Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of the mother of Joao
Hello Maria, Glad I could help. No, I do not have an index nor are they in my family tree. I do have Resendes in my family tree from Achada. It's not difficult to find related records (baptism) of children from the same parents. Once you find one, you can usually locate the others fairly quickly; provided the parents did not move to another parish. Were you able to locate Jose's marriage to Miguelina? On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 7:20:57 AM UTC-7, Maria wrote: Thank you so much for taking the time to write and sending this information. You have been so helpful in sending the links! I did a couple of happy dances this morning. Thank you so much. I noticed the priest didn't include Luis' parents but they are in the other records. How on earth did you find these so quickly. It takes me a long time going page by page. Was there an index or do u have these people in your tree? I noticed the Resende name is in your email. Maria Elena On Mar 18, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Aaron Pereira perei...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Hello, I've spent some time studying Achada and Nordestinho, Nordeste records and I've seen both male and female interchange surnames. example, Jose de Faria, I found his marriage record and first child born, using the name Jose Correa Pimentel. His grandma was a Pimentel and his great grandma was a Correa. I've also seen inter-change of names with Silva-Brandoa (Nordestinho), Simas-Resendes (Achada), and Pimentel-Resendes (Achada). In most of these cases, they were simply using either the father or mothers surname.In the case of Jose de Faria, it took a little extra work and going back in the family tree to figure it out. As for the pais incognito, a DNA test could help elucidate your husband's pedigree. As for the mother of Jose (the son), I can't make it out. I tried looking for Joze de Almeida and ? da Conceicao's marriage record but I couldn't find it. I looked in Sao Sebastiao and Agua Retorta Here is Jose's baptism (father), left hand side; take a look at his maternal grandparents surnames. I think it agrees with your original assumptions and findings regarding Jose and Luis de Almeida. Good work! http://goo.gl/NmK2X0 brother Francisco de Almeida's baptism http://goo.gl/tVR9n2 brother Luis's baptismhttp://goo.gl/hnn8jc On Monday, March 17, 2014 8:40:54 PM UTC-7, Maria wrote: Upper left hand page- for JOZE I'm was searching for children born to Luiz D'Almeida from the parish in Agua Retorta in Sao Miguel, (the same exact parish as is mentioned in this record) and his wife Luiza de Jesus. However, I came across this record where the names of the grandparents are so similar, that I wondered if Luiz D'Almeida is a brother to Jose D'Almeida. the name of the parents for both Luiz and Jose are both Jose D'Almeida and both men's mother is Miguelina. However, For Luiz the mother is Miguelina De Torres and for this Jose the mother is Miguelina de Resende (?) if I read it correctly.Miguelina is not a common name so I wonder if it IS the same person, it's,possible she used both names: De Torres and De Resende. Any thoughts? Can anyone help me out with the name of the mother of the baby in this record, please? The best I could make out was Jesnivea de Concinco(?). I know that doesn't make sense) There's several coincidences: both men came from the same parish; both men have a father with the same name and a mother with the same first name which is an uncommon name and both men had wives with Pais incognitos. Ugh!(So I came across my first encounter with Pais incognito and I don't know if that's going to mean I hit a dead end.). It's a shame because it's my husband's great grandmother Here's the record. I appreciate any help. Thank you http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1857-1860/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1857-1860_item1/P67.html Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on
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Aaron; I have not searched for the marriage of Jose D'Almeida and Miguelina De Torres or De Resende YET. I've been looking for the marriage of their son Luis to Luiza de Jesus. In the process I found an. Index in the beginning of the book with names for more of their children so today I'll follow up on them and see when they started having children but I need to find my husband's great grandparents- the Luis and Luiza couple. I'm HOPING I can find Luiza's lineage. She used the name Luiza de Jesus CORREA. So I'm wondering where the CORREA came from but maybe the marriage record will give a clue. Aaron, do you use familysearch.org to enter your names? I'm thinking that I need to get a program in addition to the Family search Family Tree because I'm getting more and more names. I'm LDS and like using the family tree because (like I learned from Cheri Mello) that program is in the cloud so I can access it from anywhere. But for everyday going bk and forth in researching, copying records and verifying, I think I may need another program. Thank you so much for your willingness to help me. Maria Elena On Mar 20, 2014, at 3:22 AM, Aaron Pereira pereirah...