Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Tomas Leal]

To some extent, what Ángela Loura points out is made even more difficult by 
the *acordo* from the 1990s by which the Portuguese-speaking world 
agreed--to varying degrees--on standardizing spellings going forward, based 
on how they were actually being said. For example, many words that had "ct" 
in them, such as "projecto" changed to show how they were being pronounced: 
"projeto." (If only English did the same!) Thus, "Baptista" is now spelled 
"Batista." However, when doing genealogy, we strive to stay with the 
spellings as they actually appear on documents. For example, my 
great-grandmother's name appears as "Francesca" despite the fact that the 
only spelling I've seen--including for her own daughter--is "Francisca."

Then we have to factor in human error, as in the priest performing the 
baptism and not paying closer attention to what he's actually writing or 
the peasant pronouncing a name in such a way that the person writing it 
hears something else.

Tomás Leal

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

It sounds wonderful, Tomas, what you and your family did to preserve the
past.

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Tomas Leal  wrote:

> Thank you for your comment, Sam. When pour house was first ready for
> occupancy at the end of 2009, many locals thought we were crazy to build a
> "new" house out of the stones and roof tiles of ruins, and worse that than
> to assemble those pieces to give the impression the "new" house was already
> from the 1800s. Really, the neighbors thought we were crazy--until I
> explained to them (in my then-rudimentary Portuguese) that we believed we
> should honor our Azorean ancestors and respect the past. My response struck
> a chord with several local residents, and since that time they have come to
> respect what we've done. Restoring Laureano's house cemented our place in
> the community and coincided with a resurgence of interest in the past and
> preserving the adega-style architecture of the area, which so many of the
> locals viewed as reminders of the past of poverty and desperation. More of
> them now see the beauty of what our ancestors did in the face of terrible
> adversity.
>
> I take for granted what we did, and I find once again I need a
> reminder--thank you, Sam--that rediscovering and then preserving our
> heritage is perhaps one of the most important things we can do in our time
> here.
>
> Tomás Leal
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 4:46:29 PM UTC, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
>>
>> Tomás;  You’ve obviously done a service to the community and to the
>> hearts of its residents.  Well done.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Camas, WA)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Tomas Leal]

Thank you for your comment, Sam. When pour house was first ready for 
occupancy at the end of 2009, many locals thought we were crazy to build a 
"new" house out of the stones and roof tiles of ruins, and worse that than 
to assemble those pieces to give the impression the "new" house was already 
from the 1800s. Really, the neighbors thought we were crazy--until I 
explained to them (in my then-rudimentary Portuguese) that we believed we 
should honor our Azorean ancestors and respect the past. My response struck 
a chord with several local residents, and since that time they have come to 
respect what we've done. Restoring Laureano's house cemented our place in 
the community and coincided with a resurgence of interest in the past and 
preserving the adega-style architecture of the area, which so many of the 
locals viewed as reminders of the past of poverty and desperation. More of 
them now see the beauty of what our ancestors did in the face of terrible 
adversity.

I take for granted what we did, and I find once again I need a 
reminder--thank you, Sam--that rediscovering and then preserving our 
heritage is perhaps one of the most important things we can do in our time 
here.

Tomás Leal


On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 4:46:29 PM UTC, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
>
> Tomás;  You’ve obviously done a service to the community and to the hearts 
> of its residents.  Well done.
>
>  
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
>  
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Liz Migliori]

Lol right

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2017, at 6:22 AM, Tomas Leal  wrote:
> 
> Oops! I just did a search on the complete text of Mau Tempo do Canal and 
> discovered TWO spellings for the name of the same person! Nemésio also shows 
> it as "Lauriano" when listing some townspeople of Santo Amaro but "Laureano" 
> when quoting the sister Maria Margarida when she speaks with her brother 
> Laureano. No wonder there's so much confusion about the spelling of 
> names!Yikes! 
> 
> This second spelling (which we put in azulejos on the façade of the restored 
> building) is the one confirmed for us by the owners of the Escola Regional de 
> Artesenato de Santo Amaro, twins Alzira and Conceição Neves, both of whom 
> knew Laureano when they were children and young adults. (Laureano died in the 
> early 1960s.)
> 
> Oh well, who ever said genealogical research would be simple?
> 
> Tomás
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Liz Migliori]

