Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
The last version of bacula has this limitation yet? If not, anyone know when this will be added to milestone? I think this is a high priority bug to be solved. Kleber В Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:41:59 -0500 Jason A. Kates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2TB of nightly backups isn't that much to backup each night. I thing it's rather the question of your retention period. I upgraded from Netbackup to Bacula and each will restore the base files then the incremental files. -Jason You mean, Netbackup has the same limitation??? Vladimir -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
Complete discussion here: http://www.mail-archive.com/bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg28974.html 2010/9/5 Kleber Leal kleber.l...@gmail.com The last version of bacula has this limitation yet? If not, anyone know when this will be added to milestone? I think this is a high priority bug to be solved. Kleber В Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:41:59 -0500 Jason A. Kates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2TB of nightly backups isn't that much to backup each night. I thing it's rather the question of your retention period. I upgraded from Netbackup to Bacula and each will restore the base files then the incremental files. -Jason You mean, Netbackup has the same limitation??? Vladimir -- eu nomeKléber Leal/nome e-mailkleber.l...@gmail.com/e-mail telefone tipo=celular(81) 8756 9603/telefone mensagem corpoO único lugar onde o sucesso vem antes do trabalho é no dicionário/corpo autorAlbert Einstein/autor /mensagem /eu -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
The last version of bacula has this limitation yet? http://www.bacula.org/5.0.x-manuals/en/main/main/Configuring_Director.html#6818 This option has been there for quite a while... andrea -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
Good news, Andrea. Thank you Kleber 2010/9/5 Andrea Conti a...@alyf.net The last version of bacula has this limitation yet? http://www.bacula.org/5.0.x-manuals/en/main/main/Configuring_Director.html#6818 This option has been there for quite a while... andrea -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
Martin Simmons wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:06:19 + (GMT), Alan Brown said: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: For example, in the commercial realm, EMC Retrospect will properly restore incremental backups with deleted files removed. In the open source realm, Amanda will also properly handle deleted files in incremental backups. When did Amanda gain that feature? I didn't see it last time I looked... It is a feature of tar. Do you recall what feature or option in tar? I'm asking for hints when I search the man page. I didn't find 'delete' mentioned specifically. -- Dan Langille BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference : http://www.bsdcan.org/ PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
On Thursday 24 January 2008 10:58, Dan Langille wrote: Martin Simmons wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:06:19 + (GMT), Alan Brown said: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: For example, in the commercial realm, EMC Retrospect will properly restore incremental backups with deleted files removed. In the open source realm, Amanda will also properly handle deleted files in incremental backups. When did Amanda gain that feature? I didn't see it last time I looked... It is a feature of tar. Do you recall what feature or option in tar? I'm asking for hints when I search the man page. I didn't find 'delete' mentioned specifically. Dan, I found this documented on the tar website: http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/tar.html#SEC88 Incremental backup is a special form of GNU tar archive that stores additional metadata so that exact state of the file system can be restored when extracting the archive. The online manual goes into much more detail than the man manual page. HTH cmr -- Debian 'Etch' - Registered Linux User #241964 More laws, less justice. -- Marcus Tullius Ciceroca, 42 BC - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
