Re: [Bulk] [backstage] Release: BBC Weather iGoogle gadget

[~:'' ありがとうございました 。]

how about offering SVG symbols too?

cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd
Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet



On 1 Sep 2007, at 21:23, James Cridland wrote:

A little bit of relaxation coding, and I'm proud to bring you my very  
first BBC Backstage iGoogle gadget.


http://ig4bbcweather.notlong.com

Edit the settings to choose your UK placename - it's nice and small,  
and uses the official BBC weather feed.
Clicking the name of the place you've chosen will bring up the full  
page from the BBC Weather website.


Coded in PHP, using the SimplePie library for RSS feeds.

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[backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

[~ : '' ありがとうございました 。]

Kathryn,

back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too?
awaiting your response on both these issues:

the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed

where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds use them?

cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:'' ありがとうございました。  
wrote:


Kathryn,

thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies**

the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is  
almost certainly produced and available in SVG format*.  It may be  
that the BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does?


For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links to  
the original SVG art.


almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed  
viewer is currently offline.
due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I produced  
my own SVG weather symbols set.


the BBC might even beat me and provide the "first" SVG feed.
well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~:"


best wishes

Jonathan Chetwynd

*The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and  
far more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively,  
that is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG.



On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote:

Hello there,

'Tis I.  We don't have any SVG icons.  Do you mean the gif images of
weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages?  Feel free to contact
me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general
interest to the list.

As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will
investigate.

Best,
Kass

Kathryn Schmitt
Senior Developer
BBC Weather Centre
2026 Television Centre
T: 020 82259448
M: 0771 7582482

www.bbc.co.uk/weather
www.bbc.co.uk/climate




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Subject: [backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

SVG weather feeds: who to ask?

Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds?

Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed?

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd



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Re: [backstage] Release: BBC Weather iGoogle gadget

[James Cridland]

Sorry, have replied offlist to this.

> Any chance you could make it provide the "old" weather symbols (as stilled
used on bbc.co.uk homepage) as an option?

Every chance, but I'm unclear of whether we're allowed to.

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On 9/2/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> James,
>
> Very nice - simple to use too.  Any chance you could make it provide the
> "old" weather symbols (as stilled used on bbc.co.uk homepage) as an
> option?
>
>
> On 01/09/07, James Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > A little bit of relaxation coding, and I'm proud to bring you my very
> > first BBC Backstage iGoogle gadget.
> >
> > http://ig4bbcweather.notlong.com
> >
> > Edit the settings to choose your UK placename - it's nice and small, and
> > uses the official BBC weather feed.
> > Clicking the name of the place you've chosen will bring up the full page
> > from the BBC Weather website.
> >
> > Coded in PHP, using the SimplePie library for RSS feeds.
> >
> > --
> > http://james.cridland.net | http://www.mediauk.com
> >
> > Media UK is a Not At All Bad Ltd production. Company info: 
> > http://www.notatallbad.ltd.uk/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Please email me back if you need any more help.
>
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> www.ukfree.tv

Re: [backstage] Release: BBC Weather iGoogle gadget

[Brian Butterworth]

I would have thought it would be fine you use the BBC URLs rather than copy
them and rehost them.

On 02/09/07, James Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sorry, have replied offlist to this.
>
> > Any chance you could make it provide the "old" weather symbols (as
> stilled used on bbc.co.uk homepage) as an option?
>
> Every chance, but I'm unclear of whether we're allowed to.
>
> --
> http://james.cridland.net | http://www.mediauk.com
>
> Media UK is a Not At All Bad Ltd production. Company info:
> http://www.notatallbad.ltd.uk/
>
>  On 9/2/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > James,
> >
> > Very nice - simple to use too.  Any chance you could make it provide the
> > "old" weather symbols (as stilled used on bbc.co.uk homepage) as an
> > option?
> >
> >
> >  On 01/09/07, James Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > > A little bit of relaxation coding, and I'm proud to bring you my very
> > > first BBC Backstage iGoogle gadget.
> > >
> > > http://ig4bbcweather.notlong.com
> > >
> > > Edit the settings to choose your UK placename - it's nice and small,
> > > and uses the official BBC weather feed.
> > > Clicking the name of the place you've chosen will bring up the full
> > > page from the BBC Weather website.
> > >
> > > Coded in PHP, using the SimplePie library for RSS feeds.
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://james.cridland.net | http://www.mediauk.com
> > >
> > > Media UK is a Not At All Bad Ltd production. Company info: 
> > > http://www.notatallbad.ltd.uk/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Please email me back if you need any more help.
> >
> > Brian Butterworth
> > www.ukfree.tv
>
>
>


