Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading

[JR]

I will PM you.

JR

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 11:33:59 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>
>
> Thanks again JR
> This is very nice :)
>
> Do I read correctly that Estevão's father is João Alvares? And what is his 
> mother's first name?
> I'm following the paternal line António Cabral -> Estevão Alvares -> João 
> Alvares -> ...
> You wouldn't happen to have any more information on that line?
>
> Cheers
> Gonçalo
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:25 PM JR > wrote:
>
>> These are the parents:
>>
>> Estevao de Sousa (or Alvares) cc Maria de Revoredo
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P93.html
>>
>> Manuel de Paiva cc Barbara de Sousa
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P91.html
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 8:12:07 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>>>
>>> Obrigado JR
>>> Gonçalo
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:35 AM JR  wrote:
>>>
 Antonio Cabral filho de Estevao Alvares e sua mulher Maria de Revoredo 
 com Maria de Sousa filha de Manoel de Paiva mariante e sua mulher Barbara 
 de Souza fregueses todos desta igreja.

 JR

 On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:49:01 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
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> Hello
>
> I need help in reading the names of the parents of António Cabral 
> [image: image.png]
> They are ??? Alvares and Maria de ???
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P116.html
>
> Cheers
> Gonçalo
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading

[Gonçalo Marques]

Thanks again JR
This is very nice :)

Do I read correctly that Estevão's father is João Alvares? And what is his
mother's first name?
I'm following the paternal line António Cabral -> Estevão Alvares -> João
Alvares -> ...
You wouldn't happen to have any more information on that line?

Cheers
Gonçalo


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:25 PM JR  wrote:

> These are the parents:
>
> Estevao de Sousa (or Alvares) cc Maria de Revoredo
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P93.html
>
> Manuel de Paiva cc Barbara de Sousa
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P91.html
>
> JR
>
> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 8:12:07 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>>
>> Obrigado JR
>> Gonçalo
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:35 AM JR  wrote:
>>
>>> Antonio Cabral filho de Estevao Alvares e sua mulher Maria de Revoredo
>>> com Maria de Sousa filha de Manoel de Paiva mariante e sua mulher Barbara
>>> de Souza fregueses todos desta igreja.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:49:01 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:

 Hello

 I need help in reading the names of the parents of António Cabral
 [image: image.png]
 They are ??? Alvares and Maria de ???


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P116.html

 Cheers
 Gonçalo

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading

[JR]

These are the parents:

Estevao de Sousa (or Alvares) cc Maria de Revoredo
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P93.html

Manuel de Paiva cc Barbara de Sousa
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P91.html

JR

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 8:12:07 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
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> Obrigado JR
> Gonçalo
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:35 AM JR > 
> wrote:
>
>> Antonio Cabral filho de Estevao Alvares e sua mulher Maria de Revoredo 
>> com Maria de Sousa filha de Manoel de Paiva mariante e sua mulher Barbara 
>> de Souza fregueses todos desta igreja.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:49:01 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> I need help in reading the names of the parents of António Cabral 
>>> [image: image.png]
>>> They are ??? Alvares and Maria de ???
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P116.html
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Gonçalo
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading

[Gonçalo Marques]

Obrigado JR
Gonçalo

On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:35 AM JR  wrote:

> Antonio Cabral filho de Estevao Alvares e sua mulher Maria de Revoredo com
> Maria de Sousa filha de Manoel de Paiva mariante e sua mulher Barbara de
> Souza fregueses todos desta igreja.
>
> JR
>
> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:49:01 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> I need help in reading the names of the parents of António Cabral
>> [image: image.png]
>> They are ??? Alvares and Maria de ???
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P116.html
>>
>> Cheers
>> Gonçalo
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading baptism record 1828 Altares

[doreencaetano]

Thank you. I will now check to see how big of a mess I have in my database. 
Upon further analysis I may have more questions.

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From: Philippe Garnier
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 4:25 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading baptism record 1828 Altares

Hi Doreen,

On the Francisca's baptism is : Francisca filha de "Francisco digo" Manoel 
Cardoso ...

On the mariage of Francisco Cardoso Jaques : he is not widow of Francisca Rosa 
but : "filho de outro do mesmo nome e de sua mulher Francisca Rosa. This 
Francisco is the brother of Manoel Cardoso married with Isabel Felicia (or 
Isabel da Conceição).

