Re: [backstage] iPlayer - RSS feed?

[Brian Butterworth]

Just been thinking about this a bit more and it seems to me that each page
of the iPlayer should be presenting an RSS fee anyway. It seems the site
uses a parameter line this...

?filter=txdate:13-08&filter=txslot:evening

...which should be the same parameters used for the RSS feed too?


On 13/08/07, Jonathan Tweed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 13 Aug 2007, at 19:22, Brian Butterworth wrote:
>
> > That would be excellent - if the expire date and time could be
> > included that would be very helpful.
>
> Hi Brian
>
> I'll pass this on.
>
> Cheers
> Jonathan
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Re: [backstage] BT denies pressurising the BBC over iPlayer

[Brian Butterworth]

If these Internet Service Providers don't want to provide Internet access
that makes them another Great British oxymoron, surely?

Which reminds me, why doesn't Virgin Media use their 100Mb/s connections
they use to connect to the set-top boxes and cable modems to provide a
100Mb/s service - they could blow BSkyB out of the water as ADSL simply
can't manage that...



On 13/08/07, Glyn Wintle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Oh trust me the Open Rights Group has been watching this issue for some
> time.
> http://www.openrightsgroup.org/orgwiki/index.php/Net_Neutrality#UK
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:25:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [backstage] BT denies pressurising the BBC over iPlayer
>
> Glyn,
>
> You wouldn't think that all those fibre optic pathways that connect the
> telephone exchanges together are bi-directional - but the service sold to
> the punters is asymmetric.  So BT want people to pay AGAIN for something
> they can't actually use
>
>
> On 13/08/07, Glyn Wintle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if BT is worried about being seen to operate in a cartel with
> > other ISPs on this issue.
> >
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/13/bt_denies_iplayer_worries/
> > Author: Chris Williams
> >
> > BT has denied reports that it is working with other ISPs to pressurise
> > the BBC or consumers into paying extra for delivery of iPlayer on demand TV
> > shows.
> >
> > Chief press officer Adam Liversage contacted The Reg this afternoon to
> > distance the telco from a predictable net neutrality row. He countered
> > reports citing unnamed BT sources in The Independent on Sunday, Financial
> > Times, and Mail on Sunday that link the telco with comments from Tiscali
> > boss Mary Turner. She said the bandwidth demands of the iPlayer may be too
> > much for ISPs to bear.
> > Liversage wrote: "Whilst we've been fingered as 'part of the gang' in
> > certain press reports, BT is not complaining about or discussing the
> > implications of iPlayer with the BBC."
> >
> > The IOS story had quoted a "senior insider": "It is certainly a live
> > debate between ISPs and the BBC. If the BBC gets the numbers it wants for
> > iPlayer then network capacity could become an issue." The paper reported
> > that BT had made its feelings known to the Beeb's new media chief Ashley
> > Highfield.
> >
> > Liversage rebuffed the claims: "We're not up in arms about iPlayer,
> > we're not complaining to the BBC or discussing it with them."
> >
> > He wrote that BT's only concern over iPlayer was that people would be
> > unaware that the Kontiki P2P distribution system which runs in the
> > background would be eating into their monthly GB usage allowance even when
> > they are not viewing or downloading.
> > So there you have it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[Matthew Cashmore]

Hi Andy - that's really informative - thanks very much :-)

