of passport
> holders all going to the same location.  In addition to place names, you
> will also see ditto marks such as
>
> "
> or
>
> ~ " ~
>
> or
>
> "Idem" which is Latin for "the same".
>
> It seems to me that US passengers sometimes state their final destination,
> such as California, or sometimes state their port of disembarkation, such
> as Boston.  So, I like to check all  the names on any US destination page,
> just in case.
>
>
> **
>
> I believe you're looking for an immigrant to the US, so my strategy would
> be to first scan the destinations looking for US locations.
>
> Passengers on [web] pages 8, 20, 52, 53, 59, 75, 102, 104 passengers are
> all going to Brasil-- mostly Rio de Janeiro.
>
> Passengers on [web] page 101 are a mixed lot. They are mostly going to
> Brazil; some are going directly, but some are going indirectly via Lisbon;
> passport number 259 is going to the US by way of Faial ["Estados Unidos da
> America pela ilha da Fayal"].
>
> Let's look at a couple of the entries more closely.  The information
> generally follows a standard format.
>
> page 101 #266:
>
> Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
> de 43 annos, casado, proprieta-
> rio, natural de freguesia de S.
> Sebastiao, d'esta ilha Terceira
>
> Translation:
>
> Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
> 43 years [old], property owner
> native of the village of S[ao]
> Sebastiao, of this island of Terceira
>
> This Manuel de Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro [it says "Idem" beneath
> "Rio de Janeiro" in the destination column], and he's too old to be your
> Manuel.
>
>
> Page 8 #55:
>
> Manoel de Sousa Bor-
> ges, casado, proprietario,
> natural da freguesia das
> L?, d'esta ilha, de
> 71 annos.
>
> Manoel de Sousa Borges,
> married, property owner
> native of the village of
> L?,  of this island,
> 71 years [old].
>
> This Manuel Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro, and he's 71, so he's not
> your Manuel either.
>
> You did great in identifying a list of potential Manuel de Sousas, and
> you'll be able to go through the pages more quickly by scanning for US
> destinations, then narrowing the candidates down to those who are closer in
> age to your target Manuel de Sousa.
>
> If you post a few more possible candidates, I'll be happy to have a look
> at them and help you to narrow the list.
>
> best of luck in your research,
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 8:51:02 AM UTC-8, Steve Stevens wrote:
>>
>> I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and
>> taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming
>> from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents
>> changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great
>> grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got
>> there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he
>> died. So I never had a chance to be "right."
>>
>> The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the
>> family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The
>> Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention
>> right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry
>> World and have found that to be a waste for me.
>>
>> Searching the Passport site you provided, I looked through 1884 and 1885
>> as this seems to be the most often recorded years for his immigration and
>> found some that caught my eye, but need translation if you will:
>>
>> p.8 #55
>> p.20 #181, 182
>> p.52 #152
>> p.53 #158
>> p.59 #223
>> p.75 #14
>> p.101 #266
>> p.102 #273
>> p.104 #285
>>
>> Working my way through the whole 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[Steve Stevens]

Linda,

Thank you so much for taking the time to look at them and help me. Now I 
know that the numbers were age, that will help a lot. I knew the 
destination, but have q hard time read what it says. Since I am half way 
through the book, you know I will have more for you to help with. LOL! One 
general question, are these all the passports issued for Portugal or just 
the Azores or just a particular island.

Thanks again. 