Abs

Philippe Garnier
Paris - France
https://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira

Le mardi 18 juin 2019 16:23:04 UTC+2, doreencaetano a écrit :
Well I might have a problem….
If I’m reading this correctly have a baptism record for Francisca, daughter of 
Manuel Cardoso and Isabel da Conceicao of Altares , born 2/1/1828. Francisca’s 
godparents are Jose Cardoso, son of Francisco Cardoso, and his mother Francisca 
Rosa
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P37.html
Here’s the parent’s marriage. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P123.html
 
Now here is the problem…I have the marriage of Francisco Cardoso, widow of 
Francisca Rosa, marrying Maria Rosa, daughter of Joao Goncalves Coelho and Rosa 
Joaquina in 1823. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P122.html
This means that Francisca Rosa, Francisco first wife, passed away before this 
2nd marriage and thus she could not be alive in 1828 for the baptism of her 
granddaughter. Right?
 
I know this is asking a lot (to read 3 records and check to see if I read 
something wrong) but I need help straighten out the mess I created in my 
database. Thank you for your assistance. Doreen Caetano
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a marriage record Raposo, Mosteiros

[IslandRoutes]

Cheri,
I understand what you mean. You probably noticed the "Manual" spelling 
throughout the book.  I appreciate what Demello did by indexing these 
records, but I always go to the original because he made little errors.  

Also, some might not realized that just because an entry appears in 
Demello's book that the family actually came to Hawaii.  I've found people 
that did not go to Hawaii, but years later went to Massachusetts.

I do not see where he got "deceased" and I have to try to figure out why 
Manoel Raposo, himself, listed his father as having the same name as him.  
For that manner, why he and his alleged brother took the surnames Raposo.  
If they are brothers, it is confusing that at the same time Manoel named a 
father in his passport, Francisco Raposo listed his as Pai Incognito.  If 
only our ancestors kept diaries!



On Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:58:30 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I'm not knocking Bob De Mello, but at the time he did his passaportes to 
> Hawaii book, he made some assumptions that he carried throughout the book.  
> I don't think his grasp of the Portuguese language was all that good.  So 
> he may have assumed that no father listed meant that the father had died.  
>
> So unless you can find your Manuel leaving the Azores in the Azorean 
> passaportes, I'd really question the father being deceased.  They always 
> named the father and then said deceased after his name.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a marriage record Raposo, Mosteiros

[Cheri Mello]

I'm not knocking Bob De Mello, but at the time he did his passaportes to
Hawaii book, he made some assumptions that he carried throughout the book.
I don't think his grasp of the Portuguese language was all that good.  So
he may have assumed that no father listed meant that the father had died.

So unless you can find your Manuel leaving the Azores in the Azorean
passaportes, I'd really question the father being deceased.  They always
named the father and then said deceased after his name.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

[Karen Hillman]

Thanks to all of you for the information on baptism.  Very interesting 
discussion.  It will go in my reference file.  

 

Karen Silva Hillman

Researching the islands of Pico, São Jorge & Terceira

Silva, Machado, Sousa, Gomes, Luis

 

 

 

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Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:57 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

 

Thanks Dano.

 

I will try to have a priest telling me what could be the meaning of that margin 
note. Then I will let everybody know about :)

 

 

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo

(  <http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel> http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )

 

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Margaret, 

 

You are correct everyone that is baptized in the Catholic church is
exorcised as part of the Sacrament of Baptism. In a baptism conducted at
home (under danger of death) it is done by a lay person (grandmother,
midwife etc. and as such they cannot perform the exorcism part of the
ceremony. It would make sense that later when the baby is brought to the
church, that is performed by the priest and the entry made in the church
register.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:48 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

 

Hi,

 

Every child or adult that is baptized is also exorcised.  Before the baptism
there is the exorcism. Any baptized Catholic has been exorcised. All rushed
baptisms performed in the homes were later on completed in the church by the
priest's performing the exorcism and applying the holy oils.  

 

Exorcism is a symbolic cleansing by verbal affirmation of acceptance of
faith and renunciation of all that is not of G-d spoken by the Godparents
and all others attending on behalf of the child and in response to the
Priest's questions. 

 

The action of exorcism is not tied in to an era.  It is part of each baptism
of the Catholic church. First the cleansing, 2nd the anointment with the
oils, and third the name giving and dipping of water.  

 

Hope this helps.

