Re: [Bacula-users] BAT Installation

[Bill Arlofski via Bacula-users]

On 2/2/24 09:35, Phil Stracchino wrote:


BAT still does everything I want a Bacula console to do.  The things
that it does NOT do, like configuration, I don't WANT it to; I want to
do those myself, by hand, using a proper editor.


Hi Phil!

You sound like one of the customers of mine I mentioned. :)



To be truthful, I detest the "Everything is a web page/application"
model.


I never liked this either.



I will note that there are a few known bugs in BAT, notably that some
purge operations can produce *multiple* simultaneous pop-up confirmation
alerts that can be confusing.


My experience with BAT over the many years I have been using Bacula has been... let's just say "poor", with BAT randomly just 
hanging for no apparent reason, requiring me to kill and restart it so often I just gave up.


Of course this is my experience, on several platforms, over several versions in 
several of my customers' environments.

I do everything from the command l
ine and avoid Web GUIs at all costs - which does not say anything about the quality nor 
capabilities of them, just more about my abhorrence to Web GUIs in general.   :)



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Re: [Bacula-users] BAT Installation

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On 2/2/24 08:53, Heitor Faria wrote:

"*Having said that, years ago, I had customers that LOVE LOVE LOVED BAT, and 
would not move away from it even at my urging, so
there is one reason, I guess. :)"

Frankly, I never understood this community's urge to regularly create "one more Bacula GUI", instead of just fixing and 
improve the state-of-art.
IMHO bacula.org  should adopt and sponsor BAT and Bacularis/Baculum GUIs development, get people together, 
integrate bacula-web features and organize this mess.


Rgds.



Hello Heitor!


I can't say I disagree with this idea.

Imagine a fully-functional BAT? Able to do configuration too? All the bugs 
fixed?


So, any volunteers?  :)


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Re: [Bacula-users] BAT Installation

[Davide F. via Bacula-users]

Hi,

Completely agree regarding Baculum and Bacularis, which are really great
projects giving “almost” full controls on Bacula.

Really sad to know BAT isn’t maintained anymore.

Regarding last Heitor’s comment, sorry but I somehow disagree, and the
reason is not because I’m maintaining Bacula-Web project since 2010.

Simple reason, leave community users the freedom to choose whatever tool
they want to use with Bacula. Text based, web based, etc. It doesn’t
matter, it’s each community user choice in the end.
Simple principle of GNU and open source.

Btw, I have a list of non official GUI tool for Bacula, and some are still
maintained. Including webacula fork which is available on GitHub ;)

Best,

Davide

On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 at 16:54 Heitor Faria  wrote:

> "*Having said that, years ago, I had customers that LOVE LOVE LOVED BAT,
> and would not move away from it even at my urging, so
> there is one reason, I guess. :)"
>
> Frankly, I never understood this community's urge to regularly create "one
> more Bacula GUI", instead of just fixing and improve the state-of-art.
> IMHO bacula.org should adopt and sponsor BAT and Bacularis/Baculum GUIs
> development, get people together, integrate bacula-web features and
> organize this mess.
>
> Rgds.
>
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> On Feb 2, 2024, at 10:32 AM, Bill Arlofski via Bacula-users <
> bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>
>> On 2/2/24 05:48, Rob Gerber wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  As far as I know, BAT is available only with enterprise bacula.
>>>
>>
>> Hello Rob, (and Howard Viccars),
>>
>> BAT (Bacula Administration Tool) is a long-unmaintained QT graphical 
>> interface to 'manage' Bacula and is available in Community.
>>
>> I say 'manage' because BAT is more like BMT (Bacula Management Tool) since 
>> you cannot configure anything using BAT, you can
>> only start, stop, monitor jobs and view information about your system 
>> (Clients, Jobs, Pools, Media, etc) just like with
>> bconsole. :)
>>
>>
>>  I believe your choices with regard to bacula community are baculum, 
>> bacularis, and bacula-web.
>>>
>>>  Bacularis is a friendly fork of baculum, and is the better maintained 
>>> package. Developer is on this list.
>>>
>>>  Bacula-web - I have not tested it, but I hear it provides good reporting, 
>>> but no active control. Developer is on this list.
>>>
>>
>> All good information.
>>
>> And I would strongly urge to move away from BAT in favor of Bacularis (for 
>> example).
>>
>>
>> Bacularis, unlike BAT allows you to configure every aspect of your Bacula 
>> environment, and as Rob mentioned, Marcin Haba, a
>> Bacula Systems employee maintains it as an open-source and free tool, and he 
>> is quite active and helpful on this list. :)
>>
>> Bottom line: Abandon BAT. It has not received any love in a very long time, 
>> and quite frankly I am sure it will not. It did
>> what it was designed to do, but now that we have some very powerful web gui 
>> administration tools, there is no reason not to
>> abandon it.* (Just my two cents)
>>
>> *Having said that, years ago, I had customers that LOVE LOVE LOVED BAT, and 
>> would not move away from it even at my urging, so
>> there is one reason, I guess. :)
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Bill
>>
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Re: [Bacula-users] BAT Installation

[Phil Stracchino]

On 2/2/24 10:25, Bill Arlofski via Bacula-users wrote:


All good information.