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Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

[Adam]

Jonathan,

It is really worth the BBC using SVG Graphics when at least 80% of  
internet users are unable to view them.  Currently there doesn't  
appear to be a SVG viewer for IE.


Adam

Quoting "~:'' " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Kathryn,

back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too?
awaiting your response on both these issues:

the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed

where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds use them?

cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:''  wrote:

Kathryn,

thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies**

the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is almost
certainly produced and available in SVG format*.  It may be that the
BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does?

For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links to
the original SVG art.

almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed
viewer is currently offline.
due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I produced my
own SVG weather symbols set.

the BBC might even beat me and provide the "first" SVG feed.
well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~:"


best wishes

Jonathan Chetwynd

*The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and far
more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively, that
is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG.


On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote:

Hello there,

'Tis I.  We don't have any SVG icons.  Do you mean the gif images of
weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages?  Feel free to contact
me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general
interest to the list.

As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will
investigate.

Best,
Kass

Kathryn Schmitt
Senior Developer
BBC Weather Centre
2026 Television Centre
T: 020 82259448
M: 0771 7582482

www.bbc.co.uk/weather
www.bbc.co.uk/climate




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Sent: 25 July 2007 10:03
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: [backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

SVG weather feeds: who to ask?

Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds?

Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed?

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd



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Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

[Brian Butterworth]

Is there a backend render that can be used instead when there is no plugin?
Best of both worlds then...

On 02/09/07, Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jonathan,
>
> It is really worth the BBC using SVG Graphics when at least 80% of
> internet users are unable to view them.  Currently there doesn't
> appear to be a SVG viewer for IE.
>
> Adam
>
> Quoting "~:'' " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Kathryn,
> >
> > back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too?
> > awaiting your response on both these issues:
> >
> >   the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed
> >
> >   where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds use
> them?
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > Jonathan Chetwynd
> >
> >
> >
> > On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:''  wrote:
> >
> > Kathryn,
> >
> > thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies**
> >
> > the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is almost
> > certainly produced and available in SVG format*.  It may be that the
> > BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does?
> >
> > For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links to
> > the original SVG art.
> >
> > almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed
> > viewer is currently offline.
> > due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I produced my
> > own SVG weather symbols set.
> >
> > the BBC might even beat me and provide the "first" SVG feed.
> > well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~:"
> >
> >
> > best wishes
> >
> > Jonathan Chetwynd
> >
> > *The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and far
> > more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively, that
> > is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG.
> >
> >
> > On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote:
> >
> > Hello there,
> >
> > 'Tis I.  We don't have any SVG icons.  Do you mean the gif images of
> > weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages?  Feel free to contact
> > me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general
> > interest to the list.
> >
> > As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will
> > investigate.
> >
> > Best,
> > Kass
> >
> > Kathryn Schmitt
> > Senior Developer
> > BBC Weather Centre
> > 2026 Television Centre
> > T: 020 82259448
> > M: 0771 7582482
> >
> > www.bbc.co.uk/weather
> > www.bbc.co.uk/climate
> >
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:''
> >> 
> >> Sent: 25 July 2007 10:03
> >> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> >> Subject: [backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?
> >>
> >> SVG weather feeds: who to ask?
> >>
> >> Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds?
> >>
> >> Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed?
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
> >> Jonathan Chetwynd
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

