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Re: [Bacula-users] Looking for a LTO autoloader

2018-11-13 Thread Radosław Korzeniewski

Hello,

wt., 13 lis 2018 o 18:20 Dmitri Maziuk via Bacula-users <
bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net> napisał(a):

>
> The other issue is RAID-10 and mhvtl: if you do disk backup, why go
> through the extra layer of mhvtl?


Peter did not provide the answer to this question (or I miss something),
but the only reasonable response would be when mhvtl export its resources
as an iSCSI/FC tape autochanger and local Storage Daemon uses it as a
"real" tape library. So in this case the local SD store data to remote
mhvtl, so the data are protected on remote site. Any other solution
(especially SD deployed on remote site saving data to local mhvtl) is a
simple waste of resources (especially storage as Bacula never truncate
unused tape volumes but can truncate unused file volumes) as you pointed
out above.

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Re: [Bacula-users] Looking for a LTO autoloader

2018-11-13 Thread Bill Arlofski

On 11/13/2018 06:01 PM, Russell Kackley wrote:
> With regard to autoloader recommendations, we have two Quantum SuperLoader 3
> units, each with an LTO-5 tape drive. We have been using them with Bacula for
> the past six years and haven't had any problems with either unit. Based on
> that performance, I would recommend the Quantum SuperLoader 3 to anyone
> looking for an autoloader to use with Bacula.

I have had excellent luck using Bacula with the Quantum 3 SuperLoader line of
products as well. Have used LTO-3 and now LTO-7 each with two 8-tape magazines
with zero problems for quite a few years.

You beat me to the punch, Russell. :)


Best regards,

Bill

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Re: [Bacula-users] Looking for a LTO autoloader

2018-11-13 Thread Russell Kackley

With regard to autoloader recommendations, we have two Quantum SuperLoader
3 units, each with an LTO-5 tape drive. We have been using them with Bacula
for the past six years and haven't had any problems with either unit. Based
on that performance, I would recommend the Quantum SuperLoader 3 to anyone
looking for an autoloader to use with Bacula.

On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 8:57 AM Ivan Adzhubey <
iadzhu...@rics.bwh.harvard.edu> wrote:

> Hi Markus,
>
> On Monday, November 12, 2018 6:34:52 PM EST Markus Falb wrote:
> > P.S. the Qualstar Q24 looks pretty identical to the NEOs T24
> > https://www.qualstar.com/qsr-q24.php
> > Does anyone know what the differences are?
>
> We are considering buying Q24 autochanger from Qualstar, the one that
> looks
> identical to the model you found. I was on the phone with Qualstar
> representative couple weeks ago. They claim their model is fully
> compatible
> with Linux/mtx, so it should be possible to operate under Bacula control.
> Of
> course, there might be specific firmware quirks or bugs, I guess no way to
> know until you try installing it. Yes, Q24 and T24 specs look pretty much
> identical. I assume they are both manufactured at the same factory in
> China,
> just like everything else these days.
>
> We've been using Qualstar autochangers (various models) for the last 20
> years
> with no issues. Each model was very reliable, built as a tank and required
> no
> maintenance. We've been using Bacula with Qualstar libraries since 2003.
> No
> compatibility problems whatsoever. Our current system is TLS-8466 which
> uses
> IBM half-height LTO-5 SAS drives and SCSI controller card. Has been in use
> for
> the last 6 years and runs very smoothly, no issues. No longer manufactured
> and
> cannot be upgraded unfortunately.
>
> Note, I am not associated with Qualstar in any way, just happen to be a
> happy
> customer. Not sure if their current offerings are of the same build
> quality.
>
> Please, share your experience with T24/Q24 if you will be able to try them
> out. We are too very interested in confirming Bacula compatibility.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan
>
>
> --
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Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula-Web 8.1.0 release

2018-11-13 Thread Chris Wilkinson

Is the Directory spec below correct in the install instructions?