m


On 13/8/07 21:27, "Andy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 13/08/07, Matthew Cashmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Cool Perhaps someone would like to post to the list why this protest is
>> happening, what it's aims are (if any) and what are the points that the
>> group would like to get across are?
> 
> You could try the "groups" website(s).
> Defective By Designs website is: http://defectivebydesign.org/
> A quick bit of background to provide you with some context (provide
> corrections anyone if this is incorrect):
> DBD is a project run by the Free Software Foundation (FSF). DBD's main
> purpose is the abolition of DRM (Digital Rights Management, or Digital
> Restriction Management, depending on your view). The FSF is the main
> sponsor of the Gnu Project, I project that aims to provide a
> completely free Operating System. Not just free in that you don't have
> to pay for it but free in that you can do much more with it than other
> software. For instance you could read the "source code" (technical
> term meaning the stuff the software developers/programmers actually
> type, instead of the code that the machine executes which is normally
> transformed by a special program, not always though). Currently they
> provide many tools that are then bundled with the "Linux" kernel (the
> kernel is the core of an OS, it does much of the low level stuff that
> you don't really see but you are glad is there).
> 
> Needless to say they are likely unhappy at the BBC's actions which
> could cripple UK Linux adoption. It could also pose significant harm
> to other OS vendors, such as Apple (of MacOS fame), and the people
> behind the different versions of BSD.
> 
> You might find: http://defectivebydesign.org/iPlayerProtest and
> http://defectivebydesign.org/blog/BBCcorrupted useful to understand
> why there are protests.
> 
> FreeTheBBC ( http://www.freethebbc.info/ ) is a project from "Binary
> Freedom Boston", please don't ask why someone from Boston is behind
> FreeTheBBC, I don't know (and I did ask once). Of course a quick
> reading of the BBC's charter states clearly that one should not take
> the term "UK license fee payer" literally.
> 
> As I don't know much about Binary Freedoms background I will quote
> part of their site:
>> 1. Rid BBC content and programming of harmful DRM
>> 2. Make BBC content and programming available in free formats
>> from: http://www.freethebbc.info/node/7
> 
> I think the main aims are:
> 
> - Opening up access to _all_ Operating Systems, not the select few
> (currently one). As far as I can tell their appears to be no plans for
> an "all OS" solution, only a "select few, but more than one"
> solution*.
> 
> - Use of openly specified protocols and formats (of which there are
> way too may to list, but the BBC knows this already, it's a member of
> the consortium that writes some of them!!! (BBC is listed as a member
> of W3C, source: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List )).
> 
> - Removal of DRM.
> 
> Of course you would need to ask the individuals involved what their
> personal reasoning is.
> 
> 
> I shall not be there tomorrow, it clashes with a more important event
> "work". I may check news sites during my lunch though, now where does
> one find an impartial reporter on this matter?
> 
> _Andy
> 
> * this is only as far as I can tell, official sources regarding "all
> OS" would be welcomed.
> 
> And in the spirit of the BBC: I am not responsible for the content of
> external sites, Other websites are available.
> 

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Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[Richard Lockwood]

So - is there anyone there?  (And if so, are they getting wet?)

Cheers,

Rich.

On 8/14/07, Matthew Cashmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Andy - that's really informative - thanks very much :-)
>
> m
>
>
> On 13/8/07 21:27, "Andy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On 13/08/07, Matthew Cashmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Cool Perhaps someone would like to post to the list why this protest is
> >> happening, what it's aims are (if any) and what are the points that the
> >> group would like to get across are?
> >
> > You could try the "groups" website(s).
> > Defective By Designs website is: http://defectivebydesign.org/
> > A quick bit of background to provide you with some context (provide
> > corrections anyone if this is incorrect):
> > DBD is a project run by the Free Software Foundation (FSF). DBD's main
> > purpose is the abolition of DRM (Digital Rights Management, or Digital
> > Restriction Management, depending on your view). The FSF is the main
> > sponsor of the Gnu Project, I project that aims to provide a
> > completely free Operating System. Not just free in that you don't have
> > to pay for it but free in that you can do much more with it than other
> > software. For instance you could read the "source code" (technical
> > term meaning the stuff the software developers/programmers actually
> > type, instead of the code that the machine executes which is normally
> > transformed by a special program, not always though). Currently they
> > provide many tools that are then bundled with the "Linux" kernel (the
> > kernel is the core of an OS, it does much of the low level stuff that
> > you don't really see but you are glad is there).
> >
> > Needless to say they are likely unhappy at the BBC's actions which
> > could cripple UK Linux adoption. It could also pose significant harm
> > to other OS vendors, such as Apple (of MacOS fame), and the people
> > behind the different versions of BSD.
> >
> > You might find: http://defectivebydesign.org/iPlayerProtest and
> > http://defectivebydesign.org/blog/BBCcorrupted useful to understand
> > why there are protests.
> >
> > FreeTheBBC ( http://www.freethebbc.info/ ) is a project from "Binary
> > Freedom Boston", please don't ask why someone from Boston is behind
> > FreeTheBBC, I don't know (and I did ask once). Of course a quick
> > reading of the BBC's charter states clearly that one should not take
> > the term "UK license fee payer" literally.
> >
> > As I don't know much about Binary Freedoms background I will quote
> > part of their site:
> >> 1. Rid BBC content and programming of harmful DRM
> >> 2. Make BBC content and programming available in free formats
> >> from: http://www.freethebbc.info/node/7
> >
> > I think the main aims are:
> >
> > - Opening up access to _all_ Operating Systems, not the select few
> > (currently one). As far as I can tell their appears to be no plans for
> > an "all OS" solution, only a "select few, but more than one"
> > solution*.
> >
> > - Use of openly specified protocols and formats (of which there are
> > way too may to list, but the BBC knows this already, it's a member of
> > the consortium that writes some of them!!! (BBC is listed as a member
> > of W3C, source: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List )).
> >
> > - Removal of DRM.
> >
> > Of course you would need to ask the individuals involved what their
> > personal reasoning is.
> >
> >
> > I shall not be there tomorrow, it clashes with a more important event
> > "work". I may check news sites during my lunch though, now where does
> > one find an impartial reporter on this matter?
> >
> > _Andy
> >
> > * this is only as far as I can tell, official sources regarding "all
> > OS" would be welcomed.
> >
> > And in the spirit of the BBC: I am not responsible for the content of
> > external sites, Other websites are available.
> >
>
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RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[Andrew Bowden]

