RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-08 Thread 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy
Thanks, Sam, for the offer to help me.  My version of FTM (16) does not have 
"Publish" on it.  Right now, I am dealing with a health issue so my mind is not 
focused on my computer.  Thanks again, Celeste
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Mon, 8/8/16, 'Sam Koester' via Azores Genealogy  
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 Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
 To: "'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy" 
 Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 5:18 PM
 
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 Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The
 elusive Maria Christo  Thank you, Sam.  I use FTM
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  On Sat, 8/6/16, 'Sam
 Koester' via Azores Genealogy
  wrote:   Subject: RE:
 [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo To: "'celeste
 perry' via Azores Genealogy"
  Date: Saturday, August 6,
 2016, 8:11 PM  Celeste;  Not sure
 what version of FTM
 you have but; on mine here is how to do it.  1.  Open FTM   2. Click on 
“people” at the top of
 the page 3. Go to the person you want to make the family group
 sheet for  4. Click on “Publish” at the top of the page 5. 
 Under “Publication
 Types” scroll down until “Relationships Report”
 is highlighted.
 6.  Double click on
 “Family Group Sheet”     On the right you can check various boxes
 depending on what you want included.  Once you have the report the
 way you want it go to the upper right hand corner and click
 on the far right icon (share).  Choose “export as pdf” 
 When the window pops up fill in whatever you want or fill in
 nothing and click on
 “ok”.  In the window that opens make sure the top address field says This PC
 > Desktop; then in the bottom address bar name your file
 or just leave what is
 automatically filled in, just be sure you will remember
 what it is called and
 click on “Save” .   Next:  1. Open your email program and fill in who the
 email is going to and the
 subject.    2. At the top of the page on the
 left, hopefully, it says “insert”.  Click on
 it.    3. There should be a paperclip
 icon or perhaps on your email program maybe it says
 “attachment” or some abbreviation of attachment.  Click on
 it.  It should open a window.  Make sure at the top of that
 window it shows the word “desktop”.  If it does
 not, scroll on the left until you see “Desktop” and
 highlight it.    3.  Scroll down until you see
 the name of the pdf you just
 created.    4.  Click on
 it.    5.  The pdf title should now
 show in the lower address bar.   
 6.  Click on
 “open”.  Your pdf
 file should now be
 attached to your email.  Just click “send” and you’ve done
 it.  Hope this helps, Sam  Sent from Mail for Windows 10     --   For 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-08 Thread 'Sam Koester' via Azores Genealogy
If it doesn’t work, let me know where you run in to trouble.  Maybe, I’ll be 
able to help.  Good luck.

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From: 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-07 Thread 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy
Thank you, Sam.  I use FTM 16 and will give your suggestion a try.

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Sat, 8/6/16, 'Sam Koester' via Azores Genealogy  
wrote:

 Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
 To: "'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy" 
 Date: Saturday, August 6, 2016, 8:11 PM
 
 Celeste;  Not sure what
 version of FTM you have but; on mine here is how to do it. 
 1.  Open FTM  
 2. Click on
 “people” at the top of the page 3. Go to the person you want
 to make the family group sheet for  4. Click on “Publish” at
 the top of the page 5.  Under “Publication
 Types” scroll down until “Relationships Report” is
 highlighted. 6. 
 Double click on “Family Group Sheet”     On the right you can
 check various boxes depending on what you want included. 
 Once you have the report the way you want it go to the upper
 right hand corner and click on the far right icon (share). 
 Choose “export as pdf”  When the window pops up fill in
 whatever you want or fill in nothing and click on
 “ok”.  In the window that opens make sure the top
 address field says This PC > Desktop; then in the bottom
 address bar name your file or just leave what is
 automatically filled in, just be sure you will remember what
 it is called and click on “Save” .   Next:  1. Open your email
 program and fill in who the email is going to and the
 subject.    2. At
 the top of the page on the left, hopefully, it says
 “insert”.  Click on it.    3.
 There should be a paperclip icon or perhaps on your email
 program maybe it says “attachment” or some abbreviation
 of attachment.  Click on it.  It should open a window. 
 Make sure at the top of that window it shows the word
 “desktop”.  If it does not, scroll on the left until
 you see “Desktop” and highlight it.    3. 
 Scroll down until you see the name of the pdf you just
 created.    4. 
 Click on it.    5. 
 The pdf title should now show in the lower address
 bar.    6. 
 Click on “open”.
  Your pdf file
 should now be attached to your email.  Just click
 “send” and you’ve done it.  Hope this helps, Sam  Sent from Mail
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-06 Thread mances
Júlio,

Descendo de José Botelho filho de Manuel Botelho e Mariana Jacinta. Essa é 
a linha dos Botelhos da minha mãe.