[Brian Butterworth]

Wikipedia can do it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Svg_example3.svg


On 02/09/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Is there a backend render that can be used instead when there is no
> plugin?  Best of both worlds then...
>
> On 02/09/07, Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Jonathan,
> >
> > It is really worth the BBC using SVG Graphics when at least 80% of
> > internet users are unable to view them.  Currently there doesn't
> > appear to be a SVG viewer for IE.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > Quoting "~:'' " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > Kathryn,
> > >
> > > back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too?
> > > awaiting your response on both these issues:
> > >
> > >   the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed
> > >
> > >   where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds
> > use them?
> > >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > Jonathan Chetwynd
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:''  wrote:
> > >
> > > Kathryn,
> > >
> > > thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies**
> > >
> > > the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is
> > almost
> > > certainly produced and available in SVG format*.  It may be that the
> > > BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does?
> > >
> > > For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links to
> > > the original SVG art.
> > >
> > > almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed
> > > viewer is currently offline.
> > > due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I produced
> > my
> > > own SVG weather symbols set.
> > >
> > > the BBC might even beat me and provide the "first" SVG feed.
> > > well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~:"
> > >
> > >
> > > best wishes
> > >
> > > Jonathan Chetwynd
> > >
> > > *The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and far
> > > more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively, that
> > > is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello there,
> > >
> > > 'Tis I.  We don't have any SVG icons.  Do you mean the gif images of
> > > weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages?  Feel free to
> > contact
> > > me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general
> >
> > > interest to the list.
> > >
> > > As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will
> > > investigate.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Kass
> > >
> > > Kathryn Schmitt
> > > Senior Developer
> > > BBC Weather Centre
> > > 2026 Television Centre
> > > T: 020 82259448
> > > M: 0771 7582482
> > >
> > > www.bbc.co.uk/weather
> > > www.bbc.co.uk/climate
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:''
> > >> 
> > >> Sent: 25 July 2007 10:03
> > >> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> > >> Subject: [backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?
> > >>
> > >> SVG weather feeds: who to ask?
> > >>
> > >> Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds?
> > >>
> > >> Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed?
> > >>
> > >> regards
> > >>
> > >> Jonathan Chetwynd
> > >>
> > >>
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[backstage] Kreta -- was: Re: Introducing Chipwrapper search for UK newspapers

[Richard Smedley]

On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 00:50 +0300, Martin Belam wrote:
> Yeah, mostly Pipes to process the RSS feeds, and the Google Custom
> Search Engine. There's also some very crude Perl of my own to add
> "Newspaper: Some newspaper headline" into the RSS before it gets
> passed to Feedburner, and to make the 'headline buzz' feed.
> 
> Apologies on and off list for delay in replying to people. At the
> moment in Crete I'm getting 7.2 Kbps online in 30 second bursts. Ho ho
> ho

Not at LBW [1] then? I'm sure they'll have the fattest
pipe on the island.

 - Richard

[1] http://lbw2007.hellug.gr/index.php/Main_Page


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Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

[~:'' ありがとうございました 。]

Adam,

it's relatively simple to code so that svg defaults to gif or jpeg  
where no viewer is present
as there is virtually no cost and considerable benefit for apparently  
20% then yes it is worth it...


one really excellent reason is to help discover and develop popular  
SVG user interfaces.

flash has benefited enormously form being first in field...

cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd
Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet



On 2 Sep 2007, at 13:03, Adam wrote:

Jonathan,

It is really worth the BBC using SVG Graphics when at least 80% of  
internet users are unable to view them.  Currently there doesn't  
appear to be a SVG viewer for IE.


Adam

Quoting "~:'' " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Kathryn,

back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too?
awaiting your response on both these issues:

the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed

	where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds use  
them?


cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:''  wrote:

Kathryn,

thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies**

the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is  
almost

certainly produced and available in SVG format*.  It may be that the
BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does?

