Re: [BackupPC-users] Does ClientNameAlias work with smb hosts
On 03/08 12:56 , Brendan Simon wrote: > I am using $Conf{ClientNameAlias} quite happily with rsync/ssh unix > hosts, but I can't get it to work with a Windows/smb server. > > I assume it should work, or is this a bad assumption ??? it certainly works for me. what happens when you try to su to the backuppc user, and run '/path/to/BackupPC_dump -f -v '? -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] email notification
I am running Backuppc on Debian Sarge using the .deb package. Everything is working great, with one minor exception. I've been running this a few months, and I used to get an email with a subject something like "Backuppc Administrative Attention Needed" if a host or hosts did not run successfully. For the last few weeks, I have not gotten this. I checked the email queue on the machine, and it is clear. The machine sends other emails OK (like logcheck for instance). What should I check for this? Trey --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Change Location of Backup
On my debian system, all I did was to shut down backuppc, bring up the second file system, mount it somewhere temporarily, move all the data from /var/lib/backuppc over to it, then unmount and remount the second file system to /var/lib/backuppc and voila, I had all the data on a separate drive. Make it all permanent in fstab and restart backuppc and you should be good to go. Works fine as long as you're dedicating a partion/disk/volume to BackupPC. -Ken On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 21:58 +, Chris Willard wrote: > Hi, > > I have just installed BackupPC on my Debian system using the package > manager. I was not given a choice of where to install the backups. Is > there a way to change to location as I would like to use a separate disk > for backups. Would it work if I moved the data from the current location > and then used a symbolic link? > > Regards, > > Chris Willard > > > > --- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language > that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast > and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 > ___ > BackupPC-users mailing list > BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users > http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Change Location of Backup
On 03/08 12:52 , Ken Long wrote: > Works fine as long as you're dedicating a partion/disk/volume to > BackupPC. In fact, I would *recommend* that you do this. There are a number of reasons. - if the main disk fails, you can recover information off the backups to re-set it up. - if the backup disk fails, you can easily rebuild it with new information once the disk is replaced. - if you need to expand it to encompass more space, and you set it up with LVM, you can easily unmount the filesystem, expand it, check it, and re-mount it. - if you want to re-install your OS, you can do that without losing your data. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] No Backups Email
I added a host for testing direct restores and have the full period set to -2 (don't do any backups). Every night I receive email saying there are no backups for that host. I know that and don't want any backups. Is there a way to stop the emails for this host? Dan --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] No Backups Email
On 03/08 11:12 , Dan D Niles wrote: > Is there a way to stop the emails for this host? $Conf{EMailNotifyMinDays} = 365; -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] No Backups Email
Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom writes: > On 03/08 11:12 , Dan D Niles wrote: > > Is there a way to stop the emails for this host? > > $Conf{EMailNotifyMinDays} = 365; > Wouldn't that start notifying me after 365 days? What if I set it to -1? Dan --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] No Backups Email
On 03/08 12:17 , Dan D Niles wrote: > Wouldn't that start notifying me after 365 days? yeah. > What if I set it to -1? don't know if that'll work. read the source or ask Craig. I just sort of use it as a reminder that the host is still out there, taking up space on disk. After a year, you can decide whether you really want to spend the space on it or not. :) -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] Wishlist: better error messages in command-line tools
I tried running this command: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/share/backuppc/bin/BackupPC_serverMesg srv.example.tld srv.example.tld backuppc 0 and got this following error: Got reply: error: bad command srv.example.tld srv.example.tld backuppc 0 I did eventually figure out the problem with my syntax; but it would help if there was a little more debugging information available. :) It would be wonderful if all the command-line tools accepted a '--help' option and printed a usage message. Just throwing this wishlist item out there, in case someone has a free moment or two to fix this. (My perl skillz are awful, and I have no spare time at the moment). -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Wishlist: better error messages in command-line tools
Le mercredi 8 Mars 2006 20:39, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom a écrit : > I tried running this command: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/share/backuppc/bin/BackupPC_serverMesg > srv.example.tld srv.example.tld backuppc 0 > > and got this following error: > > Got reply: error: bad command srv.example.tld srv.example.tld backuppc 0 > evening, the syntaxe should be : /usr/share/backuppc/bin/BackupPC_serverMesg backup srv.example.tld srv.example.tld backuppc 0 (you miss the word backup) you can have a look to Craig answer : http://www.mail-archive.com/backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg01227.html as you said, a --help option should be welcome ;o) mna. -- L'homme n'est pétri d'un limon plus précieux ; la Nature n'a employé qu'une seule et même pâte, dont elle a seulement varié les levains. Julien La Mettrie --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Wishlist: better error messages in command-line tools