I've not heard of them before for Portuguese.   So for me they are uncommon. 
Especially in my lines

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> On Aug 15, 2017, at 11:55 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> I think that's the first time I've see Laurianno in my research! Glad you 
> figured out the last name too. 
> 
> Rosemarie
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> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> I found out the correct modern spelling: Lauriano
>> 
>> I'd put Lauriano Falcao (or Falção if you use diacritics) iin your computer 
>> program and in your memo or notes field put it was spelled as Laurianno or 
>> whatever it said.
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Ângela Loura  wrote:
>>> Hi Liz,
>>> 
>>> Laureanno Falcão
>>> 
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>>> 2017-08-15 17:07 GMT+01:00 Elizabeth Migliori :
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874_item1/P115.html
 
 can someone tell me the name of the maternal grandfather of Filomeno 
 #56 on right side
 
 Thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

A relative of mine that died recently was called Laureano. I guess this is
one of those cases where we can use both forms nowadays. Laureano/Lauriano,
Açoreano/Açoriano, Victor/Vitor, Baptista/Batista, etc...

2017-08-16 11:22 GMT+01:00 Tomas Leal :

> Oops! I just did a search on the complete text of *Mau Tempo do Canal* and
> discovered TWO spellings for the name of the same person! Nemésio also
> shows it as "Lauriano" when listing some townspeople of Santo Amaro but
> "Laureano" when quoting the sister Maria Margarida when she speaks with her
> brother Laureano. No wonder there's so much confusion about the spelling of
> names!Yikes!
>
> This second spelling (which we put in azulejos on the façade of the
> restored building) is the one confirmed for us by the owners of the Escola
> Regional de Artesenato de Santo Amaro, twins Alzira and Conceição Neves,
> both of whom knew Laureano when they were children and young adults.
> (Laureano died in the early 1960s.)
>
> Oh well, who ever said genealogical research would be simple?
>
> Tomás
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Cheri Mello]

Oops, Lauriano Falcão. No cedilla (ç) under the "c." I type too much
Conceição and I just typed that in Falção out of habit. Sorry for the
misspelling!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:46 AM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Tomás;  You’ve obviously done a service to the community and to the hearts
> of its residents.  Well done.
>
>
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
>
>
> *From: *Tomas Leal <tomasl...@comcast.net>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 16, 2017 3:08 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria
>
>
>
> The spelling of names in the past is always a challenge, especially with
> varying degrees of literacy and the near-absence of widespread
> communication that could help form standards as with Maria, João, José,
> Manuel, António, and so on. So many other names have variant spellings
> because of the use of spelling as something sounded, based on the local
> pronunciation.
>
>
>
> Here on Pico, the "standard" spelling is Laureano. Many years ago, a
> well-known resident in Terra Alta, Santo Amaro had a near-mythic place in
> the minds of residents. His "fame" caught the attention of Vitorino
> Nemesio, who included a mention of Laureano in *Mau Tempo do Canal.* |A
> copy of the page from the book was made into an azulejo decoration for the
> ferry terminal in Horta (and it was moved from the old terminal to the new
> building).
>
>
>
> I was delighted to see the azulejo and a written spelling of the name
> because I now live on the property of Laureano's home as an adult, when he
> gained his "fame." The house was a ruin that posed danger so we rebuilt it
> to last another few hundred years. In the clearing, we found a few
> "artifacts" in the ruin, including the ink bottle he used with his writing
> to judges in São Roque, who valued his opinions based on his voluminous
> reading. We restored the ruin to its original appearance and named it "Casa
> do Laueano," much to the delight of several older residents, one of whom
> had tears in her eyes when she first saw the restored building.
>
>
>
> Tomás Leal
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Tomás;  You’ve obviously done a service to the community and to the hearts of 
its residents.  Well done.