For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links to
the original SVG art.

almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed
viewer is currently offline.
due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I  
produced my

own SVG weather symbols set.

the BBC might even beat me and provide the "first" SVG feed.
well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~:"


best wishes

Jonathan Chetwynd

*The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and far
more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively, that
is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG.


On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote:

Hello there,

'Tis I.  We don't have any SVG icons.  Do you mean the gif images of
weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages?  Feel free to  
contact

me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general
interest to the list.

As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will
investigate.

Best,
Kass

Kathryn Schmitt
Senior Developer
BBC Weather Centre
2026 Television Centre
T: 020 82259448
M: 0771 7582482

www.bbc.co.uk/weather
www.bbc.co.uk/climate




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Subject: [backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

SVG weather feeds: who to ask?

Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds?

Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed?

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd



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Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

[Adam]

That doesn't work as they are sending a PNG file to all browsers which  
is pointless as i might as well just not bother.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Svg_example3.svg/467px-Svg_example3.svg.png

Okay, so SVG is great for resizing image, but for icons i can't see  
any advantage of having them working when 80% of the time you would  
need to send an Jpeg/Gif/PNG image.


I currently have to spend enough time working around bugs in all the  
browsers, i don't really want to add another problem to the mix.


Quoting Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Wikipedia can do it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Svg_example3.svg


On 02/09/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Is there a backend render that can be used instead when there is no
plugin?  Best of both worlds then...

On 02/09/07, Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jonathan,
>
> It is really worth the BBC using SVG Graphics when at least 80% of
> internet users are unable to view them.  Currently there doesn't
> appear to be a SVG viewer for IE.
>
> Adam
>
> Quoting "~:'' " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Kathryn,
> >
> > back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too?
> > awaiting your response on both these issues:
> >
> >   the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed
> >
> >   where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds
> use them?
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > Jonathan Chetwynd
> >
> >
> >
> > On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:''  wrote:
> >
> > Kathryn,
> >
> > thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies**
> >
> > the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is
> almost
> > certainly produced and available in SVG format*.  It may be that the
> > BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does?
> >
> > For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links to
> > the original SVG art.
> >
> > almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed
> > viewer is currently offline.
> > due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I produced
> my
> > own SVG weather symbols set.
> >
> > the BBC might even beat me and provide the "first" SVG feed.
> > well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~:"
> >
> >
> > best wishes
> >
> > Jonathan Chetwynd
> >
> > *The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and far
> > more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively, that
> > is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG.
> >
> >
> > On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote:
> >
> > Hello there,
> >
> > 'Tis I.  We don't have any SVG icons.  Do you mean the gif images of
> > weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages?  Feel free to
> contact
> > me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general
>
> > interest to the list.
> >
> > As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will
> > investigate.
> >
> > Best,
> > Kass
> >
> > Kathryn Schmitt
> > Senior Developer
> > BBC Weather Centre
> > 2026 Television Centre
> > T: 020 82259448
> > M: 0771 7582482
> >
> > www.bbc.co.uk/weather
> > www.bbc.co.uk/climate
> >
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:''
> >> 
> >> Sent: 25 July 2007 10:03
> >> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> >> Subject: [backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?
> >>
> >> SVG weather feeds: who to ask?
> >>
> >> Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds?
> >>
> >> Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed?
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
> >> Jonathan Chetwynd
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

[Gordon Joly]

At 14:06 +0100 2/9/07, Brian Butterworth wrote:

Wikipedia can do it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Svg_example3.svg






Statically, not dynamically?

Render is as render does,

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Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

[Brian Butterworth]

On 02/09/07, Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That doesn't work as they are sending a PNG file to all browsers which
> is pointless as i might as well just not bother.
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Svg_example3.svg/467px-Svg_example3.svg.png



I was pointing out that you could, in theory, detect if SVGs could be
displayed and then use a backend process - a la wikipedia - to provide a PNG
otherwise.  Easy to do in Javascript...