> So - is there anyone there?  (And if so, are they getting wet?)

What do we want?  
Umberellas!
When do we want them?
Now!


(Actually right now in glorious W12, the rain seems to have ceased.)

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RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[Ian Forrester]

Yep we were there along with about another 20 people.

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> So - is there anyone there?  (And if so, are they getting wet?)

What do we want?  
Umberellas!
When do we want them?
Now!


(Actually right now in glorious W12, the rain seems to have ceased.)

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RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[George Wright]

On Tue, 2007-08-14 at 12:32 +0100, Ian Forrester wrote:
> Yep we were there along with about another 20 people.
> 
> Ian Forrester

And you were talking about 500, scaring the life out of Erik :)



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Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[David Greaves]

Ian Forrester wrote:

Yep we were there along with about another 20 people.


So were they making a point or trying to make a difference?

David

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Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[Matthew Cashmore]

Photos already up on flickr over here

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/sets/72157601436583881/

And here

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/sets/72157601430492360/

m


On 14/8/07 13:07, "David Greaves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ian Forrester wrote:
>> Yep we were there along with about another 20 people.
> 
> So were they making a point or trying to make a difference?
> 
> David
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RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[Melissa Packer]

A handful here at Manchester NBH, and yes, they're getting pretty
soaked.


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So - is there anyone there?  (And if so, are they getting wet?)

Cheers,

Rich.

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Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[Kim Plowright]

An aside

My favourite BBC protest ever: Archers fans complaining about changing
the time of the show. Marched up Regent Street with placards, stopped
traffic, whilst chanting
"What do we want? the Archers! When do we want it? Now! What do we say? Please!'


> What do we want?
> Umberellas!
> When do we want them?
> Now!
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Re: [backstage] BT denies pressurising the BBC over iPlayer

[Jonathan Tweed]

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:59:53 +0100, "Brian Butterworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> Which reminds me, why doesn't Virgin Media use their 100Mb/s connections
> they use to connect to the set-top boxes and cable modems to provide a
> 100Mb/s service - they could blow BSkyB out of the water as ADSL simply
> can't manage that...

Unless things have changed dramatically since I was with NTL, neither can they. 
In fact they barely managed to provide a connection at all.

Cheers
Jonathan

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RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[Deirdre Harvey]

> An aside
> 
> My favourite BBC protest ever: Archers fans complaining about 
> changing the time of the show. Marched up Regent Street with 
> placards, stopped traffic, whilst chanting "What do we want? 
> the Archers! When do we want it? Now! What do we say? Please!'