 

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

I don't know how helpful this Wikipedia article is on exorcism in the
Catholic Church: http://goo.gl/Tmpvs0

I wonder if the baby was epileptic and having a seizure?  Or born with a
deformity that was considered demonic?  Maybe the ears of the baby were kind
of pointed and the eyebrows somewhat arched?  But I'm thinking of *modern*
illustrations of Satan.  Don't know what they thought Satan looked like in
the very early 1700s.


Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

[Margaret Vicente]

Dano, you're welcome!




On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Dano  wrote:

> Hi Margaret, that is an excellent explanation. As for my earlier remarks,
> this was the first time that I encountered the mention of exorcism in what
> should have a baptism, and I was taken aback. We don't know what the
> condition of the child was, but, it must have been grave, for the parents
> to take the day old child to the church to be baptized. Once again thanks
> for your explanation - it does correspond to what I was taught so many
> years ago...
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 10:47:35 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Every child or adult that is baptized is also exorcised.  Before the
>> baptism there is the exorcism. Any baptized Catholic has been exorcised.
>> All rushed baptisms performed in the homes were later on completed in the
>> church by the priest's performing the exorcism and applying the holy oils.
>>
>> Exorcism is a symbolic cleansing by verbal affirmation of acceptance of
>> faith and renunciation of all that is not of G-d spoken by the Godparents
>> and all others attending on behalf of the child and in response to the
>> Priest's questions.
>>
>> The action of exorcism is not tied in to an era.  It is part of each
>> baptism of the Catholic church. First the cleansing, 2nd the anointment
>> with the oils, and third the name giving and dipping of water.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I don't know how helpful this Wikipedia article is on exorcism in the
>>> Catholic Church: http://goo.gl/Tmpvs0
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if the baby was epileptic and having a seizure?  Or born with a
>>> deformity that was considered demonic?  Maybe the ears of the baby were
>>> kind of pointed and the eyebrows somewhat arched?  But I'm thinking of
>>> *modern* illustrations of Satan.  Don't know what they thought Satan looked
>>> like in the very early 1700s.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Thanks Dano.

 

I will try to have a priest telling me what could be the meaning of that margin 
note. Then I will let everybody know about :)

 

 

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[Dano]

Hi Margaret, that is an excellent explanation. As for my earlier remarks, 
this was the first time that I encountered the mention of exorcism in what 
should have a baptism, and I was taken aback. We don't know what the 
condition of the child was, but, it must have been grave, for the parents 
to take the day old child to the church to be baptized. Once again thanks 
for your explanation - it does correspond to what I was taught so many 
years ago... 

 
On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 10:47:35 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> Every child or adult that is baptized is also exorcised.  Before the 
> baptism there is the exorcism. Any baptized Catholic has been exorcised. 
> All rushed baptisms performed in the homes were later on completed in the 
> church by the priest's performing the exorcism and applying the holy oils.  
>  
> Exorcism is a symbolic cleansing by verbal affirmation of acceptance of 
> faith and renunciation of all that is not of G-d spoken by the Godparents 
> and all others attending on behalf of the child and in response to the 
> Priest's questions. 
>  
> The action of exorcism is not tied in to an era.  It is part of each 
> baptism of the Catholic church. First the cleansing, 2nd the anointment 
> with the oils, and third the name giving and dipping of water.  
>  
> Hope this helps.
>  
>  
>  
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Cheri Mello 
> > wrote:
>  
>
>> I don't know how helpful this Wikipedia article is on exorcism in the 
>> Catholic Church: http://goo.gl/Tmpvs0
>>  
>>  
>> I wonder if the baby was epileptic and having a seizure?  Or born with a 
>> deformity that was considered demonic?  Maybe the ears of the baby were 
>> kind of pointed and the eyebrows somewhat arched?  But I'm thinking of 
>> *modern* illustrations of Satan.  Don't know what they thought Satan looked 
>> like in the very early 1700s.
>>  
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>> Tainhas, Achada 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

[Dano]

That is a pretty good article, Cheri, however, it is quite general, and 
doesn't deal with infants and baptism. The best explanation in this case 
that I've seen, is posted by Margaret, and does correspond w/ what I've 
been taught. I think your example of a baby that perhaps was ill w/ 
seizures or somewhat deformed is particularly on point, in that such 
illnesses and deformities were often attributed to the work of the devil. I 
believe that any parent who had a child that may have been weak, or in 
danger of dying, would seek out the help of G-d, since medical help wasn't 
a reality. Did I mention that this baptism was performed in the late 1600's?