On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 3:07:41 PM UTC-5, linda wrote:
>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I'll help you learn to read the passport records.   The data and 
> vocabulary are limited; all it just takes is a little practice.
>
> ***
> Reading the Passport Lists:
>
> Headings at the top of the page are
>
> Passport Number;Date (Month, Day);  Name of Bearer;   Destination
>
> The  information for each passport holder usually includes name, marital 
> status, occupation, birth location, and age.  It may also include 
> additional people traveling with in the care of the main passport holder.  
> These may be dependent children, elderly parents; minor siblings or wives.
>
> The passports seem mostly grouped by departing ship-- groups of passport 
> holders all going to the same location.  In addition to place names, you 
> will also see ditto marks such as
>
> "
> or 
>
> ~ " ~ 
>
> or 
>
> "Idem" which is Latin for "the same".   
>
> It seems to me that US passengers sometimes state their final destination, 
> such as California, or sometimes state their port of disembarkation, such 
> as Boston.  So, I like to check all  the names on any US destination page, 
> just in case.
>
>
> **
>
> I believe you're looking for an immigrant to the US, so my strategy would 
> be to first scan the destinations looking for US locations.   
>
> Passengers on [web] pages 8, 20, 52, 53, 59, 75, 102, 104 passengers are 
> all going to Brasil-- mostly Rio de Janeiro.
>
> Passengers on [web] page 101 are a mixed lot. They are mostly going to 
> Brazil; some are going directly, but some are going indirectly via Lisbon; 
> passport number 259 is going to the US by way of Faial ["Estados Unidos da 
> America pela ilha da Fayal"].  
>
> Let's look at a couple of the entries more closely.  The information 
> generally follows a standard format.
>
> page 101 #266:
>
> Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
> de 43 annos, casado, proprieta-
> rio, natural de freguesia de S.
> Sebastiao, d'esta ilha Terceira 
>
> Translation:
>
> Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
> 43 years [old], property owner
> native of the village of S[ao]
> Sebastiao, of this island of Terceira
>
> This Manuel de Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro [it says "Idem" beneath 
> "Rio de Janeiro" in the destination column], and he's too old to be your 
> Manuel.
>
>
> Page 8 #55:
>  
> Manoel de Sousa Bor-
> ges, casado, proprietario, 
> natural da freguesia das
> L?, d'esta ilha, de
> 71 annos.
>
> Manoel de Sousa Borges,
> married, property owner
> native of the village of 
> L?,  of this island,
> 71 years [old].
>
> This Manuel Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro, and he's 71, so he's not 
> your Manuel either.
>
> You did great in identifying a list of potential Manuel de Sousas, and 
> you'll be able to go through the pages more quickly by scanning for US 
> destinations, then narrowing the candidates down to those who are closer in 
> age to your target Manuel de Sousa.
>
> If you post a few more possible candidates, I'll be happy to have a look 
> at them and help you to narrow the list.
>
> best of luck in your research,
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 8:51:02 AM UTC-8, Steve Stevens wrote:
>>
>> I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and 
>> taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming 
>> from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents 
>> changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great 
>> grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got 
>> there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he 
>> died. So I never had a chance to be "right."
>>
>> The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the 
>> family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The 
>> Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention 
>> right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry 
>> World and have found that to be a waste for me.
>>
>> Searching the Passport site you provided, I looked through 1884 and 1885 
>> as this seems to be the most often recorded years for his immigration and 
>> found some that caught my eye, but need translation if you will:
>>
>> p.8 #55
>> p.20 #181, 182
>> p.52 #152
>> p.53 #158
>> p.59 #223
>> p.75 #14
>> p.101 #266
>> p.102 #273
>> p.104 #285
>>
>> Working my way through the whole book. Too bad someone didn't index this. 
>> I would if I could read it better.
>>
>>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[linda]

Hi Steve,

I'll help you learn to read the passport records.   The data and vocabulary 
are limited; all it just takes is a little practice.

***
Reading the Passport Lists:

Headings at the top of the page are

Passport Number;Date (Month, Day);  Name of Bearer;   Destination

The  information for each passport holder usually includes name, marital 
status, occupation, birth location, and age.  It may also include 
additional people traveling with in the care of the main passport holder.  
These may be dependent children, elderly parents; minor siblings or wives.

The passports seem mostly grouped by departing ship-- groups of passport 
holders all going to the same location.  In addition to place names, you 
will also see ditto marks such as

"
or 

~ " ~ 

or 

"Idem" which is Latin for "the same".   

It seems to me that US passengers sometimes state their final destination, 
such as California, or sometimes state their port of disembarkation, such 
as Boston.  So, I like to check all  the names on any US destination page, 
just in case.


**

I believe you're looking for an immigrant to the US, so my strategy would 
be to first scan the destinations looking for US locations.   

Passengers on [web] pages 8, 20, 52, 53, 59, 75, 102, 104 passengers are 
all going to Brasil-- mostly Rio de Janeiro.

Passengers on [web] page 101 are a mixed lot. They are mostly going to 
Brazil; some are going directly, but some are going indirectly via Lisbon; 
passport number 259 is going to the US by way of Faial ["Estados Unidos da 
America pela ilha da Fayal"].  

