Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Joe Konecny jkone...@rmtohio.com wrote: I'm not claiming I can explain the solution to his problem but this is a good example of why microsoft is so successful. MS has MVP's (most valuable professional's) (and they aren't necessarily on ms's payroll) that hang out in forums and relentless answer questions that have been asked thousands of times. With the open source world... you are usually responded to with rtfm or don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. A very helpful classic howto: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html also explains why open-source geeks can give the impression you've formed. People answering question that have been already been answered thousands of times are doing nothing but wasting time and bandwidth - not just their's but everyone else's who participates in that list/forum. When my five-year-old pulls a tantrum about changing the DVD right now, sure it's faster to just do it, but is it the right thing to do? Of course, reasonable questions should get answered reasonably promptly, just as every project once past a certain size of user base should have decent documentation. The question is who should provide these services? IMO the answer is those users of the free software who don't have the skills to actually help develop it. Free as in freedom but not as in beer - if every BackupPC user that didn't contribute otherwise put in one or two hour per month on a docs wiki, the quality of the project (and therefore its popularity) would be enormous. And the developers wouldn't be pestered with as many questions. end rant -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] [newb] ssh rsync with restricted permissions
I'm interested in setting up linux-linux backup. I don't like the idea of giving permission for machine1 as user backup to ssh to machine2 as root. What are the options? 1. Can ssh be restricted so that the only command user backup can run is rsync? 2. Is there an easy way (using acls?) to give a user backup read access to everything (probably not) 3. Some other options I haven't thought of? -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] [newb] ssh rsync with restricted permissions
Neal Becker wrote: I'm interested in setting up linux-linux backup. I don't like the idea of giving permission for machine1 as user backup to ssh to machine2 as root. What are the options? 1. Can ssh be restricted so that the only command user backup can run is rsync? 2. Is there an easy way (using acls?) to give a user backup read access to everything (probably not) 3. Some other options I haven't thought of? Maybe I can use the command=rsync option to the client's authorized_keys file? -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] [newb] BackupFilesOnly?
I have BackupFilesOnly set to /home/nbecker, but right now rsync is running with: /usr/bin/rsync --server --sender --numeric-ids --perms --owner --group -D -- links --hard-links --times --block-size=2048 --recursive --ignore-times . / What did I do wrong? (I started backup manually via web gui by selecting full backup of my 1 client) -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Joe Konecny jkone...@rmtohio.com wrote: On 3/18/2011 5:00 AM, hans...@gmail.com wrote: This isn't valid. With today's pipes bandwidth isn't a concern as far as forums go. I realize this is a mailing list and not a I meant the mental bandwidth of the participants. forum but you can probably read the archives if it bothers you. One could argue that the more (quality) traffic we have the better. I stand by my assertion if you want a product to succeed than it is better to relentlessly answer questions. If I had a product I was trying to sell, I assure you that is what I would do. We don't want to chase away users. Then development stops. Key word is quality. Which IMO means interesting discussions that further the development efforts as per the smart questions howto. We aren't selling anything, opensource software isn't a product, it's a project driven by its users - success is simply satisfying their needs. If there aren't enough sufficiently skilled and motivated users around to keep a project going, then it dies and so it should, but the number of non-contributing users are not a support but a drain on the communities resources if they don't follow basic netiquette. If you want to become a user you need to pay the price - in the FOSS world, that usually means higher knowledge/experience prerequisites and a steeper learning curve, not to mention the implied obligation to contribute back to the community. No one is obliged to help people that haven't read the docs or searched for answers to FAQs asking basic questions. However if you would like to spend your time doing so, no one will object. Just don't talk as if anything you get for free from the generous developers and user community is yours by right, everything you get here is a gift for which the only appropriate response is gratitude. And of course all of this is just IMHO, feel free to disagree, that's what makes the world so interesting. -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
Joe Konecny wrote at about 09:22:05 -0400 on Friday, March 18, 2011: On 3/18/2011 5:00 AM, hans...@gmail.com wrote: People answering question that have been already been answered thousands of times are doing nothing but wasting time and bandwidth - not just their's but everyone else's who participates in that list/forum. This isn't valid. With today's pipes bandwidth isn't a concern as far as forums go. I realize this is a mailing list and not a forum but you can probably read the archives if it bothers you. One could argue that the more (quality) traffic we have the better. I stand by my assertion if you want a product to succeed than it is better to relentlessly answer questions. If I had a product I was trying to sell, I assure you that is what I would do. We don't want to chase away users. Then development stops. As a long term participant and contributor to this mailing list, I DEFINITELY see and agree that repetitive, off-topic, complaining, or vague requests significantly detract from this group. When the signal-to-noise ratio goes down so does the motivation to plow through all the chafe to find the few good grains of wheat. Indeed, it causes some of the most helpful contributors to stop even subscribing. After all, who wants to add dozens or more emails to their Inbox just to have wade through them like spam. We encourage good questions, new questions, and all types of positive contributions. But at the same time we expect users to take the minimal effort to look through the documentation and archives before asking the same question for the zillionth time. If users expect good free tech support then at a minimum they should do all they can to make it easier for the few who answer questions. -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
