Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[MaryAnn Santos]

I was told if one's application for Portuguese citizenship is approved then
citizenship will extend to one's children. So yes, if your father becomes a
Portuguese citizen you will be able to apply as well. I'm just beginning
this process so you might want to get information from this link...

*www.portugalreconnect.com *



On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Dominick Lemas 
wrote:

> I am curious if my father is successful in gaining citizenship via
> descent, would I then be eligible to apply at a later point in time?
> Additionally, my family name changed from DeLima to Lemas when they came to
> the US. How do I represent this in my father's application?
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 12:45:16 PM UTC-4, Maryann Santos wrote:
>>
>> I just began the application process for Portuguese citizenship for
>> grandchildren of Portuguese nationals. I was told I do not have to take a
>> language test because I studied Portuguese at NYU for two semesters and I
>> also took a month-long summer course at the Universidade de Lisboa where I
>> studied language, art history, and history  - all in Portuguese. Hope it's
>> approved!
>>
>> MaryAnn
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[Cheri Mello]

Check the forum/web board. The information is there, including who needs to
pass a language test. Representing the name change in a citizenship
application is beyond the scope of this list. We mainly deal with our
ancestry and the deceased! LOL

Here's the 100+ messages on Portuguese Citizenship:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/azores/portuguese$20citizenship%7Csort:relevance

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Dominick Lemas 
wrote:

> I am curious if my father is successful in gaining citizenship via
> descent, would I then be eligible to apply at a later point in time?
> Additionally, my family name changed from DeLima to Lemas when they came to
> the US. How do I represent this in my father's application?
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 12:45:16 PM UTC-4, Maryann Santos wrote:
>>
>> I just began the application process for Portuguese citizenship for
>> grandchildren of Portuguese nationals. I was told I do not have to take a
>> language test because I studied Portuguese at NYU for two semesters and I
>> also took a month-long summer course at the Universidade de Lisboa where I
>> studied language, art history, and history  - all in Portuguese. Hope it's
>> approved!
>>
>> MaryAnn
>>
>> --
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>> Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator
>> Department of Art and Art Professions
>> NYU/Steinhardt
>> 212.998.5702 <(212)%20998-5702>
>> ma...@nyu.edu
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[David]

I'm the great-granddaughter of the immigrant, so I don't qualify.

Cheri -- Actually, you do (at least to apply), but under a different 
provision of the Lei da Nacionalidade (LN; the Nationality Law).  I'm in 
exactly the same situation but am preparing my petition for 
naturalization under this other provision.
 
In a nutshell, the LN works (in relevant part) as follows:
 
1.  Some people are inherently entitled to Portuguese citizenship.  Among 
people born outside Portugal, that includes, for example, children born 
to a Portuguese parent.  The process for such individuals to acquire 
citizenship is one of claiming that which they are automatically entitled 
to under the LN.
 
2.  Those who are not automatically entitled to receive citizenship can 
still acquire it -- through naturalization.  There are several grounds on 
which one can seek naturalization.  One of these is indeed to be a 
grandchild of a citizen (who must not have given up 
Portuguese citizenship).  Under that route, the residency requirement that 
exists for some of the other routes to naturalization does not apply, but 
there is still the requirement to have basic competence in Portuguese.
However, there are also several separate routes to naturalization available 
for special cases, and these special cases are:  people who formerly held 
Portuguese nationality; luso-descendants (without being limited to the 2nd 
degree or to the other requirements about being still alive and not having 
given up citizenship) or members of communities of Portuguese ancestry;  
and those who have provided relevant services to the Portuguese state or 
to the national community.
 
At least as I understand it, the provision about communities of Portuguese 
ancestry does not cover luso-descendants who can actually trace their 
known ancestry back to Portugal but rather is meant to provide an easier 
route to naturalization for descendants of communities such as in Goa, 
Macau, Malacca, etc., where the ties may not be traceable all the way back 
to Portugal but which are ongoing communities known historically to have 
collective genetic and cultural ties back to Portugal.  As I recall, this 
is also the provision under which Portugal now, subsequent to recent 
legislation, processes naturalization petitions from Sephardim who claim 
Portuguese descent.

