Re: [Bacula-users] Offsite Backup

2013-11-13 Thread Willi Fehler
Hi Gary,

thank you for your feedback.

The destination server has a different directory structure. And it's not
so easy to mount the directory in the same way.

source: /backup/bacula/
destination: /Backup/... (should be our offsite server)

Should I create a symlink?

The next question. On the destination server I need to exclude the jobs
to prevent errors on the director? I only need one file
daemon(localhost) to restore the files from backup?

Regards - Willi


Am 12.11.2013 16:29, schrieb Gary Dale:
 On 12/11/13 09:20 AM, Willi Fehler wrote:
 Hello,

 we want to copy the data of our main Bacula-Server to a addiontal Server
 outside of our main datacenter in case the datacenter is down and we
 still want to able to restore files.

 Both Servers are running Debian 6.0 and MySQL as . At the moment Bacula
 is only installed on the Server inside our datacenter. Which
 possibilities do I have?

 Use rsync to keep the files in /etc/bacula/ and my backup directory
 up2date and create a mysqldump and restore it every night on the offsite
 backup server?

 Regards - Willi

 Since you want to be able to restore files using the additional server, 
 I'd suggest rsync run after the backups to copy just the changed data. 
 Make sure that the catalogue is included in the backups.
 
 Also, install bacula on the additional server to verify that you can 
 actually restore files.
 
 
 
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[Bacula-users] Offsite Backup

2013-11-12 Thread Willi Fehler
Hello,

we want to copy the data of our main Bacula-Server to a addiontal Server
outside of our main datacenter in case the datacenter is down and we
still want to able to restore files.

Both Servers are running Debian 6.0 and MySQL as . At the moment Bacula
is only installed on the Server inside our datacenter. Which
possibilities do I have?

Use rsync to keep the files in /etc/bacula/ and my backup directory
up2date and create a mysqldump and restore it every night on the offsite
backup server?

Regards - Willi

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Re: [Bacula-users] Offsite Backup

2013-11-12 Thread Gary Dale
On 12/11/13 09:20 AM, Willi Fehler wrote:
 Hello,

 we want to copy the data of our main Bacula-Server to a addiontal Server
 outside of our main datacenter in case the datacenter is down and we
 still want to able to restore files.

 Both Servers are running Debian 6.0 and MySQL as . At the moment Bacula
 is only installed on the Server inside our datacenter. Which
 possibilities do I have?

 Use rsync to keep the files in /etc/bacula/ and my backup directory
 up2date and create a mysqldump and restore it every night on the offsite
 backup server?

 Regards - Willi

Since you want to be able to restore files using the additional server, 
I'd suggest rsync run after the backups to copy just the changed data. 
Make sure that the catalogue is included in the backups.

Also, install bacula on the additional server to verify that you can 
actually restore files.



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Re: [Bacula-users] offsite backup

2010-08-07 Thread Jon Schewe
 On 8/6/10 12:12 PM, John Drescher wrote:
 I have a new bacula running and am wondering what do you recommend for an 
 offsite backup, adding it to the current local storage.

 I was told by management that they dont want to worry if their servers get 
 stolen.

 I recommend a tape archive and a suitable container that you can
 physically take the tapes offsite. However you probably are using
 disk.

 You could put a SD on a remote site if you want. You could also rsync
 your storage volumes nightly. Both of these are highly dependent on
 how much bandwith you have and how much your data changes per day.

If you're considering a network option like this, I would strongly
recommend using the rsync over a remote SD. I found that bacula doesn't
retry on network errors, so if you have a long backup running offsite
and then your ISP drops for a minute you loose, where as you can pretty
easily have rsync do a retry and pickup where it left off.

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Re: [Bacula-users] offsite backup

2010-08-07 Thread John Drescher
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Jon Schewe jpsch...@mtu.net wrote:
  On 8/6/10 12:12 PM, John Drescher wrote:
 I have a new bacula running and am wondering what do you recommend for an 
 offsite backup, adding it to the current local storage.

 I was told by management that they dont want to worry if their servers get 
 stolen.

 I recommend a tape archive and a suitable container that you can
 physically take the tapes offsite. However you probably are using
 disk.

 You could put a SD on a remote site if you want. You could also rsync
 your storage volumes nightly. Both of these are highly dependent on
 how much bandwith you have and how much your data changes per day.

 If you're considering a network option like this, I would strongly
 recommend using the rsync over a remote SD. I found that bacula doesn't
 retry on network errors, so if you have a long backup running offsite
 and then your ISP drops for a minute you loose, where as you can pretty
 easily have rsync do a retry and pickup where it left off.