Debian / Ubuntu

$ sudo vim /etc/apache2/conf-available/bacula-web.conf

with the content below


  AllowOverride All

The archive was extracted to /var/www/bacula-web in a previous step. The
above appears to be the Centos location.

root@HS:/var/www/bacula-web# ls
application  bwc  console  console.php  core  docs  index.php  LICENSE
README.md  vendor
root@HS:/var/www/bacula-web#

Regards
Chris Wilkinson

On Sat, 10 Nov 2018, 11:01 a.m. Davide Franco  Hi Chris,
>
> You should download again the archive as the one you downloaded yesterday
> is broken.
>
> You’re right about the curl command, I’ve noticed the same issue in the
> documentation which needs to be fixed.
>
> A bug report is already created here
> https://bugs.bacula-web.org/view.php?id=273
>
> Hope it helps others as well :)
>
> Best regards
>
> Davide
>
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 at 11:41, Chris Wilkinson 
> wrote:
>
>> I downloaded bacula-web-latest.tgz yesterday. Has it changed since then?
>>
>> I had trouble with the curl -o command but got it with wget instead. CURL
>> just downloaded ~370 bytes.
>>
>> I'll install sqlite and try again.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Chris Wilkinson
>>
>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2018, 9:17 a.m. Davide Franco >
>>> Hello Chris,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your feedback
>>>
>>> I can't explain this error "Could not open input file: bwc", maybe
>>> you're using the first Bacula-Web 8.1.0 archive which was broken.
>>>
>>> Please make sure you're using latest archive (release process had issue
>>> with last version, sorry for that).
>>> You can download latest Bacula-Web version from here
>>> https://www.bacula-web.org/download/bacula-web-latest.tgz
>>>
>>> Important: As mentioned in the documentation, PHP SQLite is required
>>> since version 8.0.0-RC2
>>>
>>> http://docs.bacula-web.org/en/v8.1.0/02_install/requirements.html#install-requirements
>>>
>>> Hope it helps
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Davide
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 10:09 AM Chris Wilkinson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I got trouble when I tried the similar command in the user creation
 install instructions: (Debian/Apache2). The result was:

 root@HS:/var/www/bacula-web# sudo -u www-data php bwc setupauth
 Could not open input file: bwc
 root@HS:/var/www/bacula-web#

 What is this command doing?

 The instructions seem to infer that SQLite is required. I use MySql for
 the database and so don't have SQLite installed.

 Regards
 Chris Wilkinson


 On Sat, 10 Nov 2018, 7:55 a.m. Davide Franco >>>
> Hello Maciolek,
>
> Can you run the console command below and provide me the output please
> ?
>
> Debian / Ubuntu
> $ sudo -u www-data php bwc check
>
> RedHat / Centos / Fedora
> $ sudo -u apache2 php bwc check
>
> Thanks for your feedback
>
> Davide
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 3:04 PM Maciolek, Mark 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> Followed the upgrade instructions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Neither main page or test page work
>>
>>
>>
>> *Problem: *Bad ownership / permissions for protected assets folder
>> (application/assets/protected)
>>
>>
>>
>> drwxr-xr-x 2 www-data www-data 4096 Nov  9 08:42 protected
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure what to try next.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> --Mark Maciolek
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>> Morse Hall Rm 338
>>
>> http://www.unh.edu/research/support-units/research-computing-center
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Davide Franco 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 8, 2018 1:21 AM
>> *To:* bacula-users 
>> *Subject:* [Bacula-users] Bacula-Web 8.1.0 release
>>
>>
>>
>> *Caution - External Email*
>> --
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I'm pleased to inform you that Bacula-Web 8.1.0 is available from
>> now.
>>
>> This version Include 3 new features and 7 bug fixes
>>
>>
>>
>> The release notes is available here
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> *https://www.bacula-web.org/2018/11/07/bacula-web-8-1-0/
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>> As this version introduce important changes, please read carefully
>> the documentation
>>
>> http://docs.bacula-web.org/

Re: [Bacula-users] Looking for a LTO autoloader

2018-11-13 Thread Ivan Adzhubey

Hi Markus,

On Monday, November 12, 2018 6:34:52 PM EST Markus Falb wrote:
> P.S. the Qualstar Q24 looks pretty identical to the NEOs T24
> https://www.qualstar.com/qsr-q24.php
> Does anyone know what the differences are?

We are considering buying Q24 autochanger from Qualstar, the one that looks 
identical to the model you found. I was on the phone with Qualstar 
representative couple weeks ago. They claim their model is fully compatible 
with Linux/mtx, so it should be possible to operate under Bacula control. Of 
course, there might be specific firmware quirks or bugs, I guess no way to 
know until you try installing it. Yes, Q24 and T24 specs look pretty much 
identical. I assume they are both manufactured at the same factory in China, 
just like everything else these days.

We've been using Qualstar autochangers (various models) for the last 20 years 
with no issues. Each model was very reliable, built as a tank and required no 
maintenance. We've been using Bacula with Qualstar libraries since 2003. No 
compatibility problems whatsoever. Our current system is TLS-8466 which uses 
IBM half-height LTO-5 SAS drives and SCSI controller card. Has been in use for 
the last 6 years and runs very smoothly, no issues. No longer manufactured and 
cannot be upgraded unfortunately.