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Maria, Glad I could help. No, I do not have an index nor are they in my family tree. I do have Resendes in my family tree from Achada. It's not difficult to find related records (baptism) of children from the same parents. Once you find one, you can usually locate the others fairly quickly; provided the parents did not move to another parish. Were you able to locate Jose's marriage to Miguelina? On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 7:20:57 AM UTC-7, Maria wrote: Thank you so much for taking the time to write and sending this information. You have been so helpful in sending the links! I did a couple of happy dances this morning. Thank you so much. I noticed the priest didn't include Luis' parents but they are in the other records. How on earth did you find these so quickly. It takes me a long time going page by page. Was there an index or do u have these people in your tree? I noticed the Resende name is in your email. Maria Elena On Mar 18, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Aaron Pereira perei...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've spent some time studying Achada and Nordestinho, Nordeste records and I've seen both male and female interchange surnames. example, Jose de Faria, I found his marriage record and first child born, using the name Jose Correa Pimentel. His grandma was a Pimentel and his great grandma was a Correa. I've also seen inter-change of names with Silva-Brandoa (Nordestinho), Simas-Resendes (Achada), and Pimentel-Resendes (Achada). In most of these cases, they were simply using either the father or mothers surname.In the case of Jose de Faria, it took a little extra work and going back in the family tree to figure it out. As for the pais incognito, a DNA test could help elucidate your husband's pedigree. As for the mother of Jose (the son), I can't make it out. I tried looking for Joze de Almeida and ? da Conceicao's marriage record but I couldn't find it. I looked in Sao Sebastiao and Agua Retorta Here is Jose's baptism (father), left hand side; take a look at his maternal grandparents surnames. I think it agrees with your original assumptions and findings regarding Jose and Luis de Almeida. Good work! http://goo.gl/NmK2X0 brother Francisco de Almeida's baptism http://goo.gl/tVR9n2 brother Luis's baptismhttp://goo.gl/hnn8jc On Monday, March 17, 2014 8:40:54 PM UTC-7, Maria wrote: Upper left hand page- for JOZE I'm was searching for children born to Luiz D'Almeida from the parish in Agua Retorta in Sao Miguel, (the same exact parish as is mentioned in this record) and his wife Luiza de Jesus. However, I came across this record where the names of the grandparents are so similar, that I wondered if Luiz D'Almeida is a brother to Jose D'Almeida. the name of the parents for both Luiz and Jose are both Jose D'Almeida and both men's mother is Miguelina. However, For Luiz the mother is Miguelina De Torres and for this Jose the mother is Miguelina de Resende (?) if I read it correctly.Miguelina is not a common name so I wonder if it IS the same person, it's,possible she used both names: De Torres and De Resende. Any thoughts? Can anyone help me out with the name of the mother of the baby in this record, please? The best I could make out was Jesnivea de Concinco(?). I know that doesn't make sense) There's several coincidences: both men came from the same parish; both men have a father with the same name and a mother with the same first name which is an uncommon name and both men had
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of the mother of Joao
You may also want to look at Legacy at http://legacyfamilytree.com. It allows you to link to your FamilySearch Family Tree and download (or upload) information) from and to your Family Tree online. You choose what data you want to include (sort of like FamilyTreeMaker and Ancestry). You can download a free version (without the FS FamilyTree integration) to see if you like how it handles your data before purchasing the full program for about $29.95. There are several options available that include manuals and other products. You can decide if you want to synchronize your data between the two-I don’t because of other people making changes on the tree. Diane George From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Lima Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:16 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com; azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of