RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
Hello Fawn,You didn't provide an easy link, but I can probably answer you, anyway.When a child was baptized at home, it's because the baby is deemed to be of such poor or fragile health that they better not wait. They use the word "sub-condition" and this was recently discussed in this group maybe a month ago, but I don't remember the subject title (always a good reason to have a title that indicates the real subject of the message...).Anyway, sometimes the priest doesn't mention the word padrinho or padrinhos and instead writes testamunhas/witnesses. I always take it to mean they are also the padrinhos, but could be wrong in this assumption. Maybe someone can chime in about this if they know for certain.I remember one of my ancestors was baptized at home in Sao Roque do Pico in the middle 1700s. So it surely doesn't mean these children didn't survive. They just got off to a shaky start in life.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism From: Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> Date: Wed, March 19, 2014 7:13 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi Everyone,I'm having trouble understanding a baptism on the CCA site. It is for Antonio, son of Joao Jacinto de Sigueira, native of Rosais & Barbara Joaquina Rosa, native of Norte Grande, born on the 25th of May 1834 & I think baptized on the 29th in the home. I don't know what the rest says & google translate is absolutely no help on this one. I see witnesses but no padrinhos. Did this child die? I checked the obitos & could not find him. Why was he baptized in the home? The baptism is on the top left of the pg. Help! Please.Thanks,Fawn SilvaSt. Louis, MO -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
It looks to me like the priest (Paulo Silveira Bettencourt) baptized the child because they thought he might die. Witnesses were (my guess) Jose de Souza Silveira Bettencourt and Joao Jose de Bettencourt. I am interested since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande, plus a DNA match (5th to remote cousin) between myself and your husband. But I don't see an immediate connection to these people. :) Mary On Thursday, March 20, 2014, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry. I forgot to include the link on that > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839_item1/P126.html > > Thank you, Doug and Antonio. > > Fawn Silva > St. Louis, MO > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Fawn Silva > <2sil...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I'm having trouble understanding a baptism on the CCA site. It is for >> Antonio, son of Joao Jacinto de Sigueira, native of Rosais & Barbara >> Joaquina Rosa, native of Norte Grande, born on the 25th of May 1834 & I >> think baptized on the 29th in the home. I don't know what the rest says & >> google translate is absolutely no help on this one. I see witnesses but no >> padrinhos. Did this child die? I checked the obitos & could not find >> him. Why was he baptized in the home? The baptism is on the top left of >> the pg. >> >> Help! Please. >> >> Thanks, >> Fawn Silva >> St. Louis, MO >> > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
I'm also watching this thread with interest since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande. These witness names are similar to my names. I haven't noticed a FF match though to others from here for me or my uncle, John Baptiste.except to Rosemarie as a 5th to remote. Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:45:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism From: busybo...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com It looks to me like the priest (Paulo Silveira Bettencourt) baptized the child because they thought he might die. Witnesses were (my guess) Jose de Souza Silveira Bettencourt and Joao Jose de Bettencourt. I am interested since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande, plus a DNA match (5th to remote cousin) between myself and your husband. But I don't see an immediate connection to these people. :) Mary On Thursday, March 20, 2014, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry. I forgot to include the link on that http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839_item1/P126.html Thank you, Doug and Antonio. Fawn SilvaSt. Louis, MO On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm having trouble understanding a baptism on the CCA site. It is for Antonio, son of Joao Jacinto de Sigueira, native of Rosais & Barbara Joaquina Rosa, native of Norte Grande, born on the 25th of May 1834 & I think baptized on the 29th in the home. I don't know what the rest says & google translate is absolutely no help on this one. I see witnesses but no padrinhos. Did this child die? I checked the obitos & could not find him. Why was he baptized in the home? The baptism is on the top left of the pg. Help! Please. Thanks,Fawn SilvaSt. Louis, MO -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
A belated thank you to those who helped me with this. My father had a stroke & I am in CA caring for him & my mother & I failed to thank you for your help and ideas. Mary & Nancy, my husband's uncle also had his DNA done for us & is on the site as Buzzie Mendonca. My husband has a number of family lines that link to Rosais and then the one to Norte Grande. Thanks again, Fawn Silva St. Louis, MO On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:11 PM, nancy jean baptiste < fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote: > I'm also watching this thread with interest since I have connections to > Rosais and Norte Grande. These witness names are similar to my names. I > haven't noticed a FF match though to others from here for me or my uncle, > John Baptiste.except to Rosemarie as a 5th to remote. > > Nancy Jean > > ---------- > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:45:17 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism > From: busybo...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > > It looks to me like the priest (Paulo Silveira Bettencourt) baptized the > child because they thought he might die. Witnesses were (my guess) Jose de > Souza Silveira Bettencourt and Joao Jose de Bettencourt. > > I am interested since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande, plus > a DNA match (5th to remote cousin) between myself and your husband. But I > don't see an immediate connection to these people. :) > > Mary > > On Thursday, March 20, 2014, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Sorry. I forgot to include the link on that > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839_item1/P126.html > > Thank you, Doug and Antonio. > > Fawn Silva > St. Louis, MO > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I'm having trouble understanding a baptism on the CCA site. It is for > Antonio, son of Joao Jacinto de Sigueira, native of Rosais & Barbara > Joaquina Rosa, native of Norte Grande, born on the 25th of May 1834 & I > think baptized on the 29th in the home. I don't know what the rest says & > google translate is absolutely no help on this one. I see witnesses but no > padrinhos. Did this child die? I checked the obitos & could not find > him. Why was he baptized in the home? The baptism is on the top left of > the pg. > > Help! Please. > > Thanks, > Fawn Silva > St. Louis, MO > > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