:)

Were they marching at the exact time the show normally went out and that
they wanted it restored to?

I really hope so.


> 
> > What do we want?
> > Umberellas!
> > When do we want them?
> > Now!
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[backstage] more data visualisation links

[Simon Cobb]

http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/08/02/data-visualization-modern-app
roaches/
 
Now, I'd like to see the musicovery.com approach applied as an
alternative nav for the bbc radio player:
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/index.shtml?button




From: Simon Cobb 
Sent: 16 May 2007 09:42
To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk'
Subject: data visualisation links


Despite its use of the word 'awesome', this article led me to some
interesting stuff:
 
http://mashable.com/2007/05/15/16-awesome-data-visualization-tools/
 
hope it does the same for you. 
 
Disclaimer: I forward it for the ideas/ concepts deployed by these
sites, not for their accessibility
 

RE: [backstage] more data visualisation links

[Ian Forrester]

Wow Simon that's a great resource of visualisations.
 
I read information aesthetics but this is great! Bookmarked for a future 
backstage competition which has been planned for a while.

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Cobb
Sent: 14 August 2007 14:27
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Subject: [backstage] more data visualisation links



http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/08/02/data-visualization-modern-approaches/
 
Now, I'd like to see the musicovery.com approach applied as an 
alternative nav for the bbc radio player:
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/index.shtml?button




From: Simon Cobb 
Sent: 16 May 2007 09:42
To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk'
Subject: data visualisation links


Despite its use of the word 'awesome', this article led me to some 
interesting stuff:
 
http://mashable.com/2007/05/15/16-awesome-data-visualization-tools/
 
hope it does the same for you. 
 
Disclaimer: I forward it for the ideas/ concepts deployed by these 
sites, not for their accessibility
 

Re: [backstage] BT denies pressurising the BBC over iPlayer

[Brian Butterworth]

On 14/08/07, Jonathan Tweed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:59:53 +0100, "Brian Butterworth" <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Which reminds me, why doesn't Virgin Media use their 100Mb/s connections
> > they use to connect to the set-top boxes and cable modems to provide a
> > 100Mb/s service - they could blow BSkyB out of the water as ADSL simply
> > can't manage that...
>
> Unless things have changed dramatically since I was with NTL, neither can
> they. In fact they barely managed to provide a connection at all.



It can't be that hard, they have fibre optic to the headend boxes and coax
to each home...  even the telcos in Portugal can manage a better cable
modem* service.

* = yeah, yeah, I know it's not a modem


Cheers
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Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[Jason Cartwright]

The irony is that it probably doesn't matter now. They could now download it
using their Windows XP machine in DRMed Windows Media Format.

All thanks to our new overlord Bill, and his maniacal scheme to take over
the BBC from the inside.

J


On 14/8/07 14:21, "Deirdre Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
>> An aside
>> 
>> My favourite BBC protest ever: Archers fans complaining about
>> changing the time of the show. Marched up Regent Street with
>> placards, stopped traffic, whilst chanting "What do we want?
>> the Archers! When do we want it? Now! What do we say? Please!'
> 
> :)
> 
> Were they marching at the exact time the show normally went out and that
> they wanted it restored to?
> 
> I really hope so.
> 
> 
>> 
>>> What do we want?
>>> Umberellas!
>>> When do we want them?
>>> Now!
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Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[Brian Butterworth]

Can I use one of these photos on my site?  Are the CC licenced?

On 14/08/07, Matthew Cashmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Photos already up on flickr over here
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/sets/72157601436583881/
>
> And here
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/sets/72157601430492360/
>
> m
>
>
> On 14/8/07 13:07, "David Greaves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Ian Forrester wrote:
> >> Yep we were there along with about another 20 people.
> >
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> >
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Re: [backstage] more data visualisation links

[Brian Butterworth]

Some of these seem to be of dubious real use.  Has anyone put any of them
though Jakob Nielsen-style user testing?