On 3/18/2011 8:22 AM, Joe Konecny wrote: On 3/18/2011 5:00 AM, hans...@gmail.com wrote: People answering question that have been already been answered thousands of times are doing nothing but wasting time and bandwidth - not just their's but everyone else's who participates in that list/forum. This isn't valid. With today's pipes bandwidth isn't a concern as far as forums go. I think the bandwidth in question is human. There is only so much time to read and reply. I realize this is a mailing list and not a forum but you can probably read the archives if it bothers you. Actually, this is also a forum by virtue of backupcentral.com's gateway. And most of the beginner questions originate there, even though it has a search facility. The problem is that forum users only ask questions and once their own question has been answered and they have some experience, they never return to help with anyone else's problem. One could argue that the more (quality) traffic we have the better. I stand by my assertion if you want a product to succeed than it is better to relentlessly answer questions. If I had a product I was trying to sell, I assure you that is what I would do. We don't want to chase away users. Then development stops. But no one is selling a product here. It works, it is simple and elegant, it does some things that nothing else does, and if someone asks a question that some other user has solved recently it will get an answer. It is pretty much all laid out in the documentation anyway although since the configs are perl snippets it helps to know an array or hash of arrays when you see them. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] [newb] ssh rsync with restricted permissions
You can prefix the key in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys with something like the following: no-pty,no-agent-forwarding,no-X11-forwarding,no-port-forwarding,command=rsync --server --sender -vlogDtprze.iL --ignore-errors --numeric-ids --inplace . / ssh-rsa ... This will force a ssh connection to start rsync rather than a shell. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: Neal Becker wrote: I'm interested in setting up linux-linux backup. I don't like the idea of giving permission for machine1 as user backup to ssh to machine2 as root. What are the options? 1. Can ssh be restricted so that the only command user backup can run is rsync? 2. Is there an easy way (using acls?) to give a user backup read access to everything (probably not) 3. Some other options I haven't thought of? Maybe I can use the command=rsync option to the client's authorized_keys file? -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki: http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] [newb] ssh rsync with restricted permissions
Well before your post I tried: command=rsync But this fails. It seems BPC wants to run some other commands besides just rsync. The failure said something about not being able to get the filelist. Mike Loseke wrote: You can prefix the key in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys with something like the following: no-pty,no-agent-forwarding,no-X11-forwarding,no-port- forwarding,command=rsync --server --sender -vlogDtprze.iL --ignore-errors --numeric-ids --inplace . / ssh-rsa ... This will force a ssh connection to start rsync rather than a shell. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: Neal Becker wrote: I'm interested in setting up linux-linux backup. I don't like the idea of giving permission for machine1 as user backup to ssh to machine2 as root. What are the options? 1. Can ssh be restricted so that the only command user backup can run is rsync? 2. Is there an easy way (using acls?) to give a user backup read access to everything (probably not) 3. Some other options I haven't thought of? Maybe I can use the command=rsync option to the client's authorized_keys file? -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
On 3/18/2011 11:00 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: But no one is selling a product here. It is being sold in a metaphorical sense. It works, it is simple and elegant, it does some things that nothing else does, and if someone asks a question that some other user has solved recently it will get an answer. Well if you count rtfm as an answer then I agree. -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] [newb] ssh rsync with restricted permissions
On 3/18/2011 6:57 AM, Neal Becker wrote: Neal Becker wrote: I'm interested in setting up linux-linux backup. I don't like the idea of giving permission for machine1 as user backup to ssh to machine2 as root. What are the options? 1. Can ssh be restricted so that the only command user backup can run is rsync? 2. Is there an easy way (using acls?) to give a user backup read access to everything (probably not) 3. Some other options I haven't thought of? Maybe I can use the command=rsync option to the client's authorized_keys file? You can, but keep in mind that your security still depends very much on the security of the backup host. If you permit write access it can replace any files on the targets, and even without, it is likely to have copies of private keys in the backups and encrypted passwords that can be cracked with offline access. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] [newb] BackupFilesOnly?
Well, it seems that just looking at the command line while it was running was misleading. In fact, it did just backup /home/nbecker as I wanted. Thanks. Les Mikesell wrote: On 3/18/2011 7:39 AM, Neal Becker wrote: I have BackupFilesOnly set to /home/nbecker, but right now rsync is running with: /usr/bin/rsync --server --sender --numeric-ids --perms --owner --group -D -- links --hard-links --times --block-size=2048 --recursive --ignore-times . / What did I do wrong? (I started backup manually via web gui by selecting full backup of my 1 client) If all you want is one subdirectory with rsync, why not make that your sharename? I'm not sure about the exclude syntax - it may be that you need to drop the leading / or use ./ instead, depending on how the rsync program is started. http://www.mail-archive.com/backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08604.html -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
On 3/18/2011 10:26 AM, Joe Konecny wrote: On 3/18/2011 11:00 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: But no one is selling a product here. It is being sold in a metaphorical sense. So, do I get a metaphorical commission if I help metaphorically sell copies to people who won't bother to read the docs? It works, it is simple and elegant, it does some things that nothing else does, and if someone asks a question that some other user has solved recently it will get an answer. Well if you count rtfm as an answer then I agree. If someone won't read the docs or google for existing solutions, how much else can you do? But I think if you look through the list archives you'll see answers where the questions are specific enough to actually have an answer and common enough that someone else knows it. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