And I would strongly urge to move away from BAT in favor of Bacularis (for 
example).


Bacularis, unlike BAT allows you to configure every aspect of your Bacula 
environment, and as Rob mentioned, Marcin Haba, a
Bacula Systems employee maintains it as an open-source and free tool, and he is 
quite active and helpful on this list. :)

Bottom line: Abandon BAT. It has not received any love in a very long time, and 
quite frankly I am sure it will not. It did
what it was designed to do, but now that we have some very powerful web gui 
administration tools, there is no reason not to
abandon it.* (Just my two cents)

*Having said that, years ago, I had customers that LOVE LOVE LOVED BAT, and 
would not move away from it even at my urging, so
there is one reason, I guess. :)



BAT still does everything I want a Bacula console to do.  The things 
that it does NOT do, like configuration, I don't WANT it to; I want to 
do those myself, by hand, using a proper editor.


To be truthful, I detest the "Everything is a web page/application" 
model.  I have not, to be fair, tried either Baculum or Bacularis, but 
my general experience is that web-based applications tend to be 
uniformly awful.  Especially web-based admin interfaces.
For example, I briefly tried to deploy a QNAP NAS that used a web admin 
interface, and there were basic security functions that you simply 
*COULD NOT DO* via the admin GUI.  It was not merely hidden, it was 
*impossible*.  Webmin, cpanel, ... uniformly ghastly.


Your mileage may of course vary.

I will note that there are a few known bugs in BAT, notably that some 
purge operations can produce *multiple* simultaneous pop-up confirmation 
alerts that can be confusing.




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Re: [Bacula-users] BAT Installation

[Phil Stracchino]

On 2/2/24 10:53, Heitor Faria wrote:
Frankly, I never understood this community's urge to regularly create 
"one more Bacula GUI", instead of just fixing and improve the state-of-art.
IMHO bacula.org  should adopt and sponsor BAT and 
Bacularis/Baculum GUIs development, get people together, integrate 
bacula-web features and organize this mess.


Rgds.



I frankly agree with Heitor here.  BAT Just Works, isn't subject to 
browser compatibility issues, and doesn't suffer any of the broken 
interface behaviors that come as part and parcel of web applications. 
It does have a few minor bugs that should be fixed, but even those it 
has do not stop it from working.


This isn't to say that a web interface for Bacula *monitoring* is 
necessarily a bad idea.



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[Bacula-users] Bacula BPIPE help

[Ismael Matos]

Hello everyone,

I've been spending time trying to make BPIPE work for me to take backup of
a few postgres databases.  So far, it seems, not enough time, so success is
still away from me.  I've already tried the FIFO file approach and gave up.

Backup works perfectly when I use pg_dump to a /tmp/ directory, but I'd
rather skip creating those intermediate files, as the databases are growing
faster than expected.

I believe some of you out there have been using the BPIPE approach with the
postgres databases.

May I ask you to send the relevant snippets of shell script and
bacula-dir/bacula-fd config files?

Many thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Ismael
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Re: [Bacula-users] BAT Installation

[Heitor Faria]