Hi Fawn, I hope your father is improving. Both myself and my Uncle John Cardoza Baptiste match Buzzie Mendonca.he shows as 4th -remote match to me and 5th-remote to my uncle.I would have thought it would be just the opposite since Uncle John's a generation earlier. I noticed you are the contact for Dennis Wilbert Silva who is a 4th-remote match to me but not to my uncle. Best regards, Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:52:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism From: 2sil...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com A belated thank you to those who helped me with this. My father had a stroke & I am in CA caring for him & my mother & I failed to thank you for your help and ideas. Mary & Nancy, my husband's uncle also had his DNA done for us & is on the site as Buzzie Mendonca. My husband has a number of family lines that link to Rosais and then the one to Norte Grande. Thanks again,Fawn SilvaSt. Louis, MO On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:11 PM, nancy jean baptiste wrote: I'm also watching this thread with interest since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande. These witness names are similar to my names. I haven't noticed a FF match though to others from here for me or my uncle, John Baptiste.except to Rosemarie as a 5th to remote. Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:45:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism From: busybo...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com It looks to me like the priest (Paulo Silveira Bettencourt) baptized the child because they thought he might die. Witnesses were (my guess) Jose de Souza Silveira Bettencourt and Joao Jose de Bettencourt. I am interested since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande, plus a DNA match (5th to remote cousin) between myself and your husband. But I don't see an immediate connection to these people. :) Mary On Thursday, March 20, 2014, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry. I forgot to include the link on that http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839_item1/P126.html Thank you, Doug and Antonio. Fawn SilvaSt. Louis, MO On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm having trouble understanding a baptism on the CCA site. It is for Antonio, son of Joao Jacinto de Sigueira, native of Rosais & Barbara Joaquina Rosa, native of Norte Grande, born on the 25th of May 1834 & I think baptized on the 29th in the home. I don't know what the rest says & google translate is absolutely no help on this one. I see witnesses but no padrinhos. Did this child die? I checked the obitos & could not find him. Why was he baptized in the home? The baptism is on the top left of the pg. Help! Please. Thanks,Fawn SilvaSt. Louis, MO -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Goog
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
Nancy Jean, I connect to Buzzie and Dennis Wilbert Silva too. So, this would mean that we are ‘in common with’ each other and Fawn. If we could just figure this out, so frustrating to have a large paper trail and still not connect! Rosemarie From: nancy jean baptiste Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:58 AM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Hi Fawn, I hope your father is improving. Both myself and my Uncle John Cardoza Baptiste match Buzzie Mendonca.he shows as 4th -remote match to me and 5th-remote to my uncle.I would have thought it would be just the opposite since Uncle John's a generation earlier. I noticed you are the contact for Dennis Wilbert Silva who is a 4th-remote match to me but not to my uncle. Best regards, Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:52:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism From: 2sil...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com A belated thank you to those who helped me with this. My father had a stroke & I am in CA caring for him & my mother & I failed to thank you for your help and ideas. Mary & Nancy, my husband's uncle also had his DNA done for us & is on the site as Buzzie Mendonca. My husband has a number of family lines that link to Rosais and then the one to Norte Grande. Thanks again, Fawn Silva St. Louis, MO On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:11 PM, nancy jean baptiste wrote: I'm also watching this thread with interest since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande. These witness names are similar to my names. I haven't noticed a FF match though to others from here for me or my uncle, John Baptiste.except to Rosemarie as a 5th to remote. Nancy Jean -- Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:45:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism From: busybo...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com It looks to me like the priest (Paulo Silveira Bettencourt) baptized the child because they thought he might die. Witnesses were (my guess) Jose de Souza Silveira Bettencourt and Joao Jose de Bettencourt. I am interested since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande, plus a DNA match (5th to remote cousin) between myself and your husband. But I don't see an immediate connection to these people. :) Mary On Thursday, March 20, 2014, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry. I forgot to include the link on that http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839_item1/P126.html Thank you, Doug and Antonio. Fawn Silva St. Louis, MO On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm having trouble understanding a baptism on the CCA site. It is for Antonio, son of Joao Jacinto de Sigueira, native of Rosais & Barbara Joaquina Rosa, native of Norte Grande, born on the 25th of May 1834 & I think baptized on the 29th in the home. I don't know what the rest says & google translate is absolutely no help on this one. I see witnesses but no padrinhos. Did this child die? I checked the obitos & could not find him. Why was he baptized in the home? The baptism is on the top left of the pg. Help! Please. Thanks, Fawn Silva St. Louis, MO -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