The provision regarding descendentes de portugueses, descendants of 
Portuguese, is therefore the one that many of us have available to use.  By 
classifying us among special cases the LN seems to be reserving to the 
government even greater discretion as to approving naturalization 
applications than it has with respect to the other grounds for 
naturalization (such as grandchildren who meet the additional requirements 
I mention above).   In past conversations with Portuguese immigration 
lawyers, it was suggested to me that such applications would be enhanced 
(since they are special cases) if one could demonstrate involvement in 
luso-descendant communities (cultural groups, church groups, chambers of 
commerce, etc.).

Interestingly, though, this special case route does *not* include any 
language proficiency requirement.  (Nor is there a residency requirement.)
 
Unfortunately, the Portuguese Embassy site's coverage of consular services 
does not address this special cases route.  If one reads Portuguese, 
these links are very useful:

Overview of acquisition of Portuguese nationality: 
http://www.nacionalidade.sef.pt/aquisicao.htm#  
Questions and answers about acquisition of Portuguese nationality:  
*http://www.nacionalidade.sef.pt/duvidas.html#a6*http://www.nacionalidade.sef.pt/duvidas.html#a6

From the above links, these are the most relevant excerpts for those of us 
who are special cases, i.e., you cannot meet the requirements as a 
grandchild, whether because your last Portuguese citizen ancestor was 
further back (e.g., for me it's three great-grandparents and two 
great-great-grandparents), or your grandparent gave up Portuguese 
nationality, or you don't speak at least basic Portuguese:

Em casos especiais: (n.º 6 do art. 6.º da LN)

O Governo pode conceder a nacionalidade portuguesa, por naturalização, em 
casos especiais, aos estrangeiros que já foram detentores da 
nacionalidadeportuguesa, aos havidos como descendentes de portugueses, aos 
membros de 
comunidades de ascendência portuguesa e aos estrangeiros que tenham 
prestado ou sejam chamados a prestar serviços relevantes ao Estado 
Português ou à comunidade nacional, quando satisfaçam os seguintes 
requisitos:

Ser maior de idade (18 anos) ou ser emancipado à face da lei portuguesa; 

Não ter sido condenado, com trânsito em julgado da sentença, pela prática 
de crime punível com pena de prisão de máximo igual ou superior a 3 anos, 
segunda a lei portuguesa.

* * *

*H**avidos como descendentes de portugueses ou membros de comunidades de 
ascendência portugues*a

   - Certidão do registo de nascimento do interessado;
   - Certidões 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[John Raposo]

I also seem to have misunderstood my local Portuguese Consul. He told me that I 
needed to be either the son or grandson of a Portuguese citizen in order to 
become a Portuguese citizen. I qualified and became a citizen; the process only 
took two weeks but getting a passport and identity card took longer (about two 
months). I had to have the identity card before the passport could be issued. 
Portuguese citizenship as well as the ID and passport helped make somethings 
easier in Portugal and also opened some doors. He told me that my daughter, not 
being the daughter or granddaughter of a Portuguese citizen, could only become 
a citizen AFTER I became a citizen myself.

Perhaps I misunderstood.





On Thursday, December 5, 2013 4:02 PM, Kawika322 oldschoo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
That is interesting information to know. From what I have read though, I 
thought that you would only be eligible to obtain Portuguese citizenship or 
dual citizenship if a parent or grandparent was born in Portugal (up 2 to 
generations worth). In other words, if your great-grandmother was born in 
Portugal and everyone else--your grandmother, mother etc. were born in the 
states, then you would not be eligible, but they would be. 

I may have misread the info, but that is what i remember reading. 