hans...@gmail.com wrote: Incidentally, is there a Windows backup program as good as BackupPC? I should have said that there does not seem to be a Microsoft backup program. I'm reluctant to run non-MS programs, for the same reason that I do not like to run unofficial Fedora or CentOS programs, since I have found that they frequently cause problems after updates. Every MS Windows OS I've used (since 3.0x in the 8086 days) has shipped with a free backup program. Many were basically useless, but I have to believe the post-XP ones may be a bit better. I actually said that there did not seem to be a standard Microsoft backup program that did incremental backups. I notice that nobody has actually told me there is one. Your statement beggars belief - third party programs are only reason to run a Microsoft OS in the first place. You really have computers that have **only** Microsoft software on them?? Well, I would not spend money on Windows programs. I got Windows XP from my university for €20, and Windows Office for the same amount. Nearly all my laptops are Thinkpads, and I religiously install all MS and Lenovo updates. But I have never spent any money on any Windows program apart from the €40 mentioned above. As should be clear, I run Linux (Fedora/KDE) 95% of the time (and CentOS on my two servers). However, I always have a Windows partition I can boot from, as I am not a religious fanatic, and there are some processes (eg updating firmware) which require one to be running Windows. I usually run printers under Windows until I can work out how to run them under Linux (often very difficult). You use Paint rather than Photoshop to edit graphics? I've never edited any graphics under Windows. It's like saying you would only put a Ford stereo in your car - or rather you want to buy a Michelin car so it'll be compatible with your tires, or - OK I'll shut up, be speechless. . . That seems a bizarre analogy. Most people buy a car with tyres already on it, I think. I do actually install the tyres recommended by Mitsubishi in my Mitsubishi car. Don't people usually do that? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
Les Mikesell wrote: I've seen memtest take 3 days to find bad RAM. Sometimes only certain patterns/timing will fail. The standard memtest86+ completes in about 90 minutes on all the computers I have. As far as I can see, it just starts again and runs the same tests if you leave it running. Also, when I have a bad memory module, as in this case, I get hundreds of errors in Test 2, after a couple of minutes. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
Joe Konecny wrote: There are loads of ms forums out there. Many of them are very professional. Such as ... google them... They aren't hard to find. Look at the forum activity and the number of replies and you can get a good idea of a good forum. This should get you started... http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/categories http://www.brianmadden.com/forums/default.aspx Well, if I have a Windows problem (quite common on my wife's work laptop) I always start by googling for site:microsoft.com problem, so I would have met the first two you mention. I can only say that in my experience it is quite rare for anyone to offer sensible or helpful Windows advice without at the same time offering to run a free service to check your Registry, which turns out to cost $25 if you try to run it (after telling you that your Registry contains 573 errors). I'll try the third site you mention, maybe that will change my views. But at present I am firmly of the opinion that one is far more likely to get sensible advice (even about Windows problems) on Linux forums like this one. Of course, a Windows query on a Linux forum will lead to a lot of ranting, but one frequently gets an answer among the screams. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 16:08 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: The standard memtest86+ completes in about 90 minutes on all the computers I have. As far as I can see, it just starts again and runs the same tests if you leave it running. Also, when I have a bad memory module, as in this case, I get hundreds of errors in Test 2, after a couple of minutes. Unfortunately, memtest+'s results are only reliable if they are negative. A positive results means good ram, or bad ram that just hasn't erred yet. Which is why you have to run it for days to be reasonably sure (but still not 100%). However, some errors do produce reliable failures, such as the bad module you describe. Regards, Tyler -- The fundamental problem for the West is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power. -- Lord Carey of Clifton, former Archbishop of Canterbury -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
On 3/18/2011 11:49 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 3/18/2011 10:26 AM, Joe Konecny wrote: On 3/18/2011 11:00 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: But no one is selling a product here. It is being sold in a metaphorical sense. So, do I get a metaphorical commission if I help metaphorically sell copies to people who won't bother to read the docs? It's not about selling backuppc in the sense that you get money. It's about promoting. I used the word selling to describe what I would do if I had a product to make money off of. If I was making money sales from some product I would answer questions regardless of who read what. I would want to promote/sell in spite of how well I perceived my users to have read the docs. It works, it is simple and elegant, it does some things that nothing else does, and if someone asks a question that some other user has solved recently it will get an answer. Well if you count rtfm as an answer then I agree. If someone won't read the docs or google for existing solutions, how much else can you do? But I think if you look through the list archives you'll see answers where the questions are specific enough to actually have an answer and common enough that someone else knows it. You point them to the locations and even paragraphs of docs to read. Maybe even post snippets of docs. -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
On 3/18/2011 11:08 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: I've seen memtest take 3 days to find bad RAM. Sometimes only certain patterns/timing will fail. The standard memtest86+ completes in about 90 minutes on all the computers I have. As far as I can see, it just starts again and runs the same tests if you leave it running. I think it cycles a different pattern on each run. Also, when I have a bad memory module, as in this case, I get hundreds of errors in Test 2, after a couple of minutes. There are different failure modes. Some only show up when there is a certain pattern in adjacent bits. And you may have 1-bit ECC covering up some failures but not able to cope with them all. In theory, ECC is supposed to halt the machine on an uncorrectable failure but I've seen that fail too. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
On 3/18/2011 11:05 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I actually said that there did not seem to be a standard Microsoft
backup program that did incremental backups.
I notice that nobody has actually told me there is one.
Errr, if you have a windows box, type 'ntbackup -?' and note that the
help listing shows /M {backup type} with choices of nomal, copy,
differential, incremental, or daily.
But it's not going to do cross platform runs from a central server with
a web interface and pool all copies of duplicate files for you.