Hi Rosemarie, I know exactly what you mean with the frustration regarding good paper trails and can't find the connection! Especially frustrating on the 2nd to 3rd cousin ones! I see clues in the gedcoms but nothing definitivein truth I think it's right in front of my eyes but I just don't know it due to our ancestral habit of adopting whatever name they may fancy at the time. I never knew my ggrandfather, Manuel Furtado Cardoso used any other name until looking at the baptisms of his children on CCA and discovering that on one of them he used his fathers name of Silva.which 2 of his brothers used in the states although he never did. So many of my matches list surnames that match mineespecially Cardoso, Silva, Gracia, Andrade, Castro and on and on..I see the Veira name which is one of the names my brick wall grandfather, Jose Enos usedalong with 3 other surnames he used! My biggest regret with this DNA stuff is that I tested my own MTDNA instead of my mothers..at the time I tested there wasn't any Family Finder and I never thought I'd need moms..alas, now it's too late and I can see it would have been a wealth of knowledge..it also would have proven or disproven what I've come to suspect, that my mom and dad may have been distant cousins without knowing it! There are so many shades of grey that would be cleared up by thatat least I think they would. If they only had NO interisland connection I could eliminate better...but all of mom's people were from Sao Jorge EXCEPT her paternal grandmother who was from Pico and we think was a Gracia.so that gives her a potential Pico connectionall of dads people were from Pico and Santa Maria EXCEPT his paternal grandfather who was from Sao Jorge! Oh dear... Well, I'll never suffer from boredom since they'll always be another mystery to search. Also, I see you are the contact for Kenneth Silva who shows up as 4th-remote on my Uncle John Baptiste.but not on me.yet you show up on me as 5th -remote but not to Uncle John. Best to you my cousin! Nancy Jean From: rcap...@redshift.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 08:25:36 -0700 Nancy Jean, I connect to Buzzie and Dennis Wilbert Silva too. So, this would mean that we are 'in common with' each other and Fawn. If we could just figure this out, so frustrating to have a large paper trail and still not connect! Rosemarie From: nancy jean baptiste Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:58 AM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Hi Fawn, I hope your father is improving. Both myself and my Uncle John Cardoza Baptiste match Buzzie Mendonca.he shows as 4th -remote match to me and 5th-remote to my uncle.I would have thought it would be just the opposite since Uncle John's a generation earlier. I noticed you are the contact for Dennis Wilbert Silva who is a 4th-remote match to me but not to my uncle. Best regards, Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:52:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism From: 2sil...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com A belated thank you to those who helped me with this. My father had a stroke & I am in CA caring for him & my mother & I failed to thank you for your help and ideas. Mary & Nancy, my husband's uncle also had his DNA done for us & is on the site as Buzzie Mendonca. My husband has a number of family lines that link to Rosais and then the one to Norte Grande. Thanks again, Fawn Silva St. Louis, MO On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:11 PM, nancy jean baptiste wrote: I'm also watching this thread with interest since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande. These witness names are similar to my names. I haven't noticed a FF match though to others from here for me or my uncle, John Baptiste.except to Rosemarie as a 5th to remote. Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:45:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism From: busybo...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com It looks to me like the priest (Paulo Silveira Bettencourt) baptized the child because they thought he might die. Witnesses were (my guess) Jose de Souza Silveira Bettencourt and Joao Jose de Bettencourt. I am interested since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande, plus a DNA match (5th to remote cousin) between myself and your husband. But I don't see an immediate connection to these people. :) Mary On Thursday, March 20, 2014, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry. I forgot to include the link on that http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_di
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
Nancy Jean, I sympathize with you! I feel the same about the connections. I should have tested my Mom too and now it’s too late. The hard thing for me is that Kenneth Silva is connected to me on my grandmother’s side and also the grandfather’s side! double cousin but a generation off. He also is not really a Silva but a Silveira! All of the brothers that came her chopped it down to Silva but in the Old Country is really Silveira de Azevedo! Why did they do this, who knows but it is making the trail so hard for us to follow! Talk to you again soon, Prima! Prima, Rosemarie From: nancy jean baptiste Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:14 AM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Hi Rosemarie, I know exactly what you mean with the frustration regarding good paper trails and can't find the connection! Especially frustrating on the 2nd to 3rd cousin ones! I see clues in the gedcoms but nothing definitivein truth I think it's right in front of my eyes but I just don't know it due to our ancestral habit of adopting whatever name they may fancy at the time. I never knew my ggrandfather, Manuel Furtado Cardoso used any other name until looking at the baptisms of his children on CCA and discovering that on one of them he used his fathers name of Silva.which 2 of his brothers used in the states although he never did. So many of my matches list surnames that match mineespecially Cardoso, Silva, Gracia, Andrade, Castro and on and on..I see the Veira name which is one of the names my brick wall grandfather, Jose Enos usedalong with 3 other surnames he used! My biggest regret with this DNA stuff is that I tested my own MTDNA instead of my mothers..at the time I tested there wasn't any Family Finder and I never thought I'd need moms..alas, now it's too late and I can see it would have been a wealth of knowledge..it also would have proven or disproven what I've come to suspect, that my mom and dad may have been distant cousins without knowing it! There are so many shades of grey that would be cleared up by thatat least I think they would. If they only had NO interisland connection I could eliminate better...but all of mom's people were from Sao Jorge EXCEPT her paternal grandmother who was from Pico and we think was a Gracia.so that gives her a potential Pico connectionall of dads people were from Pico and Santa Maria EXCEPT his paternal grandfather who was from Sao Jorge! Oh dear... Well, I'll never suffer from boredom since they'll always be another mystery to search. Also, I see you are the contact for Kenneth Silva who shows up as 4th-remote on my Uncle John Baptiste.but not on me.yet you show up on me as 5th -remote but not to Uncle John. Best to you my cousin! Nancy Jean From: rcap...