On 03/08 09:09 , mna.news wrote: > the syntaxe should be : > > /usr/share/backuppc/bin/BackupPC_serverMesg backup srv.example.tld > srv.example.tld backuppc 0 yep. I figured it out eventualy. thanks for the help tho. :) -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] Wish
Hi, Is it possible to make backups directories dependant from a file (or its content)? I mean I've a machine with 3 different installations I'd like to backup, but Backuppc has no mean to know whether it is system1, system2 or system3 that is on-line. Jean-Yves --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] Full backups - how are they filled
If I make a full backup say today, and I run 29 days of incrementals then run a full backup on day 30, will the full backup fill in the difference from the 29 days of incrementals+ the first full backup? Or will it just download the entire full backup from the machine?-- Best Regards,Stephen
Re: [BackupPC-users] Full backups - how are they filled
On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 19:03, Stephen Vaughan wrote: > If I make a full backup say today, and I run 29 days of incrementals > then run a full backup on day 30, will the full backup fill in the > difference from the 29 days of incrementals+ the first full backup? Or > will it just download the entire full backup from the machine? The tar and smb methods will download the full backup, then replace any files that match existing pooled copies with links. The rsync/rsyncd methods will download the changes from the previous full, then fill in the unchanged files with links. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] logging in as different users
How do I login to backuppc as different users? I can't seem to find a way to "logout" as the current user. Does BackupPC have a logout facility ??? Does the login use cookies or someother way to remember my login ?? How do I clear this??? Thanks, Brendan. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
RE: [BULK] RE: [BackupPC-users] Unexpected end of tar archive
Thanks for your help, Craig! I appreciate it so very much. I've filed a bug report with Samba, as you suggested. https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3592 Out of curiosity, though, it seems that you still have an open bug that references the same problem. In bug 563 https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=563 you mentioned "smbclient tar extract still only writes a maximum 2GB file; not sure why." Am I right in assuming that this is the same issue? In any event, I'm still unfamiliar with how I should go about fixing this in my case. I assume that I need to download the source and modify it and recompile smbclient... but I haven't a clue on how to "make padsize an unsigned int", as you suggest. I'm afraid that I know some ASP and PHP, and that's about it. Any direction about where to start with this would be appreciated. Thanks! Justin Best 503.906.7611 Voice 561.828.0496 Fax -Original Message- From: Craig Barratt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:05 PM To: Justin Best Cc: backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [BULK] RE: [BackupPC-users] Unexpected end of tar archive "Justin Best" writes: > > When Outlook is running, the PST file is locked and the backup fails > > I've been going with the assumption that this error was due to the > apostrophe in the PST file name, since I *thought* the error disappeared > when I renamed "Madalyn's Personal Folders.pst" to "Madalyns Personal > Folders.pst". I've since discovered that I was wrong. > > See attached log file for details. The error occurs consistently when > BackupPC tries to back up this particular PST file, and can't because the > PST file is locked. I get a ton of weird garbage in the log immediately > following the attempt to back up the PST file. > > How do I go about troubleshooting this? My next guess is that it's related > to the large size of the PST file in question. (> 2GB) Yes. It's a bug in smbclient. The problem is that smbclient emits the tar header (including the file's size) before it notices the file is locked and cannot be read. It's too late at that point to omit the file from the tar archive. So it fills the tar archive with dummy data. BackupPC notices the error message and removes the file, since it just contains 0x0 data. Looking at samba 3.0.7 (an old version, but the latest I have around), samba-3.0.7/source/client/clitar.c does this: /* pad tar file with zero's if we couldn't get entire file */ if (nread < finfo.size) { DEBUG(0, ("Didn't get entire file. size=%.0f, nread=%d\n", (double)finfo.size, (int)nread)); if (padit(data, sizeof(data), finfo.size - nread)) DEBUG(0,("Error writing tar file - %s\n", strerror(errno))); } and padit() is: static int padit(char *buf, int bufsize, int padsize) Notice the padsize is an int, so above 2GB (your file is just over 2GB), it is negative! For a start, if you make padsize an unsigned int then you should be good to 4GB. But the real fix is to make padsize's type SMB_BIG_UINT, which should be 64 bits on most modern machines. You should also file a bug and patch with samba. Craig --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] logging in as different users
On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 19:57, Brendan Simon wrote: > How do I login to backuppc as different users? I can't seem to find a > way to "logout" as the current user. Does BackupPC have a logout > facility ??? > > Does the login use cookies or someother way to remember my login ?? > How do I clear this??? If you are using basic http authentication the browser remembers it until you close the browser. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] Authentiating logins