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Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
On 3/18/2011 11:24 AM, Joe Konecny wrote: It is being sold in a metaphorical sense. So, do I get a metaphorical commission if I help metaphorically sell copies to people who won't bother to read the docs? It's not about selling backuppc in the sense that you get money. It's about promoting. No, it's about the reason to promote. With free software there are plenty of reasons to seek it out and use it, but pretty much by definition it isn't going to make much difference to anyone else whether you do or not. I used the word selling to describe what I would do if I had a product to make money off of. If I was making money sales from some product I would answer questions regardless of who read what. I would want to promote/sell in spite of how well I perceived my users to have read the docs. You do understand that the author of the program has a day job, don't you (as the CEO of a large company...)? If someone won't read the docs or google for existing solutions, how much else can you do? But I think if you look through the list archives you'll see answers where the questions are specific enough to actually have an answer and common enough that someone else knows it. You point them to the locations and even paragraphs of docs to read. Maybe even post snippets of docs. Anyone can participate here. Show us how it should be done. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] [newb] ssh rsync with restricted permissions
On 2011-03-18 05:46, Neal Becker wrote:
I'm interested in setting up linux-linux backup. I don't like the idea of
giving permission for machine1 as user backup to ssh to machine2 as root.
What
are the options?
1. Can ssh be restricted so that the only command user backup can run is
rsync?
2. Is there an easy way (using acls?) to give a user backup read access to
everything (probably not)
3. Some other options I haven't thought of?
$Conf{RsyncClientCmd} = '$sshPath -p38134 -q -x $host sudo $rsyncPath
$argList+';
/etc/sudoers:
backuppc ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/rsync --server --sender *
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Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
On 3/18/2011 12:46 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: You do understand that the author of the program has a day job, don't you (as the CEO of a large company...)? Sure and that is why the users and members of this list should help each other. ...and I'm not the CEO... just the lowly MIS Director. I tell everyone here that I am just a machine operator. My machine is the computer system. If someone won't read the docs or google for existing solutions, how much else can you do? But I think if you look through the list archives you'll see answers where the questions are specific enough to actually have an answer and common enough that someone else knows it. You point them to the locations and even paragraphs of docs to read. Maybe even post snippets of docs. Anyone can participate here. Show us how it should be done. All I'm saying is that we should help newbies (like me) and not run them off. It encourages the use of the product and further development of the product. -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] CPOOL, PC directories and backuppc statistics generation -- moving cpool possibly?
I am trying to figure out why my backuppc statistics are not generating (everything is basically all 0's in the status page -- see below). Notice pool is at 0gb... So looking at the code, it loops through the backupc/cpool/ directory tree and counts files and directories.Running a linux tree -a command, there are some directories, but NO files under there. However all my pc's are under the backupc/pc directory - with appropriate backed up files under each pc name. Is there possibly something wrong with my configuration that the files are in the wrong place, or some other script is not working properly to update the 'cpool'? I HAVE moved everything from /var/lib/backuppc to /mnt/backuppc (a different hard drive). AHA!!Doing a tree -a in /var/lib/backuppc I see a cpool there with LOTS of directories and files!!! So, somewhere I must have to point the cpool and log directories at the new location, where is that? backup status page: - The servers PID is 908, on host backuppc, version 3.1.0, started at 3/11 11:13. - This status was generated at 3/18 13:00. - The configuration was last loaded at 3/17 12:38. - PCs will be next queued at 3/18 14:00. - Other info: - 262 pending backup requests from last scheduled wakeup, - 0 pending user backup requests, - 0 pending command requests, - Pool is 0.00GB comprising 0 files and 0 directories (as of 3/18 13:00), - Pool hashing gives 0 repeated files with longest chain 0, - Nightly cleanup removed 0 files of size 0.00GB (around 3/18 13:00), - Pool file system was recently at 20% (3/18 12:54), today's max is 20% (3/18 01:00) and yesterday's max was 20%. -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: Many were basically useless, but I have to believe the post-XP ones may be a bit better. I actually said that there did not seem to be a standard Microsoft backup program that did incremental backups. I notice that nobody has actually told me there is one. And what's your point? It's not appropriate for you to expect to get an answer to that question here. Please ask it somewhere else. In my experience, no one one with decent computer knowledge would have bothered wasting their time even looking at a Microsoft-authored backup program, when the third-party alternatives are so widely acknowledged to be superior. The exception would be people whose career is wedded to Redmond and are seeking to establish themselves as MS experts in MS-centric work environments. But they're not hanging out here. . . Since you're got such strong reasons to stay with MS-only solutions, why haven't you spent a bit of time and energy investigating and experimenting with the backup programs that come with your MS OS, and answer your own question? It's like saying you would only put a Ford stereo in your car - or rather you want to buy a Michelin car so it'll be compatible with your tires, or - OK I'll shut up, be speechless. . . That seems a bizarre analogy. Most people buy a car with tyres already on it, I think. My point is that I consider the OS and its built-in tools to be so fundamental, almost a background part of my total computer environment. MS itself has proven again and again over the decades to barely be competent even in its core business (OSs), and flagrantly inept in other areas its tried to compete in. Note I'm talking about their technical competence, I have nothing but awe for their business acumen, at least in past decades. Therefore making decisions based on *that* brand is like (another out there analogy!) selecting your stockbroker based on the fact that he works for the bank where you opened your first savings account as a child. I do actually install the tyres recommended by Mitsubishi in my Mitsubishi car. Don't people usually do that? No, most people realize that the car manufacturer's main motivation behind its recommendations is their profitability, not the welfare of its customers. Either the named tire manufacturer is financially tied in with Mitsubishi, or they may even have paid a fee for the recommendation (product placement). If tires were important to me, I'd pay attention to more objective, knowledgeable sources, review research reports etc. -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
On 3/18/2011 11:57 AM, Joe Konecny wrote: Anyone can participate here. Show us how it should be done. All I'm saying is that we should help newbies (like me) and not run them off. It encourages the use of the product and further development of the product. Agreed, but there's just not a good answer for questions like 'how does this work?' without any background on what has already been tried, which step was a problem, whether it was a sourceforge install or a distribution-packaged version etc., which is what kicked off this thread. Maybe some screen shots of a working system on the wiki would help. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] CPOOL, PC directories and backuppc statistics generation -- moving cpool possibly?
