Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version (rpm install)
On Sunday 08 April 2007 05:26, Shaun T. Erickson wrote: On 4/7/07, Kern Sibbald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Build from source. A site that I help administer has an old 7.1 machine with no CDROM (I removed it to add another hard disk), and I build everything from source. Ok. I did that for my RH7.1 and RHLAS2.1AS systems. Shortly, I'll be done upgrading the RPMs on my RH9 systems with the RPM Scott provides. Question: for my Windows Server 2000 boxes, do I uninstall the current winbacula client and then install the newer one, or do I install the newer one over the current one? You can do it either way. Each has its advantages/disadvantage. If I am not mistaken if you do not uninstall it, the new install will continue to use your old locations (I'm a bit unsure on this). After an uninstall, it (version 2.0.3) will install in a new set of locations that follow Microsoft standards -- see the README. I saved my old conf file, uninstalled, then installed the new one, then edited the new conf file, pulling the name and password from my old conf. Then it'll be on to upgrading the backup server itself. Joy. -- -ste - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version (rpm install)
I'm testing now and the first thing I noticed is that I had to change the permissions on my spool directory to bacula.disk - minor. :) Next, I'm seeing messages that bacula will not descend into other mounted partitions from root. Is that a change from the past or has it been silently not doing descending in the past and I really wasn't backing up those filesystems as I thought? Do I have to list them all in the fileset now, or is there a new directive I can put somewhere that will tell it do descend into them automatically? -ste - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version (rpm install)
On 4/8/07, Shaun T. Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next, I'm seeing messages that bacula will not descend into other mounted partitions from root. Is that a change from the past or has it been silently not doing descending in the past and I really wasn't backing up those filesystems as I thought? Do I have to list them all in the fileset now, or is there a new directive I can put somewhere that will tell it do descend into them automatically? I somewhat mis-spoke, it seems. I did have the other filesystems listed in the fileset, so they were and are being backed up (I set it up so long ago, I'd forgotten). What seems to be new, since 1.36, is the messages saying it won't descend, which are, I assume, from when I specify / in the fileset. It would, as someone wrote me, be nice if those messages could be surpressed when the mentioned filesystems are listed in the same fileset, but I guess I can ignore them. -- -ste - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version (rpm install)
My testing seems to be going ok, except for one thing: Now that things run as different user and groups that in 1.36, my before- and after-job commands to mount a remote Netware partition and unmount it after it's backed up are failing, because ncpmount and umount are only useable by root and the process calling them isn't running as root anymore ... -ste - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version(rpm install)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bacula-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shaun T. Erickson Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 1:21 PM To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version(rpm install) My testing seems to be going ok, except for one thing: Now that things run as different user and groups that in 1.36, my before- and after-job commands to mount a remote Netware partition and unmount it after it's backed up are failing, because ncpmount and umount are only useable by root and the process calling them isn't running as root anymore ... Try using sudo and only give the bacula user the exact command in the sudoers file for ncpmount and umnount for those directories. Robert LeBlanc BioAg Computer Support Brigham Young University [EMAIL PROTECTED] (801)422-1882 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version(rpm install)
On 4/8/07, Robert LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try using sudo and only give the bacula user the exact command in the sudoers file for ncpmount and umnount for those directories. Ah, yes - that should work nicely. I should have thought of that, myself. Thanks. I'm watching the jobs run (I scheduled a full backup of everything), and everything seems to be ok, except that three jobs have failed to write their attributes to tape, leaving the jobs in a terminated, but not completed, state. Since I only allow five jobs to run at a time - all jobs spool to disk, then de-spool to tape - I've now only got two running at a time, because the other three haven't cleared. I haven't been able to figure out why they haven't de-spooled their attributes yet. They were the first three jobs to start, but I don't see why that should matter. When I connect to their file daemons from the console, all three say they terminated their jobs successfully and show how much they backed up. Indeed, all three successfully de-spooled their data to tape too - just not their attributes, for some reason. -- -ste - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version(rpm install)