@redshift.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 08:25:36 -0700 Nancy Jean, I connect to Buzzie and Dennis Wilbert Silva too. So, this would mean that we are ‘in common with’ each other and Fawn. If we could just figure this out, so frustrating to have a large paper trail and still not connect! Rosemarie From: nancy jean baptiste Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:58 AM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Hi Fawn, I hope your father is improving. Both myself and my Uncle John Cardoza Baptiste match Buzzie Mendonca.he shows as 4th -remote match to me and 5th-remote to my uncle.I would have thought it would be just the opposite since Uncle John's a generation earlier. I noticed you are the contact for Dennis Wilbert Silva who is a 4th-remote match to me but not to my uncle. Best regards, Nancy Jean -------- Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:52:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism From: 2sil...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com A belated thank you to those who helped me with this. My father had a stroke & I am in CA caring for him & my mother & I failed to thank you for your help and ideas. Mary & Nancy, my husband's uncle also had his DNA done for us & is on the site as Buzzie Mendonca. My husband has a number of family lines that link to Rosais and then the one to Norte Grande. Thanks again, Fawn Silva St. Louis, MO On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:11 PM, nancy jean baptiste wrote: I'm also watching this thread with interest since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande. These witness names are similar to my names. I haven't noticed a FF match though to others from here for m
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Hi Rosemarie, I have many Silveira in my Sao Jorge linesboth mom's and dad's. My mom's were always Silveira de Lemos until coming to the staes when they became just Lemos. My dads fathers line were Silveira Leonardes and just Silveira. I still feel like our connection is in the de Lemos line but since mine were from Rosais and yours Norte Grande who knowshowever, I recently found one of my lines in Norte Grandenot de Lemos though, at least not apparently. Nancy Jean From: rcap...@redshift.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 09:20:23 -0700 Nancy Jean, I sympathize with you! I feel the same about the connections. I should have tested my Mom too and now it's too late. The hard thing for me is that Kenneth Silva is connected to me on my grandmother's side and also the grandfather's side! double cousin but a generation off. He also is not really a Silva but a Silveira! All of the brothers that came her chopped it down to Silva but in the Old Country is really Silveira de Azevedo! Why did they do this, who knows but it is making the trail so hard for us to follow! Talk to you again soon, Prima! Prima, Rosemarie From: nancy jean baptiste Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:14 AM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Hi Rosemarie, I know exactly what you mean with the frustration regarding good paper trails and can't find the connection! Especially frustrating on the 2nd to 3rd cousin ones! I see clues in the gedcoms but nothing definitivein truth I think it's right in front of my eyes but I just don't know it due to our ancestral habit of adopting whatever name they may fancy at the time. I never knew my ggrandfather, Manuel Furtado Cardoso used any other name until looking at the baptisms of his children on CCA and discovering that on one of them he used his fathers name of Silva.which 2 of his brothers used in the states although he never did. So many of my matches list surnames that match mineespecially Cardoso, Silva, Gracia, Andrade, Castro and on and on..I see the Veira name which is one of the names my brick wall grandfather, Jose Enos usedalong with 3 other surnames he used! My biggest regret with this DNA stuff is that I tested my own MTDNA instead of my mothers..at the time I tested there wasn't any Family Finder and I never thought I'd need moms..alas, now it's too late and I can see it would have been a wealth of knowledge..it also would have proven or disproven what I've come to suspect, that my mom and dad may have been distant cousins without knowing it! There are so many shades of grey that would be cleared up by thatat least I think they would. If they only had NO interisland connection I could eliminate better...but all of mom's people were from Sao Jorge EXCEPT her paternal grandmother who was from Pico and we think was a Gracia.so that gives her a potential Pico connectionall of dads people were from Pico and Santa Maria EXCEPT his paternal grandfather who was from Sao Jorge! Oh dear... Well, I'll never suffer from boredom since they'll always be another mystery to search. Also, I see you are the contact for Kenneth Silva who shows up as 4th-remote on my Uncle John Baptiste.but not on me.yet you show up on me as 5th -remote but not to Uncle John. Best to you my cousin! Nancy Jean From: rcap...@redshift.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 08:25:36 -0700 Nancy Jean, I connect to Buzzie and Dennis Wilbert Silva too. So, this would mean that we are 'in common with' each other and Fawn. If we could just figure this out, so frustrating to have a large paper trail and still not connect! Rosemarie From: nancy jean baptiste Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:58 AM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Hi Fawn, I hope your father is improving. Both myself and my Uncle John Cardoza Baptiste match Buzzie Mendonca.he shows as 4th -remote match to me and 5th-remote to my uncle.I would have thought it would be just the opposite since Uncle John's a generation earlier. I noticed you are the contact for Dennis Wilbert Silva who is a 4th-remote match to me but not to my uncle. Best regards, Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:52:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism From: 2sil...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com A belated thank you to those who helped me with this. My father had a stroke & I am in CA caring for him & my mother & I failed to thank you for your help and ideas