 David

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 11:38:03 AM UTC-8, David Perry wrote:
FYI - Portugal considers all descendants of folks born in Portugal to be 
citizens of Portugal.  All one needs is an unbroken paper trail back to your 
ancestor who was born there and you can become a dual citizen of Portugal and 
the US.  My father was born in Sao Miguel and after gathering the proper forms 
and paying a few hundred dollars to my local Portuguese Consulate, just today 
after about 9 months, I was notified I'm officially a Portuguese citizen even 
though I was born in Massachusetts.  The only wrinkle in my paper trail was my 
father changed his name from Pereira to Perry and that would have broken the 
trail except back in 1938 he officially changed his name in this country.  
Without that document, it wouldn't have happened.  It's easiest to do if a 
parent was born there, more difficult if it's a grandparent - the trail gets 
longer and fuzzier - though it's still possible.  
 
I did this, not for me - I'm too old to care one way or another but for one 
son who has expressed a desire to open a BB in semi-retirement in the Azores. 
 He too is eligible since his grandfather was born there and now his father is 
a citizen as well.  Not only does it pave the way for him to work, live and 
run a business in Portugal but as a citizen of a European Union country, he 
can essentially do that anywhere in Europe.  
David    
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[Cheri Mello]

I understood the same thing John Raposo did.  I'm the great-granddaughter
of the immigrant, so I don't qualify. My dad would have to become a
Portuguese citizen.  He's not interested.  They don't have a bridge to
drive his motor home/recreational vehicle there, so he's not going anywhere
except the U.S. and Canada.  LOL
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[Marilyn Thompson]

Didn't we have something about this dual citizenship sometime back? I was
thinking someone said there were some other requirements. I will try to
find what it takes.

I qualify for second generation



On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:49 PM, David Perry djperr...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 I miss-spoke when I said all descendants.  I believe it's only the first
 two generations that are eligible but I didn't ask about that since I was
 the first generation and my children would be the second.  I don't know if
 my grandchildren could become dual citizens based on my citizenship or that
 of my children should they choose to apply.  I'm pretty sure my
 grandchildren couldn't apply directly based solely on their great
 grandfather's birth in the Azores.  Sorry about any confusion.
 David Perry

 On Thursday, December 5, 2013 11:38:03 AM UTC-8, David Perry wrote:

 FYI - Portugal considers all descendants of folks born in Portugal to be
 citizens of Portugal.  All one needs is an unbroken paper trail back to
 your ancestor who was born there and you can become a dual citizen of
 Portugal and the US.  My father was born in Sao Miguel and after gathering
 the proper forms and paying a few hundred dollars to my local Portuguese
 Consulate, just today after about 9 months, I was notified I'm officially a
 Portuguese citizen even though I was born in Massachusetts.  The only
 wrinkle in my paper trail was my father changed his name from Pereira to
 Perry and that would have broken the trail except back in 1938 he
 officially changed his name in this country.  Without that document, it
 wouldn't have happened.  It's easiest to do if a parent was born there,
 more difficult if it's a grandparent - the trail gets longer and fuzzier -
 though it's still possible.

 I did this, not for me - I'm too old to care one way or another but for
 one son who has expressed a desire to open a BB in semi-retirement in the
 Azores.  He too is eligible since his grandfather was born there and now
 his father is a citizen as well.  Not only does it pave the way for him to
 work, live and run a business in Portugal but as a citizen of a European
 Union country, he can essentially do that anywhere in Europe.
 David

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[Fatima]

My husband and I are naturalized U.S. Citizens (I was born in Santa Maria,
Acores and my husband was born in Faial, Acores) and applied for dual
citizenship, so that our children (U.S. born) would be able to become
Portuguese citizens, which they now are.  I was told that my children would
not be able to apply for Portuguese citizenship until my husband or I
regained our Portuguese citizenship.

I hope that this information is helpful.