C M Reinehr wrote: On Thursday 24 January 2008 10:58, Dan Langille wrote: Martin Simmons wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:06:19 + (GMT), Alan Brown said: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: For example, in the commercial realm, EMC Retrospect will properly restore incremental backups with deleted files removed. In the open source realm, Amanda will also properly handle deleted files in incremental backups. When did Amanda gain that feature? I didn't see it last time I looked... It is a feature of tar. Do you recall what feature or option in tar? I'm asking for hints when I search the man page. I didn't find 'delete' mentioned specifically. Dan, I found this documented on the tar website: http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/tar.html#SEC88 Incremental backup is a special form of GNU tar archive that stores additional metadata so that exact state of the file system can be restored when extracting the archive. The online manual goes into much more detail than the man manual page. Thank you for the URL. As pointed out in the manpage, this features uses tar extensions which may not be implemented in other implementations of tar. The strategies used by GNU tar may be worth study by anyone implementing similar features in Bacula. -- Dan Langille BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference : http://www.bsdcan.org/ PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:29:10 -0500, Dan Langille said: C M Reinehr wrote: On Thursday 24 January 2008 10:58, Dan Langille wrote: Martin Simmons wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:06:19 + (GMT), Alan Brown said: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: For example, in the commercial realm, EMC Retrospect will properly restore incremental backups with deleted files removed. In the open source realm, Amanda will also properly handle deleted files in incremental backups. When did Amanda gain that feature? I didn't see it last time I looked... It is a feature of tar. Do you recall what feature or option in tar? I'm asking for hints when I search the man page. I didn't find 'delete' mentioned specifically. Dan, I found this documented on the tar website: http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/tar.html#SEC88 Incremental backup is a special form of GNU tar archive that stores additional metadata so that exact state of the file system can be restored when extracting the archive. The online manual goes into much more detail than the man manual page. Thank you for the URL. As pointed out in the manpage, this features uses tar extensions which may not be implemented in other implementations of tar. The strategies used by GNU tar may be worth study by anyone implementing similar features in Bacula. I think that idea has been rejected already, because the strategies are too specific to unix and do not work on Windows. Also, I'm not sure if GNU tar's implementation of incrementals is working in all cases yet. __Martin - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, Jason A. Kates wrote: I wouldn't say that this is a bug. The shrink wrapped backup softare that you will pay 10's of K for work in the same way. If it's that much of an issue just do fulls for that file system. Jason is correct, there are only a couple of (very expensive) backup packages which do deletion tracking over differential/incremental backups. I have a similar situation with maildir format areas. My current solution is weekly full backups. - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: For example, in the commercial realm, EMC Retrospect will properly restore incremental backups with deleted files removed. In the open source realm, Amanda will also properly handle deleted files in incremental backups. When did Amanda gain that feature? I didn't see it last time I looked... - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
But this bug renders the incremental backups (almost) useless... This is not a bug at all. This is a common characteristic of many backup systems. well, ok, this limitation renders the incremental backups (almost) useless. Why not run a command like 'find . -type f file_list' and store the result in a file before the backup ? (It will work better with a snapshot) You will be aware of all current files... Bye - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
Hi, Dan Langille wrote: Vladimirs Vecgailis wrote: As it stands at http://www.bacula.org/?page=projects the date, when this item/limitation was noted/registered was the 28 November 2005 and is now the Item 1 on the project-list. Maybe you know how is the stand at the moment? To my knowledge, nobody is working on it. I'm working on it with kern, we have a solution but it will takes some time to implement it. Bye - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