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Nancy Jean, We’ll just keep on truckin and fleshing out the lines. We are bound to find a connection at some point (hopefully!). Rosemarie From: nancy jean baptiste Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 2:33 PM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Hi Rosemarie, I have many Silveira in my Sao Jorge linesboth mom's and dad's. My mom's were always Silveira de Lemos until coming to the staes when they became just Lemos. My dads fathers line were Silveira Leonardes and just Silveira. I still feel like our connection is in the de Lemos line but since mine were from Rosais and yours Norte Grande who knowshowever, I recently found one of my lines in Norte Grandenot de Lemos though, at least not apparently. Nancy Jean From: rcap...@redshift.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 09:20:23 -0700 Nancy Jean, I sympathize with you! I feel the same about the connections. I should have tested my Mom too and now it’s too late. The hard thing for me is that Kenneth Silva is connected to me on my grandmother’s side and also the grandfather’s side! double cousin but a generation off. He also is not really a Silva but a Silveira! All of the brothers that came her chopped it down to Silva but in the Old Country is really Silveira de Azevedo! Why did they do this, who knows but it is making the trail so hard for us to follow! Talk to you again soon, Prima! Prima, Rosemarie From: nancy jean baptiste Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:14 AM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Hi Rosemarie, I know exactly what you mean with the frustration regarding good paper trails and can't find the connection! Especially frustrating on the 2nd to 3rd cousin ones! I see clues in the gedcoms but nothing definitivein truth I think it's right in front of my eyes but I just don't know it due to our ancestral habit of adopting whatever name they may fancy at the time. I never knew my ggrandfather, Manuel Furtado Cardoso used any other name until looking at the baptisms of his children on CCA and discovering that on one of them he used his fathers name of Silva.which 2 of his brothers used in the states although he never did. So many of my matches list surnames that match mineespecially Cardoso, Silva, Gracia, Andrade, Castro and on and on..I see the Veira name which is one of the names my brick wall grandfather, Jose Enos usedalong with 3 other surnames he used! My biggest regret with this DNA stuff is that I tested my own MTDNA instead of my mothers..at the time I tested there wasn't any Family Finder and I never thought I'd need moms..alas, now it's too late and I can see it would have been a wealth of knowledge..it also would have proven or disproven what I've come to suspect, that my mom and dad may have been distant cousins without knowing it! There are so many shades of grey that would be cleared up by thatat least I think they would. If they only had NO interisland connection I could eliminate better...but all of mom's people were from Sao Jorge EXCEPT her paternal grandmother who was from Pico and we think was a Gracia.so that gives her a potential Pico connectionall of dads people were from Pico and Santa Maria EXCEPT his paternal grandfather who was from Sao Jorge! Oh dear... Well, I'll never suffer from boredom since they'll always be another mystery to search. Also, I see you are the contact for Kenneth Silva who shows up as 4th-remote on my Uncle John Baptiste.but not on me.yet you show up on me as 5th -remote but not to Uncle John. Best to you my cousin! Nancy Jean From: rcap...@redshift.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 08:25:36 -0700 Nancy Jean, I connect to Buzzie and Dennis Wilbert Silva too. So, this would mean that we are ‘in common with’ each other and Fawn. If we could just figure this out, so frustrating to have a large paper trail and still not connect! Rosemarie From: nancy jean baptiste Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:58 AM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Hi Fawn, I hope your father is improving. Both myself and my Uncle John Cardoza Baptiste match Buzzie Mendonca.he shows as 4th -remote match to me and 5th-remote to my uncle.I would have thought it would be just the opposite since Uncle John's a generation earlier. I noticed you are the contact for Dennis Wilbert Silva who is a 4
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Nancy Jean...did you know that my maiden name was Lemos. My ancestors are from Sao Jorge and were Machado there and then Machado de Lemos. Most of my family was from Velas on Sao Jorge. Rosemarie and I have a connection so I'm thinking that maybe you and I do as well? Edna (dave-e...@comcast.net Oh, that men would give thanks to the LORD for His goodness, and for His wonderful works to the children of men! Psalm 107:21 On Apr 26, 2014, at 3:58 PM, rcapodc wrote: > Nancy Jean, > > We'll just keep on truckin and fleshing out the lines. We are bound to find a > connection at some point (hopefully!). > > Rosemarie > > From: nancy jean baptiste > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 2:33 PM > To: azores group > Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism > > Hi Rosemarie, > > I have many Silveira in my Sao Jorge linesboth mom's and dad's. My mom's > were always Silveira de Lemos until coming to the staes when they became > just Lemos. My dads fathers line were Silveira Leonardes and just Silveira. I > still feel like our connection is in the de Lemos line but since mine were > from Rosais and yours Norte Grande who knowshowever, I recently found one > of my lines in Norte Grandenot de Lemos though, at least not apparently. > > Nancy Jean > > From: rcap...@redshift.