Sam (Camas, WA)

From: Tomas Leal
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 3:08 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

The spelling of names in the past is always a challenge, especially with 
varying degrees of literacy and the near-absence of widespread communication 
that could help form standards as with Maria, João, José, Manuel, António, and 
so on. So many other names have variant spellings because of the use of 
spelling as something sounded, based on the local pronunciation.

Here on Pico, the "standard" spelling is Laureano. Many years ago, a well-known 
resident in Terra Alta, Santo Amaro had a near-mythic place in the minds of 
residents. His "fame" caught the attention of Vitorino Nemesio, who included a 
mention of Laureano in Mau Tempo do Canal. |A copy of the page from the book 
was made into an azulejo decoration for the ferry terminal in Horta (and it was 
moved from the old terminal to the new building). 

I was delighted to see the azulejo and a written spelling of the name because I 
now live on the property of Laureano's home as an adult, when he gained his 
"fame." The house was a ruin that posed danger so we rebuilt it to last another 
few hundred years. In the clearing, we found a few "artifacts" in the ruin, 
including the ink bottle he used with his writing to judges in São Roque, who 
valued his opinions based on his voluminous reading. We restored the ruin to 
its original appearance and named it "Casa do Laueano," much to the delight of 
several older residents, one of whom had tears in her eyes when she first saw 
the restored building.

Tomás Leal

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Tomas Leal]

Oops! I just did a search on the complete text of *Mau Tempo do Canal* and 
discovered TWO spellings for the name of the same person! Nemésio also 
shows it as "Lauriano" when listing some townspeople of Santo Amaro but 
"Laureano" when quoting the sister Maria Margarida when she speaks with her 
brother Laureano. No wonder there's so much confusion about the spelling of 
names!Yikes! 

This second spelling (which we put in azulejos on the façade of the 
restored building) is the one confirmed for us by the owners of the Escola 
Regional de Artesenato de Santo Amaro, twins Alzira and Conceição Neves, 
both of whom knew Laureano when they were children and young adults. 
(Laureano died in the early 1960s.)

Oh well, who ever said genealogical research would be simple?

Tomás

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Tomas Leal]

The spelling of names in the past is always a challenge, especially with 
varying degrees of literacy and the near-absence of widespread 
communication that could help form standards as with Maria, João, José, 
Manuel, António, and so on. So many other names have variant spellings 
because of the use of spelling as something sounded, based on the local 
pronunciation.

Here on Pico, the "standard" spelling is Laureano. Many years ago, a 
well-known resident in Terra Alta, Santo Amaro had a near-mythic place in 
the minds of residents. His "fame" caught the attention of Vitorino 
Nemesio, who included a mention of Laureano in *Mau Tempo do Canal.* |A 
copy of the page from the book was made into an azulejo decoration for the 
ferry terminal in Horta (and it was moved from the old terminal to the new 
building). 

I was delighted to see the azulejo and a written spelling of the name 
because I now live on the property of Laureano's home as an adult, when he 
gained his "fame." The house was a ruin that posed danger so we rebuilt it 
to last another few hundred years. In the clearing, we found a few 
"artifacts" in the ruin, including the ink bottle he used with his writing 
to judges in São Roque, who valued his opinions based on his voluminous 
reading. We restored the ruin to its original appearance and named it "Casa 
do Laueano," much to the delight of several older residents, one of whom 
had tears in her eyes when she first saw the restored building.

Tomás Leal

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[Rosemarie Capodicci]

I think that's the first time I've see Laurianno in my research! Glad you
figured out the last name too.

Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I found out the correct modern spelling: Lauriano
>
> I'd put Lauriano Falcao (or Falção if you use diacritics) iin your
> computer program and in your memo or notes field put it was spelled as
> Laurianno or whatever it said.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Liz,
>>
>> Laureanno Falcão
>>
>>
>> 
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>>
>> 2017-08-15 17:07 GMT+01:00 Elizabeth Migliori :
>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874_i
>>> tem1/P115.html
>>>
>>> can someone tell me the name of the maternal grandfather of Filomeno
>>> #56 on right side
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Cheri Mello]

I know a man with the first name Lauriano. And I know people with the
surname Falção. I don't know what you mean by normal. I think both are
regular names. I don't know how common or uncommon they are.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Liz Migliori  wrote:

> Thanks.  I would have NEVER figured that one.  Is that a normal Portuguese
> name
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 15, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> I found out the correct modern spelling: Lauriano
>
> I'd put Lauriano Falcao (or Falção if you use diacritics) iin your
> computer program and in your memo or notes field put it was spelled as
> Laurianno or whatever it said.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Liz,
>>
>> Laureanno Falcão
>>
>>
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>> 2017-08-15 17:07 GMT+01:00 Elizabeth Migliori :
>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874_i
>>> tem1/P115.html
>>>
>>> can someone tell me the name of the maternal grandfather of Filomeno
>>> #56 on right side
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Liz Migliori]

Thanks.  I would have NEVER figured that one.  Is that a normal Portuguese name

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> On Aug 15, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> I found out the correct modern spelling: Lauriano
> 
> I'd put Lauriano Falcao (or Falção if you use diacritics) iin your computer 
> program and in your memo or notes field put it was spelled as Laurianno or 
> whatever it said.
> 
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>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Ângela Loura  wrote:
>> Hi Liz,
>> 
>> Laureanno Falcão
>> 
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>> 2017-08-15 17:07 GMT+01:00 Elizabeth Migliori :
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874_item1/P115.html
>>> 
>>> can someone tell me the name of the maternal grandfather of Filomeno 
>>> #56 on right side
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Cheri Mello]

I found out the correct modern spelling: Lauriano

I'd put Lauriano Falcao (or Falção if you use diacritics) iin your computer
program and in your memo or notes field put it was spelled as Laurianno or
whatever it said.

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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> Hi Liz,
>
> Laureanno Falcão
>
>
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> 2017-08-15 17:07 GMT+01:00 Elizabeth Migliori :
>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874_
>> item1/P115.html
>>
>> can someone tell me the name of the maternal grandfather of Filomeno
>> #56 on right side
>>
>> Thanks
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Cheri Mello]

I think it's Laurianno Falção. Laurianno is spelled differently today, but
I don't know the spelling.

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On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
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> Liz, I think the first name is Laurianno but the last? Faleao? I thought
> at first that it was an 'S' but then it looks like there is the cross for
> an 'F'. Perhaps someone familier with the village can be of more help!
>
> Rosemarie
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> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Elizabeth Migliori 
> wrote:
>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874_
>> item1/P115.html
>>
>> can someone tell me the name of the maternal grandfather of Filomeno
>> #56 on right side
>>
>> Thanks
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Liz,

Laureanno Falcão


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2017-08-15 17:07 GMT+01:00 Elizabeth Migliori :

> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
> VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-
> 1874_item1/P115.html
>
> can someone tell me the name of the maternal grandfather of Filomeno
> #56 on right side
>
> Thanks
> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trans help Bap Santa Maria

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Liz, I think the first name is Laurianno but the last? Faleao? I thought at
first that it was an 'S' but then it looks like there is the cross for an
'F'. Perhaps someone familier with the village can be of more help!

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
> VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-1874/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1870-
> 1874_item1/P115.html
>
> can someone tell me the name of the maternal grandfather of Filomeno
> #56 on right side
>
> Thanks
> Liz
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