Am Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:50:50 +0100 schrieb Eric Bollengier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But this bug renders the incremental backups (almost) useless... This is not a bug at all. This is a common characteristic of many backup systems. well, ok, this limitation renders the incremental backups (almost) useless. Why not run a command like 'find . -type f file_list' and store the result in a file before the backup ? (It will work better with a snapshot) You will be aware of all current files... Bye Bingo! That's it. At least for unix-based systems it will work... ... make a list, and then do recover and give the filelist to bacula... Mit freundlichen Grüßen Vladimirs Vecgailis Geschäftsführer --- RedStar IT - Linux Consulting, Support, Hosting Inhaber Vladimirs Vecgailis Storkower Str. 225 10367 Berlin Tel. +49 30 97994649 Fax. +49 30 484986540 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: http://www.redstar-it.de - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
Am Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:19:07 +0100 schrieb Eric Bollengier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Dan Langille wrote: Vladimirs Vecgailis wrote: As it stands at http://www.bacula.org/?page=projects the date, when this item/limitation was noted/registered was the 28 November 2005 and is now the Item 1 on the project-list. Maybe you know how is the stand at the moment? To my knowledge, nobody is working on it. I'm working on it with kern, we have a solution but it will takes some time to implement it. Bye ! :-) Good news! :-) Mit freundlichen Grüßen Vladimirs Vecgailis Geschäftsführer --- RedStar IT - Linux Consulting, Support, Hosting Inhaber Vladimirs Vecgailis Storkower Str. 225 10367 Berlin Tel. +49 30 97994649 Fax. +49 30 484986540 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: http://www.redstar-it.de - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
Am Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:04:15 + (GMT) schrieb Alan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, Jason A. Kates wrote: I wouldn't say that this is a bug. The shrink wrapped backup softare that you will pay 10's of K for work in the same way. If it's that much of an issue just do fulls for that file system. Jason is correct, there are only a couple of (very expensive) backup packages which do deletion tracking over differential/incremental backups. Wow, have not thought, that the situation is so critical with commercial software. I have a similar situation with maildir format areas. My current solution is weekly full backups. Well, i do also weekly backups... But i also do daily inc's... Mit freundlichen Grüßen Vladimirs Vecgailis Geschäftsführer --- RedStar IT - Linux Consulting, Support, Hosting Inhaber Vladimirs Vecgailis Storkower Str. 225 10367 Berlin Tel. +49 30 97994649 Fax. +49 30 484986540 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: http://www.redstar-it.de - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:06:19 + (GMT), Alan Brown said: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: For example, in the commercial realm, EMC Retrospect will properly restore incremental backups with deleted files removed. In the open source realm, Amanda will also properly handle deleted files in incremental backups. When did Amanda gain that feature? I didn't see it last time I looked... It is a feature of tar. __Martin - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
On Thursday 10 January 2008 15:44, Vladimirs Vecgailis wrote: Hi all! Following situation: 1) A Full backup of a client is done. 2) After then i create a new file /var/log/myfile1 3) Now i do an incremental backup. The new file is backuped. 4) now i delete this file. 5) Doing an incremental backup again. And now, when i do a restore with restore and choosing the (5) - Select the most recent backup for a client the myfile1, that is actually deleted in the most recent version of the client, is also restored! That's mean, that the entrys about file deletions are not updated in the database! Or am i misunterstanding something? I mean, if i restore a most recent version of a client, then i definetly do not want to restore all deleted old files! If i want to find some file, which is not present in the last backup, i will seek for it with (7) - Enter a list of files to restore or (8) - Enter a list of files to restore before a specified time Help! Hello. Well, this is a known limitation - see http://www.bacula.org/?page=projects Item 1 ;) -- Silver - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vladimirs Vecgailis wrote: Hello. Well, this is a known limitation - see http://www.bacula.org/?page=projects Item 1 ;) :-[ ] But this bug renders the incremental backups (almost) useless... Imagine a Maildir-directory with many thousands of mails. Some hundrets are knowingly deleted. Then a crash comes and data is restored - WITH ALL THE OLD FILES/MAILS... Exactly this is my situation - i backup a Zimbra-Server (a mail groupware-server). It saves the mails in a maildir-like directory-structure in separate files. Now i make backups of approx. 