Note, I am not associated with Qualstar in any way, just happen to be a happy 
customer. Not sure if their current offerings are of the same build quality.

Please, share your experience with T24/Q24 if you will be able to try them 
out. We are too very interested in confirming Bacula compatibility.

Thanks,
Ivan

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Brigham & Women's Hospital
Harvard Medical School
New Research Building, Room 0464C
77 Avenue Louis Pasteur
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tel.: (617) 525-4728
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Re: [Bacula-users] Looking for a LTO autoloader

2018-11-13 Thread Dmitri Maziuk via Bacula-users

On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 18:42:42 +0100
Peter Milesson  wrote:

> The backup station is a Linux based rig with CentOS 7.5. I'm not 
> completely convinced about the ZFS support under CentOS.

Well I'm not convinced about ZFS support under Linux in general but I'm not 
quite ready to switch to BSD just yet... However Lennartware is helping: I'm 
only deploying Centos 6 on servers now -- though our backup host is from back 
before that decision so it's still running 7.latest. 

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Re: [Bacula-users] Looking for a LTO autoloader

2018-11-13 Thread Peter Milesson





On 13.11.2018 18:15, Dmitri Maziuk via Bacula-users wrote:

On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 09:47:32 -0500
Josh Fisher  wrote:


On 11/13/2018 5:38 AM, Peter Milesson wrote:

Hi Markus,

I know my suggestion isn't concerning autoloaders, but it's a safe and
working alternative to tapes (and all the hassles).

I setup a dedicated backup station with 13TB of RAID10 storage. It's
placed in a different location from the servers, and connected to the
network backbone with a 10Gbit/s link. It's running CentOS 7.5, and
utilizing the mhvtl virtual tape library. It's working very smoothly,
and reliably. The cost of building the rig, running, and
administration is quite on the plus side compared to tapes (been
there, done that).


I cannot see how the cost is lower. A 10G link to another location is
extremely expensive in my area. I see the same problem with using cloud
storage, S3, etc. The cost of the mhvtl rig or S3 storage is not the
issue, but rather the ongoing cost of the bandwidth required to transfer
the data in a timely manner. It may be different elsewhere, but in my
area the bandwidth is far more expensive than tapes.

Do you need a 10G link though? -- For the amounts I'm backing up here 1G works 
fine.

The other issue is RAID-10 and mhvtl: if you do disk backup, why go through the 
extra layer of mhvtl? And not use ZFS -- I just finished replacing 4TB drives 
w/ 8TB ones in our server, with no downtime.


Hi Dmitri,

Using a standard 1G link posed a bottleneck during the monthly full 
backup session of several servers. 10Gbit NICs are readily available and 
not very expensive. Measuring the throughput, it's around 2,5 Gbit/s 
when backing up Linux servers. For some reason Windows servers seem to 
be much slower (OS overhead?). Most of the data is on Linux servers, so 
it really paid off.


The backup station is a Linux based rig with CentOS 7.5. I'm not 
completely convinced about the ZFS support under CentOS. Don't want to 
experiment too much with valuable data. And the mhvtl is just to keep 
compatibility with tapes. I'm familiar with that, and more or less 
copied the configuration when I switched hardware. It works, and works 
well (don't touch something that works).


Best regards,

Peter


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Re: [Bacula-users] Looking for a LTO autoloader

2018-11-13 Thread Dmitri Maziuk via Bacula-users

On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 09:47:32 -0500
Josh Fisher  wrote:

> 
> On 11/13/2018 5:38 AM, Peter Milesson wrote:
> > Hi Markus,
> >
> > I know my suggestion isn't concerning autoloaders, but it's a safe and 
> > working alternative to tapes (and all the hassles).
> >
> > I setup a dedicated backup station with 13TB of RAID10 storage. It's 
> > placed in a different location from the servers, and connected to the 
> > network backbone with a 10Gbit/s link. It's running CentOS 7.5, and 
> > utilizing the mhvtl virtual tape library. It's working very smoothly, 
> > and reliably. The cost of building the rig, running, and 
> > administration is quite on the plus side compared to tapes (been 
> > there, done that).
> 
> 
> I cannot see how the cost is lower. A 10G link to another location is 
> extremely expensive in my area. I see the same problem with using cloud 
> storage, S3, etc. The cost of the mhvtl rig or S3 storage is not the 
> issue, but rather the ongoing cost of the bandwidth required to transfer 
> the data in a timely manner. It may be different elsewhere, but in my 
> area the bandwidth is far more expensive than tapes.