Agreed. I recommend the rsync method over a remote SD for this and
other reasons.

John

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[Bacula-users] offsite backup

2010-08-06 Thread pedro noticioso
Hi guys

I have a new bacula running and am wondering what do you recommend for an 
offsite backup, adding it to the current local storage.

I was told by management that they dont want to worry if their servers get 
stolen.

thanks!




  

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Re: [Bacula-users] offsite backup

2010-08-06 Thread John Drescher
 I have a new bacula running and am wondering what do you recommend for an 
 offsite backup, adding it to the current local storage.

 I was told by management that they dont want to worry if their servers get 
 stolen.


I recommend a tape archive and a suitable container that you can
physically take the tapes offsite. However you probably are using
disk.

You could put a SD on a remote site if you want. You could also rsync
your storage volumes nightly. Both of these are highly dependent on
how much bandwith you have and how much your data changes per day.

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Re: [Bacula-users] Offsite backup solution

2009-02-18 Thread Arno Lehmann
Hi,

18.02.2009 04:46, Jeff Dickens wrote:
 It was a couple of years ago I first brought this up.  I guess you and I 
 are the only one who would find a cross-sd migration/copy useful.

I doubt that... I'd definitely find this interesting and some of my 
customers would probably like to use that feature.

  The 
 answer I got was not likely unless you're paying for it, which is 
 certainly fair enough, but I also got the feeling that the idea wasn't 
 well received in general, and that it probably wouldn't be easy to 
 integrate into the main code base.

A while ago I talked about this with Kern and he stated it shouldn't 
be too difficult. But as long as there are more pressing projects, he 
would concentrate on those.

 I could be wrong of course.. In my 
 world it would be ideal if I could copy jobs (yes, like rsync) from one 
 SD to another during the day, with a bandwidth limit.
 
 I'll have to give the idea of rsyncing disk volumes themselves another look

That's just the point - a good part of the missing functionality can 
be achieved with other, existing tools. I don't think you'll run into 
serious problems, as long as you manually enforce using the right 
device and pool when restoring.

Arno

 
 
 Berend Dekens wrote:
 Hi all,

 After trying the new beta's which hold Copy Jobs support I discovered
 that a copy job (just like a migration job) can only transfer data from
 one storage pool to another within *the same* storage daemon. Because I
 wanted to use this for offsite backups this won't work for me.

 I tried to get offsite backups by doing a local backup first to the
 local SD and then another backup to the remote SD. This works fine when
 backupping but when you need to recover data (and you are using
 incrementals or differentials instead of full backups) the SD which you
 told to perform the restore will most likely ask for backup volumes
 which are part of the remote pool and remote SD. For some reason it
 seems that bacula can't keep the pool data seperate so this way of
 offsite backupping won't work (unless I missed an option somewhere).

 I now came up with a new plan: the offsite location has its own Bacula
 backup system with a seperate director and clients. The local bacula
 shares the storage daemon of the remote system (making scheduling a tad
 tricky to prevent 2 directors wanting to run jobs on the same SD). If I
 let the remote director backup the local systems, the data is completely
 offsite (including database) - giving me what I want.

 The biggest problem here is redundancy: I need to configure both
 directors for all clients (local and remote), all file sets used and add
 new schedules. Besides that I reckon this would/should/could work - 
 right?

 Regards,
 Berend Dekens

 P.S. Hasn't anybody created a graphical configuration program for bacula
 yet? ^^





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Re: [Bacula-users] Offsite backup solution

2009-02-17 Thread Bruno Friedmann
Robert LeBlanc wrote:
 P.S. Hasn't anybody created a graphical configuration program for bacula
 yet? ^^
 
 I'm working on one using PHP and MySQL, I'm hoping to be able to pull the
 configuration straight from MySQL for the Director and SD. The FD doesn't
 change so much so I was going to just spit out a file to put on the FD.

Hi Robert If you are working on it try to use pdo extension This can greatly 
improve the base user which would be interested

Use bacula with sqlite - config in sqlite with pdo
Use bacula with mysql - config in mysql with pdo
Use bacula with postgresql - config in postgresql with pdo
Use bacula with oracle - config in oracle with pdo
etc ...