Manoel César Furtado

Em sábado, 6 de agosto de 2016 18:12:06 UTC-3, Júlio escreveu:
>
> José Tavares Pimentel Coentro dever ter casado a Primeira Vez com Maria da 
> Esperança Silva a 10 Feb 1817 na beira Seca e mais tarde deve ter casado a 
> Segunda Vez talvez no Rosário da Lagoa com Maria Joaquina que nasceu como 
> diz no registo de Batismo de sua Filha Jacinta Libânia
>
> Alias batizarem duas com o mesmo nome
>
>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1840-1859/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1840-1859_item1/P22.html
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1840-1859/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1840-1859_item1/P38.html
>>
>>
> *1. Maria Joaquina [58879]*, daughter of *Manuel BOTELHO* [49433] and 
> *Mariana 
> Jacinta* [49434], was born about 1813 in Rosário, Lagoa. 
>
> Maria married *José Tavares de Pimentel COENTRO* [58857] 1 [MRIN: 28050], 
> son of *Antonio De Sousa Pereira COENTRO* [58883] 1 and *Ana de São Pedro 
> TAVARES* [58884],1 in 1840 in Lagoa. 
>
> *Children from this marriage were:* 
>
>   i.  *Jacinta* [58885] was born on 23 Mar 1842 in Santa Bárbara, 
> Ribeira Grande, was christened on 9 Apr 1842 in Santa Bárbara, Ribeira 
> Grande, and died before 1843. 
>  ii.  *Jacinta Libânia* [58856] was born on 22 Jul 1843 in Santa 
> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.
> Second Generation (Parents)
> --
>
> *2. Manuel BOTELHO [49433]*, son of *Martinho BOTELHO* [49422] and *Mariana 
> Francisca* [49423], was born on 3 May 1788 in São Roque, Ponta Delgada. 
>
> Manuel married *Mariana Jacinta* [49434] [MRIN: 23368] on 17 Jun 1812 in 
> Rosário, Lagoa. 
>
> *Children from this marriage were:* 
>
>   i.  *José BOTELHO* [49437] 
>
> 1ii.  *Maria Joaquina* [58879] 
>
> *3. Mariana Jacinta [49434]*, daughter of *Narciso José* [49435] and *Antónia 
> da Trindade* [49436], was born on 6 Apr 1794 in Rosário, Lagoa. 
> Mariana married *Manuel BOTELHO* [49433] [MRIN: 23368] on 17 Jun 1812 in 
> Rosário, Lagoa. 
>
> Third Generation (Grandparents)
> --
>
> *4. Martinho BOTELHO [49422]*, son of *Manuel BOTELHO* [57246] and *Antónia 
> de MEDEIROS* [49426], was born on 19 Feb 1762 in São Roque, Ponta Delgada 
> and died on 8 Dec 1792 in São Roque, Ponta Delgada at age 30. 
>
> Martinho married *Mariana Francisca* [49423] [MRIN: 23362] on 9 Oct 1785 
> in São Roque, Ponta Delgada. 
>
> *Children from this marriage were:* 
>
>   i.  *Barbara Jacinta* [49421] 
>
> 2ii.  *Manuel BOTELHO* [49433] 
>
> *5. Mariana Francisca [49423]* was born on 27 Jun 1764 in Agua de Pau and 
> died on 15 Jan 1820 in São Roque, Ponta Delgada at age 55. 
>
> Mariana married *Martinho BOTELHO* [49422] [MRIN: 23362] on 9 Oct 1785 in 
> São Roque, Ponta Delgada. 
>
> *6. Narciso José [49435]* . 
>
> Narciso married *Antónia da Trindade* [49436] [MRIN: 23369]. 
>
> *The child from this marriage was:* 
>
> 3 i.  *Mariana Jacinta* [49434] 
>
> *7. Antónia da Trindade [49436]* . 
>
> Antónia married *Narciso José* [49435] [MRIN: 23369]. 
>
> Fourth Generation (Great-Grand
>
> *8. Manuel BOTELHO [57246]*, son of *Alvaro do COUTO* [57247] 1 and *Barbara 
> De SOUSA* [57248], was born on 3 Dec 1701 in São Roque, Ponta Delgada and 
> died on 16 Dec 1774 in São Roque, Ponta Delgada at age 73. 
>
> Manuel married *Luisa da CUNHA* [57245] [MRIN: 27249], daughter of *Manuel 
> de Sousa TAVARES* [57224] and *Isabel da CUNHA* [57223], on 20 Mar 1725 
> in São Roque, Ponta Delgada. 
>
> Manuel next married *Antónia de MEDEIROS* [49426] [MRIN: 23364] on 19 Aug 
> 1758 in São Roque, Ponta Delgada. 
>
> *The child from this marriage was:* 
>
> 4 i.  *Martinho BOTELHO* [49422] 
>
> *9. Antónia de MEDEIROS [49426]* was born on 24 Nov 1722 in Agua de Pau 
> and died on 1 Jan 1799 in São Roque, Ponta Delgada at age 76. 
>
> Antónia married *Manuel BOTELHO* [57246] [MRIN: 23364] on 19 Aug 1758 in 
> São Roque, Ponta Delgada.  
>  
>
>  
>
>>  
>>>
>>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-06 Thread 'Sam Koester' via Azores Genealogy
Celeste;  Not sure what version of FTM you have but; on mine here is how to do 
it.  
1.  Open FTM   
2. Click on “people” at the top of the page 
3. Go to the person you want to make the family group sheet for  
4. Click on “Publish” at the top of the page 
5.  Under “Publication Types” scroll down until “Relationships Report” is 
highlighted. 
6.  Double click on “Family Group Sheet”   
  On the right you can check various boxes depending on what you want included. 
 Once you have the report the way you want it go to the upper right hand corner 
and click on the far right icon (share).  Choose “export as pdf”  When the 
window pops up fill in whatever you want or fill in nothing and click on “ok”.  
In the window that opens make sure the top address field says This PC > 
Desktop; then in the bottom address bar name your file or just leave what is 
automatically filled in, just be sure you will remember what it is called and 
click on “Save” . 

Next:  1. Open your email program and fill in who the email is going to and the 
subject.
2. At the top of the page on the left, hopefully, it says “insert”. 
 Click on it.
3. There should be a paperclip icon or perhaps on your email 
program maybe it says “attachment” or some abbreviation of attachment.  Click 
on it.  It should open a window.  Make sure at the top of that window it shows 
the word “desktop”.  If it does not, scroll on the left until you see “Desktop” 
and highlight it.
3.  Scroll down until you see the name of the pdf you just created.
4.  Click on it.
5.  The pdf title should now show in the lower address bar.
6.  Click on “open”.

Your pdf file should now be attached to your email.  Just click “send” and 
you’ve done it.

Hope this helps, Sam

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-06 Thread 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy

Thanks, again, Cheri.  I will give it a try.
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Sat, 8/6/16, Cheri Mello  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
 To: "Azores Genealogy" 
 Date: Saturday, August 6, 2016, 2:05 PM
 
 Celeste, Someone who is a FTM user will have
 to tell you. In most genealogy programs there is REPORT(s)
 that you click on (to make a report) and then one of the
 choices should be Family Group Sheet.
 Cheri
 
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-06 Thread Júlio
wrote to me a while ago was that 
>> is a possibility that the place of her birth MAY have been written in the 
>> margin of her marriage record.  When I asked for a copy, I was send a form 
>> that was filled out by someone at the church.   
>> > 
>> > I have to wait until I make another trip to RI to beg someone in the 
>> church to look at the record to see if something is written in the margin 
>> and was not written on the form I was sent.  Hope my health and Bob's 
>> allows us to make that trip soon. 
>> > 
>> > My thought in bringing this up on the list again was that there are a 
>> lot of new members and someone just MIGHT find a relative that has the name 
>> Jacintha Libiana and I could gather more information that can lead me to 
>> finding if the "Elusive Maria Christo" was biologically connected to the 
>> family she thught was hers. 
>> > 
>> > Thank you for all the thoughts, every little thing helps.   
>> > Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com 
>> > 
>> >  
>> > On Fri, 8/5/16, Cheri Mello  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo 
>> > To: "Azores Genealogy"  
>> > Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 3:40 PM 
>> > 
>> > Hi Celeste, 
>> > Lomba da Santa Barbara in Ribeira Grande 
>> > is here: http://tombo.pt/f/rbg12 
>> > 
>> > I'm guessing 
>> > you've already looked? I know I had one ancestor that 
>> > wasn't baptized until a month before his marriage, 25 
>> > years later. I've also seen a few baptisms where they 
>> > baptized the child 2, 3, 4 years later. Rather unusual, but 
>> > it happened. Maybe there was an illness in the family and 
>> > they had themselves quarantined or maybe they were in the 
>> > middle of harvest and didn't get to the church for a 
>> > couple years (when they had their next kid). 
>> > 
>> > Where did the 
>> > great-grandson of Jose think his ancestors were from? 
>> > 
>> > Also, you 
>> > could have your husband DNA test, the great-grandson of Jose 
>> > test, and anyone you know who is a descendant of Seraphim 
>> > test. It's on sale. You all should match each other and 
>> > should match others of the Ribeira Grande region - unless 
>> > you're not from Lomba da Santa Barbara. There's a 
>> > Santa Barbara in Ponta Delgada, but it makes no sense to add 
>> > on "Lomba da" and specify that freguesia if one 
>> > was from the other one. 
>> > 
>> > Cheri 
>> > 
>> > 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-06 Thread Cheri Mello
Celeste, Someone who is a FTM user will have to tell you. In most genealogy
programs there is REPORT(s) that you click on (to make a report) and then
one of the choices should be Family Group Sheet.
Cheri

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-06 Thread 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy

Once again, Cheri, my limited skill with a computer makes doing what you 
suggest impossible for me.  I use FTM and have yahoo mail.  Maybe someone can 
talk me through the process to get it into an attachment for the email.
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Fri, 8/5/16, Cheri Mello  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
 To: "Azores Genealogy" 
 Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 7:43 PM
 
 1) Do you have a family group sheet for
 Joao Morais da Costa and Jacinta Libianna that you can make
 your genealogy program spit out and attach to the email?
 