On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:31:03 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I don't know how helpful this Wikipedia article is on exorcism in the 
> Catholic Church: http://goo.gl/Tmpvs0
>
> I wonder if the baby was epileptic and having a seizure?  Or born with a 
> deformity that was considered demonic?  Maybe the ears of the baby were 
> kind of pointed and the eyebrows somewhat arched?  But I'm thinking of 
> *modern* illustrations of Satan.  Don't know what they thought Satan looked 
> like in the very early 1700s.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Tainhas, Achada 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi,

Every child or adult that is baptized is also exorcised.  Before the
baptism there is the exorcism. Any baptized Catholic has been exorcised.
All rushed baptisms performed in the homes were later on completed in the
church by the priest's performing the exorcism and applying the holy oils.

Exorcism is a symbolic cleansing by verbal affirmation of acceptance of
faith and renunciation of all that is not of G-d spoken by the Godparents
and all others attending on behalf of the child and in response to the
Priest's questions.

The action of exorcism is not tied in to an era.  It is part of each
baptism of the Catholic church. First the cleansing, 2nd the anointment
with the oils, and third the name giving and dipping of water.

Hope this helps.


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I don't know how helpful this Wikipedia article is on exorcism in the
> Catholic Church: http://goo.gl/Tmpvs0
>
> I wonder if the baby was epileptic and having a seizure?  Or born with a
> deformity that was considered demonic?  Maybe the ears of the baby were
> kind of pointed and the eyebrows somewhat arched?  But I'm thinking of
> *modern* illustrations of Satan.  Don't know what they thought Satan looked
> like in the very early 1700s.
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

[Cheri Mello]

I don't know how helpful this Wikipedia article is on exorcism in the
Catholic Church: http://goo.gl/Tmpvs0

I wonder if the baby was epileptic and having a seizure?  Or born with a
deformity that was considered demonic?  Maybe the ears of the baby were
kind of pointed and the eyebrows somewhat arched?  But I'm thinking of
*modern* illustrations of Satan.  Don't know what they thought Satan looked
like in the very early 1700s.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

[Dano]

*I'm not sure - I stated such in my "attempted" translation of the record. 
I didn't make up the term - it was written in the narrative, and the 
margin, on the baptismal record. It was listed as an impediment (or not, as 
the margin was not all that informative). The use of that term both in the 
margin and the body of the document was troubling to me, considering that 
this was a baptism of a day old infant.*


*So, without going into the minutia, I believe it means is that baptism was 
considered to be a form of exorcism in church doctrine, and, may have been 
recorded as such, by some of the church's ministers, during a certain 
period, in some church records. This record was from a place that I haven't 
researched previously, and, therefore, I am not versed in the norms of that 
period, in that place, by those particular individuals. I, personally, have 
not ever seen the term used in this manner, but, my 9 years of parochial 
school education provided some insight as to how it may have 
been interpreted. Perhaps, you can enlighten us as to the true meaning of 
the document.*
On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:59:09 AM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:

> Hi Dano!
>
> Would you be so kind to explain what you mean by exorcism, please?
>
> Thank you,
>
> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>
> Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo
>
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>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *De:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *Em nome de *Dano
> *Enviada:* terça-feira, 8 de Abril de 2014 05:35
> *Para:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
> *Assunto:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record
>
>  
>
> Karen, this is a tough read for a baptism. The margin appears to be at 
> least in part in Latin. It mentions an impediment and there was an 
> exorcism. The narrative starts as you say: Miguel son of Manuel Machado 
> Gomes and his wife Maria Vieira, natives, residents, and parishioners of 
> Ribeira Seca, parish of the Apostle Sao Tiago, Villa de Calheta, Sao George 
> island, born on the twenty-eighth day of the month of September in the year 
> one thousand seven hundred and nine, refuted in exorcisms in this parish 
> church by me, Antao Homem, Vicar. Afterwards baptized at home on the 
> thirty-first day of the current month and year. Godmother was Anna Machado, 
> wife of Amaro Lopes de Sousa, son of those exorcised, also Manuel Ares, son 
> of Antonio Vieira. All natives and residents of this place and parish. I 
> date and sign with the witnesses present Padre Gonsalo Pedro 
> Machado and Joam de Mattos da Sylveira, day month and year. [signed: Vicar 
> Antao Homen; Padre Gonsalo Pedro Machado; Joao Mattos da Sylveira]
>
> :
> On Monday, April 7, 2014 10:59:19 PM UTC-4, Karen Hillman wrote:
>
> Hello, if anyone could help read this baptismal record, I would really 
> appreciate it.
>
> child is Miguel, son of Manuel Machado Gomes and Maria Vieira.  Born 28 
> Sep 1709, baptized on the 30 day of the month, However I cannot make out 
> the rest including godparents.  There is something in the margin as well.
>
>  
>
> Record is on the right hand page, bottom
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P132.html
>
>  
>
> Thank you.
>
> Karen Silva Hillman, researching Ribeira Seca, São Jorge,
>
> Sousa, Machado, Gomes
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