Fatima


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Kawika322 oldschoo...@gmail.com wrote:

 That is interesting information to know. From what I have read though, I
 thought that you would only be eligible to obtain Portuguese citizenship or
 dual citizenship if a parent or grandparent was born in Portugal (up 2 to
 generations worth). In other words, if your great-grandmother was born in
 Portugal and everyone else--your grandmother, mother etc. were born in the
 states, then you would not be eligible, but they would be.

 I may have misread the info, but that is what i remember reading.

  David


 On Thursday, December 5, 2013 11:38:03 AM UTC-8, David Perry wrote:

 FYI - Portugal considers all descendants of folks born in Portugal to be
 citizens of Portugal.  All one needs is an unbroken paper trail back to
 your ancestor who was born there and you can become a dual citizen of
 Portugal and the US.  My father was born in Sao Miguel and after gathering
 the proper forms and paying a few hundred dollars to my local Portuguese
 Consulate, just today after about 9 months, I was notified I'm officially a
 Portuguese citizen even though I was born in Massachusetts.  The only
 wrinkle in my paper trail was my father changed his name from Pereira to
 Perry and that would have broken the trail except back in 1938 he
 officially changed his name in this country.  Without that document, it
 wouldn't have happened.  It's easiest to do if a parent was born there,
 more difficult if it's a grandparent - the trail gets longer and fuzzier -
 though it's still possible.

 I did this, not for me - I'm too old to care one way or another but for
 one son who has expressed a desire to open a BB in semi-retirement in the
 Azores.  He too is eligible since his grandfather was born there and now
 his father is a citizen as well.  Not only does it pave the way for him to
 work, live and run a business in Portugal but as a citizen of a European
 Union country, he can essentially do that anywhere in Europe.
 David

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[ttcostadc]

Group,

I know this is a long shot, but does anyone have any idea if it's possible, if 
your document-proven great-grandfather is Portuguese, given minimum residency 
and passing the language test?
Thank you.

-Trevor Costa


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Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:16 am
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship


On Feb 2, 10:06 pm, \E\ Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here is an interesting blog with information on this subject and other info
 as well.

 http://azoresnation.com/profiles/blogs/becoming-portuguese
This blog entry starts out: I had heard that being the child or
randchild of a Portuguese National, we able to apply for Portuguese
itizenship. Indeed, this is true!
The information then given from the embassy actually says nothing at
ll about grandparents, only parents.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[Guida Leicester]

Trevor,
My grandfather was Portuguese and my understanding from recent posts is that 
only parents' Portuguese heritage counts toward citizenship these days, yes?
Guida



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To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship
 

Group,
 
I know this is a long shot, but does anyone have any idea if it's possible, if 
your document-proven great-grandfather is Portuguese, given minimum residency 
and passing the language test?
Thank you.

-Trevor Costa


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship


On Feb 2, 10:06 pm, \E\ Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote:  Here is an 
interesting blog with information on this subject and other info
 as well.

 http://azoresnation.com/profiles/blogs/becoming-portuguese This blog entry 
 starts out: I had heard that being the child or
grandchild of a Portuguese National, we able to apply for Portuguese
Citizenship. Indeed, this is true! The information then given from the embassy 
actually says nothing at
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[helen kerner]

It's my understanding that the majority of Americans applying for Portuguese 
passports to obtain dual citizenship are children of people born in portugal.  


They can travel in the 27 EU countries with ease, live there or work there sans 
visas and a whole lot more.   


You don't need a Portuguese passport when traveling in the EU countries since 
the Portuguese ID card (BI) is all that is asked for.  The ease of travel 
within 
the EU countries was the reason I looked into this about six years ago.  

helen cunha kerner  

  



 


From: Nivea nivea...@gmail.com
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Sent: Thu, February 2, 2012 6:01:06 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

Dual citizenship also comes in handy when traveling to countries that
aren't US friendly... I have a friend that travel to different
countries because of his work  he would use the Portuguese passport
in some countries... it made him feel safer... unfortunately, US
citizens are not loved all over the world  some will target people
traveling with a US passport...