900 000 files, and the amount is bigger every day. Now i tried a restore it to a test-machine and got all the old data back, what was deleted weeks ago! Further, my database grows very fast! What shoul be done in that kind of situation??? :-( I can point out that you SHOULD have read the documentation, as it is not like this was a secret. I'm glad that it sounds like you caught it before trying this on a production system. It is NOT a bug, it is the way things currently work, and it is a common limitation. For a maildir store, you should be doing full backups every night. - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer II |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHhil8mb+gadEcsb4RAid4AKC8YxMFwCOolw51sInEYjv7b5KJ9wCgwjlM KPlBBAoHB20xdMUaKfl/Kp4= =MN8n -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Ryan Novosielski n:Novosielski;Ryan org:UMDNJ;IST/AST adr;dom:MSB C630;;185 South Orange Avenue;Newark;NJ;07103 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Systems Programmer III tel;work:(973) 972-0922 tel;fax:(973) 972-7412 tel;pager:(866) 20-UMDNJ x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
Hello. Well, this is a known limitation - see http://www.bacula.org/?page=projects Item 1 ;) :-[ ] But this bug renders the incremental backups (almost) useless... Imagine a Maildir-directory with many thousands of mails. Some hundrets are knowingly deleted. Then a crash comes and data is restored - WITH ALL THE OLD FILES/MAILS... Exactly this is my situation - i backup a Zimbra-Server (a mail groupware-server). It saves the mails in a maildir-like directory-structure in separate files. Now i make backups of approx. 900 000 files, and the amount is bigger every day. Now i tried a restore it to a test-machine and got all the old data back, what was deleted weeks ago! Further, my database grows very fast! What shoul be done in that kind of situation??? :-( Mit freundlichen Grüßen Vladimirs Vecgailis -- == Vladimirs Vecgailis Colocation IT primacall Vertriebs-GmbH Postfach 08 04 55 10004 Berlin Leipziger Str. 124 10117 Berlin GERMANY Phone +49 30 206143 875 eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web http://www.primacall.de == Amtsgericht und Sitz: Berlin, HRB 98348 B Steuernummer: 37-199-20919 Geschäftsführer: M. Vukusic Die in dieser E-Mail enthaltenen Informationen sind vertraulich und können rechtlich bedeutsam sein. Sie sind ausschließlich für den Adressaten bestimmt und jeglicher Zugriff durch andere Personen ist unzulässig. Falls Sie nicht der beabsichtigte Empfänger sind, ist jegliche Veröffentlichung, Verteilung oder sonstige in diesem Zusammenhang stehende Handlung untersagt und unter Umständen rechtswidrig. Herkömmliche E-Mails sind zudem nicht gegen Zugriff geschützt und können mit und ohne Einfluss von Dritten verloren gehen, verändert oder verfälscht werden. Eine Haftung für die Unversehrtheit von E-Mails oder hieraus entstandene Schäden kann daher nicht übernommen werden. The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee and access to the e-mail by anyone else is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Common e-mails are not protected against access by third persons and therefore might be lost, changed or falsified, with or without any interference by third persons. We cannot accept any responsibility for the integrity of e-mails or for any damages resulting out of these circumstances. - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
В Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:34:00 -0500 Jason A. Kates [EMAIL PROTECTED] пишет: If it's that much of an issue just do fulls for that file system. -Jason Well, the problem is, the Zimbra-Server is not the only one, which have this problem. There are also other server, that have the same problem... To do Fulls for all of them whould be the worst solution... :-\ There are about 2 TB of data that is written to tapes on every full-backup round weekly... Vladimirs - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
I wouldn't say that this is a bug. The shrink wrapped backup softare that you will pay 10's of K for work in the same way. If it's that much of an issue just do fulls for that file system. -Jason On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 15:16 +0100, Vladimirs Vecgailis wrote: Hello. Well, this is a known limitation - see http://www.bacula.org/?page=projects Item 1 ;) :-[ ] But this bug renders the incremental backups (almost) useless... Imagine a Maildir-directory with many thousands of mails. Some hundrets are knowingly deleted. Then a crash comes and data is restored - WITH ALL THE OLD FILES/MAILS... Exactly this is my situation - i backup a Zimbra-Server (a mail groupware-server). It saves the mails in a maildir-like directory-structure in separate files. Now i make backups of approx. 