But with all options present in bacula, changing time to time for different 
version
with the possibly of using one director at one version client with another and 
sd a third (even if not recommended)
I'm just imaging that would give you too much work.

vi, emacs [put the name of your favorite text editor] rocks in case of bacula

GUI ? there's gedit, kate, x-term+vi  :-


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Re: [Bacula-users] Offsite backup solution

2009-02-17 Thread John Drescher
 vi, emacs [put the name of your favorite text editor] rocks in case of bacula

 GUI ? there's gedit, kate, x-term+vi  :-



I use nano via ssh for the most part with my 30 clients, 75 jobs,
multiple SDs, external database,  15 pools .

I have my configuration files (50+) arranged in a folder hierarchy and
make extensive use of the @ directive.

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Re: [Bacula-users] Offsite backup solution

2009-02-17 Thread Robert LeBlanc

 Hi Robert If you are working on it try to use pdo extension This can
 greatly improve the base user which would be interested
 
 Use bacula with sqlite - config in sqlite with pdo
 Use bacula with mysql - config in mysql with pdo
 Use bacula with postgresql - config in postgresql with pdo
 Use bacula with oracle - config in oracle with pdo
 etc ...
 
 But with all options present in bacula, changing time to time for
 different version
 with the possibly of using one director at one version client with
 another and sd a third (even if not recommended)
 I'm just imaging that would give you too much work.
 
 vi, emacs [put the name of your favorite text editor] rocks in case of
 bacula
 
 GUI ? there's gedit, kate, x-term+vi  :-

I'm using Symfony with Propel, but I'll look into pdo. The idea is that this 
will be very flexible so that anyone could easily add new directives without 
touching the code. That way new features in the future don't need to wait for 
the config tool.

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Re: [Bacula-users] Offsite backup solution

2009-02-17 Thread Jeff Dickens
It was a couple of years ago I first brought this up.  I guess you and I 
are the only one who would find a cross-sd migration/copy useful.  The 
answer I got was not likely unless you're paying for it, which is 
certainly fair enough, but I also got the feeling that the idea wasn't 
well received in general, and that it probably wouldn't be easy to 
integrate into the main code base. I could be wrong of course.. In my 
world it would be ideal if I could copy jobs (yes, like rsync) from one 
SD to another during the day, with a bandwidth limit.


I'll have to give the idea of rsyncing disk volumes themselves another look



Berend Dekens wrote:

Hi all,

After trying the new beta's which hold Copy Jobs support I discovered
that a copy job (just like a migration job) can only transfer data from
one storage pool to another within *the same* storage daemon. Because I
wanted to use this for offsite backups this won't work for me.

I tried to get offsite backups by doing a local backup first to the
local SD and then another backup to the remote SD. This works fine when
backupping but when you need to recover data (and you are using
incrementals or differentials instead of full backups) the SD which you
told to perform the restore will most likely ask for backup volumes
which are part of the remote pool and remote SD. For some reason it
seems that bacula can't keep the pool data seperate so this way of
offsite backupping won't work (unless I missed an option somewhere).

I now came up with a new plan: the offsite location has its own Bacula
backup system with a seperate director and clients. The local bacula
shares the storage daemon of the remote system (making scheduling a tad
tricky to prevent 2 directors wanting to run jobs on the same SD). If I
let the remote director backup the local systems, the data is completely
offsite (including database) - giving me what I want.

The biggest problem here is redundancy: I need to configure both
directors for all clients (local and remote), all file sets used and add
new schedules. Besides that I reckon this would/should/could work - right?

Regards,
Berend Dekens

P.S. Hasn't anybody created a graphical configuration program for bacula
yet? ^^





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[Bacula-users] Offsite backup solution

2009-02-16 Thread Berend Dekens
Hi all,

After trying the new beta's which hold Copy Jobs support I discovered
that a copy job (just like a migration job) can only transfer data from
one storage pool to another within *the same* storage daemon. Because I
wanted to use this for offsite backups this won't work for me.

I tried to get offsite backups by doing a local backup first to the
local SD and then another backup to the remote SD. This works fine when
backupping but when you need to recover data (and you are using
incrementals or differentials instead of full backups) the SD which you
told to perform the restore will most likely ask for backup volumes
which are part of the remote pool and remote SD. For some reason it
seems that bacula can't keep the pool data seperate so this way of
offsite backupping won't work (unless I missed an option somewhere).

I now came up with a new plan: the offsite location has its own Bacula
backup system with a seperate director and clients. The local bacula
shares the storage daemon of the remote system (making scheduling a tad
tricky to prevent 2 directors wanting to run jobs on the same SD). If I
let the remote director backup the local systems, the data is completely
offsite (including database) - giving me what I want.

The biggest problem here is redundancy: I need to configure both
directors for all clients (local and remote), all file sets used and add
new schedules. Besides that I reckon this would/should/could work - right?