Do you need a 10G link though? -- For the amounts I'm backing up here 1G works 
fine.

The other issue is RAID-10 and mhvtl: if you do disk backup, why go through the 
extra layer of mhvtl? And not use ZFS -- I just finished replacing 4TB drives 
w/ 8TB ones in our server, with no downtime.

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Re: [Bacula-users] Looking for a LTO autoloader

2018-11-13 Thread Peter Milesson

Hi Josh,

The link already exists, connecting two different locations within the
company. No extra cost there. If your company has got 2 buildings
connected physically, it's a nice and efficient solution.

I have used tapes for many years with Bacula previously. It was working,
but not very efficient.

Best regards,

Peter

On 13.11.2018 15:47, Josh Fisher wrote:

On 11/13/2018 5:38 AM, Peter Milesson wrote:

Hi Markus,

I know my suggestion isn't concerning autoloaders, but it's a safe
and working alternative to tapes (and all the hassles).

I setup a dedicated backup station with 13TB of RAID10 storage. It's
placed in a different location from the servers, and connected to the
network backbone with a 10Gbit/s link. It's running CentOS 7.5, and
utilizing the mhvtl virtual tape library. It's working very smoothly,
and reliably. The cost of building the rig, running, and
administration is quite on the plus side compared to tapes (been
there, done that).

I cannot see how the cost is lower. A 10G link to another location is
extremely expensive in my area. I see the same problem with using
cloud storage, S3, etc. The cost of the mhvtl rig or S3 storage is not
the issue, but rather the ongoing cost of the bandwidth required to
transfer the data in a timely manner. It may be different elsewhere,
but in my area the bandwidth is far more expensive than tapes.

Just my five cents.

Best regards,

Peter

On 13.11.2018 0:34, Markus Falb wrote:

Hello,
I am considering a purchase of a relatively small autoloader, but am
not sure about compatibility with bacula.

I found this one:
https://www.overlandstorage.com/products/tape-libraries-and-autoloaders/neos-t24.aspx#Overview

If anyone on this list has experiences with this autoloader +
bacula, please let me know.

I does know there is a "supported" list in the documentation
http://www.bacula.org/9.2.x-manuals/en/main/Supported_Autochangers.html
but don't know how comprehensive it is, there are some Overland
models listed, but not this specific model (There doesn't exist a
"not supported" list, does it? )

Also, suggestions (or dis-recommendations) for other autoloaders are
appreciated, of course.

Best Regards, Markus

P.S. the Qualstar Q24 looks pretty identical to the NEOs T24
https://www.qualstar.com/qsr-q24.php
Does anyone know what the differences are?

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Re: [Bacula-users] Looking for a LTO autoloader

2018-11-13 Thread Josh Fisher

On 11/13/2018 5:38 AM, Peter Milesson wrote:

Hi Markus,

I know my suggestion isn't concerning autoloaders, but it's a safe and
working alternative to tapes (and all the hassles).

I cannot see how the cost is lower. A 10G link to another location is
extremely expensive in my area. I see the same problem with using cloud
storage, S3, etc. The cost of the mhvtl rig or S3 storage is not the
issue, but rather the ongoing cost of the bandwidth required to transfer
the data in a timely manner. It may be different elsewhere, but in my
area the bandwidth is far more expensive than tapes.

Just my five cents.

Best regards,

Peter

On 13.11.2018 0:34, Markus Falb wrote:

Hello,
I am considering a purchase of a relatively small autoloader, but am
not sure about compatibility with bacula.

I found this one:
https://www.overlandstorage.com/products/tape-libraries-and-autoloaders/neos-t24.aspx#Overview

If anyone on this list has experiences with this autoloader + bacula,
please let me know.

Also, suggestions (or dis-recommendations) for other autoloaders are
appreciated, of course.

Best Regards, Markus

P.S. the Qualstar Q24 looks pretty identical to the NEOs T24
https://www.qualstar.com/qsr-q24.php
Does anyone know what the differences are?

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Re: [Bacula-users] Looking for a LTO autoloader

2018-11-13 Thread Peter Milesson

Hi Markus,

I know my suggestion isn't concerning autoloaders, but it's a safe and
working alternative to tapes (and all the hassles).