900 000 files, and the amount is bigger every day. Now i tried a restore it to a test-machine and got all the old data back, what was deleted weeks ago! Further, my database grows very fast! What shoul be done in that kind of situation??? :-( Mit freundlichen Grüßen Vladimirs Vecgailis -- == Vladimirs Vecgailis Colocation IT primacall Vertriebs-GmbH Postfach 08 04 55 10004 Berlin Leipziger Str. 124 10117 Berlin GERMANY Phone +49 30 206143 875 eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web http://www.primacall.de == Amtsgericht und Sitz: Berlin, HRB 98348 B Steuernummer: 37-199-20919 Geschäftsführer: M. Vukusic Die in dieser E-Mail enthaltenen Informationen sind vertraulich und können rechtlich bedeutsam sein. Sie sind ausschließlich für den Adressaten bestimmt und jeglicher Zugriff durch andere Personen ist unzulässig. Falls Sie nicht der beabsichtigte Empfänger sind, ist jegliche Veröffentlichung, Verteilung oder sonstige in diesem Zusammenhang stehende Handlung untersagt und unter Umständen rechtswidrig. Herkömmliche E-Mails sind zudem nicht gegen Zugriff geschützt und können mit und ohne Einfluss von Dritten verloren gehen, verändert oder verfälscht werden. Eine Haftung für die Unversehrtheit von E-Mails oder hieraus entstandene Schäden kann daher nicht übernommen werden. The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee and access to the e-mail by anyone else is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Common e-mails are not protected against access by third persons and therefore might be lost, changed or falsified, with or without any interference by third persons. We cannot accept any responsibility for the integrity of e-mails or for any damages resulting out of these circumstances. - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- Jason A. Kates ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Fax:208-975-1514 Phone: 212-400-1670 x2 - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
Vladimirs Vecgailis wrote: Hello. Well, this is a known limitation - see http://www.bacula.org/?page=projects Item 1 ;) :-[ ] But this bug renders the incremental backups (almost) useless... This is not a bug at all. This is a common characteristic of many backup systems. BTW: when posting to a public mailing list, your huge signature is rather bulky and inappropriate. It is certainly not confidental. If you can spare us the legal blurb on each post, it would be appreciated: == Vladimirs Vecgailis Colocation IT primacall Vertriebs-GmbH Postfach 08 04 55 10004 Berlin Leipziger Str. 124 10117 Berlin GERMANY Phone +49 30 206143 875 eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web http://www.primacall.de == Amtsgericht und Sitz: Berlin, HRB 98348 B Steuernummer: 37-199-20919 Geschäftsführer: M. Vukusic Die in dieser E-Mail enthaltenen Informationen sind vertraulich und können rechtlich bedeutsam sein. Sie sind ausschließlich für den Adressaten bestimmt und jeglicher Zugriff durch andere Personen ist unzulässig. Falls Sie nicht der beabsichtigte Empfänger sind, ist jegliche Veröffentlichung, Verteilung oder sonstige in diesem Zusammenhang stehende Handlung untersagt und unter Umständen rechtswidrig. Herkömmliche E-Mails sind zudem nicht gegen Zugriff geschützt und können mit und ohne Einfluss von Dritten verloren gehen, verändert oder verfälscht werden. Eine Haftung für die Unversehrtheit von E-Mails oder hieraus entstandene Schäden kann daher nicht übernommen werden. The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee and access to the e-mail by anyone else is prohibited. I you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Common e-mails are not protected against access by third persons and therefore might be lost, changed or falsified, with or without any interference by third persons. We cannot accept any responsibility for the integrity of e-mails or for any damages resulting out of these circumstances. -- Dan Langille BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference : http://www.bsdcan.org/ PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
В Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:19:40 -0500 Ryan Novosielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] пишет: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I can point out that you SHOULD have read the documentation, as it is not like this was a secret. I'm glad that it sounds like you caught it before trying this on a production system. It is NOT a bug, it is the way things currently work, and it is a common limitation. For a maildir store, you should be doing full backups every night. I've READ the documentation, but maybe i passed exactly this part,,, though i remember to have read about something in this vein... * pulling my hair out * ... As it stands at http://www.bacula.org/?page=projects the date, when this item/limitation was noted/registered was the 28 November 2005 and is now the Item 1 on the project-list. Maybe you know how is the stand at the moment? Greetings. Vladimirs Vecgailis == Vladimirs Vecgailis Colocation IT primacall Vertriebs-GmbH Postfach 08 04 55 10004 Berlin Leipziger Str. 124 10117 Berlin GERMANY Phone +49 30 206143 875 eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web http://www.primacall.de == Amtsgericht und Sitz: Berlin, HRB 98348 B Steuernummer: 37-199-20919 Geschäftsführer: M. Vukusic Die in dieser E-Mail enthaltenen Informationen sind vertraulich und können rechtlich bedeutsam sein. Sie sind ausschließlich für den Adressaten bestimmt und jeglicher Zugriff durch andere Personen ist unzulässig. Falls Sie nicht der beabsichtigte Empfänger sind, ist jegliche Veröffentlichung, Verteilung oder sonstige in diesem Zusammenhang stehende Handlung untersagt und unter Umständen rechtswidrig. Herkömmliche E-Mails sind zudem nicht gegen Zugriff geschützt und können mit und ohne Einfluss von Dritten verloren gehen, verändert oder verfälscht werden. Eine Haftung für die Unversehrtheit von E-Mails oder hieraus entstandene Schäden kann daher nicht übernommen werden. The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee and access to the e-mail by anyone else is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Common e-mails are not protected against access by third persons and therefore might be lost, changed or falsified, with or without any interference by third persons. We cannot accept any responsibility for the integrity of e-mails or for any damages resulting out of these circumstances. - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
But this bug renders the incremental backups (almost) useless... This is not a bug at all. This is a common characteristic of many backup systems. well, ok, this limitation renders the incremental backups (almost) useless. BTW: when posting to a public mailing list, your huge signature is rather bulky and inappropriate. It is certainly not confidental. If you can spare us the legal blurb on each post, it would be appreciated: np. Vladimirs. - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
Vladimirs Vecgailis wrote: But this bug renders the incremental backups (almost) useless... This is not a bug at all. This is a common characteristic of many backup systems. well, ok, this limitation renders the incremental backups (almost) useless. I can see why you think that. Other will disagree. With heavily changing file systems, a full backup is your best solution. There is a project to achieve what you want. To date, nobody has done the work. BTW: when posting to a public mailing list, your huge signature is rather bulky and inappropriate. It is certainly not confidental. If you can spare us the legal blurb on each post, it would be appreciated: np. Thank you. :) -- Dan Langille BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference : http://www.bsdcan.org/ PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
Vladimirs Vecgailis wrote: As it stands at http://www.bacula.org/?page=projects the date, when this item/limitation was noted/registered was the 28 November 2005 and is now the Item 1 on the project-list. Maybe you know how is the stand at the moment? To my knowledge, nobody is working on it. -- Dan Langille BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference : http://www.bsdcan.org/ PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
В Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:04:03 -0500 Dan Langille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, ok, this limitation renders the incremental backups (almost) useless. I can see why you think that. Other will disagree. ??? But it the situation, when a file is knowingly removed/email deleted/whatever is deleted is in 99% of cases. Knowingly, i repeat. And if this file is still restored this leads the whole restore-process ad absurdum... V. - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
В Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:41:59 -0500 Jason A. Kates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2TB of nightly backups isn't that much to backup each night. I thing it's rather the question of your retention period. I upgraded from Netbackup to Bacula and each will restore the base files then the incremental files. -Jason You mean, Netbackup has the same limitation??? Vladimir - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