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 09:20:23 -0700 > > Nancy Jean, > > I sympathize with you! I feel the same about the connections. I should have > tested my Mom too and now it's too late. The hard thing for me is that > Kenneth Silva is connected to me on my grandmother's side and also the > grandfather's side! double cousin but a generation off. He also is not really > a Silva but a Silveira! All of the brothers that came her chopped it down to > Silva but in the Old Country is really Silveira de Azevedo! Why did they do > this, who knows but it is making the trail so hard for us to follow! > > Talk to you again soon, Prima! > Prima, Rosemarie > > From: nancy jean baptiste > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:14 AM > To: azores group > Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism > > Hi Rosemarie, > > I know exactly what you mean with the frustration regarding good paper trails > and can't find the connection! Especially frustrating on the 2nd to 3rd > cousin ones! I see clues in the gedcoms but nothing definitivein truth I > think it's right in front of my eyes but I just don't know it due to our > ancestral habit of adopting whatever name they may fancy at the time. I never > knew my ggrandfather, Manuel Furtado Cardoso used any other name until > looking at the baptisms of his children on CCA and discovering that on one of > them he used his fathers name of Silva.which 2 of his brothers used in > the states although he never did. So many of my matches list surnames that > match mineespecially Cardoso, Silva, Gracia, Andrade, Castro and on and > on..I see the Veira name which is one of the names my brick wall > grandfather, Jose Enos usedalong with 3 other surnames he used! > > My biggest regret with this DNA stuff is that I tested my own MTDNA instead > of my mothers..at the time I tested there wasn't any Family Finder and I > never thought I'd need moms..alas, now it's too late and I can see it > would have been a wealth of knowledge..it also would have proven or > disproven what I've come to suspect, that my mom and dad may have been > distant cousins without knowing it! There are so many shades of grey that > would be cleared up by thatat least I think they would. If they only had > NO interisland connection I could eliminate better...but all of mom's people > were from Sao Jorge EXCEPT her paternal grandmother who was from Pico and we > think was a Gracia.so that gives her a potential Pico connectionall > of dads people were from Pico and Santa Maria EXCEPT his paternal grandfather > who was from Sao Jorge! Oh dear... > > Well, I'll never suffer from boredom since they'll always be another mystery > to search. > > Also, I see you are the contact for Kenneth Silva who shows up as 4th-remote > on my Uncle John Baptiste.but not on me.yet you show up on me as 5th > -remote but not to Uncle John. > > Best to you my cousin! > > Nancy Jean > > From: rcap...@redshift.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 08:25:36 -0700
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Hi Edna, Have you had the Family Finder test? My de Lemos family was from Rosais but I found all the baptisms in Velas records on the CCA my great grandmother, Francisca Rosa de Lemos had 8 brothers and sisters all born in Sao Jorge. Many/most of them came to the states. I do have Machados in this line.perhaps we do have a connection! My grandmother and some of her siblings went to New Bedford.but I have little information regarding her siblings. Best regards, Nancy Jean Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism From: dave-e...@comcast.net Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 16:05:46 -0700 To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy Jean...did you know that my maiden name was Lemos. My ancestors are from Sao Jorge and were Machado there and then Machado de Lemos. Most of my family was from Velas on Sao Jorge. Rosemarie and I have a connection so I'm thinking that maybe you and I do as well? Edna (dave-edna@comcast.netOh, that men would give thanks to the LORD for His goodness, and for His wonderful works to the children of men!Psalm 107:21 On Apr 26, 2014, at 3:58 PM, rcapodc wrote: Nancy Jean, We'll just keep on truckin and fleshing out the lines. We are bound to find a connection at some point (hopefully!). Rosemarie From: nancy jean baptiste Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 2:33 PM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Hi Rosemarie, I have many Silveira in my Sao Jorge linesboth mom's and dad's. My mom's were always Silveira de Lemos until coming to the staes when they became just Lemos. My dads fathers line were Silveira Leonardes and just Silveira. I still feel like our connection is in the de Lemos line but since mine were from Rosais and yours Norte Grande who knowshowever, I recently found one of my lines in Norte Grandenot de Lemos though, at least not apparently. Nancy Jean From: rcap...@redshift.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 09:20:23 -0700 Nancy Jean, I sympathize with you! I feel the same about the connections. I should have tested my Mom too and now it's too late. The hard thing for me is that Kenneth Silva is connected to me on my grandmother's side and also the grandfather's side! double cousin but a generation off. He also is not really a Silva but a Silveira! All of the brothers that came her chopped it down to Silva but in the Old Country is really Silveira de Azevedo! Why did they do this, who knows but it is making the trail so hard for us to follow! Talk to you again soon, Prima! Prima, Rosemarie From: nancy jean baptiste Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:14 AM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism Hi Rosemarie, I know exactly what you mean with the frustration regarding good paper trails and can't find the connection! Especially frustrating on the 2nd to 3rd cousin ones! I see clues in the gedcoms but nothing definitivein truth I think it's right in front of my eyes but I just don't know it due to our ancestral habit of adopting whatever name they may fancy at the time. I never knew my ggrandfather, Manuel Furtado Cardoso used any other name until looking at the baptisms of his children on CCA and discovering that on one of them he used his fathers name of Silva.which 2 of his brothers used in the states although he never did. So many of my matches list surnames that match mineespecially Cardoso, Silva, Gracia, Andrade, Castro and on and on..I see the Veira name which is one of the names my brick wall grandfather, Jose Enos usedalong with 3 other surnames he used! My biggest regret with this DNA stuff is that I tested my own MTDNA instead of my mothers..at the time I tested there wasn't any Family Finder and I never thought I'd need moms..alas, now it's too late and I can see it would have been a wealth of knowledge..it also would have proven or disproven what I've come to suspect, that my mom and dad may have been distant cousins without knowing it! There are so many shades of grey that would be cleared up by thatat least I think they would. If they only had NO interisland connection I could eliminate better...but all of mom's people were from Sao Jorge EXCEPT her paternal grandmother who was from Pico and we think was a Gracia.so that gives her a potential Pico connectionall of dads people were from Pico and Santa Maria EXCEPT his paternal grandfather who was from Sao Jorge! Oh dear... Well, I'll never suffer from boredom since they'll always be another mystery to search. Also, I see you are the contact for Kenneth Silva who shows up as 4th-remote on my Uncle John Baptiste.but not on me.yet you