"*Having said that, years ago, I had customers that LOVE LOVE LOVED BAT, and would not move away from it even at my urging, so 
there is one reason, I guess. :)"
Frankly, I never understood this community's urge to regularly create "one more Bacula GUI", instead of just fixing and improve the state-of-art.
IMHO bacula.org should adopt and sponsor BAT and Bacularis/Baculum GUIs development, get people together, integrate bacula-web features and organize this mess.
Rgds.
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On Feb 2, 2024, at 10:32 AM, Bill Arlofski via Bacula-users  wrote:
On 2/2/24 05:48, Rob Gerber wrote: As far as I know, BAT is available only with enterprise bacula.Hello Rob, (and Howard Viccars),BAT (Bacula Administration Tool) is a long-unmaintained QT graphical interface to 'manage' Bacula and is available in Community.I say 'manage' because BAT is more like BMT (Bacula Management Tool) since you cannot configure anything using BAT, you can only start, stop, monitor jobs and view information about your system (Clients, Jobs, Pools, Media, etc) just like with bconsole. :) I believe your choices with regard to bacula community are baculum, bacularis, and bacula-web.  Bacularis is a friendly fork of baculum, and is the better maintained package. Developer is on this list.  Bacula-web - I have not tested it, but I hear it provides good reporting, but no active control. Developer is on this list.All good information.And I would strongly urge to move away from BAT in favor of Bacularis (for example).Bacularis, unlike BAT allows you to configure every aspect of your Bacula environment, and as Rob mentioned, Marcin Haba, a Bacula Systems employee maintains it as an open-source and free tool, and he is quite active and helpful on this list. :)Bottom line: Abandon BAT. It has not received any love in a very long time, and quite frankly I am sure it will not. It did what it was designed to do, but now that we have some very powerful web gui administration tools, there is no reason not to abandon it.* (Just my two cents)*Having said that, years ago, I had customers that LOVE LOVE LOVED BAT, and would not move away from it even at my urging, so there is one reason, I guess. :)Best regards,Bill___
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Re: [Bacula-users] BAT Installation

[Bill Arlofski via Bacula-users]

On 2/2/24 05:48, Rob Gerber wrote:
>

As far as I know, BAT is available only with enterprise bacula.


Hello Rob, (and Howard Viccars),

BAT (Bacula Administration Tool) is a long-unmaintained QT graphical interface 
to 'manage' Bacula and is available in Community.

I say 'manage' because BAT is more like BMT (Bacula Management Tool) since you cannot configure anything using BAT, you can 
only start, stop, monitor jobs and view information about your system (Clients, Jobs, Pools, Media, etc) just like with 
bconsole. :)




I believe your choices with regard to bacula community are baculum, bacularis, 
and bacula-web.

Bacularis is a friendly fork of baculum, and is the better maintained package. 
Developer is on this list.

Bacula-web - I have not tested it, but I hear it provides good reporting, but 
no active control. Developer is on this list.


All good information.

And I would strongly urge to move away from BAT in favor of Bacularis (for 
example).


Bacularis, unlike BAT allows you to configure every aspect of your Bacula environment, and as Rob mentioned, Marcin Haba, a 
Bacula Systems employee maintains it as an open-source and free tool, and he is quite active and helpful on this list. :)


Bottom line: Abandon BAT. It has not received any love in a very long time, and quite frankly I am sure it will not. It did 
what it was designed to do, but now that we have some very powerful web gui administration tools, there is no reason not to 
abandon it.* (Just my two cents)


*Having said that, years ago, I had customers that LOVE LOVE LOVED BAT, and would not move away from it even at my urging, so 
there is one reason, I guess. :)



Best regards,
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Re: [Bacula-users] BAT Installation

[Rob Gerber]

As far as I know, BAT is available only with enterprise bacula.

I believe your choices with regard to bacula community are baculum,
bacularis, and bacula-web.

Bacularis is a friendly fork of baculum, and is the better maintained
package. Developer is on this list.

Bacula-web - I have not tested it, but I hear it provides good reporting,
but no active control. Developer is on this list.

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On Fri, Feb 2, 2024, 1:49 AM  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am working off the attached set of instructions for installing Bacula.
> This was obtained from this :
> https://www.bacula.org/packages/x/debs/13.0.3/dists/jammy/main/binary-amd64/INSTALL
> where x was the code sent to me.
>
>
>
> According to this document I should be able to install Bacula
> Administration Tool (BAT) by entering: apt-get install bacula-bat. This
> doesn’t work.
>
>
>
> This is for a server being used for development. It is running Ubuntu
> 22.04.3 LTS on a Dell Optiplex 990 with MySQL, Apache and PHP. Gnome is
> installed.
>
>
>
> The Bacula director version is: Version 13.0.3 (02 May 2023)
> x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-bacula-eneterprise unbuntu 22.04
>
>
>
> although I thought I was running the free community version. The catalog
> database server is MySQL.
>
>
>
> Ubuntu and Bacula are up to date.
>
>
>
> The entry for Bacula in the apt source list is: deb
> https://www.bacula.org/packages/X/debs/13.0.3 jammy main. This is
> taken from the document.
>
>
>
> I had installed Bacularis, but it has been removed. The reason I removed
> it is that I didn’t want to give Apache/PHP access to the backup directory.
>
>
>
> Is BAT still available with the community version and, if so, how do I get
> it installed? I can provide more configuration details if necessary.
>
>
>
> I’d appreciate any help you can provide.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Howard Viccars
>
>
>
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