2TB of nightly backups isn't that much to backup each night. If it's that much of an issue I would move to fulls. I upgraded from Netbackup to Bacula and each will restore the base files then the incremental files. -Jason On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 16:34 +0100, Vladimirs Vecgailis wrote: В Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:04:03 -0500 Dan Langille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, ok, this limitation renders the incremental backups (almost) useless. I can see why you think that. Other will disagree. ??? But it the situation, when a file is knowingly removed/email deleted/whatever is deleted is in 99% of cases. Knowingly, i repeat. And if this file is still restored this leads the whole restore-process ad absurdum... V. - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- Jason A. Kates ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Fax:208-975-1514 Phone: 212-400-1670 x2 - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
Hello, But it the situation, when a file is knowingly removed/email deleted/whatever is deleted is in 99% of cases. Knowingly, i repeat. And if this file is still restored this leads the whole restore-process ad absurdum... As is the case with most tools, you need to evaluate them and discover the best way to implement in your environment. You've done this and discovered the best solution would be full backups each night. I've worked with several commercial backup systems, most of them have the same feature yes its annoying but its the nature of the beast. -- R.I.Pienaar - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Problem: deleted files entrys are still in the database and are restored
Jason A. Kates wrote: I wouldn't say that this is a bug. The shrink wrapped backup softare that you will pay 10's of K for work in the same way. If it's that much of an issue just do fulls for that file system. -Jason Actually, some do and some don't. You have to check the documentation for each one to be sure. For example, in the commercial realm, EMC Retrospect will properly restore incremental backups with deleted files removed. In the open source realm, Amanda will also properly handle deleted files in incremental backups. --- Chris Hoogendyk - O__ Systems Administrator c/ /'_ --- Biology Geology Departments (*) \(*) -- 140 Morrill Science Center ~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Erdös 4 On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 15:16 +0100, Vladimirs Vecgailis wrote: Hello. Well, this is a known limitation - see http://www.bacula.org/?page=projects Item 1 ;) :-[ ] But this bug renders the incremental backups (almost) useless... Imagine a Maildir-directory with many thousands of mails. Some hundrets are knowingly deleted. Then a crash comes and data is restored - WITH ALL THE OLD FILES/MAILS... Exactly this is my situation - i backup a Zimbra-Server (a mail groupware-server). It saves the mails in a maildir-like directory-structure in separate files. Now i make backups of approx. 900 000 files, and the amount is bigger every day. Now i tried a restore it to a test-machine and got all the old data back, what was deleted weeks ago! Further, my database grows very fast! What shoul be done in that kind of situation??? :-( Mit freundlichen Grüßen Vladimirs Vecgailis -- == Vladimirs Vecgailis Colocation IT primacall Vertriebs-GmbH Postfach 08 04 55 10004 Berlin Leipziger Str. 124 10117 Berlin GERMANY Phone+49 30 206143 875 eMail[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web http://www.primacall.de == Amtsgericht und Sitz: Berlin, HRB 98348 B Steuernummer: 37-199-20919 Geschäftsführer: M. Vukusic Die in dieser E-Mail enthaltenen Informationen sind vertraulich und können rechtlich bedeutsam sein. Sie sind ausschließlich für den Adressaten bestimmt und jeglicher Zugriff durch andere Personen ist unzulässig. Falls Sie nicht der beabsichtigte Empfänger sind, ist jegliche Veröffentlichung, Verteilung oder sonstige in diesem Zusammenhang stehende Handlung untersagt und unter Umständen rechtswidrig. Herkömmliche E-Mails sind zudem nicht gegen Zugriff geschützt und können mit und ohne Einfluss von Dritten verloren gehen, verändert oder verfälscht werden. Eine Haftung für die Unversehrtheit von E-Mails oder hieraus entstandene Schäden kann daher nicht übernommen werden. The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee and access to the e-mail by anyone else is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Common e-mails are not protected against access by third persons and therefore might be lost, changed or falsified, with or without any interference by third persons. We cannot accept any responsibility for the integrity of e-mails or for any damages resulting out of these circumstances. - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