 2) Joao or his parents
 are from Agua de Pau. Maybe they had to go there for some
 reason in the 1880s and your Maria was baptized there
 instead.
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-06 Thread 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy

Thanks, Cheri, for the possible lead.  In 2009 when I spent a week at the 
archives in Ponta Delgada, I look in Agua do Pau and all the villages that 
surround Lomba da Santa Barbara thinking the same thing you mention.  I did not 
find any lead I could follow.
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Fri, 8/5/16, Cheri Mello  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
 To: "Azores Genealogy" 
 Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 7:43 PM
 
 1) Do you have a family group sheet for
 Joao Morais da Costa and Jacinta Libianna that you can make
 your genealogy program spit out and attach to the email?
 
 2) Joao or his parents
 are from Agua de Pau. Maybe they had to go there for some
 reason in the 1880s and your Maria was baptized there
 instead.
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-06 Thread 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy

The oral info. I received from her daughter before she died was that her 
mother, Maria Christo, was born May 22, 1885, in Lomba da Santa Barbara.
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Fri, 8/5/16, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy  
wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 9:13 PM
 
 
 All the information was oral and from her daughter. 
 She told me that her mother was born May, 1885.
 Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
 
 
 On Fri, 8/5/16, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
  To: "Azores Genealogy" 
  Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 7:54 PM
  
  Was her
  birthdate in May of 1885/6 and was she born in S.Barbara
 or
  Agua de Pau?
  
  Cheri Mello
  Listowner, Azores-Gen
  Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
  Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
  
  On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 7:47
  PM, Margaret Vicente 
  wrote:
  Hi Celeste,
  I have
  this family on my tree as they are related to me.  There
  are more then one Serafim de Morais and Joao de Morais. 
  One family is from Agua de Pau and the other from Santa
  Barbara.  They are cousins. 
  Serafim had two older sisters, born
  in 1868 and 1873. The latter was deceased same year, and
 the
  first I don't have the obit. I have 9 children for Joao
  de Morais (from Agua de Pau) married to Jacinta Libania in
  Santa Barbara of Ribeira Grande.
  Serafim's brother Jose, married
  in Relva, Ponta Delgada.
  Please refer to the emails we
  exchanged back in November 2015.  
  
  Regarding
  Maria, I sent you all the documents proof from ancestry
 and
  passports.  Maria
  arrived and travelled with Serafim.  On the manifest he
 declares they
  are his nieces.  Maria
  de Morais, Luzia and Rosa clearly stated along with their
  ages..He also declared
  he was going to his cousin Joao do Couto Cordeiro? can't
  be sure as they wrote over it, the address was 368 Hope
  Street, Bristol, RI. The reason you couldn't find
  Maria's birth record was because you were looking for
  the wrong parents.  The passports give parents as
  Jacinto de Medeiros not Joao de Morais and as such I sent
  you the birth record for the said Maria de Morais who
  arrived with Serafim in 1904.
  
  
  On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at
  10:19 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
  wrote:
  
  
  Actually, Cheri, I have only looked up to the date the
  father, Joao Moraes, died.  I also looked for some kind
 of
  will and there was none.  I did not find that they owned
  any land so I tend to think they did not have any
 wealth. 
  Also, all the kids of the family that survived immigrated
 to
  RI.  If they had owned land, possibly one have remained
  there.
  
  
  
  Jose's great-grand son, Dicky Cabral, (if I remember
  correctly) that his Jose was born in Lomba da Santa
  Barbara.  I have not communicated with him for a number
 of
  years.  One thing he wrote to me a while ago was that is
 a
  possibility that the place of her birth MAY have been
  written in the margin of her marriage record.  When I
 asked
  for a copy, I was send a form that was filled out by
 someone
  at the church.
  
  
  
  I have to wait until I make another trip to RI to beg
  someone in the church to look at the record to see if
  something is written in the margin and was not written on
  the form I was sent.  Hope my health and Bob's allows
  us to make that trip soon.
  
  
  
  My thought in bringing this up on the list again was that
  there are a lot of new members and someone just MIGHT find
 a
  relative that has the name Jacintha Libiana and I could
  gather more information that can lead me to finding if the
  "Elusive Maria Christo" was biologically connected
  to the family she thught was hers.
  
  
  
  Thank you for all the thoughts, every little thing helps.
  
  Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
  
  
  
  -- ------
  
  On Fri, 8/5/16, Cheri Mello 
  wrote:
  
  
  
   Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria
  Christo
  
   To: "Azores Genealogy" 
  
   Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 3:40 PM
  
  
  
   Hi Celeste,
  
   Lomba da Santa Barbara in Ribeira Grande
  
   is here: http://tombo.pt/f/rbg12
  
  
  
   I'm guessing
  
   you've already looked? I know I had one ancestor
  that
  
   wasn't baptized until a month before his marriage,
  25
  
   years later. I've also seen a few baptisms where
  they
  
   baptized the child 2, 3, 4 years later. Rather unusual,
  but
  
   it happened. Maybe there was an illness in the family
  and
  
   they had themselves quarantined or maybe they were in
  the
  
   middle of harvest and didn't get to the church for
  a
  
   couple years (when they had their next kid

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-06 Thread 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy

The marriage took place at St. Mary's Church in Bristol, RI on Nov. 27, 1909.  
I am interested to know if there are any "margin notes" that list where Maria 
Christo was baptized.  It is my understanding that the information I have from 
the church is what was filled out in a "form" and not necessarily what note may 
have been made by the priest to tell where she was baptized.
Thank you for your interest in my hung.
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Fri, 8/5/16, Liz Migliori  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 9:09 PM
 
 Celeste
 
 I'm From Newport and
 Middletown R. I.   And knew many Perry's
 there. Do you know where in R.I or what church you are
 looking into 
 
 Liz
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 > On Aug 5, 2016, at 7:19
 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
 > 
 > 
 > Actually, Cheri, I have only looked up to
 the date the father, Joao Moraes, died.  I also looked for
 some kind of will and there was none.  I did not find that
 they owned any land so I tend to think they did not have any
 wealth.  Also, all the kids of the family that survived
 immigrated to RI.  If they had owned land, possibly one
 have remained there.
 > 
 > Jose's great-grand son, Dicky Cabral,
 (if I remember correctly) that his Jose was born in Lomba da
 Santa Barbara.  I have not communicated with him for a
 number of years.  One thing he wrote to me a while ago was
 that is a possibility that the place of her birth MAY have
 been written in the margin of her marriage record.  When I
 asked for a copy, I was send a form that was filled out by
 someone at the church.  
 > 
 > I have to wait until I make another trip
 to RI to beg someone in the church to look at the record to
 see if something is written in the margin and was not
 written on the form I was sent.  Hope my health and
 Bob's allows us to make that trip soon.
 > 
 > My thought in
 bringing this up on the list again was that there are a lot
 of new members and someone just MIGHT find a relative that
 has the name Jacintha Libiana and I could gather more
 information that can lead me to finding if the "Elusive
 Maria Christo" was biologically connected to the family
 she thught was hers.
 > 
 > Thank you for all the thoughts, every
 little thing helps.  
 > Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
 > 
 >
 --------------------
 > On Fri, 8/5/16, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:
 > 
 > Subject:
 Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
 > To: "Azores Genealogy" 
 > Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 3:40 PM
 > 
 > Hi Celeste,
 > Lomba da Santa Barbara in Ribeira
 Grande
 > is here: http://tombo.pt/f/rbg12
 > 
 > I'm guessing
 > you've already looked? I know I had
 one ancestor that
 > wasn't baptized
 until a month before his marriage, 25
 >
 years later. I've also seen a few baptisms where they
 > baptized the child 2, 3, 4 years later.
 Rather unusual, but
 > it happened. Maybe
 there was an illness in the family and
 >
 they had themselves quarantined or maybe they were in the
 > middle of harvest and didn't get to
 the church for a
 > couple years (when
 they had their next kid).
 > 
 > Where did the
 >
 great-grandson of Jose think his ancestors were from?
 > 
 > Also, you
 > could have your husband DNA test, the
 great-grandson of Jose
 > test, and anyone
 you know who is a descendant of Seraphim
 > test. It's on sale. You all should
 match each other and
 > should match
 others of the Ribeira Grande region - unless
 > you're not from Lomba da Santa
 Barbara. There's a
 > Santa Barbara in
 Ponta Delgada, but it makes no sense to add
 > on "Lomba da" and specify that
 freguesia if one
 > was from the other
 one.
 > 
 > Cheri
 > 
 > 
 > 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-06 Thread 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy
Thanks, Julio for the information.  What I am trying to do is find Maria 
Christo's baptism record to confirm her being a biological member of this 
family.
Thanks for your input.