For example, I got taught to use mind-maps back at school in '86, but the
whole point of them is that you create them personally to help you to use a
"visual system" to help memorise abstract things - if someone else (or a
machine) makes them then you are into "meaningless" territory...

The spiky-graph one is the most comprehensible style.


On 14/08/07, Simon Cobb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/08/02/data-visualization-modern-approaches/
>
> Now, I'd like to see the musicovery.com approach applied as an alternative
> nav for the bbc radio player:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/index.shtml?button
>
>  --
> *From:* Simon Cobb
> *Sent:* 16 May 2007 09:42
> *To:* 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk'
> *Subject:* data visualisation links
>
>
>  Despite its use of the word 'awesome', this article led me to some
> interesting stuff:
>
> http://mashable.com/2007/05/15/16-awesome-data-visualization-tools/
>
> hope it does the same for you.
>
> Disclaimer: I forward it for the ideas/ concepts deployed by these sites,
> not for their accessibility
>
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Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[Matthew Cashmore]

Mr Butterworth :-)

As you¹ll see from the flickr streams themselves.. All our photos are
released under Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0

Knock yourself out within that licence.

m

On 14/8/07 14:50, "Brian Butterworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can I use one of these photos on my site?  Are the CC licenced?
> 
> On 14/08/07, Matthew Cashmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Photos already up on flickr over here
>> 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/sets/72157601436583881/
>> 
>> And here
>> 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/sets/72157601430492360/
>> 
>> 
>> m
>> 
>> 
>> On 14/8/07 13:07, "David Greaves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> > Ian Forrester wrote:
 >> Yep we were there along with about another 20 people.
>>> >
>>> > So were they making a point or trying to make a difference?
>>> >
>>> > David
>>> >
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Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[Matthew Somerville]

Brian Butterworth wrote:

Can I use one of these photos on my site?  Are the CC licenced?


If you look at any of the photos, you'll see the CC licence they are under 
(by-nc-sa) on the right hand side of the page.


ATB,
Matthew

On 14/08/07, *Matthew Cashmore* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Photos already up on flickr over here

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/sets/72157601436583881/

And here

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/sets/72157601430492360/


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Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[James Bridle]

They're not mine, but both are listed as CC  Att-NonComm-ShareAlike on 
the site.



shorttermmemoryloss.com



Brian Butterworth wrote:

Can I use one of these photos on my site?  Are the CC licenced?

On 14/08/07, *Matthew Cashmore* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Photos already up on flickr over here

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/sets/72157601436583881/

And here

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/sets/72157601430492360/


m


On 14/8/07 13:07, "David Greaves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Ian Forrester wrote:
>> Yep we were there along with about another 20 people.
>
> So were they making a point or trying to make a difference?
>
> David
>
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RE: [backstage] more data visualisation links

[Simon Cobb]

Every time with the Jakob. I've already expressed my (obviously
personal) opinion once so here is my Nielsen haiku: 
 
 
Modern users ask
 
what time is Mr Nielsen?
 
1994.
 
 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth
Sent: 14 August 2007 14:54
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
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Some of these seem to be of dubious real use.  Has anyone put any of
them though Jakob Nielsen-style user testing?
 
For example, I got taught to use mind-maps back at school in '86, but
the whole point of them is that you create them personally to help you
to use a "visual system" to help memorise abstract things - if someone
else (or a machine) makes them then you are into "meaningless"
territory... 
 
The spiky-graph one is the most comprehensible style.

 
On 14/08/07, Simon Cobb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 


http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/08/02/data-visualization-modern-app
roaches/ 
 
Now, I'd like to see the musicovery.com 
approach applied as an alternative nav for the bbc radio player: 
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/index.shtml?button 




From: Simon Cobb 
Sent: 16 May 2007 09:42
To: ' backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 '
Subject: data visualisation links

 
Despite its use of the word 'awesome', this article led me to
some interesting stuff:
 

http://mashable.com/2007/05/15/16-awesome-data-visualization-tools/ 
 
hope it does the same for you. 
 
Disclaimer: I forward it for the ideas/ concepts deployed by
these sites, not for their accessibility
 




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Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[Brian Butterworth]

Thanks.