Let's look at a couple of the entries more closely.  The information 
generally follows a standard format.

page 101 #266:

Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
de 43 annos, casado, proprieta-
rio, natural de freguesia de S.
Sebastiao, d'esta ilha Terceira 

Translation:

Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
43 years [old], property owner
native of the village of S[ao]
Sebastiao, of this island of Terceira

This Manuel de Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro [it says "Idem" beneath 
"Rio de Janeiro" in the destination column], and he's too old to be your 
Manuel.


Page 8 #55:
 
Manoel de Sousa Bor-
ges, casado, proprietario, 
natural da freguesia das
L?, d'esta ilha, de
71 annos.

Manoel de Sousa Borges,
married, property owner
native of the village of 
L?,  of this island,
71 years [old].

This Manuel Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro, and he's 71, so he's not your 
Manuel either.

You did great in identifying a list of potential Manuel de Sousas, and 
you'll be able to go through the pages more quickly by scanning for US 
destinations, then narrowing the candidates down to those who are closer in 
age to your target Manuel de Sousa.

If you post a few more possible candidates, I'll be happy to have a look at 
them and help you to narrow the list.

best of luck in your research,

Linda


On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 8:51:02 AM UTC-8, Steve Stevens wrote:
>
> I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and 
> taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming 
> from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents 
> changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great 
> grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got 
> there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he 
> died. So I never had a chance to be "right."
>
> The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the 
> family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The 
> Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention 
> right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry 
> World and have found that to be a waste for me.
>
> Searching the Passport site you provided, I looked through 1884 and 1885 
> as this seems to be the most often recorded years for his immigration and 
> found some that caught my eye, but need translation if you will:
>
> p.8 #55
> p.20 #181, 182
> p.52 #152
> p.53 #158
> p.59 #223
> p.75 #14
> p.101 #266
> p.102 #273
> p.104 #285
>
> Working my way through the whole book. Too bad someone didn't index this. 
> I would if I could read it better.
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Steve,

Sorry, I misread then. In the Portuguese based records, you are looking for
parents named João de Souza and Maria da Silva, but I doubt she's listed
that way. She'll be a Maria Religious Middle Name.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:15 PM Steve Stevens 
wrote:

> Cheri,
>
> Thanks again. His parents were John Soza and Mary Silva. I will search
> the site you referenced, thanks.
>
> On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 2:19:06 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> Thanks for the timeline. That helps a lot. These are all records you've
>> done from online searches? Not everything is online, especially the
>> naturalizations. Currently, it's around $65 to do a search (and no
>> guarantee they'll find the right Manuel). The fees are slated to go to a
>> few HUNDRED for just a search. $300 or so.
>>
>> Even though your Manuel did not personally provide the information for
>> the obituary, I'd use that. The person telling his life story probably got
>> the island right. But to search for Manuel de Souzas leaving Terceira
>> between 1885-1887 will turn up a lot. You said his parents were Joao Souza
>> and Maria Reis. It will be tedious, but you can go page by page, looking
>> for a Manuel de Souza born to a Joao de Souza and Maria Reis:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890_item1/index.html
>>
>> However, for that time period, I don't think his mom will be listed as
>> Maria Reis. She'll be Maria Religious Name. She was probably a daughter of
>> a Reis and that information is not listed in the passaportes.
>>
>> Do you have Manuel's siblings' information? That might turn up clues.
>> Because he's a Manuel de Souza though, DNA is probably going to be your
>> best bet.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:29 AM Steve Stevens  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah I'm sure A Manuel Sousa entered 2 Dec 1887 on Ship Bark Sarah 19/1
>>> Male Laborer Fayal, Fall River Forward 2 bags, but not sure it is My Manual
>>> Sousa.
>>>
>>> Let me start from my beginning journey on researching him.
>>>
>>> 1. 1900 Census Massachusetts, Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht
>>> 34B, ED 9, shows my g-grandfather on line 51 as Souza, Manuel, b. Feb 1868,
>>> age 32, married 9 years, births of he, father and mother Western Islands,
>>> year of immigration given as 1890, been here 10 years and still Alien and a
>>> laborer.
>>>
>>> 2. 1910 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht
>>> 11B, ED 10, line 60, Soza, Manuel this time year of immigration is 1887 and
>>> he is still an alien.
>>>
>>> 3. 1920 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht
>>> 16B, ED 12, line 76, Soza, Manuel back to 1885 and naturalized 1919
>>>
>>> 4. Obituary reveals this information:  Born 28 Jan 1868 (note conflict
>>> with 1900 Census of Feb 1868) in Terceira, Azores
>>>
>>> Now given a birth date of either 28 Jan or Feb 1868, immigration between
>>> 1885 and 1887 and naturalized in 1919, I turned to immigration and
>>> naturalization records:
>>>
>>> Index to Naturalization Records:
>>> Massachusetts State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1798-1950,
>>>
>>> closest match Manoel de Souza, country of birth or allegiance Portugal,
>>> birth 28 Feb 1868, date of naturalization 5 Nov 1897 (conflict with 1920
>>> Census
>>>
>>> Name: Manoel De Souza
>>> Petition Age: 30
>>> Record Type: Petition
>>> Birth Date: 28 Feb 1868
>>> Birth Place: St Michael Azores
>>> Arrival Date: 16 Apr 1885
>>> Arrival Place: Boston
>>> Petition Date: 9 Nov 1897
>>> Petition Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
>>> Boston Passenger List 1820-1943-
>>> July 1884, Ship Acoriano, Manuel de Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, St
>>> Meguells, US, Steerage
>>> November 1885, Ship Benguella, Manuel S 18, M, Tourist, Portugal,
>>> Portugal, Cuba, 3, Cabin,,V
>>> April 1886, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel B de Sousa, 18/3, Male Laborer, ,
>>> Flores, , , Steerage Forward,
>>> 2 Dec 1887, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel Sousa, 19/1, Male, Laborer, Fayal,
>>> Fall River, Forward, 2 bags
>>> April 1888, Ship Forest Fairy, Manuel da Souza, 18, Male, Laborer,
>>> Grasiosa, Grasiosa, USA, Steerage
>>> April 1889, Ship Forest Fairy, Manuel de Souza, 18, Male, Laborer,
>>> Portugal, Western Islands
>>>
>>> There is a Manoel de Souza vermintol who matches almost identically
>>> much, but don't undersrtand the "vermintol" on the British Basque Paladin
>>> and he is from Sao Miguel
>>>
>>> Name
>>> Manoel De souza vemintol
>>> Birth
>>> abt 1868
>>> Departure
>>> Azores
>>> Arrival
>>> Boston, Massachusetts, USA 17 Apr 1885
>>>
>>>
>>> Going to cut it short here to hear what you have to say. Thanks a bunch
>>> for the help, I think it 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[Steve Stevens]

Cheri,

Thanks again. His parents were John Soza and Mary Silva. I will search the 
site you referenced, thanks.