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Sat, 8/6/16, Júlio  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
 To: "Azores Genealogy" 
 Date: Saturday, August 6, 2016, 10:05 AM
 
 Hi Celeste
 this is a fast search that I do. and find this
 information: 
 Ancestors of Maria de
 Cristo MORAIS
 First
 Generation 
 1.  Maria de Cristo MORAIS
 [36266], daughter of João Morais da COSTA [58855] and Jacinta Libânia
 [58856], was born on 22 May 1885 in Santa Bárbara,
 Ribeira Grande and died on 7 Sep 1970 in California at age
 85.  
 
 
 Second Generation
 (Parents) 
 2.  João Morais da COSTA
 [58855], son of Francisco Morais da COSTA [58853]
 and Ana de Jesus
 [58854], was born on 5 Oct 1849 in Agua de  Pau and died
 on 13 Apr 1899 in Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande at age 49. 
 
 João
 married Jacinta
 Libânia [58856] [MRIN: 28037] on 10 Nov 1867 in
 Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.  Marriage Notes: Assento 11 
 Children
 from this marriage were:   i.  Serafim
 MORAIS [36272] was born in 1880.   
  ii.  Ana de
 Jesus MORAIS [36267] was born in 1882.   
 1   iii.  Maria de Cristo MORAIS
 [36266]
 sábado, 6 de Agosto de 2016
 às 15:52:11 UTC, Lizmig escreveu:Celeste
 
 
 
 I'm From Newport and Middletown R. I.
   And knew many Perry's there. Do you know where in R.I
 or what church you are looking into 
 
 
 
 Liz
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
 
 > On Aug 5, 2016, at 7:19 PM,
 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
 
 > 
 
 > 
 
 > Actually, Cheri, I have only looked up
 to the date the father, Joao Moraes, died.  I also looked
 for some kind of will and there was none.  I did not find
 that they owned any land so I tend to think they did not
 have any wealth.  Also, all the kids of the family that
 survived immigrated to RI.  If they had owned land,
 possibly one have remained there.
 
 > 
 
 > Jose's great-grand son, Dicky
 Cabral, (if I remember correctly) that his Jose was born in
 Lomba da Santa Barbara.  I have not communicated with him
 for a number of years.  One thing he wrote to me a while
 ago was that is a possibility that the place of her birth
 MAY have been written in the margin of her marriage record.
  When I asked for a copy, I was send a form that was filled
 out by someone at the church.  
 
 > 
 
 > I have to wait until I make another
 trip to RI to beg someone in the church to look at the
 record to see if something is written in the margin and was
 not written on the form I was sent.  Hope my health and
 Bob's allows us to make that trip soon.
 
 > 
 
 > My thought in bringing this up on the
 list again was that there are a lot of new members and
 someone just MIGHT find a relative that has the name
 Jacintha Libiana and I could gather more information that
 can lead me to finding if the "Elusive Maria
 Christo" was biologically connected to the family she
 thught was hers.
 
 > 
 
 > Thank you for all the thoughts, every
 little thing helps.  
 
 > Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com
 
 > 
 
 > ----------
 ----------
 
 > On Fri, 8/5/16, Cheri Mello  wrote:
 
 > 
 
 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The
 elusive Maria Christo
 
 > To: "Azores Genealogy"
 
 
 > Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 3:40 PM
 
 > 
 
 > Hi Celeste,
 
 > Lomba da Santa Barbara in Ribeira
 Grande
 
 > is here: http://tombo.pt/f/rbg12
 
 > 
 
 > I'm guessing
 
 > you've already looked? I know I
 had one ancestor that
 
 > wasn't baptized until a month
 before his marriage, 25
 
 > years later. I've also seen a few
 baptisms where they
 
 > baptized the child 2, 3, 4 years
 later. Rather unusual, but
 
 > it happened. Maybe there was an
 illness in the family and
 
 > they had themselves quarantined or
 maybe they were in the
 
 > middle of harvest and didn't get
 to the church for a
 
 > couple years (when they had their next
 kid).
 
 > 
 
 > Where did the
 
 > great-grandson of Jose think his
 ancestors were from?
 
 > 
 
 > Also, you
 
 > could have your husband DNA test, the
 great-grandson of Jose
 
 > test, and anyone you know who is a
 descendant of Seraphim
 
 > test. It's on sale. You all should
 match each other and
 
 > should match others of the Ribeira
 Grande region - unless
 
 > you're not from Lomba da Santa
 Barbara. There's a
 
 > Santa Barbara in Ponta Delgada, but it
 makes no sense to add
 
 > on "Lomba da" and specify
 that freguesia if one
 
 > was from the other one.
 
 > 
 
 > Cheri
 
 > 
 
 > 
 
 > 
 
 > -- 
 
 > 
 
 > For options, such as

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-06 Thread 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy
Yes, Cheri, that is my hope; to find her birth/baptism record that connects her 
to her biological family.  I have received info. from Margaret Vicente that 
says she was the daughter of Jacinto de Medeiros not Joao de Morais.  This is 
all new to me.  Margaret also says that she arrived in the US in 1904 with 
Serafim (whom I thought was her brother) and she is listed as a niece on the 
manifest.  Another thing I did not consider.  Margaret says there is more than 
one Serafim de Morais and Joao de Morais.  One family is from Agua de Pau and 
the other from Santa Barbara (Sao Miguel) and that they are cousins.  

My head is spinning and I will need the time to try to figure out this new 
information.  I was not sure when Maria Cristo arrived in the US; I know and 
have a copy of the record that she married Filippe P. Da Silva at St. Mary's 
Church in Bristol, RI on Nov. 27, 1909.  Book 6, page 45.  She said she was 22 
years of age; born May 22, 1909,  and that here parents were John Moraes and 
Jacintha Tavares.  

If there anyone who can clarify any of this new information, your input is 
greatly appreciated.

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Sat, 8/6/16, Cheri Mello  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
 To: "Azores Genealogy" 
 Date: Saturday, August 6, 2016, 10:57 AM
 
 I thought
 Celeste was after the actual baptism of Maria Cristo.
 