Regards,
Berend Dekens

P.S. Hasn't anybody created a graphical configuration program for bacula
yet? ^^





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Re: [Bacula-users] Offsite backup solution

2009-02-16 Thread Kevin Keane
Berend Dekens wrote:
 Hi all,

 After trying the new beta's which hold Copy Jobs support I discovered
 that a copy job (just like a migration job) can only transfer data from
 one storage pool to another within *the same* storage daemon. Because I
 wanted to use this for offsite backups this won't work for me.

 I tried to get offsite backups by doing a local backup first to the
 local SD and then another backup to the remote SD. This works fine when
 backupping but when you need to recover data (and you are using
 incrementals or differentials instead of full backups) the SD which you
 told to perform the restore will most likely ask for backup volumes
 which are part of the remote pool and remote SD. For some reason it
 seems that bacula can't keep the pool data seperate so this way of
 offsite backupping won't work (unless I missed an option somewhere).

 I now came up with a new plan: the offsite location has its own Bacula
 backup system with a seperate director and clients. The local bacula
 shares the storage daemon of the remote system (making scheduling a tad
 tricky to prevent 2 directors wanting to run jobs on the same SD). If I
 let the remote director backup the local systems, the data is completely
 offsite (including database) - giving me what I want.
   
I'm not sure if I quite follow what you are trying to accomplish, but it 
seems to me that maybe rsync would be another option to accomplish 
basically the same goal? Or am I way off base here?

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Re: [Bacula-users] Offsite backup solution

2009-02-16 Thread John Drescher
 P.S. Hasn't anybody created a graphical configuration program for bacula
 yet? ^^

webmin

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Re: [Bacula-users] Offsite backup solution

2009-02-16 Thread John Drescher
 I'm not sure if I quite follow what you are trying to accomplish, but it
 seems to me that maybe rsync would be another option to accomplish
 basically the same goal? Or am I way off base here?

For disk volumes this works great. Just rsync the folder with volumes.

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Re: [Bacula-users] Offsite backup solution

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 P.S. Hasn't anybody created a graphical configuration program for bacula
 yet? ^^

I'm working on one using PHP and MySQL, I'm hoping to be able to pull the
configuration straight from MySQL for the Director and SD. The FD doesn't
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[Bacula-users] offsite backup question

2008-11-12 Thread John Fitzpatrick

Hi everyone, 

I have been running nightly backups using a single pool of 19 volumes. The 
schedule is for 
Schedule { 
Name = WeeklyCycle 
Run = Full 1st sat at 23:05 
Run = Differential 2nd-5th sat at 23:05 
Run = Incremental mon-fri at 23:05 
} 

What i want to do is take tapes offsite once a month and what I did was to 
create a new pool 
Pool { 
Name = Offsite_Backup 
Pool Type = Backup 
Recycle = yes # Bacula can automatically recycle Volumes 
AutoPrune = yes # Prune expired volumes 
Volume Retention = 30 days # one year 
Accept Any Volume = yes # write on any volume in the pool 
Cleaning Prefix = LTC 
} 

then added 2 tapes to it and ran the jobs associated with each client 
Job { 
Name = ie-serv-2_backup 
Type = Backup 
Level = Incremental 
Client = ie-serv-2-fd 
FileSet = ie-serv-2 Full Set 
Schedule = WeeklyCycle 
Storage = PV128T 
Messages = Standard 
Pool = Servers_Nightly 
Priority = 10 
Write Bootstrap = /var/bacula/ie-serv-2.bsr 
} 

modifying the Type to Full 

This seemed fine and the usual scheduled backup ran as expected 

So I removed the tapes for offsite, put the other 2 back in and restarted 
bacula. 

Tested a backup and it keeps asking for the two offsite tapes which is alright 
now as I have them on my desk but how should I be doing this? 

was thinking define another job for offsite with new bootstrap but then what 
about the catalog I only have one, can I create another? 

All comments welcome. 

regard, 
John 

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Re: [Bacula-users] offsite backup question

2008-11-12 Thread John Fitzpatrick

Hi Berend,

I was thinking of doing it that way, a full backup for offsite followed by a 
full to stay in the changer. It just seems a long way around it, a full backup 
for each client takes 15 hours in total. 

Thanks Kevin, but I thought I had already included that
Add the option 'recycle current volume = yes' to the offsite pool
with recycle = yes

I will run another full back locally and test a restore from local, then 
restore from my offsite set. 