On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 2:19:06 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Thanks for the timeline. That helps a lot. These are all records you've 
> done from online searches? Not everything is online, especially the 
> naturalizations. Currently, it's around $65 to do a search (and no 
> guarantee they'll find the right Manuel). The fees are slated to go to a 
> few HUNDRED for just a search. $300 or so.
>
> Even though your Manuel did not personally provide the information for the 
> obituary, I'd use that. The person telling his life story probably got the 
> island right. But to search for Manuel de Souzas leaving Terceira between 
> 1885-1887 will turn up a lot. You said his parents were Joao Souza and 
> Maria Reis. It will be tedious, but you can go page by page, looking for a 
> Manuel de Souza born to a Joao de Souza and Maria Reis: 
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890_item1/index.html
>
> However, for that time period, I don't think his mom will be listed as 
> Maria Reis. She'll be Maria Religious Name. She was probably a daughter of 
> a Reis and that information is not listed in the passaportes.
>
> Do you have Manuel's siblings' information? That might turn up clues. 
> Because he's a Manuel de Souza though, DNA is probably going to be your 
> best bet. 
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:29 AM Steve Stevens  > wrote:
>
>> Yeah I'm sure A Manuel Sousa entered 2 Dec 1887 on Ship Bark Sarah 19/1 
>> Male Laborer Fayal, Fall River Forward 2 bags, but not sure it is My Manual 
>> Sousa.
>>
>> Let me start from my beginning journey on researching him.
>>
>> 1. 1900 Census Massachusetts, Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht 
>> 34B, ED 9, shows my g-grandfather on line 51 as Souza, Manuel, b. Feb 1868, 
>> age 32, married 9 years, births of he, father and mother Western Islands, 
>> year of immigration given as 1890, been here 10 years and still Alien and a 
>> laborer.
>>
>> 2. 1910 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht 
>> 11B, ED 10, line 60, Soza, Manuel this time year of immigration is 1887 and 
>> he is still an alien.
>>
>> 3. 1920 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht 
>> 16B, ED 12, line 76, Soza, Manuel back to 1885 and naturalized 1919
>>
>> 4. Obituary reveals this information:  Born 28 Jan 1868 (note conflict 
>> with 1900 Census of Feb 1868) in Terceira, Azores
>>
>> Now given a birth date of either 28 Jan or Feb 1868, immigration between 
>> 1885 and 1887 and naturalized in 1919, I turned to immigration and 
>> naturalization records:
>>
>> Index to Naturalization Records:
>> Massachusetts State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1798-1950, 
>>
>> closest match Manoel de Souza, country of birth or allegiance Portugal, 
>> birth 28 Feb 1868, date of naturalization 5 Nov 1897 (conflict with 1920 
>> Census
>>
>> Name: Manoel De Souza
>> Petition Age: 30
>> Record Type: Petition
>> Birth Date: 28 Feb 1868
>> Birth Place: St Michael Azores
>> Arrival Date: 16 Apr 1885
>> Arrival Place: Boston
>> Petition Date: 9 Nov 1897
>> Petition Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
>> Boston Passenger List 1820-1943-
>> July 1884, Ship Acoriano, Manuel de Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, St 
>> Meguells, US, Steerage
>> November 1885, Ship Benguella, Manuel S 18, M, Tourist, Portugal, 
>> Portugal, Cuba, 3, Cabin,,V
>> April 1886, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel B de Sousa, 18/3, Male Laborer, , 
>> Flores, , , Steerage Forward,
>> 2 Dec 1887, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel Sousa, 19/1, Male, Laborer, Fayal, 
>> Fall River, Forward, 2 bags
>> April 1888, Ship Forest Fairy, Manuel da Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, 
>> Grasiosa, Grasiosa, USA, Steerage
>> April 1889, Ship Forest Fairy, Manuel de Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, 
>> Portugal, Western Islands
>>
>> There is a Manoel de Souza vermintol who matches almost identically much, 
>> but don't undersrtand the "vermintol" on the British Basque Paladin and he 
>> is from Sao Miguel
>>
>> Name 
>> Manoel De souza vemintol
>> Birth 
>> abt 1868
>> Departure 
>> Azores
>> Arrival 
>> Boston, Massachusetts, USA 17 Apr 1885
>>
>>
>> Going to cut it short here to hear what you have to say. Thanks a bunch 
>> for the help, I think it cleared things up in my own mind at least
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 6:22:11 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Steve S,
>>> Are you sure about that? I can't find a Manuel Souza coming into Boston 
>>> on 2 Dec 1887 on the Sarah from Flores. But I found a Manuel Souza coming 
>>> into Boston on 2 Dec 1887 on the Sarah from FAIAL. It's getting to be 
>>> confusing. First you said it was Sao Miguel island, then Flores island, but 
>>> I find Faial island. 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the timeline. That helps a lot. These are all records you've
done from online searches? Not everything is online, especially the
naturalizations. Currently, it's around $65 to do a search (and no
guarantee they'll find the right Manuel). The fees are slated to go to a
few HUNDRED for just a search. $300 or so.

Even though your Manuel did not personally provide the information for the
obituary, I'd use that. The person telling his life story probably got the
island right. But to search for Manuel de Souzas leaving Terceira between
1885-1887 will turn up a lot. You said his parents were Joao Souza and
Maria Reis. It will be tedious, but you can go page by page, looking for a
Manuel de Souza born to a Joao de Souza and Maria Reis:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890_item1/index.html

However, for that time period, I don't think his mom will be listed as
Maria Reis. She'll be Maria Religious Name. She was probably a daughter of
a Reis and that information is not listed in the passaportes.