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-06 Thread Cheri Mello
I thought Celeste was after the actual baptism of Maria Cristo.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-06 Thread Júlio
Here is the birth of jacinta Libânia

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1840-1859/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1840-1859_item1/P38.html

sábado, 6 de Agosto de 2016 às 15:52:11 UTC, Lizmig escreveu:
>
> Celeste 
>
> I'm From Newport and Middletown R. I.   And knew many Perry's there. Do 
> you know where in R.I or what church you are looking into 
>
> Liz 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Aug 5, 2016, at 7:19 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > Actually, Cheri, I have only looked up to the date the father, Joao 
> Moraes, died.  I also looked for some kind of will and there was none.  I 
> did not find that they owned any land so I tend to think they did not have 
> any wealth.  Also, all the kids of the family that survived immigrated to 
> RI.  If they had owned land, possibly one have remained there. 
> > 
> > Jose's great-grand son, Dicky Cabral, (if I remember correctly) that his 
> Jose was born in Lomba da Santa Barbara.  I have not communicated with him 
> for a number of years.  One thing he wrote to me a while ago was that is a 
> possibility that the place of her birth MAY have been written in the margin 
> of her marriage record.  When I asked for a copy, I was send a form that 
> was filled out by someone at the church.   
> > 
> > I have to wait until I make another trip to RI to beg someone in the 
> church to look at the record to see if something is written in the margin 
> and was not written on the form I was sent.  Hope my health and Bob's 
> allows us to make that trip soon. 
> > 
> > My thought in bringing this up on the list again was that there are a 
> lot of new members and someone just MIGHT find a relative that has the name 
> Jacintha Libiana and I could gather more information that can lead me to 
> finding if the "Elusive Maria Christo" was biologically connected to the 
> family she thught was hers. 
> > 
> > Thank you for all the thoughts, every little thing helps.   
> > Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com  
> > 
> >  
> > On Fri, 8/5/16, Cheri Mello > wrote: 
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo 
> > To: "Azores Genealogy" > 
> > Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 3:40 PM 
> > 
> > Hi Celeste, 
> > Lomba da Santa Barbara in Ribeira Grande 
> > is here: http://tombo.pt/f/rbg12 
> > 
> > I'm guessing 
> > you've already looked? I know I had one ancestor that 
> > wasn't baptized until a month before his marriage, 25 
> > years later. I've also seen a few baptisms where they 
> > baptized the child 2, 3, 4 years later. Rather unusual, but 
> > it happened. Maybe there was an illness in the family and 
> > they had themselves quarantined or maybe they were in the 
> > middle of harvest and didn't get to the church for a 
> > couple years (when they had their next kid). 
> > 
> > Where did the 
> > great-grandson of Jose think his ancestors were from? 
> > 
> > Also, you 
> > could have your husband DNA test, the great-grandson of Jose 
> > test, and anyone you know who is a descendant of Seraphim 
> > test. It's on sale. You all should match each other and 
> > should match others of the Ribeira Grande region - unless 
> > you're not from Lomba da Santa Barbara. There's a 
> > Santa Barbara in Ponta Delgada, but it makes no sense to add 
> > on "Lomba da" and specify that freguesia if one 
> > was from the other one. 
> > 
> > Cheri 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
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> > No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and 
> > visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-06 Thread Júlio
Hi Celeste this is a fast search that I do. and find this information: 

Ancestors of Maria de Cristo MORAIS
--

First Generation
--
--

*1. Maria de Cristo MORAIS [36266]*, daughter of *João Morais da COSTA* 
[58855] 
 
and *Jacinta Libânia* [58856] 
, 
was born on 22 May 1885 in Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande and died on 7 Sep 
1970 in California at age 85. 


Second Generation (Parents)
--

*2. João Morais da COSTA [58855]*, son of *Francisco Morais da COSTA* 
[58853] 
 
and *Ana de Jesus* [58854] 
, 
was born on 5 Oct 1849 in Agua de Pau and died on 13 Apr 1899 in Santa 
Bárbara, Ribeira Grande at age 49. 

João married *Jacinta Libânia* [58856] 
 
[MRIN: 28037] on 10 Nov 1867 in Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. 

Marriage Notes: Assento 11 

*Children from this marriage were:* 

  i.  *Serafim MORAIS* [36272] was born in 1880. 

 ii.  *Ana de Jesus MORAIS* [36267] was born in 1882. 

1   iii.  *Maria de Cristo MORAIS* [36266] 


sábado, 6 de Agosto de 2016 às 15:52:11 UTC, Lizmig escreveu:
>
> Celeste 
>
> I'm From Newport and Middletown R. I.   And knew many Perry's there. Do 
> you know where in R.I or what church you are looking into 
>
> Liz 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Aug 5, 2016, at 7:19 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > Actually, Cheri, I have only looked up to the date the father, Joao 
> Moraes, died.  I also looked for some kind of will and there was none.  I 
> did not find that they owned any land so I tend to think they did not have 
> any wealth.  Also, all the kids of the family that survived immigrated to 
> RI.  If they had owned land, possibly one have remained there. 
> > 
> > Jose's great-grand son, Dicky Cabral, (if I remember correctly) that his 
> Jose was born in Lomba da Santa Barbara.  I have not communicated with him 
> for a number of years.  One thing he wrote to me a while ago was that is a 
> possibility that the place of her birth MAY have been written in the margin 
> of her marriage record.  When I asked for a copy, I was send a form that 
> was filled out by someone at the church.   
> > 
> > I have to wait until I make another trip to RI to beg someone in the 
> church to look at the record to see if something is written in the margin 
> and was not written on the form I was sent.  Hope my health and Bob's 
> allows us to make that trip soon. 
> > 
> > My thought in bringing this up on the list again was that there are a 
> lot of new members and someone just MIGHT find a relative that has the name 
> Jacintha Libiana and I could gather more information that can lead me to 
> finding if the "Elusive Maria Christo" was biologically connected to the 
> family she thught was hers. 
> > 
> > Thank you for all the thoughts, every little thing helps.   
> > Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com  
> > 
> >  
> > On Fri, 8/5/16, Cheri Mello > wrote: 
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo 
> > To: "Azores Genealogy" > 
> > Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 3:40 PM 
> > 
> > Hi Celeste, 
> > Lomba da Santa Barbara in Ribeira Grande 
> > is here: http://tombo.pt/f/rbg12 
> > 
> > I'm guessing 
> > you've already looked? I know I had one ancestor that 
> > wasn't baptized until a month before his marriage, 25 
> > years later. I've also seen a few baptisms where they 
> > baptized the child 2, 3, 4 years later. Rather unusual, but 
> > it happened. Maybe there was an illness in the family and 
> > they had themselves quarantined or maybe they were in the 
> > middle of harvest and didn't get to the church for a 
> > couple years (when they had their next kid). 
> > 
> > Where did the 
> > great-grandson of Jose think his ancestors were from? 
> > 
> > Also, you 
> > could have your husband DNA test, the great-grandson of Jose 
> > test, and anyone you know who is a descendant of Seraphim 
> > test. It's on sale. You all should match each other and 
> > should match others of the Ribeira Grande region - unless 
> > you're not from Lomba da Santa Barbara. There's a 
> > Santa Barbara in Ponta Delgada, but it makes no sense to add 
> > on "Lomba da" and specify that freguesia if one 
> > was from the other one. 
> > 
> > Cheri 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > For options, such as changing to List, Digest,

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-06 Thread Liz Migliori
Celeste

I'm From Newport and Middletown R. I.   And knew many Perry's there. Do you 
know where in R.I or what church you are looking into 