On 3/18/2011 12:06 PM, Scott wrote: I am trying to figure out why my backuppc statistics are not generating (everything is basically all 0's in the status page -- see below). Notice pool is at 0gb... So looking at the code, it loops through the backupc/cpool/ directory tree and counts files and directories.Running a linux tree -a command, there are some directories, but NO files under there. However all my pc's are under the backupc/pc directory - with appropriate backed up files under each pc name. Is there possibly something wrong with my configuration that the files are in the wrong place, or some other script is not working properly to update the 'cpool'? I HAVE moved everything from /var/lib/backuppc to /mnt/backuppc (a different hard drive). AHA!!Doing a tree -a in /var/lib/backuppc I see a cpool there with LOTS of directories and files!!! So, somewhere I must have to point the cpool and log directories at the new location, where is that? What version are you running? I thought that before 3.2 you had to either reinstall from the sourceforge tarball (where a part of the install script lets you set the archive location where you want it) or you had to either mount or symlink a new partition into the old location (/var/lib/backuppc, for distribution-packaged versions). There are some instructions for that here: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/backuppc/index.php?title=Change_archive_directory But I also thought that if you failed to do that, you would get an error message about not being able to make the links to the pool (except in very old versions). -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] error -4 help
What do these errors mean? I have LOTS of them - at first I thought it was something to do with my eclipse directory, but I see the errors on another machine with Adobe and some other directories: 2011-03-18 11:04:21 BackupPC_link got error -4 when calling MakeFileLink(/mnt/backuppc/pc/2510c http://backuppc/backuppc/index.cgi?host=2510c/4/fC$/fDocuments and Settings/fAdministrator/fApplication Data/fAdobe/attrib, 6fd819211482442b99e16844e676ec12, 1) 2011-03-18 11:04:21 BackupPC_link got error -4 when calling MakeFileLink(/mnt/backuppc/pc/2510c http://backuppc/backuppc/index.cgi?host=2510c/4/fC$/fDocuments and Settings/fAdministrator/fApplication Data/fAdobe/fFlash Player/fAssetCache/attrib, 7a3e563c25f15d5a2787550851db06e2, 1) -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] CPOOL, PC directories and backuppc statistics generation -- moving cpool possibly?
I HAVE moved everything from /var/lib/backuppc to /mnt/backuppc (a different hard drive). AHA!!Doing a tree -a in /var/lib/backuppc I see a cpool there with LOTS of directories and files!!! So, somewhere I must have to point the cpool and log directories at the new location, where is that? how about just replace /var/lib/backuppc with a softlink to /mnt/backuppc? -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] CPOOL, PC directories and backuppc statistics generation -- moving cpool possibly?
Scott wrote at about 13:06:21 -0400 on Friday, March 18, 2011: I am trying to figure out why my backuppc statistics are not generating (everything is basically all 0's in the status page -- see below). Notice pool is at 0gb... So looking at the code, it loops through the backupc/cpool/ directory tree and counts files and directories.Running a linux tree -a command, there are some directories, but NO files under there. However all my pc's are under the backupc/pc directory - with appropriate backed up files under each pc name. Is there possibly something wrong with my configuration that the files are in the wrong place, or some other script is not working properly to update the 'cpool'? I HAVE moved everything from /var/lib/backuppc to /mnt/backuppc (a different hard drive). AHA!!Doing a tree -a in /var/lib/backuppc I see a cpool there with LOTS of directories and files!!! So, somewhere I must have to point the cpool and log directories at the new location, where is that? That almost definitely won't work -- backuppc is based on hard links and the hard links *must* be on the same filesystem (i.e., you can't hard link across filesystems) Also, moving won't be simple since it is non-trivial to move (i.e., actually copy) a massive deeply linked filesystem. Read the documentation and archives for more details... -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
Timothy Murphy wrote at about 16:08:55 + on Friday, March 18, 2011: Les Mikesell wrote: I've seen memtest take 3 days to find bad RAM. Sometimes only certain patterns/timing will fail. The standard memtest86+ completes in about 90 minutes on all the computers I have. As far as I can see, it just starts again and runs the same tests if you leave it running. Because sometimes it takes several runs before the error occurs -- the memory may be 'flakey' not broken. In fact, if the memory were truly badly broken, it wouldn't even past the boot test... so often we are dealing with rare events triggered by heat, random fluctuations, who knows... that's why you sometimes need to run memtest for a day or more to identify rare intermittent errors. -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] Backup reported failed without any apparent error
Hi, I have BackupPC-3.2.0 running on RHEL 5.4 with perl 5.8.8 and httpd 2.2.3. I have this error in the log 2011-03-18 13:01:18 full backup started for share share 2011-03-18 13:15:00 unexpected empty share name skipped 2011-03-18 13:15:05 Backup aborted () 2011-03-18 13:15:05 Saved partial dump 0 and here's the XferLOG Errors Contents of file /build-backup/BackupPC/pc/172.16.197.235/XferLOG.0.z, modified 2011-03-18 13:15:05 (Extracting only Errors) Running: /usr/bin/smbclient 172.16.197.235\\share -U longvubackup -E -N -d 1 -c tarmode\ full -Tc - full backup started for share share Xfer PIDs are now 12147,12146 [ skipped 10773 lines ] tarExtract: Done: 0 errors, 5 filesExist, 0 sizeExist, 0 sizeExistComp, 10698 filesTotal, 12381869945 sizeTotal Backup aborted () Saving this as a partial backup, replacing the prior one (got 10698 and 10698 files versus 0) So it's not clear to me what is the error? Can someone show me how to find out what exactly is the error? Thanks, Long -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