the mother of Joao Aaron; I have not searched for the marriage of Jose D'Almeida and Miguelina De Torres or De Resende YET. I've been looking for the marriage of their son Luis to Luiza de Jesus. In the process I found an. Index in the beginning of the book with names for more of their children so today I'll follow up on them and see when they started having children but I need to find my husband's great grandparents- the Luis and Luiza couple. I'm HOPING I can find Luiza's lineage. She used the name Luiza de Jesus CORREA. So I'm wondering where the CORREA came from but maybe the marriage record will give a clue. Aaron, do you use familysearch.org http://familysearch.org to enter your names? I'm thinking that I need to get a program in addition to the Family search Family Tree because I'm getting more and more names. I'm LDS and like using the family tree because (like I learned from Cheri Mello) that program is in the cloud so I can access it from anywhere. But for everyday going bk and forth in researching, copying records and verifying, I think I may need another program. Thank you so much for your willingness to help me. Maria Elena On Mar 20, 2014, at 3:22 AM, Aaron Pereira pereirah...@gmail.com mailto:pereirah...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Maria, Glad I could help. No, I do not have an index nor are they in my family tree. I do have Resendes in my family tree from Achada. It's not difficult to find related records (baptism) of children from the same parents. Once you find one, you can usually locate the others fairly quickly; provided the parents did not move to another parish. Were you able to locate Jose's marriage to Miguelina? On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 7:20:57 AM UTC-7, Maria wrote: Thank you so much for taking the time to write and sending this information. You have been so helpful in sending the links! I did a couple of happy dances this morning. Thank you so much. I noticed the priest didn't include Luis' parents but they are in the other records. How on earth did you find these so quickly. It takes me a long time going page by page. Was there an index or do u have these people in your tree? I noticed the Resende name is in your email. Maria Elena On Mar 18, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Aaron Pereira perei...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hello, I've spent some time studying Achada and Nordestinho, Nordeste records and I've seen both male and female interchange surnames. example, Jose de Faria, I found his marriage record and first child born, using the name Jose Correa Pimentel. His grandma was a Pimentel and his great grandma was a Correa. I've also seen inter-change of names with Silva-Brandoa (Nordestinho), Simas-Resendes (Achada), and Pimentel-Resendes (Achada). In most of these cases, they were simply using either the father or mothers surname.In the case of Jose de Faria, it took a little extra work and going back in the family tree to figure it out. As for the pais incognito, a DNA test could help elucidate your husband's pedigree. As for the mother of Jose (the son), I can't make it out. I tried looking for Joze de Almeida and ? da Conceicao's marriage record but I couldn't find it. I looked in Sao Sebastiao and Agua Retorta Here is Jose's baptism (father), left hand side; take a look at his maternal grandparents surnames. I think it agrees with your original assumptions and findings regarding Jose and Luis de Almeida. Good work! http://goo.gl/NmK2X0 brother Francisco de Almeida's baptism http://goo.gl/tVR9n2 brother Luis's baptismhttp://goo.gl/hnn8jc On Monday, March 17, 2014 8:40:54 PM UTC-7, Maria wrote: Upper left hand page- for JOZE I'm was searching for children born to Luiz D'Almeida from the parish in Agua Retorta in Sao Miguel, (the same exact parish as is mentioned in this record) and his wife Luiza de Jesus
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Happy to help out, but I'm not sure who the dispatcher was :) Anyway, at least it might help w/ moving beyond Miguelina. There were some other options, but, Sao Pedro was mentioned as Miguelina's native parish, and it was in Ponta Delgada, so, I went with it. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Fred I see that you're in Stonington, my old stomping grounds. You wouldn't happen to have any Cohen or Vieira relatives living nearby, would you? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Thank you so much for taking the time to write and sending this information. You have been so helpful in sending the links! I did a couple of happy dances this morning. Thank you so much. I noticed the priest didn't include Luis' parents but they are in the other records. How on earth did you find these so quickly. It takes me a long time going page by page. Was there an index or do u have these people in your tree? I noticed the Resende name is in your email. Maria Elena On Mar 18, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Aaron Pereira pereirah...