I setup a dedicated backup station with 13TB of RAID10 storage. It's
placed in a different location from the servers, and connected to the
network backbone with a 10Gbit/s link. It's running CentOS 7.5, and
utilizing the mhvtl virtual tape library. It's working very smoothly,
and reliably. The cost of building the rig, running, and administration
is quite on the plus side compared to tapes (been there, done that).

Just my five cents.

Best regards,

Peter

On 13.11.2018 0:34, Markus Falb wrote:

Hello,
I am considering a purchase of a relatively small autoloader, but am
not sure about compatibility with bacula.

I found this one:
https://www.overlandstorage.com/products/tape-libraries-and-autoloaders/neos-t24.aspx#Overview

If anyone on this list has experiences with this autoloader + bacula,
please let me know.

I does know there is a "supported" list in the documentation
http://www.bacula.org/9.2.x-manuals/en/main/Supported_Autochangers.html
but don't know how comprehensive it is, there are some Overland models
listed, but not this specific model (There doesn't exist a "not
supported" list, does it? )

Also, suggestions (or dis-recommendations) for other autoloaders are
appreciated, of course.

Best Regards, Markus

P.S. the Qualstar Q24 looks pretty identical to the NEOs T24
https://www.qualstar.com/qsr-q24.php
Does anyone know what the differences are?

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Re: [Bacula-users] Looking for a LTO autoloader

2018-11-13 Thread Kern Sibbald


  
  
Hello,

I had a dual drive Overland autoloader, which worked absolutely
perfectly -- except it was an old DDS (?) loader and I needed to
move to a LTO, so then I got a Tanberg LTO-2 (I forget the exact
number) loader.  The first one that came from the factory didn't
work, so I sent it back.  The second one came but they did not send
the rails I had bought (so I had to buy them locally).  It worked
for a short period, but then failed because the picker could not
remove the cassette from the drive.

Currently I have a Sun StorageTek (I think).  All my autoloaders
have always worked; they have functioned perfectly -- except for
one: the one built by Tanberg.  Unfortunately, I do not know what is
really in the Neo you are looking at.  If it is Overland design and
built, it will be reliable, if Tanberg have gotten their hands into
it, I would never even consider it (though they may have improved
their technology).

Best regards,
Kern

On 11/13/18 12:34 AM, Markus Falb
  wrote:


  
  

  

  

  

  Hello,
  I am considering a purchase of a
relatively small autoloader, but am not sure
about compatibility with bacula.
  
  
  
  I found this one:
  https://www.overlandstorage.com/products/tape-libraries-and-autoloaders/neos-t24.aspx#Overview
  
  
  
  If anyone on this list has experiences with
this autoloader + bacula, please let me know.
  


I does know there is a "supported" list in
  the documentation
http://www.bacula.org/9.2.x-manuals/en/main/Supported_Autochangers.html

but don't know how comprehensive it is,
  there are some Overland models listed, but not
  this specific model (There doesn't exist a
  "not supported" list, does it? )


Also, suggestions (or dis-recommendations)
  for other autoloaders are appreciated, of
  course.


Best Regards, Markus


P.S. the Qualstar Q24 looks pretty
  identical to the NEOs T24
https://www.qualstar.com/qsr-q24.php
Does anyone know what the differences are?







  
  











  

  

  

  

  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Bacula-users] Looking for a LTO autoloader

2018-11-13 Thread Pedro Oliveira

Hi Markus

Almost any Autoloader that is compatible with Linux is compatible with
Bacula.



Markus Falb  escreveu no dia segunda, 12/11/2018 à(s)
23:40:

> Hello,
> I am considering a purchase of a relatively small autoloader, but am not
> sure about compatibility with bacula.
>
> I found this one:
>
> https://www.overlandstorage.com/products/tape-libraries-and-autoloaders/neos-t24.aspx#Overview
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> If anyone on this list has experiences with this autoloader + bacula,
> please let me know.
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> I does know there is a "supported" list in the documentation
> http://www.bacula.org/9.2.x-manuals/en/main/Supported_Autochangers.html
> but don't know how comprehensive it is, there are some Overland models
> listed, but not this specific model (There doesn't exist a "not supported"
> list, does it? )
>
> Also, suggestions (or dis-recommendations) for other autoloaders are
> appreciated, of course.
>
> Best Regards, Markus
>
> P.S. the Qualstar Q24 looks pretty identical to the NEOs T24
> https://www.qualstar.com/qsr-q24.php
> Does anyone know what the differences are?
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