Do you have Manuel's siblings' information? That might turn up clues.
Because he's a Manuel de Souza though, DNA is probably going to be your
best bet.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:29 AM Steve Stevens 
wrote:

> Yeah I'm sure A Manuel Sousa entered 2 Dec 1887 on Ship Bark Sarah 19/1
> Male Laborer Fayal, Fall River Forward 2 bags, but not sure it is My Manual
> Sousa.
>
> Let me start from my beginning journey on researching him.
>
> 1. 1900 Census Massachusetts, Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht
> 34B, ED 9, shows my g-grandfather on line 51 as Souza, Manuel, b. Feb 1868,
> age 32, married 9 years, births of he, father and mother Western Islands,
> year of immigration given as 1890, been here 10 years and still Alien and a
> laborer.
>
> 2. 1910 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht
> 11B, ED 10, line 60, Soza, Manuel this time year of immigration is 1887 and
> he is still an alien.
>
> 3. 1920 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht
> 16B, ED 12, line 76, Soza, Manuel back to 1885 and naturalized 1919
>
> 4. Obituary reveals this information:  Born 28 Jan 1868 (note conflict
> with 1900 Census of Feb 1868) in Terceira, Azores
>
> Now given a birth date of either 28 Jan or Feb 1868, immigration between
> 1885 and 1887 and naturalized in 1919, I turned to immigration and
> naturalization records:
>
> Index to Naturalization Records:
> Massachusetts State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1798-1950,
>
> closest match Manoel de Souza, country of birth or allegiance Portugal,
> birth 28 Feb 1868, date of naturalization 5 Nov 1897 (conflict with 1920
> Census
>
> Name: Manoel De Souza
> Petition Age: 30
> Record Type: Petition
> Birth Date: 28 Feb 1868
> Birth Place: St Michael Azores
> Arrival Date: 16 Apr 1885
> Arrival Place: Boston
> Petition Date: 9 Nov 1897
> Petition Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
> Boston Passenger List 1820-1943-
> July 1884, Ship Acoriano, Manuel de Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, St Meguells,
> US, Steerage
> November 1885, Ship Benguella, Manuel S 18, M, Tourist, Portugal,
> Portugal, Cuba, 3, Cabin,,V
> April 1886, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel B de Sousa, 18/3, Male Laborer, ,
> Flores, , , Steerage Forward,
> 2 Dec 1887, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel Sousa, 19/1, Male, Laborer, Fayal,
> Fall River, Forward, 2 bags
> April 1888, Ship Forest Fairy, Manuel da Souza, 18, Male, Laborer,
> Grasiosa, Grasiosa, USA, Steerage
> April 1889, Ship Forest Fairy, Manuel de Souza, 18, Male, Laborer,
> Portugal, Western Islands
>
> There is a Manoel de Souza vermintol who matches almost identically much,
> but don't undersrtand the "vermintol" on the British Basque Paladin and he
> is from Sao Miguel
>
> Name
> Manoel De souza vemintol
> Birth
> abt 1868
> Departure
> Azores
> Arrival
> Boston, Massachusetts, USA 17 Apr 1885
>
>
> Going to cut it short here to hear what you have to say. Thanks a bunch
> for the help, I think it cleared things up in my own mind at least
>
>
> On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 6:22:11 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steve S,
>> Are you sure about that? I can't find a Manuel Souza coming into Boston
>> on 2 Dec 1887 on the Sarah from Flores. But I found a Manuel Souza coming
>> into Boston on 2 Dec 1887 on the Sarah from FAIAL. It's getting to be
>> confusing. First you said it was Sao Miguel island, then Flores island, but
>> I find Faial island. What documents do you have that say Sao Miguel? What
>> documents say Flores? Depending on your answers to those questions will
>> point to the right solution. Otherwise, it's a wild goose chase.
>>
>> You did a Y-DNA test with which company? Family Tree DNA or Ancestry?
>> They are 2 different companies. Ancestry did Y-DNA testing years ago, but
>> they didn't test 64 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Steve S,
Are you sure about that? I can't find a Manuel Souza coming into Boston on
2 Dec 1887 on the Sarah from Flores. But I found a Manuel Souza coming into
Boston on 2 Dec 1887 on the Sarah from FAIAL. It's getting to be confusing.
First you said it was Sao Miguel island, then Flores island, but I find
Faial island. What documents do you have that say Sao Miguel? What
documents say Flores? Depending on your answers to those questions will
point to the right solution. Otherwise, it's a wild goose chase.