[Karen Hillman]

Thanks for your help Dano.  I’ve become pretty good at deciphering “standard” 
baptismal records, but this was not “standard”.  I’m with Eliseu, what do you 
think exorcism means here?

Karen

 

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

 

Karen, this is a tough read for a baptism. The margin appears to be at least in 
part in Latin. It mentions an impediment and there was an exorcism. The 
narrative starts as you say: Miguel son of Manuel Machado Gomes and his wife 
Maria Vieira, natives, residents, and parishioners of Ribeira Seca, parish of 
the Apostle Sao Tiago, Villa de Calheta, Sao George island, born on the 
twenty-eighth day of the month of September in the year one thousand seven 
hundred and nine, refuted in exorcisms in this parish church by me, Antao 
Homem, Vicar. Afterwards baptized at home on the thirty-first day of the 
current month and year. Godmother was Anna Machado, wife of Amaro Lopes de 
Sousa, son of those exorcised, also Manuel Ares, son of Antonio Vieira. All 
natives and residents of this place and parish. I date and sign with the 
witnesses present Padre Gonsalo Pedro Machado and Joam de Mattos da Sylveira, 
day month and year. [signed: Vicar Antao Homen; Padre Gonsalo Pedro Machado; 
Joao Mattos da Sylveira]

:
On Monday, April 7, 2014 10:59:19 PM UTC-4, Karen Hillman wrote:

Hello, if anyone could help read this baptismal record, I would really 
appreciate it.

child is Miguel, son of Manuel Machado Gomes and Maria Vieira.  Born 28 Sep 
1709, baptized on the 30 day of the month, However I cannot make out the rest 
including godparents.  There is something in the margin as well.

 

Record is on the right hand page, bottom

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P132.html

 

Thank you.

Karen Silva Hillman, researching Ribeira Seca, São Jorge,

Sousa, Machado, Gomes

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi Dano!

Would you be so kind to explain what you mean by exorcism, please?

Thank you,

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo

(   http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )

 

 

 

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Enviada: terça-feira, 8 de Abril de 2014 05:35
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading a record

 

Karen, this is a tough read for a baptism. The margin appears to be at least in 
part in Latin. It mentions an impediment and there was an exorcism. The 
narrative starts as you say: Miguel son of Manuel Machado Gomes and his wife 
Maria Vieira, natives, residents, and parishioners of Ribeira Seca, parish of 
the Apostle Sao Tiago, Villa de Calheta, Sao George island, born on the 
twenty-eighth day of the month of September in the year one thousand seven 
hundred and nine, refuted in exorcisms in this parish church by me, Antao 
Homem, Vicar. Afterwards baptized at home on the thirty-first day of the 
current month and year. Godmother was Anna Machado, wife of Amaro Lopes de 
Sousa, son of those exorcised, also Manuel Ares, son of Antonio Vieira. All 
natives and residents of this place and parish. I date and sign with the 
witnesses present Padre Gonsalo Pedro Machado and Joam de Mattos da Sylveira, 
day month and year. [signed: Vicar Antao Homen; Padre Gonsalo Pedro Machado; 
Joao Mattos da Sylveira]

:
On Monday, April 7, 2014 10:59:19 PM UTC-4, Karen Hillman wrote:

Hello, if anyone could help read this baptismal record, I would really 
appreciate it.

child is Miguel, son of Manuel Machado Gomes and Maria Vieira.  Born 28 Sep 
1709, baptized on the 30 day of the month, However I cannot make out the rest 
including godparents.  There is something in the margin as well.

 

Record is on the right hand page, bottom

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P132.html

 

Thank you.

Karen Silva Hillman, researching Ribeira Seca, São Jorge,

Sousa, Machado, Gomes

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