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Hello Nancy Jean, Thank you for thinking of my father. He is doing some better & I will be going home to St Louis on Friday. Dennis Silva is my husband & Buzzie Mendonca is his mother's brother. Dennis' mother passed away so we asked Uncle Buzzie to do a DNA test for us and he kindly accepted. Just wondering if you are Portuguese thru your mother & your father. If you are Azorean on both sides of your family, like my husband is, the DNA matches you mention might be closer for you because you are related closer on the family side that your uncle is not related to. Am I making sense?? You might be related to my husband on both sides of his family, his mother's side (Buzzie) and his father's side (Dennis' DNA) but the DNA match will give you the closest one, in this case 4th remote. I think that could explain this. Cheri, is that right??? Rosemarie, how fun to be connected to you! You worked with my cousin, Noreene, and you are a cousin to my husband!! Our Silva's were also Silveira & are from Calheta & then Ribeira Seca & then it goes to Topo. Have no Lemos in the family tree but have Silveira, Soares Sigueira, Bettencourt Avila, Alveres Silveira & others from Rosais. Also family from Pico & Faial & Terceira but the majority are from Sao Jorge & Pico. Would love to find out how we all connect!! Fawn Silva St. Louis, MO On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 9:58 AM, nancy jean baptiste < fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Fawn, > > I hope your father is improving. > > Both myself and my Uncle John Cardoza Baptiste match Buzzie > Mendonca.he shows as 4th -remote match to me and 5th-remote to my > uncle.I would have thought it would be just the opposite since Uncle > John's a generation earlier. I noticed you are the contact for Dennis > Wilbert Silva who is a 4th-remote match to me but not to my uncle. > > Best regards, > Nancy Jean > > -------------- > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:52:39 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism > From: 2sil...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > > A belated thank you to those who helped me with this. My father had a > stroke & I am in CA caring for him & my mother & I failed to thank you for > your help and ideas. > > Mary & Nancy, my husband's uncle also had his DNA done for us & is on the > site as Buzzie Mendonca. My husband has a number of family lines that link > to Rosais and then the one to Norte Grande. > > Thanks again, > Fawn Silva > St. Louis, MO > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:11 PM, nancy jean baptiste < > fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I'm also watching this thread with interest since I have connections to > Rosais and Norte Grande. These witness names are similar to my names. I > haven't noticed a FF match though to others from here for me or my uncle, > John Baptiste.except to Rosemarie as a 5th to remote. > > Nancy Jean > > -- > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:45:17 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism > From: busybo...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > > It looks to me like the priest (Paulo Silveira Bettencourt) baptized the > child because they thought he might die. Witnesses were (my guess) Jose de > Souza Silveira Bettencourt and Joao Jose de Bettencourt. > > I am interested since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande, plus > a DNA match (5th to remote cousin) between myself and your husband. But I > don't see an immediate connection to these people. :) > > Mary > > On Thursday, March 20, 2014, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Sorry. I forgot to include the link on that > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839_item1/P126.html > > Thank you, Doug and Antonio. > > Fawn Silva > St. Louis, MO > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I'm having trouble understanding a baptism on the CCA site. It is for > Antonio, son of Joao Jacinto de Sigueira, native of Rosais & Barbara > Joaquina Rosa, native of Norte Grande, born on the 25th of May 1834 & I > think baptized on the 29th in the home. I don't know what the rest says & > google translate is absolutely no help on this one. I see witnesses but no > padrinhos. Did this child die? I checked the obitos & could not find > him. Why was he baptized in the home? The baptism is on the top left of > the pg. > > Help! Please. > > Thanks, > Fawn Silva > St. Louis, MO > > >
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
Hi Fawn,Since we also match Buzzie, are you planning to post a gedcom for him so we can figure out our connection?Thanks,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism From: Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> Date: Wed, April 30, 2014 11:30 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Hello Nancy Jean,Thank you for thinking of my father. He is doing some better & I will be going home to St Louis on Friday.Dennis Silva is my husband & Buzzie Mendonca is his mother's brother. Dennis' mother passed away so we asked Uncle Buzzie to do a DNA test for us and he kindly accepted. Just wondering if you are Portuguese thru your mother & your father. If you are Azorean on both sides of your family, like my husband is, the DNA matches you mention might be closer for you because you are related closer on the family side that your uncle is not related to. Am I making sense?? You might be related to my husband on both sides of his family, his mother's side (Buzzie) and his father's side (Dennis' DNA) but the DNA match will give you the closest one, in this case 4th remote. I think that could explain this. Cheri, is that right???Rosemarie, how fun to be connected to you! You worked with my cousin, Noreene, and you are a cousin to my husband!!Our Silva's were also Silveira & are from Calheta & then Ribeira Seca & then it goes to Topo. Have no Lemos in the family tree but have Silveira, Soares Sigueira, Bettencourt Avila, Alveres Silveira & others from Rosais. Also family from Pico & Faial & Terceira but the majority are from Sao Jorge & Pico. Would love to find out how we all connect!!Fawn SilvaSt. Louis, MO On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 9:58 AM, nancy jean baptiste <fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Fawn, I hope your father is improving. Both myself and my Uncle John Cardoza Baptiste match Buzzie Mendonca.he shows as 4th -remote match to me and 5th-remote to my uncle.I would have thought it would be just the opposite since Uncle John's a generation earlier. I noticed you are the contact for Dennis Wilbert Silva who is a 4th-remote match to me but not to my uncle. Best regards,Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:52:39 -0500Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge BaptismFrom: 2sil...