Thanks,
John 



Berend wrote:

Hey John,

I have a similar problem at the moment. The problem originates from the 
fact that Bacula seems to be unable to seperate restore jobs based on 
storage pools (so a system with files stored in multiple pools will 
require volumes from all pools used).

As far as I know this is currently not solved - you might work around it 
by making a full offsite backup followed by a full local backup: this 
way both locations have a complete data set. But for my sake it is too 
much work and takes too much space.

Bacula 3.0 will have Copy Jobs - a job type which copies backup jobs 
between storage pools. I think that is great for getting the offsite 
backups you and me want :-)

Regards,
Berend Dekens

John Fitzpatrick schreef:

 Hi everyone,

 I have been running nightly backups using a single pool of 19 volumes. 
 The schedule is for
 Schedule {
   Name = WeeklyCycle
   Run = Full 1st sat at 23:05
   Run = Differential 2nd-5th sat at 23:05
   Run = Incremental mon-fri at 23:05
 }

 What i want to do is take tapes offsite once a month and what I did 
 was to create a new pool
 Pool {
   Name = Offsite_Backup
   Pool Type = Backup
   Recycle = yes   # Bacula can automatically 
 recycle Volumes
   AutoPrune = yes # Prune expired volumes
   Volume Retention = 30 days # one year
   Accept Any Volume = yes # write on any volume in the pool
   Cleaning Prefix = LTC
 }

 then added 2 tapes to it and ran the jobs associated with each client
 Job {
   Name = ie-serv-2_backup
   Type = Backup
   Level = Incremental
   Client = ie-serv-2-fd
   FileSet = ie-serv-2 Full Set
   Schedule = WeeklyCycle
   Storage = PV128T
   Messages = Standard
   Pool = Servers_Nightly
   Priority = 10
   Write Bootstrap = /var/bacula/ie-serv-2.bsr
 }

 modifying the Type to Full

 This seemed fine and the usual scheduled backup ran as expected

 So I removed the tapes for offsite, put the other 2 back in and 
 restarted bacula.

 Tested a backup and it keeps asking for the two offsite tapes which is 
 alright now as I have them on my desk but how should I be doing this?

 was thinking define another job for offsite with new bootstrap but 
 then what about the catalog I only have one, can I create another?

 All comments welcome.

 regard,
 John

 

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Re: [Bacula-users] offsite backup question

2008-11-12 Thread Berend Dekens
Hey John,

I have a similar problem at the moment. The problem originates from the 
fact that Bacula seems to be unable to seperate restore jobs based on 
storage pools (so a system with files stored in multiple pools will 
require volumes from all pools used).

As far as I know this is currently not solved - you might work around it 
by making a full offsite backup followed by a full local backup: this 
way both locations have a complete data set. But for my sake it is too 
much work and takes too much space.

Bacula 3.0 will have Copy Jobs - a job type which copies backup jobs 
between storage pools. I think that is great for getting the offsite 
backups you and me want :-)

Regards,
Berend Dekens

John Fitzpatrick schreef:

 Hi everyone,

 I have been running nightly backups using a single pool of 19 volumes. 
 The schedule is for
 Schedule {
   Name = WeeklyCycle
   Run = Full 1st sat at 23:05
   Run = Differential 2nd-5th sat at 23:05
   Run = Incremental mon-fri at 23:05
 }

 What i want to do is take tapes offsite once a month and what I did 
 was to create a new pool
 Pool {
   Name = Offsite_Backup
   Pool Type = Backup
   Recycle = yes   # Bacula can automatically 
 recycle Volumes
   AutoPrune = yes # Prune expired volumes
   Volume Retention = 30 days # one year
   Accept Any Volume = yes # write on any volume in the pool
   Cleaning Prefix = LTC
 }

 then added 2 tapes to it and ran the jobs associated with each client
 Job {
   Name = ie-serv-2_backup
   Type = Backup
   Level = Incremental
   Client = ie-serv-2-fd
   FileSet = ie-serv-2 Full Set
   Schedule = WeeklyCycle
   Storage = PV128T
   Messages = Standard
   Pool = Servers_Nightly
   Priority = 10
   Write Bootstrap = /var/bacula/ie-serv-2.bsr
 }

 modifying the Type to Full

 This seemed fine and the usual scheduled backup ran as expected

 So I removed the tapes for offsite, put the other 2 back in and 
 restarted bacula.

 Tested a backup and it keeps asking for the two offsite tapes which is 
 alright now as I have them on my desk but how should I be doing this?

 was thinking define another job for offsite with new bootstrap but 
 then what about the catalog I only have one, can I create another?

 All comments welcome.

 regard,
 John

 

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