Another 2 cents...  ;-)

Nivea

On Jan 31, 11:12 pm, Katharine katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'd imagine that most people looking into dual citizenship might be
 retirees thinking about spending part of the year in Portugal.
 Katharine.

 On Jan 31, 11:32 am, Thomas da/de Costa Vasconcelos Rodrigues Gouveia



 Oliveira Cabral thomas.deco...@usmc.mil wrote:
  Just one caveat - If you are applying for a US Government security
  clearance, they will not look kindly on dual-citizenship status.- Hide 
  quoted 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[Cheri Mello]

Well, Steve, that's the media for you.  I have been interviewed for
newspapers and then the article is written in such a way (with a quote
completely out of context) that the article is dead wrong.  Makes one
wonder about our news (print and television).

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[E Sharp]

Here is an interesting blog with information on this subject and other info
as well.

http://azoresnation.com/profiles/blogs/becoming-portuguese

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[Sam Koester]

So, if I am reading this right, your Parents,  one or both, must be Portuguese 
citizens.  Grandparents doesn't do it!

Sam in Maz

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Here is an interesting blog with information on this subject and other info as 
well.

 

http://azoresnation.com/profiles/blogs/becoming-portuguese

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[Pat McCoy]

Does this mean for dual citizenship or the requirement to renounce one
citizenship for the other?

Pat McCoy
===
On 1/25/12, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:
 To become a Portuguese citizen is also to become a Europe Union citizen
 since Portugal is a member state. This means that you are able to recieive
 all benefits they offer. There is a EU Health Insurance Card that
 guarantees quality care across borders, There is the Erasmus Programme of
 University Exchange that offers internships and housing assistance. Look at
 their website for a complete picture
 http://europa.eu/index_en.htm

 Eric Edgar





 On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Marilyn Thompson mari...@jmtmlt.comwrote:

 What is the reason you would want to become a Portuguese citizen? Do not
 get me wrong there is nothing wrong with it, I am just trying to
 understand.
 I also have a question, in this case does the Azores birth qualify for a
 grandparent born in Portugal?

  On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM, m_kent m_k...@comcast.net wrote:

 Tomas,
 How did you establish proof of connection? Did you get Azorean baptism
 and/or birth records certified in the Azores?  Who would I contact to
 do this?


 On Jan 24, 1:21 am, Tomas Leal tomasl...@comcast.net wrote:
  My understanding--which was confirmed when I met recently with the
  Portuguese Consul General in San Francisco--is you must meet four
  requirements:
   1 - Have a grandparent born in Portugal (which means, of course,
  proof of the person's birth and your connection)
   2 - No criminal record
   3 - Three years' residency in Portugal
   4 - Passing a Portuguese language exam
 
  For me, only the last one remains, so I'm working on my Portuguese. I
  have the residency, via an affidavit by the president of the village
  in Pico where I have a home and spend significant portion of the
  year each year.
 
  Tomás Leal

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[eric edgar]

No, you can be a US citizen and be a citizen of an EU country. The US sees
you just as a US citizen like anyone else. I recently completed a project
for a person who

was granted Italian citizenship through the grandparents. Their rules
differ from Portugal in that they don't require the residency or the
languague test. Irish citizenship

standards  similar to Italy's. I have a friend who's work at the Irish
consulate was to verify the genealogical records establishing parentage.

Eric Edgar

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Pat McCoy pat.mccoy1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does this mean for dual citizenship or the requirement to renounce one
 citizenship for the other?