Liz

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 5, 2016, at 7:19 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Actually, Cheri, I have only looked up to the date the father, Joao Moraes, 
> died.  I also looked for some kind of will and there was none.  I did not 
> find that they owned any land so I tend to think they did not have any 
> wealth.  Also, all the kids of the family that survived immigrated to RI.  If 
> they had owned land, possibly one have remained there.
> 
> Jose's great-grand son, Dicky Cabral, (if I remember correctly) that his Jose 
> was born in Lomba da Santa Barbara.  I have not communicated with him for a 
> number of years.  One thing he wrote to me a while ago was that is a 
> possibility that the place of her birth MAY have been written in the margin 
> of her marriage record.  When I asked for a copy, I was send a form that was 
> filled out by someone at the church.  
> 
> I have to wait until I make another trip to RI to beg someone in the church 
> to look at the record to see if something is written in the margin and was 
> not written on the form I was sent.  Hope my health and Bob's allows us to 
> make that trip soon.
> 
> My thought in bringing this up on the list again was that there are a lot of 
> new members and someone just MIGHT find a relative that has the name Jacintha 
> Libiana and I could gather more information that can lead me to finding if 
> the "Elusive Maria Christo" was biologically connected to the family she 
> thught was hers.
> 
> Thank you for all the thoughts, every little thing helps.  
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
> 
> --------
> On Fri, 8/5/16, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
> To: "Azores Genealogy" 
> Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 3:40 PM
> 
> Hi Celeste,
> Lomba da Santa Barbara in Ribeira Grande
> is here: http://tombo.pt/f/rbg12
> 
> I'm guessing
> you've already looked? I know I had one ancestor that
> wasn't baptized until a month before his marriage, 25
> years later. I've also seen a few baptisms where they
> baptized the child 2, 3, 4 years later. Rather unusual, but
> it happened. Maybe there was an illness in the family and
> they had themselves quarantined or maybe they were in the
> middle of harvest and didn't get to the church for a
> couple years (when they had their next kid).
> 
> Where did the
> great-grandson of Jose think his ancestors were from?
> 
> Also, you
> could have your husband DNA test, the great-grandson of Jose
> test, and anyone you know who is a descendant of Seraphim
> test. It's on sale. You all should match each other and
> should match others of the Ribeira Grande region - unless
> you're not from Lomba da Santa Barbara. There's a
> Santa Barbara in Ponta Delgada, but it makes no sense to add
> on "Lomba da" and specify that freguesia if one
> was from the other one.
> 
> Cheri
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-05 Thread 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy

All the information was oral and from her daughter.  She told me that her 
mother was born May, 1885.
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Fri, 8/5/16, Cheri Mello  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
 To: "Azores Genealogy" 
 Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 7:54 PM
 
 Was her
 birthdate in May of 1885/6 and was she born in S.Barbara or
 Agua de Pau?
 
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 7:47
 PM, Margaret Vicente 
 wrote:
 Hi Celeste,
 I have
 this family on my tree as they are related to me.  There
 are more then one Serafim de Morais and Joao de Morais. 
 One family is from Agua de Pau and the other from Santa
 Barbara.  They are cousins. 
 Serafim had two older sisters, born
 in 1868 and 1873. The latter was deceased same year, and the
 first I don't have the obit. I have 9 children for Joao
 de Morais (from Agua de Pau) married to Jacinta Libania in
 Santa Barbara of Ribeira Grande.
 Serafim's brother Jose, married
 in Relva, Ponta Delgada.
 Please refer to the emails we
 exchanged back in November 2015.  
 
 Regarding
 Maria, I sent you all the documents proof from ancestry and
 passports.  Maria
 arrived and travelled with Serafim.  On the manifest he declares they
 are his nieces.  Maria
 de Morais, Luzia and Rosa clearly stated along with their
 ages..He also declared
 he was going to his cousin Joao do Couto Cordeiro? can't
 be sure as they wrote over it, the address was 368 Hope
 Street, Bristol, RI. The reason you couldn't find
 Maria's birth record was because you were looking for
 the wrong parents.  The passports give parents as
 Jacinto de Medeiros not Joao de Morais and as such I sent
 you the birth record for the said Maria de Morais who
 arrived with Serafim in 1904.
 
 
 On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at
 10:19 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
 
 
 Actually, Cheri, I have only looked up to the date the
 father, Joao Moraes, died.  I also looked for some kind of
 will and there was none.  I did not find that they owned
 any land so I tend to think they did not have any wealth. 
 Also, all the kids of the family that survived immigrated to
 RI.  If they had owned land, possibly one have remained
 there.
 
 
 
 Jose's great-grand son, Dicky Cabral, (if I remember
 correctly) that his Jose was born in Lomba da Santa
 Barbara.  I have not communicated with him for a number of
 years.  One thing he wrote to me a while ago was that is a
 possibility that the place of her birth MAY have been
 written in the margin of her marriage record.  When I asked
 for a copy, I was send a form that was filled out by someone
 at the church.
 
 
 
 I have to wait until I make another trip to RI to beg
 someone in the church to look at the record to see if
 something is written in the margin and was not written on
 the form I was sent.  Hope my health and Bob's allows
 us to make that trip soon.
 
 
 
 My thought in bringing this up on the list again was that
 there are a lot of new members and someone just MIGHT find a
 relative that has the name Jacintha Libiana and I could
 gather more information that can lead me to finding if the
 "Elusive Maria Christo" was biologically connected
 to the family she thught was hers.
 
 
 
 Thank you for all the thoughts, every little thing helps.
 
 Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
 
 
 
 -- ----------
 
 On Fri, 8/5/16, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:
 
 
 
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria
 Christo
 
  To: "Azores Genealogy" 
 
  Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 3:40 PM
 
 
 
  Hi Celeste,
 
  Lomba da Santa Barbara in Ribeira Grande
 
  is here: http://tombo.pt/f/rbg12
 
 
 
  I'm guessing
 
  you've already looked? I know I had one ancestor
 that
 
  wasn't baptized until a month before his marriage,
 25
 
  years later. I've also seen a few baptisms where
 they
 
  baptized the child 2, 3, 4 years later. Rather unusual,
 but
 
  it happened. Maybe there was an illness in the family
 and
 
  they had themselves quarantined or maybe they were in
 the
 
  middle of harvest and didn't get to the church for
 a
 
  couple years (when they had their next kid).
 
 
 
  Where did the
 
  great-grandson of Jose think his ancestors were from?
 
 
 
  Also, you
 
  could have your husband DNA test, the great-grandson of
 Jose
 
  test, and anyone you know who is a descendant of
 Seraphim
 
  test. It's on sale. You all should match each other
 and
 
  should match others of the Ribeira Grande region -
 unless
 
  you're not from Lomba da Santa Barbara. There's
 a
 
  Santa Barbara in Ponta Delgada, but it makes no sense to
 add
 
  on "Lomba da" and specify that freguesia if
 one
 
  was from the other one.
 