Okay, so SVG is great for resizing image, but for icons i can't see
> any advantage of having them working when 80% of the time you would
> need to send an Jpeg/Gif/PNG image.



Most browsers have a nice "zoom" facility which renders text at better
resolution but resamples images...


I currently have to spend enough time working around bugs in all the
> browsers, i don't really want to add another problem to the mix.


Is there a public domain SVG->PNG?  If so, *I* would be happy to sort the
client code..


Quoting Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Wikipedia can do it!
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Svg_example3.svg
> >
> >
> > On 02/09/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Is there a backend render that can be used instead when there is no
> >> plugin?  Best of both worlds then...
> >>
> >> On 02/09/07, Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Jonathan,
> >> >
> >> > It is really worth the BBC using SVG Graphics when at least 80% of
> >> > internet users are unable to view them.  Currently there doesn't
> >> > appear to be a SVG viewer for IE.
> >> >
> >> > Adam
> >> >
> >> > Quoting "~:'' " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> >
> >> > > Kathryn,
> >> > >
> >> > > back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too?
> >> > > awaiting your response on both these issues:
> >> > >
> >> > >   the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed
> >> > >
> >> > >   where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds
> >> > use them?
> >> > >
> >> > > cheers
> >> > >
> >> > > Jonathan Chetwynd
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:''  wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Kathryn,
> >> > >
> >> > > thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies**
> >> > >
> >> > > the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is
> >> > almost
> >> > > certainly produced and available in SVG format*.  It may be that
> the
> >> > > BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does?
> >> > >
> >> > > For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links
> to
> >> > > the original SVG art.
> >> > >
> >> > > almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed
> >> > > viewer is currently offline.
> >> > > due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I
> produced
> >> > my
> >> > > own SVG weather symbols set.
> >> > >
> >> > > the BBC might even beat me and provide the "first" SVG feed.
> >> > > well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~:"
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > best wishes
> >> > >
> >> > > Jonathan Chetwynd
> >> > >
> >> > > *The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and
> far
> >> > > more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively,
> that
> >> > > is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Hello there,
> >> > >
> >> > > 'Tis I.  We don't have any SVG icons.  Do you mean the gif images
> of
> >> > > weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages?  Feel free to
> >> > contact
> >> > > me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of
> general
> >> >
> >> > > interest to the list.
> >> > >
> >> > > As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I
> will
> >> > > investigate.
> >> > >
> >> > > Best,
> >> > > Kass
> >> > >
> >> > > Kathryn Schmitt
> >> > > Senior Developer
> >> > > BBC Weather Centre
> >> > > 2026 Television Centre
> >> > > T: 020 82259448
> >> > > M: 0771 7582482
> >> > >
> >> > > www.bbc.co.uk/weather
> >> > > www.bbc.co.uk/climate
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >> -Original Message-
> >> > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > >> [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:''
> >> > >> 
> >> > >> Sent: 25 July 2007 10:03
> >> > >> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> >> > >> Subject: [backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> SVG weather feeds: who to ask?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the
> feed?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> regards
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Jonathan Chetwynd
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
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Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

[Mark Piggott]

Please send NO more emails to me

Thank you.


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Sent: Sunday, 2 September, 2007 8:56:33 AM
Subject: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?


Kathryn,

back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too?
awaiting your response on both these issues:

the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed

where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds use them?

cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:'' ありがとうございました。  
wrote:

Kathryn,

thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies**

the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is  
almost certainly produced and available in SVG format*.  It may be  
that the BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does?

For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links to  
the original SVG art.

almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed  
viewer is currently offline.
due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I produced  
my own SVG weather symbols set.

the BBC might even beat me and provide the "first" SVG feed.
well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~:"


best wishes

Jonathan Chetwynd

*The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and  
far more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively,  
that is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG.