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.comA belated thank you to those who helped me with this. My father had a stroke & I am in CA caring for him & my mother & I failed to thank you for your help and ideas. Mary & Nancy, my husband's uncle also had his DNA done for us & is on the site as Buzzie Mendonca. My husband has a number of family lines that link to Rosais and then the one to Norte Grande. Thanks again,Fawn SilvaSt. Louis, MOOn Thursday, March 20, 2014, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry. I forgot to include the link on thathttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839_item1/P126.html Thank you, Doug and Antonio.Fawn SilvaSt. Louis, MOOn Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Everyone,I'm having trouble understanding a baptism on the CCA site. It is for Antonio, son of Joao Jacinto de Sigueira, native of Rosais & Barbara Joaquina Rosa, native of Norte Grande, born on the 25th of May 1834 & I think baptized on the 29th in the home. I don't know what the rest says & google translate is absolutely no help on this one. I see witnesses but no padrinhos. Did this child die? I checked the obitos & could not find him. Why was he baptized in the home? The baptism is on the top left of the pg. Help! Please.Thanks,Fawn SilvaSt. Louis, MO -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
Dear Fawn, I am STILL trying to make that connection. Cheri has been working
with me some on how to figure it all out but I’m not the brightest bulb in the
chandelier when it comes to this stuff! LOL
Rosemarie
From: Fawn Silva
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:30 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
Hello Nancy Jean,
Thank you for thinking of my father. He is doing some better & I will be going
home to St Louis on Friday.
Dennis Silva is my husband & Buzzie Mendonca is his mother's brother. Dennis'
mother passed away so we asked Uncle Buzzie to do a DNA test for us and he
kindly accepted.
Just wondering if you are Portuguese thru your mother & your father. If you
are Azorean on both sides of your family, like my husband is, the DNA matches
you mention might be closer for you because you are related closer on the
family side that your uncle is not related to. Am I making sense?? You might
be related to my husband on both sides of his family, his mother's side
(Buzzie) and his father's side (Dennis' DNA) but the DNA match will give you
the closest one, in this case 4th remote. I think that could explain this.
Cheri, is that right???
Rosemarie, how fun to be connected to you! You worked with my cousin, Noreene,
and you are a cousin to my husband!!
Our Silva's were also Silveira & are from Calheta & then Ribeira Seca & then it
goes to Topo. Have no Lemos in the family tree but have Silveira, Soares
Sigueira, Bettencourt Avila, Alveres Silveira & others from Rosais. Also
family from Pico & Faial & Terceira but the majority are from Sao Jorge & Pico.
Would love to find out how we all connect!!
Fawn Silva
St. Louis, MO
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 9:58 AM, nancy jean baptiste
wrote:
Hi Fawn,
I hope your father is improving.
Both myself and my Uncle John Cardoza Baptiste match Buzzie Mendonca.he
shows as 4th -remote match to me and 5th-remote to my uncle.I would have
thought it would be just the opposite since Uncle John's a generation earlier.
I noticed you are the contact for Dennis Wilbert Silva who is a 4th-remote
match to me but not to my uncle.
Best regards,
Nancy Jean
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:52:39 -0500
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
From: 2sil...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
A belated thank you to those who helped me with this. My father had a stroke
& I am in CA caring for him & my mother & I failed to thank you for your help
and ideas.
Mary & Nancy, my husband's uncle also had his DNA done for us & is on the
site as Buzzie Mendonca. My husband has a number of family lines that link to
Rosais and then the one to Norte Grande.
Thanks again,
Fawn Silva
St. Louis, MO
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:11 PM, nancy jean baptiste
wrote:
I'm also watching this thread with interest since I have connections to
Rosais and Norte Grande. These witness names are similar to my names. I haven't
noticed a FF match though to others from here for me or my uncle, John
Baptiste.except to Rosemarie as a 5th to remote.
Nancy Jean
----------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:45:17 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
From: busybo...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
It looks to me like the priest (Paulo Silveira Bettencourt) baptized the
child because they thought he might die. Witnesses were (my guess) Jose de
Souza Silveira Bettencourt and Joao Jose de Bettencourt.
I am interested since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande, plus a
DNA match (5th to remote cousin) between myself and your husband. But I don't
see an immediate connection to these people. :)
Mary
On Thursday, March 20, 2014, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry. I forgot to include the link on that
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839_item1/P126.html
Thank you, Doug and Antonio.
Fawn Silva
St. Louis, MO
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'm having trouble understanding a baptism on the CCA site. It is for
Antonio, son of Joao Jacinto de Sigueira, native of Rosais & Barbara Joaquina
Rosa, native of Norte Grande, born on the 25th of May 1834 & I think baptized
on the 29th in the home. I don't know what the rest says & google translate is
absolutely no help on this one. I see witnesses but no padrinhos. Did this
child die? I checked