Les Mikesell wrote: If you are using basic http authentication the browser remembers it until you close the browser. OK. I think I am. Are there other authentication methods besides using the htpasswd file? I'm trying to create a setup where all our unix and windows boxes use a centalised LDAP server. Could backuppc uses that same mechanism to authenticate logins ??? Thanks, Brendan. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Authentiating logins
On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 20:28, Brendan Simon wrote: > > If you are using basic http authentication the browser > > remembers it until you close the browser. > > > OK. I think I am. > > Are there other authentication methods besides using the htpasswd file? > I'm trying to create a setup where all our unix and windows boxes use a > centalised LDAP server. Could backuppc uses that same mechanism to > authenticate logins ??? Anything that works with apache will work with backuppc - and there are a lot of mod_auth_xxx modules for apache. I use mod_auth_pam myself with the pam configuration set to use either the local linux passwords or smb authentication against a windows domain. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] backing up files that change during backup
Is there anyway to get backuppc to continue to backup regardless of errors? I had it backing up a 2gb db file, and during the transfer the file was modified and backuppc recognised this and aborted the backup. Remote[1]: send_files failed to open misc/backups/netchant-db.blobdump: No such file or directorymisc/backups/netchant-db.dump: md4 doesn't match: will retry in phase 1; file removed[ skipped 11751 lines ] Can't write 32840 bytes to socket[ skipped 3882 lines ]Read EOF: Tried again: got 0 bytesChild is abortingParent read EOF from child: fatal error!Done: 14625 files, 1369509991 bytesGot fatal error during xfer (Child exited prematurely) Backup aborted (Child exited prematurely) -- Best Regards,Stephen
Re: [BackupPC-users] backing up files that change during backup
Stephen Vaughan writes: > Is there anyway to get backuppc to continue to backup regardless of > errors? I had it backing up a 2gb db file, and during the transfer the > file was modified and backuppc recognised this and aborted the backup. > > Remote[1]: send_files failed to open > misc/backups/netchant-db.blobdump: No such file or directory > misc/backups/netchant-db.dump: md4 doesn't match: will retry in phase > 1; file removed > [ skipped 11751 lines ] > Can't write 32840 bytes to socket > [ skipped 3882 lines ] > Read EOF: > Tried again: got 0 bytes > Child is aborting > Parent read EOF from child: fatal error! > Done: 14625 files, 1369509991 bytes > Got fatal error during xfer (Child exited prematurely) > Backup aborted (Child exited prematurely) It is continuing: there are 11751 files mentioned before the next error. What is the value of $Conf{ClientTimeout}? If it is 7200 please increase it by 20x. Craig --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] backing up files that change during backup
I've got it set very high, something like 70. Here is the error from the Xferlog.. same 644 1002/1002 40960 www/xxx/docs.stage/files/national/news/project_costing_survey.doc same 644 1002/1002 122930 www/xxx/docs.stage/files/national/news/project_costing_survey.pdf create d 755 1002/10024096 www/xxx/docs.stage/files/new_south_wales create d 755 1002/10024096 www/xxx/docs.stage/files/new_south_wales/communique same 644 1002/1002 78826 www/xxx/docs.stage/files/new_south_wales/communique/aca_communique_03-03-05.pdf same 644 1002/1002 51831 www/xxx/docs.stage/files/new_south_wales/communique/aca_communique_05-01-05.pdfRead EOF: Tried again: got 0 bytesChild is abortingParent read EOF from child: fatal error! Done: 14625 files, 1369509991 bytesGot fatal error during xfer (Child exited prematurely)Backup aborted (Child exited prematurely) On 3/9/06, Craig Barratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Stephen Vaughan writes:> Is there anyway to get backuppc to continue to backup regardless of> errors? I had it backing up a 2gb db file, and during the transfer the> file was modified and backuppc recognised this and aborted the backup. >> Remote[1]: send_files failed to open> misc/backups/netchant-db.blobdump: No such file or directory> misc/backups/netchant-db.dump: md4 doesn't match: will retry in phase> 1; file removed > [ skipped 11751 lines ]> Can't write 32840 bytes to socket> [ skipped 3882 lines ]> Read EOF:> Tried again: got 0 bytes> Child is aborting> Parent read EOF from child: fatal error! > Done: 14625 files, 1369509991 bytes> Got fatal error during xfer (Child exited prematurely)> Backup aborted (Child exited prematurely)It is continuing: there are 11751 files mentioned before the next error.What is the value of $Conf{ClientTimeout}? If it is 7200please increase it by 20x.Craig-- Best Regards,Stephen
[BackupPC-users] CPU usage and low network usage
I was hoping to find out if anyone else has seen this situation: I have a dual core AMD Athlon 64 processor and when backups are taking place the processor usage generally sits at 100% on both cores (When multiple machines are being backed up), if not at 100% then generally very close to it At the same time, 3 hosts being backed up, two of which have gigabit links to the backuppc, and the other with a 100Mbit connect, and on the backuppc I am seeing a maximum network throughput of 13MB/s, but generally I'm getting 4mb/s sometimes as little at 300bps when all three hosts are being backed up[... this seems AWFLY slow.. I'm using Ubuntu 5.10, backing up via Rsyncd, all hosts being backed up are windows using Cygwin-RsyncD, all machines have 2GB memory and very fast cpu Memory usage on all the machines involved is not excessive, infact it's relatively low Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks for your help Jamie