On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote:

Hello there,

'Tis I.  We don't have any SVG icons.  Do you mean the gif images of
weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages?  Feel free to contact
me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general
interest to the list.

As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will
investigate.

Best,
Kass

Kathryn Schmitt
Senior Developer
BBC Weather Centre
2026 Television Centre
T: 020 82259448
M: 0771 7582482

www.bbc.co.uk/weather
www.bbc.co.uk/climate



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>
> SVG weather feeds: who to ask?
>
> Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds?
>
> Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed?
>
> regards
>
> Jonathan Chetwynd
>
>
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Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?

[Brian Butterworth]

Mark,

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On 02/09/07, Mark Piggott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Please send NO more emails to me
>
> Thank you.
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> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> Cc: Kathryn Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, 2 September, 2007 8:56:33 AM
> Subject: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?
>
> Kathryn,
>
> back from holiday myself, perhaps you are too?
> awaiting your response on both these issues:
>
> the discrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed
>
> where are the BBC's SVG weather icons and might the RSS feeds use
> them?
>
> cheers
>
> Jonathan Chetwynd
>
>
>
> On 25 Jul 2007, at 15:33, ~:'' ありがとうございました。
> wrote:
>
> Kathryn,
>
> thanks for your prompt and encouraging replies**
>
> the weather gifs are poor imitations of original artwork that is
> almost certainly produced and available in SVG format*.  It may be
> that the BBC doesn't own the original artwork, if so who does?
>
> For relatively little overhead the BBC's RSS feed could add links to
> the original SVG art.
>
> almost everything I publish is public domain, however my SVG feed
> viewer is currently offline.
> due to the relatively long delays these matters can have, I produced
> my own SVG weather symbols set.
>
> the BBC might even beat me and provide the "first" SVG feed.
> well I have been asking, and yet to find or be pointed to one ~:"
>
>
> best wishes
>
> Jonathan Chetwynd
>
> *The benefit being that a similar size file is fully scaleable and
> far more attractive. Opera, Mozilla and Safari display SVG natively,
> that is without a plugin. http://www.peepo.co.uk is one example of SVG.
>
>
> On 25 Jul 2007, at 11:38, Kathryn Schmitt wrote:
>
> Hello there,
>
> 'Tis I.  We don't have any SVG icons.  Do you mean the gif images of
> weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages?  Feel free to contact
> me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general
> interest to the list.
>
> As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will
> investigate.
>
> Best,
> Kass
>
> Kathryn Schmitt
> Senior Developer
> BBC Weather Centre
> 2026 Television Centre
> T: 020 82259448
> M: 0771 7582482
>
> www.bbc.co.uk/weather
> www.bbc.co.uk/climate
>
>
>
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> > Sent: 25 July 2007 10:03
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> >
> > SVG weather feeds: who to ask?
> >
> > Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds?
> >
> > Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed?
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Jonathan Chetwynd
> >
> >
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Re: [backstage] Kreta -- was: Re: Introducing Chipwrapper search for UK newspapers

[Martin Belam]

Perhaps that is where all my bandwidth went...

m




On 02/09/07, Richard Smedley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 00:50 +0300, Martin Belam wrote:
> > Yeah, mostly Pipes to process the RSS feeds, and the Google Custom
> > Search Engine. There's also some very crude Perl of my own to add
> > "Newspaper: Some newspaper headline" into the RSS before it gets
> > passed to Feedburner, and to make the 'headline buzz' feed.
> >
> > Apologies on and off list for delay in replying to people. At the
> > moment in Crete I'm getting 7.2 Kbps online in 30 second bursts. Ho ho
> > ho
>
> Not at LBW [1] then? I'm sure they'll have the fattest
> pipe on the island.
>
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Re: [backstage] Release: BBC Weather iGoogle gadget

[James Cridland]

Well, as a thought... if you add-by-URL
http://james.cridland.net/code/bbcnews.php then you'll get a BBC News
iGoogle gadget. It's quite pretty, I think. It scrapes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/text_only.stm and rewrites the linking URLs, so you
get the natty pictures.