 
 
  Cheri
 
 
 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-05 Thread Cheri Mello
Was her birthdate in May of 1885/6 and was she born in S.Barbara or Agua de
Pau?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 7:47 PM, Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Hi Celeste,
>
> I have this family on my tree as they are related to me.  There are more
> then one Serafim de Morais and Joao de Morais.  One family is from Agua de
> Pau and the other from Santa Barbara.  They are cousins.
>
> Serafim had two older sisters, born in 1868 and 1873. The latter was
> deceased same year, and the first I don't have the obit. I have 9 children
> for Joao de Morais (from Agua de Pau) married to Jacinta Libania in Santa
> Barbara of Ribeira Grande.
>
> Serafim's brother Jose, married in Relva, Ponta Delgada.
>
> Please refer to the emails we exchanged back in November 2015.
>
> Regarding Maria, I sent you all the documents proof from ancestry and
> passports.
> Maria arrived and travelled with Serafim.
> On the manifest he declares they are his nieces.
> Maria de Morais, Luzia and Rosa clearly stated along with their ages..
> He also declared he was going to his cousin Joao do Couto Cordeiro? can't
> be sure as they wrote over it, the address was 368 Hope Street, Bristol,
> RI.
> The reason you couldn't find Maria's birth record was because you were
> looking for the wrong parents.
> The passports give parents as Jacinto de Medeiros not Joao de Morais and
> as such I sent you the birth record for the said Maria de Morais who
> arrived with Serafim in 1904.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 10:19 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Actually, Cheri, I have only looked up to the date the father, Joao
>> Moraes, died.  I also looked for some kind of will and there was none.  I
>> did not find that they owned any land so I tend to think they did not have
>> any wealth.  Also, all the kids of the family that survived immigrated to
>> RI.  If they had owned land, possibly one have remained there.
>>
>> Jose's great-grand son, Dicky Cabral, (if I remember correctly) that his
>> Jose was born in Lomba da Santa Barbara.  I have not communicated with him
>> for a number of years.  One thing he wrote to me a while ago was that is a
>> possibility that the place of her birth MAY have been written in the margin
>> of her marriage record.  When I asked for a copy, I was send a form that
>> was filled out by someone at the church.
>>
>> I have to wait until I make another trip to RI to beg someone in the
>> church to look at the record to see if something is written in the margin
>> and was not written on the form I was sent.  Hope my health and Bob's
>> allows us to make that trip soon.
>>
>> My thought in bringing this up on the list again was that there are a lot
>> of new members and someone just MIGHT find a relative that has the name
>> Jacintha Libiana and I could gather more information that can lead me to
>> finding if the "Elusive Maria Christo" was biologically connected to the
>> family she thught was hers.
>>
>> Thank you for all the thoughts, every little thing helps.
>> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>>
>> 
>> On Fri, 8/5/16, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
>>  To: "Azores Genealogy" 
>>  Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 3:40 PM
>>
>>  Hi Celeste,
>>  Lomba da Santa Barbara in Ribeira Grande
>>  is here: http://tombo.pt/f/rbg12
>>
>>  I'm guessing
>>  you've already looked? I know I had one ancestor that
>>  wasn't baptized until a month before his marriage, 25
>>  years later. I've also seen a few baptisms where they
>>  baptized the child 2, 3, 4 years later. Rather unusual, but
>>  it happened. Maybe there was an illness in the family and
>>  they had themselves quarantined or maybe they were in the
>>  middle of harvest and didn't get to the church for a
>>  couple years (when they had their next kid).
>>
>>  Where did the
>>  great-grandson of Jose think his ancestors were from?
>>
>>  Also, you
>>  could have your husband DNA test, the great-grandson of Jose
>>  test, and anyone you know who is a descendant of Seraphim
>>  test. It's on sale. You all should match each other and
>>  should match others of the Ribeira Grande region - unless
>>  you're not from Lomba da Santa Barbara. There's a
>>  Santa Barbara in Pont

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-05 Thread Margaret Vicente
Hi Celeste,

I have this family on my tree as they are related to me.  There are more
then one Serafim de Morais and Joao de Morais.  One family is from Agua de
Pau and the other from Santa Barbara.  They are cousins.

Serafim had two older sisters, born in 1868 and 1873. The latter was
deceased same year, and the first I don't have the obit. I have 9 children
for Joao de Morais (from Agua de Pau) married to Jacinta Libania in Santa
Barbara of Ribeira Grande.

Serafim's brother Jose, married in Relva, Ponta Delgada.

Please refer to the emails we exchanged back in November 2015.

Regarding Maria, I sent you all the documents proof from ancestry and
passports.
Maria arrived and travelled with Serafim.
On the manifest he declares they are his nieces.
Maria de Morais, Luzia and Rosa clearly stated along with their ages..
He also declared he was going to his cousin Joao do Couto Cordeiro? can't
be sure as they wrote over it, the address was 368 Hope Street, Bristol,
RI.
The reason you couldn't find Maria's birth record was because you were
looking for the wrong parents.
The passports give parents as Jacinto de Medeiros not Joao de Morais and as
such I sent you the birth record for the said Maria de Morais who arrived
with Serafim in 1904.



On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 10:19 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> Actually, Cheri, I have only looked up to the date the father, Joao
> Moraes, died.  I also looked for some kind of will and there was none.  I
> did not find that they owned any land so I tend to think they did not have
> any wealth.  Also, all the kids of the family that survived immigrated to
> RI.  If they had owned land, possibly one have remained there.
>
> Jose's great-grand son, Dicky Cabral, (if I remember correctly) that his
> Jose was born in Lomba da Santa Barbara.  I have not communicated with him
> for a number of years.  One thing he wrote to me a while ago was that is a
> possibility that the place of her birth MAY have been written in the margin
> of her marriage record.  When I asked for a copy, I was send a form that
> was filled out by someone at the church.
>
> I have to wait until I make another trip to RI to beg someone in the
> church to look at the record to see if something is written in the margin
> and was not written on the form I was sent.  Hope my health and Bob's
> allows us to make that trip soon.
>
> My thought in bringing this up on the list again was that there are a lot
> of new members and someone just MIGHT find a relative that has the name
> Jacintha Libiana and I could gather more information that can lead me to
> finding if the "Elusive Maria Christo" was biologically connected to the
> family she thught was hers.
>
> Thank you for all the thoughts, every little thing helps.
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>
> 
> On Fri, 8/5/16, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
>  To: "Azores Genealogy" 
>  Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 3:40 PM
>
>  Hi Celeste,
>  Lomba da Santa Barbara in Ribeira Grande
>  is here: http://tombo.pt/f/rbg12
>
>  I'm guessing
>  you've already looked? I know I had one ancestor that
>  wasn't baptized until a month before his marriage, 25
>  years later. I've also seen a few baptisms where they
>  baptized the child 2, 3, 4 years later. Rather unusual, but
>  it happened. Maybe there was an illness in the family and
>  they had themselves quarantined or maybe they were in the
>  middle of harvest and didn't get to the church for a
>  couple years (when they had their next kid).
>
>  Where did the
>  great-grandson of Jose think his ancestors were from?
>
>  Also, you
>  could have your husband DNA test, the great-grandson of Jose
>  test, and anyone you know who is a descendant of Seraphim
>  test. It's on sale. You all should match each other and
>  should match others of the Ribeira Grande region - unless
>  you're not from Lomba da Santa Barbara. There's a
>  Santa Barbara in Ponta Delgada, but it makes no sense to add
>  on "Lomba da" and specify that freguesia if one
>  was from the other one.
>
>  Cheri
>
>
>
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>
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>  No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and
>  visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-05 Thread Cheri Mello
1) Do you have a family group sheet for Joao Morais da Costa and Jacinta
Libianna that you can make your genealogy program spit out and attach to
the email?

2) Joao or his parents are from Agua de Pau. Maybe they had to go there for
some reason in the 1880s and your Maria was baptized there instead.