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've spent some time studying Achada and Nordestinho, Nordeste records and I've seen both male and female interchange surnames. example, Jose de Faria, I found his marriage record and first child born, using the name Jose Correa Pimentel. His grandma was a Pimentel and his great grandma was a Correa. I've also seen inter-change of names with Silva-Brandoa (Nordestinho), Simas-Resendes (Achada), and Pimentel-Resendes (Achada). In most of these cases, they were simply using either the father or mothers surname.In the case of Jose de Faria, it took a little extra work and going back in the family tree to figure it out. As for the pais incognito, a DNA test could help elucidate your husband's pedigree. As for the mother of Jose (the son), I can't make it out. I tried looking for Joze de Almeida and ? da Conceicao's marriage record but I couldn't find it. I looked in Sao Sebastiao and Agua Retorta Here is Jose's baptism (father), left hand side; take a look at his maternal grandparents surnames. I think it agrees with your original assumptions and findings regarding Jose and Luis de Almeida. Good work! http://goo.gl/NmK2X0 brother Francisco de Almeida's baptism http://goo.gl/tVR9n2 brother Luis's baptismhttp://goo.gl/hnn8jc On Monday, March 17, 2014 8:40:54 PM UTC-7, Maria wrote: Upper left hand page- for JOZE I'm was searching for children born to Luiz D'Almeida from the parish in Agua Retorta in Sao Miguel, (the same exact parish as is mentioned in this record) and his wife Luiza de Jesus. However, I came across this record where the names of the grandparents are so similar, that I wondered if Luiz D'Almeida is a brother to Jose D'Almeida. the name of the parents for both Luiz and Jose are both Jose D'Almeida and both men's mother is Miguelina. However, For Luiz the mother is Miguelina De Torres and for this Jose the mother is Miguelina de Resende (?) if I read it correctly.Miguelina is not a common name so I wonder if it IS the same person, it's,possible she used both names: De Torres and De Resende. Any thoughts? Can anyone help me out with the name of the mother of the baby in this record, please? The best I could make out was Jesnivea de Concinco(?). I know that doesn't make sense) There's several coincidences: both men came from the same parish; both men have a father with the same name and a mother with the same first name which is an uncommon name and both men had wives with Pais incognitos. Ugh!(So I came across my first encounter with Pais incognito and I don't know if that's going to mean I hit a dead end.). It's a shame because it's my husband's great grandmother Here's the record. I appreciate any help. Thank you http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1857-1860/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1857-1860_item1/P67.html Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Attached is a link for a marriage that was celebrated in the parish of Sao Pedro, in Ponta Delgado in 1856 between Jose d'Almeida and Maria de Jesus. The time frame is right and the Maria's parents are named. The next step is to research Maria's, and/or Miguelina's, baptismal record with the names of the newly discovered parents. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1853-1860/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1853-1860_item1/P46.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Dano, Thanks for this information. I have printed it and will try to do the translation. The script is very light, so not sure how much success I am going to have... Are you somehow connected to these people as well? Or just a consummate researcher sent to me by God... My last surviving Uncle died a month ago, and he would have loved to see this connection (I think) since he was the one to pursue the Miguelina issue (all the other brothers, just legally changed their names to match what was on their social security records). Thanks again, Fred On Mar 18, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Dano wrote: Attached is a link for a marriage that was celebrated in the parish of Sao Pedro, in Ponta Delgado in 1856 between Jose d'Almeida and Maria de Jesus. The time frame is right and the Maria's parents are named. The next step is to research Maria's, and/or Miguelina's, baptismal record with the names of the newly discovered parents. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1853-1860/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1853-1860_item1/P46.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. Thank you, Frederick Souza 19 Owen Drive Stonington, CT 06378-1012 860-535-2670 mailto:fsouz...@comcast.net -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