Now - I think this is against the news copyright message, which states... "you
are not permitted to ... adapt or change in any way the content of these BBC
web pages for any other purpose whatsoever without the prior written
permission of the BBC."

Similarly, the main site's copyright message states "You may not ... use
bbc.co.uk content in any way except for your own personal, non-commercial
use. You also agree not to adapt, alter or create a derivative work from any
bbc.co.uk content except for your own personal, non-commercial use."

I don't think I can use the nicer graphics for the weather map; and that my
iGoogle BBC News gadget can't be released for others to use, therefore.

Anyone disagree?

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On 9/2/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I would have thought it would be fine you use the BBC URLs rather than
> copy them and rehost them.
>
> On 02/09/07, James Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, have replied offlist to this.
> >
> > > Any chance you could make it provide the "old" weather symbols (as
> > stilled used on bbc.co.uk homepage) as an option?
> >
> > Every chance, but I'm unclear of whether we're allowed to.
> >
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> >  On 9/2/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > > James,
> > >
> > > Very nice - simple to use too.  Any chance you could make it provide
> > > the "old" weather symbols (as stilled used on bbc.co.uk homepage) as
> > > an option?
> > >
> > >
> > >  On 01/09/07, James Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A little bit of relaxation coding, and I'm proud to bring you my
> > > > very first BBC Backstage iGoogle gadget.
> > > >
> > > > http://ig4bbcweather.notlong.com
> > > >
> > > > Edit the settings to choose your UK placename - it's nice and small,
> > > > and uses the official BBC weather feed.
> > > > Clicking the name of the place you've chosen will bring up the full
> > > > page from the BBC Weather website.
> > > >
> > > > Coded in PHP, using the SimplePie library for RSS feeds.
> > > >
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> > > >
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RE: [backstage] Release: BBC Weather iGoogle gadget

[Christopher Woods]

It's both personal and non-commercial, so what's the problem? After all, due
to the unique way in which the BBC is funded...


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland
Sent: 02 September 2007 22:00
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] Release: BBC Weather iGoogle gadget


Well, as a thought... if you add-by-URL
http://james.cridland.net/code/bbcnews.php then you'll get a BBC News
iGoogle gadget. It's quite pretty, I think. It scrapes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/text_only.stm and rewrites the linking URLs, so you
get the natty pictures.

Now - I think this is against the news copyright message, which states... "
you are not permitted to ... adapt or change in any way the content of these
BBC web pages for any other purpose whatsoever without the prior written
permission of the BBC."

Similarly, the main site's copyright message states "You may not ... use
bbc.co.uk content in any way except for your own personal, non-commercial
use. You also agree not to adapt, alter or create a derivative work from any
bbc.co.uk content except for your own personal, non-commercial use."

I don't think I can use the nicer graphics for the weather map; and that my
iGoogle BBC News gadget can't be released for others to use, therefore. 

Anyone disagree?

-- 
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Media UK is a Not At All Bad Ltd production. Company info:
http://www.notatallbad.ltd.uk/ 


On 9/2/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

I would have thought it would be fine you use the BBC URLs rather than copy
them and rehost them. 



On 02/09/07, James Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> wrote: 

Sorry, have replied offlist to this.

> Any chance you could make it provide the "old" weather symbols (as stilled
used on bbc.co.uk   homepage) as an option?

Every chance, but I'm unclear of whether we're allowed to. 

-- 
http://james.cridland.net   |
http://www.mediauk.com  

Media UK is a Not At All Bad Ltd production. Company info:
http://www.notatallbad.ltd.uk/   



On 9/2/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > wrote: 

James,
 
Very nice - simple to use too.  Any chance you could make it provide the
"old" weather symbols (as stilled used on bbc.co.uk 
homepage) as an option?