You did a Y-DNA test with which company? Family Tree DNA or Ancestry? They
are 2 different companies. Ancestry did Y-DNA testing years ago, but they
didn't test 64 markers. FTDNA has a Y-DNA 67 test, if that is what you
mean. If you did it with Ancestry, you can transfer their Y-DNA 33 or Y-DNA
46 over to FTDNA (if you downloaded the raw data file). You won't get 33 or
46 markers though, as they aren't all compatible. You can make them
compatible by providing a swab and paying a fee:
[image: image.png]

If you did a Y-DNA test with FTDNA, you can join the Azores DNA Project.
You didn't directly say that your Stephens is a corruption of Souza though.
I'm guessing by your signature. And if you did test with FTDNA, you need to
add the Family Finder test. It's another tool to use. Y-DNA testing is a
direct line test - your father's father's father's line only. Family Finder
(autosomal DNA testing) covers all your lines going back about 200 years
from your birth. You'd have to tease them apart. If you did an Ancestry DNA
test (like the ones you see on TV), you did an autosomal DNA test and these
transfer over to FTDNA. You get matches for free. The tools and ethnicity
estimates are $19.

Set me straight on your island and hopefully I can point you in the right
direction.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 3:00 PM Steve Stevens 
wrote:

> Thanks for the information you provided. I have some other information,
> but is does not match up to San Miguel. It saya Terceira.
>
> I did the 64 Y-DNA test years ago and Ancestry chose not to use these with
> their new DNA test. I can provide the results if it would help, but it
> looks like I can not join the DNA group without a new test. I believe I
> have his entry into Boston, from Flores on the bark Sarah 2 dec 1887
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Stevens
>
>
> On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 11:38:54 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steve S,
>>
>> Sousa is the modern Portuguese spelling. Before 1911 you will see Souza.
>> At least in the Portuguese records. The set of records you'll be dealing
>> with won't be the Civil Registers but the Church records.
>>
>> Yes, Souza/Sousa and Silva are 2 of the most common names. Records over
>> there are organized on the village level. You have to know the village,
>> especially when you are dealing with Sao Miguel island. That island alone
>> holds half the population of the Azores and has approximately 70 churches
>> to look through. It's a needle in a haystack.
>>
>> You have the immigration date. Unfortunately, the emigration leaving the
>> port of Ponta Delgada on the island of Sao Miguel has some gaps in the
>> records. That 1885-1886 is one gap. The records are simply missing.
>>
>> If none of your research has turned up a village (called a freguesia) on
>> your Manuel, you'll have to research his sisters and find their immigration
>> and naturalizations. And you'll most likely have to use DNA. Your matches
>> might point towards a particular region on Sao Miguel. Or maybe you'll find
>> a cousin. If your parent(s) are alive test them first. If they are not
>> alive, test their sibling(s). If they are not alive, then you are the best
>> candidate for the DNA test. Order through the Azores DNA Project on Family
>> Tree DNA. Use this link:
>> https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands
>> You want the Family Finder which is on sale for $49 (+$12.95 S -
>> includes return postage if you still reside in the U.S.). The sale ends
>> tonight (Jan. 2) at 11:59 pm PST.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:23 AM Steve Stevens  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all!
>>>
>>> I just found this group while digging for Azores civil records or
>>> information. My great-grandfather Manuel/Manoel de Sousa/Souza was born
>>> about 28 February 1868 in ST. Michael/Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal and
>>> immigrated to the US about 16 April 1885/86 at Boston, MA.  He was
>>> naturalized 5 Nov 1897. According to marriage records, his parents were
>>> John Soza and Mary Silva. Knowing that these names are like Smith and Jones
>>> in the US, I was hoping for some help locating Portuguese records for the
>>> family. He had three sisters, Mary (abt1871-1933), Marion Augusta 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[Steve Stevens]

Thanks for the information you provided. I have some other information, but 
is does not match up to San Miguel. It saya Terceira.

I did the 64 Y-DNA test years ago and Ancestry chose not to use these with 
their new DNA test. I can provide the results if it would help, but it 
looks like I can not join the DNA group without a new test. I believe I 
have his entry into Boston, from Flores on the bark Sarah 2 dec 1887 