 Pat McCoy
 ===
  On 1/25/12, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:
  To become a Portuguese citizen is also to become a Europe Union citizen
  since Portugal is a member state. This means that you are able to
 recieive
  all benefits they offer. There is a EU Health Insurance Card that
  guarantees quality care across borders, There is the Erasmus Programme of
  University Exchange that offers internships and housing assistance. Look
 at
  their website for a complete picture
  http://europa.eu/index_en.htm
 
  Eric Edgar
 
 
 
 
 
  On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Marilyn Thompson mari...@jmtmlt.com
 wrote:
 
  What is the reason you would want to become a Portuguese citizen? Do not
  get me wrong there is nothing wrong with it, I am just trying to
  understand.
  I also have a question, in this case does the Azores birth qualify for a
  grandparent born in Portugal?
 
   On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM, m_kent m_k...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  Tomas,
  How did you establish proof of connection? Did you get Azorean baptism
  and/or birth records certified in the Azores?  Who would I contact to
  do this?
 
 
  On Jan 24, 1:21 am, Tomas Leal tomasl...@comcast.net wrote:
   My understanding--which was confirmed when I met recently with the
   Portuguese Consul General in San Francisco--is you must meet four
   requirements:
1 - Have a grandparent born in Portugal (which means, of course,
   proof of the person's birth and your connection)
2 - No criminal record
3 - Three years' residency in Portugal
4 - Passing a Portuguese language exam
  
   For me, only the last one remains, so I'm working on my Portuguese. I
   have the residency, via an affidavit by the president of the village
   in Pico where I have a home and spend significant portion of the
   year each year.
  
   Tomás Leal
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[eric edgar]

To become a Portuguese citizen is also to become a Europe Union citizen
since Portugal is a member state. This means that you are able to recieive
all benefits they offer. There is a EU Health Insurance Card that
guarantees quality care across borders, There is the Erasmus Programme of
University Exchange that offers internships and housing assistance. Look at
their website for a complete picture
http://europa.eu/index_en.htm

Eric Edgar





On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Marilyn Thompson mari...@jmtmlt.comwrote:

 What is the reason you would want to become a Portuguese citizen? Do not
 get me wrong there is nothing wrong with it, I am just trying to
 understand.
 I also have a question, in this case does the Azores birth qualify for a
 grandparent born in Portugal?

  On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM, m_kent m_k...@comcast.net wrote:

 Tomas,
 How did you establish proof of connection? Did you get Azorean baptism
 and/or birth records certified in the Azores?  Who would I contact to
 do this?


 On Jan 24, 1:21 am, Tomas Leal tomasl...@comcast.net wrote:
  My understanding--which was confirmed when I met recently with the
  Portuguese Consul General in San Francisco--is you must meet four
  requirements:
   1 - Have a grandparent born in Portugal (which means, of course,
  proof of the person's birth and your connection)
   2 - No criminal record
   3 - Three years' residency in Portugal
   4 - Passing a Portuguese language exam
 
  For me, only the last one remains, so I'm working on my Portuguese. I
  have the residency, via an affidavit by the president of the village
  in Pico where I have a home and spend significant portion of the
  year each year.
 
  Tomás Leal

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[Marilyn Thompson]

What is the reason you would want to become a Portuguese citizen? Do not
get me wrong there is nothing wrong with it, I am just trying to
understand.
I also have a question, in this case does the Azores birth qualify for a
grandparent born in Portugal?

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM, m_kent m_k...@comcast.net wrote:

 Tomas,
 How did you establish proof of connection? Did you get Azorean baptism
 and/or birth records certified in the Azores?  Who would I contact to
 do this?


 On Jan 24, 1:21 am, Tomas Leal tomasl...@comcast.net wrote:
  My understanding--which was confirmed when I met recently with the
  Portuguese Consul General in San Francisco--is you must meet four
  requirements:
   1 - Have a grandparent born in Portugal (which means, of course,
  proof of the person's birth and your connection)
   2 - No criminal record
   3 - Three years' residency in Portugal
   4 - Passing a Portuguese language exam
 
  For me, only the last one remains, so I'm working on my Portuguese. I
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  in Pico where I have a home and spend significant portion of the
  year each year.
 
  Tomás Leal

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