I thought I was being humorous - it would be deeply ironic if pictures of a
protest outside Auntie's TV HQ about DRM were copyrighted...


On 14/08/07, Matthew Cashmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mr Butterworth :-)
>
> As you'll see from the flickr streams themselves.. All our photos are
> released under Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0
>
> Knock yourself out within that licence.
>
> m
>
> On 14/8/07 14:50, "Brian Butterworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Can I use one of these photos on my site?  Are the CC licenced?
>
> On 14/08/07, *Matthew Cashmore* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Photos already up on flickr over here
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/sets/72157601436583881/
>
> And here
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/sets/72157601430492360/
> 
>
> m
>
>
> On 14/8/07 13:07, "David Greaves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Ian Forrester wrote:
> >> Yep we were there along with about another 20 people.
> >
> > So were they making a point or trying to make a difference?
> >
> > David
> >
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Re: [backstage] more data visualisation links

[Brian Butterworth]

I presume you have some substantive evidence that no testing is require
then?

On 14/08/07, Simon Cobb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Every time with the Jakob. I've already expressed my (obviously personal)
> opinion once so here is my Nielsen haiku:
>
>
> Modern users ask
>
> what time is Mr Nielsen?
>
> 1994.
>
>
>
>
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth
> *Sent:* 14 August 2007 14:54
> *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [backstage] more data visualisation links
>
>
>  Some of these seem to be of dubious real use.  Has anyone put any of them
> though Jakob Nielsen-style user testing?
>
> For example, I got taught to use mind-maps back at school in '86, but the
> whole point of them is that you create them personally to help you to use a
> "visual system" to help memorise abstract things - if someone else (or a
> machine) makes them then you are into "meaningless" territory...
>
> The spiky-graph one is the most comprehensible style.
>
>
> On 14/08/07, Simon Cobb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  
> > http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/08/02/data-visualization-modern-approaches/
> >
> >
> > Now, I'd like to see the musicovery.com approach applied as an
> > alternative nav for the bbc radio player:
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/index.shtml?button
> >
> >  --
> > *From:* Simon Cobb
> > *Sent:* 16 May 2007 09:42
> > *To:* ' backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk'
> > *Subject:* data visualisation links
> >
> >
> >  Despite its use of the word 'awesome', this article led me to some
> > interesting stuff:
> >
> > http://mashable.com/2007/05/15/16-awesome-data-visualization-tools/
> >
> > hope it does the same for you.
> >
> > Disclaimer: I forward it for the ideas/ concepts deployed by these
> > sites, not for their accessibility
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [backstage] iPlayer - RSS feed?

[Jonathan Tweed]

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:55:02 +0100, "Brian Butterworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Just been thinking about this a bit more and it seems to me that each page
> of the iPlayer should be presenting an RSS fee anyway. It seems the site
> uses a parameter line this...
> 
> ?filter=txdate:13-08&filter=txslot:evening
> 
> ...which should be the same parameters used for the RSS feed too?

Now that's a good idea. I've been meaning to ask for XML versions of these 
pages but hadn't thought of RSS.

I'll talk to the guys in search and see what I can get them to do ;-)

Cheers
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[backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest

[Matthew Cashmore]

>From the backstage blog

http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2007/08/defective_by_de.html

³It was a very wet morning but that didn't stop around 20 people turning out
to let the BBC know exactly what they thought of its use of DRM in iPlayer.

We've pulled those comments together and made a special podcast which you
can download from here;

http://blip.tv/file/339619

There are also some photos from the even which you can see here

http://flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/sets/72157601436583881/

and here

http://flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/sets/72157601430492360/

and some here

http://flickr.com/groups/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pool/²

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RE: [backstage] more data visualisation links

[Ian Forrester]

So I've been thinking about this one quite a lot.
 
The whole point of these visualisations is that they are visualisations.
aka the underlining data has been transformed into this but is usually still 
available elsewhere.
 
Someone else a long time ago on backstage suggested that everytime we do a 
clever little visual element on our pages we should also deliver the 
underlining data in xml. In actual fact it makes a lot of sense.
 