Regards,

Steve Stevens


On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 11:38:54 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Steve S,
>
> Sousa is the modern Portuguese spelling. Before 1911 you will see Souza. 
> At least in the Portuguese records. The set of records you'll be dealing 
> with won't be the Civil Registers but the Church records.
>
> Yes, Souza/Sousa and Silva are 2 of the most common names. Records over 
> there are organized on the village level. You have to know the village, 
> especially when you are dealing with Sao Miguel island. That island alone 
> holds half the population of the Azores and has approximately 70 churches 
> to look through. It's a needle in a haystack.
>
> You have the immigration date. Unfortunately, the emigration leaving the 
> port of Ponta Delgada on the island of Sao Miguel has some gaps in the 
> records. That 1885-1886 is one gap. The records are simply missing.
>
> If none of your research has turned up a village (called a freguesia) on 
> your Manuel, you'll have to research his sisters and find their immigration 
> and naturalizations. And you'll most likely have to use DNA. Your matches 
> might point towards a particular region on Sao Miguel. Or maybe you'll find 
> a cousin. If your parent(s) are alive test them first. If they are not 
> alive, test their sibling(s). If they are not alive, then you are the best 
> candidate for the DNA test. Order through the Azores DNA Project on Family 
> Tree DNA. Use this link:
> https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands
> You want the Family Finder which is on sale for $49 (+$12.95 S - 
> includes return postage if you still reside in the U.S.). The sale ends 
> tonight (Jan. 2) at 11:59 pm PST.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:23 AM Steve Stevens  > wrote:
>
>> Hello all! 
>>
>> I just found this group while digging for Azores civil records or 
>> information. My great-grandfather Manuel/Manoel de Sousa/Souza was born 
>> about 28 February 1868 in ST. Michael/Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal and 
>> immigrated to the US about 16 April 1885/86 at Boston, MA.  He was 
>> naturalized 5 Nov 1897. According to marriage records, his parents were 
>> John Soza and Mary Silva. Knowing that these names are like Smith and Jones 
>> in the US, I was hoping for some help locating Portuguese records for the 
>> family. He had three sisters, Mary (abt1871-1933), Marion Augusta (abt 
>> 1875-1943) and Gertrude Alice (???-aft 1943).
>>
>> Any help would be most appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steve Stevens (Souza)
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Steve S,

Sousa is the modern Portuguese spelling. Before 1911 you will see Souza. At
least in the Portuguese records. The set of records you'll be dealing with
won't be the Civil Registers but the Church records.

Yes, Souza/Sousa and Silva are 2 of the most common names. Records over
there are organized on the village level. You have to know the village,
especially when you are dealing with Sao Miguel island. That island alone
holds half the population of the Azores and has approximately 70 churches
to look through. It's a needle in a haystack.

You have the immigration date. Unfortunately, the emigration leaving the
port of Ponta Delgada on the island of Sao Miguel has some gaps in the
records. That 1885-1886 is one gap. The records are simply missing.

If none of your research has turned up a village (called a freguesia) on
your Manuel, you'll have to research his sisters and find their immigration
and naturalizations. And you'll most likely have to use DNA. Your matches
might point towards a particular region on Sao Miguel. Or maybe you'll find
a cousin. If your parent(s) are alive test them first. If they are not
alive, test their sibling(s). If they are not alive, then you are the best
candidate for the DNA test. Order through the Azores DNA Project on Family
Tree DNA. Use this link:
https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands
You want the Family Finder which is on sale for $49 (+$12.95 S - includes
return postage if you still reside in the U.S.). The sale ends tonight
(Jan. 2) at 11:59 pm PST.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:23 AM Steve Stevens 
wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> I just found this group while digging for Azores civil records or
> information. My great-grandfather Manuel/Manoel de Sousa/Souza was born
> about 28 February 1868 in ST. Michael/Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal and
> immigrated to the US about 16 April 1885/86 at Boston, MA.  He was
> naturalized 5 Nov 1897. According to marriage records, his parents were
> John Soza and Mary Silva. Knowing that these names are like Smith and Jones
> in the US, I was hoping for some help locating Portuguese records for the
> family. He had three sisters, Mary (abt1871-1933), Marion Augusta (abt
> 1875-1943) and Gertrude Alice (???-aft 1943).
>
> Any help would be most appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Stevens (Souza)
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[Steve Stevens]

Hello all! 

I just found this group while digging for Azores civil records or 
information. My great-grandfather Manuel/Manoel de Sousa/Souza was born 
about 28 February 1868 in ST. Michael/Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal and 
immigrated to the US about 16 April 1885/86 at Boston, MA.  He was 
naturalized 5 Nov 1897. According to marriage records, his parents were 
John Soza and Mary Silva. Knowing that these names are like Smith and Jones 
in the US, I was hoping for some help locating Portuguese records for the 
family. He had three sisters, Mary (abt1871-1933), Marion Augusta (abt 
1875-1943) and Gertrude Alice (???-aft 1943).

Any help would be most appreciated.

Regards,

Steve Stevens (Souza)

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