Cheri

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-05 Thread 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy

Actually, Cheri, I have only looked up to the date the father, Joao Moraes, 
died.  I also looked for some kind of will and there was none.  I did not find 
that they owned any land so I tend to think they did not have any wealth.  
Also, all the kids of the family that survived immigrated to RI.  If they had 
owned land, possibly one have remained there.

Jose's great-grand son, Dicky Cabral, (if I remember correctly) that his Jose 
was born in Lomba da Santa Barbara.  I have not communicated with him for a 
number of years.  One thing he wrote to me a while ago was that is a 
possibility that the place of her birth MAY have been written in the margin of 
her marriage record.  When I asked for a copy, I was send a form that was 
filled out by someone at the church.  

I have to wait until I make another trip to RI to beg someone in the church to 
look at the record to see if something is written in the margin and was not 
written on the form I was sent.  Hope my health and Bob's allows us to make 
that trip soon.

My thought in bringing this up on the list again was that there are a lot of 
new members and someone just MIGHT find a relative that has the name Jacintha 
Libiana and I could gather more information that can lead me to finding if the 
"Elusive Maria Christo" was biologically connected to the family she thught was 
hers.

Thank you for all the thoughts, every little thing helps.  
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Fri, 8/5/16, Cheri Mello  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
 To: "Azores Genealogy" 
 Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 3:40 PM
 
 Hi Celeste,
 Lomba da Santa Barbara in Ribeira Grande
 is here: http://tombo.pt/f/rbg12
 
 I'm guessing
 you've already looked? I know I had one ancestor that
 wasn't baptized until a month before his marriage, 25
 years later. I've also seen a few baptisms where they
 baptized the child 2, 3, 4 years later. Rather unusual, but
 it happened. Maybe there was an illness in the family and
 they had themselves quarantined or maybe they were in the
 middle of harvest and didn't get to the church for a
 couple years (when they had their next kid).
 
 Where did the
 great-grandson of Jose think his ancestors were from?
 
 Also, you
 could have your husband DNA test, the great-grandson of Jose
 test, and anyone you know who is a descendant of Seraphim
 test. It's on sale. You all should match each other and
 should match others of the Ribeira Grande region - unless
 you're not from Lomba da Santa Barbara. There's a
 Santa Barbara in Ponta Delgada, but it makes no sense to add
 on "Lomba da" and specify that freguesia if one
 was from the other one.
 
 Cheri
 
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-05 Thread 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy

Hi JR,
   I looked at the church books in Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, and 
found the marriage of Joao Moraes on Nov. 10, 1867.  There were 3 children born 
that died young and then in 1881, an Ana who also moved to RI.  When she died 
she left in her will "100.00 to my sister, Mary Perry, in Oakland, CA."  That 
fits it being her sister Maria who married Filipe Perry, and lived in Oakland, 
CA.

I also found a Seraphine born in 1882 to these same parents and his being the 
first to immigrate to RI.  The last one I found was a Jose, born in 1883, and I 
have communicated with a descendent of his that told me Jose had a sister that 
was Mary and her married last name was Perry.  

Joao (the father) died in 1889.  Maria's daughter told me that her mother was 
born when her father was 5 years old.  Thus, the 1885 date for her birth made 
sense.  I looked at every Maria born during that time with a mother named, 
Jacintha Libiana.  That name gave me a better chance to find her.  I found 
nothing.  I thought maybe she had been born while her mother was visiting 
another village.  I searched for the same information in ALL the villages that 
border Lomba da Santa Barbara.  (By the name it is no longer called "Lomba" it 
is just Santa Barbara.  Again I found nothing that matched the information I 
had.

In addition to my searching, Joao Ventura has looked at the records and thinks 
that the priest just did not record her baptism.  (or, as Cheri often says, the 
priest could have had "too much vinho" and forgot to records it.  

Again, any ideas you can offer are greatly appreciated.
Celeste
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Fri, 8/5/16, JR  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
 To: "Azores Genealogy" 
 Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 4:48 PM
 
 There are
 at least three Santa Barbara's. Two on Sao Miguel and
 one on Ilha de Santa Maria. Saa Miguel has one above Ribeira
 Seca (Ribeira Grande) and another west of Santo
 Antonio.
 JR
 
 On Friday,
 August 5, 2016 at 6:41:09 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello
 wrote:Hi Celeste,
 Lomba da Santa Barbara in Ribeira Grande
 is here: http://tombo.pt/f/rbg12
 
 I'm guessing
 you've already looked? I know I had one ancestor that
 wasn't baptized until a month before his marriage, 25
 years later. I've also seen a few baptisms where they
 baptized the child 2, 3, 4 years later. Rather unusual, but
 it happened. Maybe there was an illness in the family and
 they had themselves quarantined or maybe they were in the
 middle of harvest and didn't get to the church for a
 couple years (when they had their next kid).
 
 Where did the
 great-grandson of Jose think his ancestors were from?
 
 Also, you
 could have your husband DNA test, the great-grandson of Jose
 test, and anyone you know who is a descendant of Seraphim
 test. It's on sale. You all should match each other and
 should match others of the Ribeira Grande region - unless
 you're not from Lomba da Santa Barbara. There's a
 Santa Barbara in Ponta Delgada, but it makes no sense to add
 on "Lomba da" and specify that freguesia if one
 was from the other one.
 
 Cheri
 
 
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-05 Thread JR
There are at least three Santa Barbara's. Two on Sao Miguel and one on Ilha 
de Santa Maria. Saa Miguel has one above Ribeira Seca (Ribeira Grande) and 
another west of Santo Antonio.

JR

On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 6:41:09 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Celeste,
> Lomba da Santa Barbara in Ribeira Grande is here: http://tombo.pt/f/rbg12
>
> I'm guessing you've already looked? I know I had one ancestor that wasn't 
> baptized until a month before his marriage, 25 years later. I've also seen 
> a few baptisms where they baptized the child 2, 3, 4 years later. Rather 
> unusual, but it happened. Maybe there was an illness in the family and they 
> had themselves quarantined or maybe they were in the middle of harvest and 
> didn't get to the church for a couple years (when they had their next kid).
>
> Where did the great-grandson of Jose think his ancestors were from?
>
> Also, you could have your husband DNA test, the great-grandson of Jose 
> test, and anyone you know who is a descendant of Seraphim test. It's on 
> sale. You all should match each other and should match others of the 
> Ribeira Grande region - unless you're not from Lomba da Santa Barbara. 
> There's a Santa Barbara in Ponta Delgada, but it makes no sense to add on 
> "Lomba da" and specify that freguesia if one was from the other one.
>
> Cheri
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

2016-08-05 Thread Cheri Mello
Hi Celeste,
Lomba da Santa Barbara in Ribeira Grande is here: http://tombo.pt/f/rbg12

I'm guessing you've already looked? I know I had one ancestor that wasn't
baptized until a month before his marriage, 25 years later. I've also seen
a few baptisms where they baptized the child 2, 3, 4 years later. Rather
unusual, but it happened. Maybe there was an illness in the family and they
had themselves quarantined or maybe they were in the middle of harvest and
didn't get to the church for a couple years (when they had their next kid).

Where did the great-grandson of Jose think his ancestors were from?

Also, you could have your husband DNA test, the great-grandson of Jose
test, and anyone you know who is a descendant of Seraphim test. It's on
sale. You all should match each other and should match others of the
Ribeira Grande region - unless you're not from Lomba da Santa Barbara.
There's a Santa Barbara in Ponta Delgada, but it makes no sense to add on
"Lomba da" and specify that freguesia if one was from the other one.

Cheri

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