On 4/8/07, Shaun T. Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm watching the jobs run (I scheduled a full backup of everything), and everything seems to be ok, except that three jobs have failed to write their attributes to tape, leaving the jobs in a terminated, but not completed, state. Since I only allow five jobs to run at a time - all jobs spool to disk, then de-spool to tape - I've now only got two running at a time, because the other three haven't cleared. I haven't been able to figure out why they haven't de-spooled their attributes yet. They were the first three jobs to start, but I don't see why that should matter. When I connect to their file daemons from the console, all three say they terminated their jobs successfully and show how much they backed up. Indeed, all three successfully de-spooled their data to tape too - just not their attributes, for some reason. No sooner did I hit send on the above, when two of the three jobs suddenly de-spooled their attributes to tape and completed, so now I'm back up to 4 running jobs. I'm assuming that since these finally finished - more than two hours after they de-spooled their data - that the final one will eventually complete as well. It was a huge backup though and has a really large attribute file, so if it's sending them to tape based on size, it may be a while yet. How does bacula decide when to send the attributes for a job to tape? When do they get written to the database? Maybe figuring that out will explain the behavior I'm seeing (which appears to be working - and I'm just hand-wringing watching for anything going wrong). -- -ste - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version (rpm install)
On 4/8/07, Shaun T. Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've run into one small problem though: The 2.0.3 bacula-mysql RPM requires that the mtx RPM be installed. I tried to install it, but several files in it conflict with files in the 1.36 bacula-mysql RPM. Can I get away with using the --nodeps argument to get bacula-mysql upgraded and *then* install mtx, since I can't do it the other way around? As an FYI, I did exactly as I suggested and it worked fine, in case anyone runs into this during their upgrade ... -- -ste - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version(rpm install)
On Sunday 08 April 2007 23:36, Shaun T. Erickson wrote: On 4/8/07, Shaun T. Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm watching the jobs run (I scheduled a full backup of everything), and everything seems to be ok, except that three jobs have failed to write their attributes to tape, leaving the jobs in a terminated, but not completed, state. Since I only allow five jobs to run at a time - all jobs spool to disk, then de-spool to tape - I've now only got two running at a time, because the other three haven't cleared. I haven't been able to figure out why they haven't de-spooled their attributes yet. They were the first three jobs to start, but I don't see why that should matter. When I connect to their file daemons from the console, all three say they terminated their jobs successfully and show how much they backed up. Indeed, all three successfully de-spooled their data to tape too - just not their attributes, for some reason. No sooner did I hit send on the above, when two of the three jobs suddenly de-spooled their attributes to tape and completed, so now I'm back up to 4 running jobs. I'm assuming that since these finally finished - more than two hours after they de-spooled their data - that the final one will eventually complete as well. It was a huge backup though and has a really large attribute file, so if it's sending them to tape based on size, it may be a while yet. How does bacula decide when to send the attributes for a job to tape? When do they get written to the database? Maybe figuring that out will explain the behavior I'm seeing (which appears to be working - and I'm just hand-wringing watching for anything going wrong). There are two attribute copies in the SD. One is in the data that may be spooled and is written to tape. This copy always is written to the Volume at the same time as the data. The second copy of the attributes is separated from the data and is *always* spooled. These attributes are sent to the DIR only after all the data (+attributes) are written to the Volume. Despooling, sending to the DIR and inserting the attributes in the catalog can be time consuming. -- -ste - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version (rpm install)
On Saturday 07 April 2007 15:09, Shaun T. Erickson wrote: I am running bacula 1.36.1. It was installed via rpms that Scott built, back in 2004. This is what I currently have: backup server: runs: CentOS 3.8 bacula: bacula-mysql-1.36.1-1.i386.wb3.rpm mysql: 4.1.14 from MySQL-AB client group #1: runs: Red Hat 9 bacula: bacula-client-1.36.1-1.i386.rh9.rpm client group #2: runs: Red Hat 7.1 runs: Red Hat Linux Advanced Server 2.1AS bacula: bacula-client-1.36.1-1.i386.rh7.rpm client group #3: runs: Windows Server 2000 bacula: winbacula-1.36.1-1.exe I need to upgrade to the latest stable release of bacula, site-wide. It seems to me that it should be very simple to upgrade all of the clients, assuming there are rpms for all these old OSes. BTW, where do I get the rpms from and does Scott still maintain them? What about upgrading the backup server? I need to not screw it up. :) Any suggestions, gotchas, tips? I've never done a bacula upgrade before. Will I still be able to read the tapes made with my old installation? I am sure you will get some responses that answer your questions, but two tips: 1. Read the upgrading sections of the manual -- there are two or three (see Upgrading in the index of the Development manual). 