On 3/18/2011 1:29 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 3/18/2011 11:57 AM, Joe Konecny wrote: Anyone can participate here. Show us how it should be done. All I'm saying is that we should help newbies (like me) and not run them off. It encourages the use of the product and further development of the product. Agreed, but there's just not a good answer for questions like 'how does this work?' without any background on what has already been tried, which step was a problem, whether it was a sourceforge install or a distribution-packaged version etc., which is what kicked off this thread. Maybe some screen shots of a working system on the wiki would help. The good answer would be a referral to the docs, or a faq or to request more info from the OP. Not like the two responses below... Obi-Wan: This isn't the backup solution you're looking for. Stormtrooper: This isn't the backup solution we're looking for. Obi-Wan: He can go about his business. Stormtrooper: You can go about your business. Obi-Wan: Move along. Stormtrooper: Move along... move along. I can't be bothered to learn or do things, either! Why doesn't somebody just make free software that does whatever I want? -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
Les Mikesell wrote at about 10:49:33 -0500 on Friday, March 18, 2011: On 3/18/2011 10:26 AM, Joe Konecny wrote: On 3/18/2011 11:00 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: But no one is selling a product here. It is being sold in a metaphorical sense. So, do I get a metaphorical commission if I help metaphorically sell copies to people who won't bother to read the docs? I thought he was volunteering to write metaphorical documentation and then provide metaphorical links when clueless users post questions on BackupCentral that have already been answered hundreds of time on the mailing list and in the docs. -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] error -4 help
Hi, Scott wrote on 2011-03-18 13:38:27 -0400 [[BackupPC-users] error -4 help]: What do these errors mean? I have LOTS of them - yes, we know. Basically, one for each file. [...] 2011-03-18 11:04:21 BackupPC_link got error -4 when calling MakeFileLink(/mnt/backuppc/pc/2510c http://backuppc/backuppc/index.cgi?host=2510c/4/fC$/fDocuments and Settings/fAdministrator/fApplication Data/fAdobe/attrib, 6fd819211482442b99e16844e676ec12, 1) Same issue as your previous question. See the answers there. Regards, Holger -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
hans...@gmail.com wrote: I actually said that there did not seem to be a standard Microsoft backup program that did incremental backups. I notice that nobody has actually told me there is one. And what's your point? It's not appropriate for you to expect to get an answer to that question here. Please ask it somewhere else. Sigh. I wasn't asking for an MS backup program. Exactly the opposite. I was saying that BackupPC is perfectly adequate for my purposes in backing up both Linux and Windows computers. It was you who claimed that the internet was full of MS gurus just waiting to help users, and I pointed out that in that case it was odd no-one (until possibly Les Mikesell) had suggested an MS equivalent. In my experience, no one one with decent computer knowledge would have bothered wasting their time even looking at a Microsoft-authored backup program, when the third-party alternatives are so widely acknowledged to be superior. You haven't said anything to suggest to me that you have superior computer knowledge. In my (very long, I started with a paper-tape machine) experience one almost always gets better advice on Windows problems from Unix/Linux gurus. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
On 3/18/2011 1:50 PM, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote: Les Mikesell wrote at about 10:49:33 -0500 on Friday, March 18, 2011: On 3/18/2011 10:26 AM, Joe Konecny wrote: On 3/18/2011 11:00 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: But no one is selling a product here. It is being sold in a metaphorical sense. So, do I get a metaphorical commission if I help metaphorically sell copies to people who won't bother to read the docs? I thought he was volunteering to write metaphorical documentation and then provide metaphorical links when clueless users post questions on BackupCentral that have already been answered hundreds of time on the mailing list and in the docs. Come on Jeffery... I thought I was getting through... It is best to either... 1. Answer the OP's question. 2. Refer the OP to the docs. 3. Be quiet. Probably in that order too. -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] error -4 help
On 3/18/2011 12:38 PM, Scott wrote: What do these errors mean? I have LOTS of them - at first I thought it was something to do with my eclipse directory, but I see the errors on another machine with Adobe and some other directories: 2011-03-18 11:04:21 BackupPC_link got error -4 when calling MakeFileLink(/mnt/backuppc/pc/2510c http://backuppc/backuppc/index.cgi?host=2510c/4/fC$/fDocuments and Settings/fAdministrator/fApplication Data/fAdobe/attrib, 6fd819211482442b99e16844e676ec12, 1) 2011-03-18 11:04:21 BackupPC_link got error -4 when calling MakeFileLink(/mnt/backuppc/pc/2510c http://backuppc/backuppc/index.cgi?host=2510c/4/fC$/fDocuments and Settings/fAdministrator/fApplication Data/fAdobe/fFlash Player/fAssetCache/attrib, 7a3e563c25f15d5a2787550851db06e2, 1) It means your archive isn't installed to where backuppc thinks it is. But I thought some time ago you said that you saw files with multiple links under the pool or cpool directories. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] CPOOL, PC directories and backuppc statistics generation -- moving cpool possibly?