 

On 01/09/07, James Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> wrote: 

A little bit of relaxation coding, and I'm proud to bring you my very first
BBC Backstage iGoogle gadget. 

http://ig4bbcweather.notlong.com  

Edit the settings to choose your UK placename - it's nice and small, and
uses the official BBC weather feed. 
Clicking the name of the place you've chosen will bring up the full page
from the BBC Weather website.

Coded in PHP, using the SimplePie library for RSS feeds.

-- 
http://james.cridland.net   |
http://www.mediauk.com  

Media UK is a Not At All Bad Ltd production. Company info:
http://www.notatallbad.ltd.uk/   






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Re: [backstage] Release: BBC Weather iGoogle gadget

[Brian Butterworth]

On 02/09/07, James Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well, as a thought... if you add-by-URL
> http://james.cridland.net/code/bbcnews.php then you'll get a BBC News
> iGoogle gadget. It's quite pretty, I think. It scrapes
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/text_only.stm and rewrites the linking URLs, so you
> get the natty pictures.
>
> Now - I think this is against the news copyright message, which states...
> " you are not permitted to ... adapt or change in any way the content of
> these BBC web pages for any other purpose whatsoever without the prior
> written permission of the BBC."


Presumably the point of backstage is to identify those items that can be
provided with written permission???

It would be handy if the "scraping" was doable, because I'm writing a PAJAX
system to allow fast searching and monitoring of the BBC News website and it
would be nice if it could be put to some use.  I'm just doing it as a PHP
with AJAX primer right now..

I'm also keen to get hold of the "generic minutes" that BBC News radio
reporters submit too...  I have a great idea for a "breaking news"
gadget...

Similarly, the main site's copyright message states "You may not ... use
> bbc.co.uk content in any way except for your own personal, non-commercial
> use. You also agree not to adapt, alter or create a derivative work from any
> bbc.co.uk content except for your own personal, non-commercial use."


It's non-commercial, but is it personal?

I don't think I can use the nicer graphics for the weather map; and that my
> iGoogle BBC News gadget can't be released for others to use, therefore.
>
> Anyone disagree?


-
http://james.cridland.net | http://www.mediauk.com

Media UK is a Not At All Bad Ltd production. Company info:
http://www.notatallbad.ltd.uk/



>  On 9/2/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I would have thought it would be fine you use the BBC URLs rather than
> > copy them and rehost them.
> >
> > On 02/09/07, James Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry, have replied offlist to this.
> > >
> > > > Any chance you could make it provide the "old" weather symbols (as
> > > stilled used on bbc.co.uk homepage) as an option?
> > >
> > > Every chance, but I'm unclear of whether we're allowed to.
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://james.cridland.net | http://www.mediauk.com
> > >
> > > Media UK is a Not At All Bad Ltd production. Company info: 
> > > http://www.notatallbad.ltd.uk/
> > >
> > >
> > >  On 9/2/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > James,
> > > >
> > > > Very nice - simple to use too.  Any chance you could make it provide
> > > > the "old" weather symbols (as stilled used on bbc.co.uk homepage) as
> > > > an option?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  On 01/09/07, James Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > A little bit of relaxation coding, and I'm proud to bring you my
> > > > > very first BBC Backstage iGoogle gadget.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://ig4bbcweather.notlong.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Edit the settings to choose your UK placename - it's nice and
> > > > > small, and uses the official BBC weather feed.
> > > > > Clicking the name of the place you've chosen will bring up the
> > > > > full page from the BBC Weather website.
> > > > >
> > > > > Coded in PHP, using the SimplePie library for RSS feeds.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > http://james.cridland.net | http://www.mediauk.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Media UK is a Not At All Bad Ltd production. Company info: 
> > > > > http://www.notatallbad.ltd.uk/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Please email me back if you need any more help.
> > > >
> > > > Brian Butterworth
> > > > www.ukfree.tv
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Please email me back if you need any more help.
> >
> > Brian Butterworth
> > www.ukfree.tv
> >
>
>


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