I mean I would love to get my XSL skills buzzing with transforming rich XML 
into little sweet SVG visualisations.
 
in actual fact that's the future of SVG, data visualisations.
 
Oh don't push me on SVG accessibility and usability :)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon 
Cobb
Sent: 14 August 2007 15:25
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] more data visualisation links


Every time with the Jakob. I've already expressed my (obviously 
personal) opinion once so here is my Nielsen haiku: 
 
 
Modern users ask
 
what time is Mr Nielsen?
 
1994.
 
 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian 
Butterworth
Sent: 14 August 2007 14:54
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] more data visualisation links


Some of these seem to be of dubious real use.  Has anyone put any of 
them though Jakob Nielsen-style user testing?
 
For example, I got taught to use mind-maps back at school in '86, but 
the whole point of them is that you create them personally to help you to use a 
"visual system" to help memorise abstract things - if someone else (or a 
machine) makes them then you are into "meaningless" territory... 
 
The spiky-graph one is the most comprehensible style.

 
On 14/08/07, Simon Cobb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 


http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/08/02/data-visualization-modern-approaches/
 
 
Now, I'd like to see the musicovery.com 
  approach applied as an alternative nav for the bbc 
radio player: 
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/index.shtml?button 




From: Simon Cobb 
Sent: 16 May 2007 09:42
To: ' backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk 
 '
Subject: data visualisation links

 
Despite its use of the word 'awesome', this article led me to 
some interesting stuff:
 

http://mashable.com/2007/05/15/16-awesome-data-visualization-tools/ 
 
hope it does the same for you. 
 
Disclaimer: I forward it for the ideas/ concepts deployed by 
these sites, not for their accessibility
 




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Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[David Greaves]

Brian Butterworth wrote:

Thanks.
 
I thought I was being humorous - it would be deeply ironic if pictures 
of a protest outside Auntie's TV HQ about DRM were copyrighted...


They are "copyrighted". They are also licensed.

Anti-DRM isn't anti-copyright. Most anti-DRM sentiment opposes the:

You may only watch this film/production:
* once (if you fell asleep - tough! Powercut - tough!)
* if you don't skip the commercials
* using the original non-1-7yr-old proof disc
* on a hi-res screen *if* it's made by Acme
* with people who are immediate members of your family (but no more than 3 at 
once)
* at a time we the licensees decide
* on the original PC you had 4 years ago when you bought the disc
* for as long as we're in business (Google Video anyone? 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6944292.stm)


Sigh.

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[backstage] Microsoft opens game IP for non-commercial projects

[Ian Forrester]

http://www.developmag.com/news/28301/Microsoft-opens-game-IP-for-non-commercial-projects

After announcing the 2.0 version of XNA Game Studio during Gamefest's keynote, 
XNA general manager Chris Satchell also revealed that the company had made an 
"unprecedented" move to allow consumers direct, legal access to game content 
from a number of Microsoft-owned IPs.

Effectively immediately, Microsoft has granted consumers "a personal, 
non-exclusive, non-transferable licence to use and display Game Content and to 
create derivative works based upon Game Content, strictly for noncommercial and 
personal use".

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As someone internally said, you can imagine the mash ability with this.

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Re: [backstage] more data visualisation links

[Kim Plowright]

I think the point here is 'does the visualisation of the data adds
meaning, or is just pretty to look at?'.

Does your visualisation tell people more about the data set than the
raw numbers? Is it 'legible'? Does it expose trends and meaning that
would otherwise be hidden to all but the most numerate? Does it let
someone reach sound conclusions faster, or navigate quicker, or become
more accurate?

Which is Tufte territory,  not Nielsen.
http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/

Not that there's anything wrong with pretty, but good datavis is about
adding layers of meaning, as well as the layers of aesthetics.

Its possible to remove the 'data' during the visualisation process and
turn it in to a purely aesthetic entertainment experience, too. Some
of the Jonathan Harris stuff does this - it's information as
spectacle. Fun to look at, not 'wrong' per se, but a terrible way of
actually turning data -> information -> knowledge.

Useful or Playful? Is the question to ask.