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/18/2011 12:06 PM, Scott wrote: I am trying to figure out why my backuppc statistics are not generating (everything is basically all 0's in the status page -- see below). What version are you running? I thought that before 3.2 you had to either reinstall from the sourceforge tarball (where a part of the install script lets you set the archive location where you want it) or you had to either mount or symlink a new partition into the old location (/var/lib/backuppc, for distribution-packaged versions). There are some instructions for that here: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/backuppc/index.php?title=Change_archive_directory There is a way to edit the perl; just takes one line of edit, on the old systems and that will fix everything too. See the section Changing the name of the archive directory at this link: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/backuppc/index.php?title=Change_archive_directory#Changing_the_name_of_the_archive_directory I thought this was fixed in new releases so the perl did not need to be edited, but i am still running the old version. steve -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
Les Mikesell wrote:
Errr, if you have a windows box, type 'ntbackup -?' and note that the
help listing shows /M {backup type} with choices of nomal, copy,
differential, incremental, or daily.
Thanks, I'll try that when I've finished listening to Shostakovitch
on my Fedora laptop.
JuK is really very good ...
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Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
On 3/18/2011 12:49 PM, Joe Konecny wrote: The good answer would be a referral to the docs, or a faq or to request more info from the OP. Not like the two responses below... Obi-Wan: This isn't the backup solution you're looking for. Stormtrooper: This isn't the backup solution we're looking for. Obi-Wan: He can go about his business. Stormtrooper: You can go about your business. Obi-Wan: Move along. Stormtrooper: Move along... move along. I can't be bothered to learn or do things, either! Why doesn't somebody just make free software that does whatever I want? If you follow the thread backwards, I think you'll find that there was no question in the post where this was the response. And no possible good answer, although I thought mine was more polite. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Backup reported failed without any apparent error
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:49:11 -0700 (PDT), Long V wrote: Hi, I have BackupPC-3.2.0 running on RHEL 5.4 with perl 5.8.8 and httpd 2.2.3. I have this error in the log 2011-03-18 13:01:18 full backup started for share share 2011-03-18 13:15:00 unexpected empty share name skipped 2011-03-18 13:15:05 Backup aborted () 2011-03-18 13:15:05 Saved partial dump 0 and here's the XferLOG Errors Contents of file /build-backup/BackupPC/pc/172.16.197.235/XferLOG.0.z, modified 2011-03-18 13:15:05 (Extracting only Errors) Running: /usr/bin/smbclient 172.16.197.235\\share -U longvubackup -E -N -d 1 -c tarmode\ full -Tc - full backup started for share share Xfer PIDs are now 12147,12146 [ skipped 10773 lines ] tarExtract: Done: 0 errors, 5 filesExist, 0 sizeExist, 0 sizeExistComp, 10698 filesTotal, 12381869945 sizeTotal Backup aborted () Saving this as a partial backup, replacing the prior one (got 10698 and 10698 files versus 0) So it's not clear to me what is the error? Can someone show me how to find out what exactly is the error? Thanks, Long -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d Any chance you're out of inodes on your pool filesystem? What's the output from 'df -i'? Sorry, that's all I've got. - R. -- [__ Robert Sheldon [__ Founder, No Problem [__ Information technology support and services [__ (530) 575-0278 [__ You must be the change you wish to see in the world. -- Mahatma Gandhi -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Backup reported failed without any apparent error
On 3/18/2011 12:49 PM, Long V wrote: 2011-03-18 13:15:00 unexpected empty share name skipped Seems odd to me. Do you have any trailing characters after your real share name? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Backup reported failed without any apparent error
@ Les Mikesell There's no trailing characters after my real share name (see Running: /usr/bin/smbclient 172.16.197.235\\share -U longvubackup -E -N -d 1 -c tarmode\ full -Tc -) I haven't systematically verify all my files but for the few I did, they are all there and I can open them file (no file corruption). - Original Message From: Long V long_at_w...@yahoo.ca To: backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 2:54:36 PM Subject: Re: Backup reported failed without any apparent error Here's the output of df -i. df -i Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 241631232 1069301 2405619311% / /dev/sda1 26104 34 260701% /boot tmpfs 1017164 1 1017163 1% /dev/shm - Original Message From: Long V long_at_w...@yahoo.ca To: backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 1:49:11 PM Subject: Backup reported failed without any apparent error Hi, I have BackupPC-3.2.0 running on RHEL 5.4 with perl 5.8.8 and httpd 2.2.3. I have this error in the log 2011-03-18 13:01:18 full backup started for share share 2011-03-18 13:15:00 unexpected empty share name skipped 2011-03-18 13:15:05 Backup aborted () 2011-03-18 13:15:05 Saved partial dump 0 and here's the XferLOG Errors Contents of file /build-backup/BackupPC/pc/172.16.197.235/XferLOG.0.z, modified 2011-03-18 13:15:05 (Extracting only Errors) Running: /usr/bin/smbclient 172.16.197.235\\share -U longvubackup -E -N -d 1 -c tarmode\ full -Tc - full backup started for share share Xfer PIDs are now 12147,12146 [ skipped 10773 lines ] tarExtract: Done: 0 errors, 5 filesExist, 0 sizeExist, 0 sizeExistComp, 10698 filesTotal, 12381869945 sizeTotal Backup aborted () Saving this as a partial backup, replacing the prior one (got 10698 and 10698 files versus 0) So it's not clear to me what is the error? Can someone show me how to find out what exactly is the error? Thanks, Long -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Backup reported failed without any apparent error