2. Realize that you are upgrading two database levels, so you will probably need to upgrade the database to 1.38.x first (probably manually) then do a 2.0.x upgrade. If there's anything I haven't mentioned, that's important to my successfully performing this upgrade, please tell me, and thank you all very much, in advance. -- -ste - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version (rpm install)
On 4/7/07, Kern Sibbald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure you will get some responses that answer your questions, but two tips: 1. Read the upgrading sections of the manual -- there are two or three (see Upgrading in the index of the Development manual). 2. Realize that you are upgrading two database levels, so you will probably need to upgrade the database to 1.38.x first (probably manually) then do a 2.0.x upgrade. Thanks, Kern. I've done some digging and I have answered a number of my questions. I've read that the tapes will be able to be read by the newer version. I also found that Scott (and others) do still make the rpms and that they're on sourceforge. I see that there is no rh7 rpm built though, so I downloaded the srpm and tried to compile it with this command: rpmbuild -ba --define build_client_only 1 --define build_rh7 1 rpmbuild/SPECS/bacula.spec It's failing, complaining of a build-time requirement of libxml2-devel, yet I can find no libxml2 and libxml2-devel for RH7.1 on the Red Hat archive site in the original release or the updates to it. I don't know how to proceed. I noticed in the manual section on building rpms that there were permission changes between 1.36 and 1.38. I'll watch out for that when moving to the latest release, but was wondering if the rpms just take care of fixing it if needed? I also see that the scripts needed to do the db upgrade yoou mentioned are in an rpm from Scott, so I should be ok there. My main problem is building that rh7 client ... suggestions anyone? -- -ste - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version (rpm install)
I tried commenting out the build-requirement of libxml2-devel, hoping the client didn't need it. That got me a lot further. Now I'm seeing two things: openssl/asn1t.h appears to be missing, yet I have openssl and openssl-devel installed, and objdump is complaining it doesn't understand the file format of a lot of files. -- -ste - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version (rpm install)
On Saturday 07 April 2007 18:21, Shaun T. Erickson wrote: On 4/7/07, Kern Sibbald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure you will get some responses that answer your questions, but two tips: 1. Read the upgrading sections of the manual -- there are two or three (see Upgrading in the index of the Development manual). 2. Realize that you are upgrading two database levels, so you will probably need to upgrade the database to 1.38.x first (probably manually) then do a 2.0.x upgrade. Thanks, Kern. I've done some digging and I have answered a number of my questions. I've read that the tapes will be able to be read by the newer version. I also found that Scott (and others) do still make the rpms and that they're on sourceforge. I see that there is no rh7 rpm built though, so I downloaded the srpm and tried to compile it with this command: rpmbuild -ba --define build_client_only 1 --define build_rh7 1 rpmbuild/SPECS/bacula.spec It's failing, complaining of a build-time requirement of libxml2-devel, yet I can find no libxml2 and libxml2-devel for RH7.1 on the Red Hat archive site in the original release or the updates to it. I don't know how to proceed. I noticed in the manual section on building rpms that there were permission changes between 1.36 and 1.38. I'll watch out for that when moving to the latest release, but was wondering if the rpms just take care of fixing it if needed? I also see that the scripts needed to do the db upgrade yoou mentioned are in an rpm from Scott, so I should be ok there. My main problem is building that rh7 client ... suggestions anyone? Build from source. A site that I help administer has an old 7.1 machine with no CDROM (I removed it to add another hard disk), and I build everything from source. -- -ste - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Questions regarding upgrading old bacula version (rpm install)
On 4/7/07, Kern Sibbald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Build from source. A site that I help administer has an old 7.1 machine with no CDROM (I removed it to add another hard disk), and I build everything from source. Ok. I did that for my RH7.1 and RHLAS2.1AS systems. Shortly, I'll be done upgrading the RPMs on my RH9 systems with the RPM Scott provides. Question: for my Windows Server 2000 boxes, do I uninstall the current winbacula client and then install the newer one, or do I install the newer one over the current one? Then it'll be on to upgrading the backup server itself. Joy. -- -ste - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