> Some of these seem to be of dubious real use.  Has anyone put any of them
> though Jakob Nielsen-style user testing?
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RE: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest

[Ian Forrester]

And from inside the BBC we have a reply from Ashley Highfield (head of future 
media and technology).
 
We've added it to the blog post - 
http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2007/08/defective_by_de.html
 
Here's a snip-it from Ashley's reply to single platform lock in
 
"We believe in Universality, I would not let our content be restricted to one 
platform. Beyond IP, we are also exploring how we can get versions of BBC 
iPlayer on to Freeview (DTT), FreeSat,  and have plans to launch on cable with 
Virgin Media. We look closely at all possible platforms for distribution. PDAs, 
media centres, city centre video screens, kiosks, and so on. Some platforms 
require particular technologies, and some may simply not be economically viable 
for us to reversion for or distribute to (we must always weigh up the cost per 
person reached)."
 
Cheers,

Ian Forrester

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew 
Cashmore
Sent: 14 August 2007 16:31
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest


From the backstage blog

http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2007/08/defective_by_de.html

"It was a very wet morning but that didn't stop around 20 people 
turning out to let the BBC know exactly what they thought of its use of DRM in 
iPlayer.

We've pulled those comments together and made a special podcast which 
you can download from here;

http://blip.tv/file/339619

There are also some photos from the even which you can see here

http://flickr.com/photos/mattcashmore/sets/72157601436583881/

and here

http://flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/sets/72157601430492360/

and some here

http://flickr.com/groups/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pool/" 
 

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Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[Brian Butterworth]

David,

Yeah, I know.  Which is also ironic...


On 14/08/07, David Greaves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Brian Butterworth wrote:
> > Thanks.
> >
> > I thought I was being humorous - it would be deeply ironic if pictures
> > of a protest outside Auntie's TV HQ about DRM were copyrighted...
>
> They are "copyrighted". They are also licensed.
>
> Anti-DRM isn't anti-copyright. Most anti-DRM sentiment opposes the:
>
> You may only watch this film/production:
> * once (if you fell asleep - tough! Powercut - tough!)
> * if you don't skip the commercials
> * using the original non-1-7yr-old proof disc
> * on a hi-res screen *if* it's made by Acme
> * with people who are immediate members of your family (but no more than 3
> at once)
> * at a time we the licensees decide
> * on the original PC you had 4 years ago when you bought the disc
> * for as long as we're in business (Google Video anyone?
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6944292.stm)
>
> Sigh.
>
> David
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Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

[Dave Crossland]

On 14/08/07, David Greaves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ian Forrester wrote:
> > Yep we were there along with about another 20 people.
>
> So were they making a point or trying to make a difference?

I believe the additional media coverage of the unconscionable
restrictions in the iPlayer will make a difference.

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Re: [backstage] more data visualisation links

[Brian Butterworth]

I guess this brings us right back to Richard MacDuff's "Anthem" programme
which attempted much the same but with music in the first Dirk Gently book
(coming soon to Radio 4)...

On 14/08/07, Kim Plowright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think the point here is 'does the visualisation of the data adds
> meaning, or is just pretty to look at?'.
>
> Does your visualisation tell people more about the data set than the
> raw numbers? Is it 'legible'? Does it expose trends and meaning that
> would otherwise be hidden to all but the most numerate? Does it let
> someone reach sound conclusions faster, or navigate quicker, or become
> more accurate?
>
> Which is Tufte territory,  not Nielsen.
> http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/
>
> Not that there's anything wrong with pretty, but good datavis is about
> adding layers of meaning, as well as the layers of aesthetics.
>
> Its possible to remove the 'data' during the visualisation process and
> turn it in to a purely aesthetic entertainment experience, too. Some
> of the Jonathan Harris stuff does this - it's information as
> spectacle. Fun to look at, not 'wrong' per se, but a terrible way of
> actually turning data -> information -> knowledge.
>
> Useful or Playful? Is the question to ask.
>
> > Some of these seem to be of dubious real use.  Has anyone put any of
> them
> > though Jakob Nielsen-style user testing?
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