Les Mikesell wrote at about 13:50:00 -0500 on Friday, March 18, 2011: On 3/18/2011 12:49 PM, Long V wrote: 2011-03-18 13:15:00 unexpected empty share name skipped Seems odd to me. Do you have any trailing characters after your real share name? I have seen that (at least with rsyncd) on a Windows machine when the letter share truly didn't exist... So check to make sure your share paths exist and are properly specified. -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Backup reported failed without any apparent error
On 3/18/2011 2:01 PM, Long V wrote: @ Les Mikesell There's no trailing characters after my real share name (see Running: /usr/bin/smbclient 172.16.197.235\\share -U longvubackup -E -N -d 1 -c tarmode\ full -Tc -) I haven't systematically verify all my files but for the few I did, they are all there and I can open them file (no file corruption). Your log looked like that run completed correctly but it thought there was another share in your configuration which may have triggered the abort. Not sure what an unexpected empty share name means, but it's probably not good. Maybe some whitespace entered by accident in the web form? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote: Timothy Murphy wrote at about 17:57:18 + on Friday, March 18, 2011: In my (very long, I started with a paper-tape machine) experience one almost always gets better advice on Windows problems from Unix/Linux gurus. Wow! I know that Windows was originally distributed on 3.5 disks and perhaps even on the larger 5 1/4 size. But I had know idea that Bill ever distributed Windows on paper tape -- given how bloatware Windows is, that must have killed a lot of trees. Were the MS forums also archived on tape too? :P The era I was referring to was long before Windows or even Unix. The first computer I used was in the Mathematical Laboratory at Cambridge, I guess in the mid-1950s. I don't think there really was an OS in the modern sense. There was a version of Fortran though, also on paper tape. The main thing was that the Lab remained warm even when there were several feet of snow in the Fens. The remarkable thing is how much serious work was done on that machine, eg the work by Swinnerton-Dyer (and Birch) on elliptic curves. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
On Friday, March 18, 2011, at 2:09:58 PM, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote: JJK (note to the humor impaired, I am just joking around in good fun) Matter of fact, the first machine that I had full system responsibility for DID boot from paper tape, but that was when BillG was still in grade school. It was a very small mainframe, and was not supposed to be a computer at all, but rather the equivalent of a serial-port card for a GE-200 system. Nevertheless, it did have full computing capability and I was running a 4-user time-shared multiprocessing system, supporting 110-baud Teletypes and IBM 2741 typewriters as terminals. And I did backup my files on paper tape, also, via a KSM-35 Teletype machine... This was all some 40 years ago, almost a decade before PCs really took off... -- Jim Kyle mailto: j...@jimkyle.com -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics
Timothy Murphy wrote at about 21:36:19 + on Friday, March 18, 2011: Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote: Timothy Murphy wrote at about 17:57:18 + on Friday, March 18, 2011: In my (very long, I started with a paper-tape machine) experience one almost always gets better advice on Windows problems from Unix/Linux gurus. Wow! I know that Windows was originally distributed on 3.5 disks and perhaps even on the larger 5 1/4 size. But I had know idea that Bill ever distributed Windows on paper tape -- given how bloatware Windows is, that must have killed a lot of trees. Were the MS forums also archived on tape too? :P The era I was referring to was long before Windows or even Unix. The first computer I used was in the Mathematical Laboratory at Cambridge, I guess in the mid-1950s. I don't think there really was an OS in the modern sense. There was a version of Fortran though, also on paper tape. The main thing was that the Lab remained warm even when there were several feet of snow in the Fens. The remarkable thing is how much serious work was done on that machine, eg the work by Swinnerton-Dyer (and Birch) on elliptic curves. I was joking! ... but interesting nonetheless... my first computer experience was on a timeshare punch cards machine learning Fortran back in junior high in the mid-70s... then on to an acoustical coupler line printer in high school... then a hobbyist semi-homebrew bare board 6502 microprocessor computer... etc... -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] BackupPC Basics [Ok now someone shoot me for OT]
On 03/18/2011 05:17 PM, Jim Kyle wrote: On Friday, March 18, 2011, at 2:09:58 PM, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote: JJK (note to the humor impaired, I am just joking around in good fun) Matter of fact, the first machine that I had full system responsibility for DID boot from paper tape, but that was when BillG was still in grade school. It was a very small mainframe, and was not supposed to be a computer at all, but rather the equivalent of a serial-port card for a GE-200 system. Nevertheless, it did have full computing capability and I was running a 4-user time-shared multiprocessing system, supporting 110-baud Teletypes and IBM 2741 typewriters as terminals. And I did backup my files on paper tape, also, via a KSM-35 Teletype machine... This was all some 40 years ago, almost a decade before PCs really took off... What did dirt look like way back then in the days before color was invented? ok back to lurking and learning... -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
