Resurrection of Christ
One issue of major importance for Baha'is with relation to Christians is the resurrection of Jesus. The resurrection is connected to the ascension and return of Christ. If there was a bodily resurrection then there was a bodily ascension and the return of Christ would be the very same person returning. One thing I don't know how to explain well is 'Abdu'l-Baha's explanation. The explanation He gives certainly doesn't appear to agree with the resurrection narratives. 'Abdu'l-Baha says that the resurrection was the disciples regaining their faith. However, the narratives have the regaining of faith something that happens AFTER the resurrection. Furthermore, they have Jesus as helping them get their faith back, whereas 'Abdu'l-Baha says they got it back by themselves. When 'Abdu'l-Baha gives biblical proof it is not from the narratives. Hence I don't see how to prove that the resurrection had anything to do with the disciples. Any thoughts? Regards,DavidRead the latest Hollywood gossip at XtraMSN Entertainment The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Resurrection of Christ
Well, Abdu'l Baha says there was no physical resurrection. In my mind the Apostles of Christ may well have seen Christ amongst them as a spiritual form beyond their comprehension.What ever else happened during that time, and however the Spirit of Christ amongst them is represented, the REAL resurrection was the resurrection of the Cause of God amongst the followers of Christ. Without that specific event, Jesus would have had no more impact on civilization than Mani had.Regards, ScottDavid Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One issue of major importance for Baha'is with relation to Christians is the resurrection of Jesus. The resurrection is connected to the ascension and return of Christ. If there was a bodily resurrection then there was a bodily ascension and the return of Christ would be the very same person returning. One thing I don't know how to explain well is 'Abdu'l-Baha's explanation. The explanation He gives certainly doesn't appear to agree with the resurrection narratives. 'Abdu'l-Baha says that the resurrection was the disciples regaining their faith. However, the narratives have the regaining of faith something that happens AFTER the resurrection. Furthermore, they have Jesus as helping them get their faith back, whereas 'Abdu'l-Baha says they got it back by themselves. When 'Abdu'l-Baha gives biblical proof it is not from the narratives. Hence I don't see how to prove that the resurrection had anything to do with the disciples. Any thoughts?Regards,DavidRead the latest Hollywood gossip at XtraMSN Entertainment The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu As human beings, we are endowed with freedom of choice, and we cannot shuffle off our responsibility upon the shoulders of God or nature. We must shoulder it ourselves. It is our responsibility. Arnold J. Toynbee __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Is it okay? . . . .
. . . to announce the publication of a novel I have written, with some references and quotes from the Baha`i faith tucked away within the story, on this list? The book comes out in February and is available for pre-order at the moment.Regards, Scott The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. As human beings, we are endowed with freedom of choice, and we cannot shuffle off our responsibility upon the shoulders of God or nature. We must shoulder it ourselves. It is our responsibility. Arnold J. Toynbee __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Resurrection of Christ
1. Abdu'l-Baha refers, as well, to Mary Magdelena as the reason for the return of the faith of the disciples. "O maid-servant of God! Verily, Mary, the Magdalene, was a villager, but she kept firm in the Cause of Christ and confirmed the apostles at the time she declared to them (thus): "Verily, Christ is alive and eternal and death did not overtake Him; and verily, the foundation of His religion is not shaken by His crucifixion at the hand of the oppressors!" By this her face is eternally shining from the horizon of guidance." (Abdu'l-Baha, Tablets of Abdu'l-Baha v2, p. 268) 2. Perhaps if one were to approach the issue of "resurrection of the body" from the perspective of these verses; the task might not be so difficult. It would seem that the Christian will the need to face the fact that as "eating" cannot be taken literally' then the use of the word "bread" cannot be so taken. He might then be willing to conclude that bodily ascension is probably not what is meant by the word "ascended". :6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. (King James Bible, John) Richard. - Original Message - From: David Friedman To: Baha'i Studies Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:25 AM Subject: Resurrection of Christ One issue of major importance for Baha'is with relation to Christians is the resurrection of Jesus. The resurrection is connected to the ascension and return of Christ. If there was a bodily resurrection then there was a bodily ascension and the return of Christ would be the very same person returning. One thing I don't know how to explain well is 'Abdu'l-Baha's explanation. The explanation He gives certainly doesn't appear to agree with the resurrection narratives. 'Abdu'l-Baha says that the resurrection was the disciples regaining their faith. However, the narratives have the regaining of faith something that happens AFTER the resurrection. Furthermore, they have Jesus as helping them get their faith back, whereas 'Abdu'l-Baha says they got it back by themselves. When 'Abdu'l-Baha gives biblical proof it is not from the narratives. Hence I don't see how to prove that the resurrection had anything to do with the disciples. Any thoughts? Regards,David Read the latest Hollywood gossip at XtraMSN Entertainment The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Is it okay? . . . .
Well, even if it's _not_ okay, the least you could do now that you've tantalized some of us is to tell us the name of the book! ;-) --Sekhmet In a message dated 10/10/06 8:30:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . . . to announce the publication of a novel I have written, with some references and quotes from the Baha`i faith tucked away within the story, on this list? The book comes out in February and is available for pre-order at the moment. Regards, Scott The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Is it okay? . . . .
Congratulations, Scott. Tell us about your book. - Original Message - From: Scott Saylors [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 7:30 am Subject: Is it okay? . . . . To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu . . . to announce the publication of a novel I have written, with some references and quotes from the Baha`i faith tucked away within the story, on this list? The book comes out in February and is available for pre-order at the moment. Regards, Scott As human beings, we are endowed with freedom of choice, and we cannot shuffle off our responsibility upon the shoulders of God or nature. We must shoulder it ourselves. It is our responsibility. Arnold J. Toynbee The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-251322- [EMAIL PROTECTED]: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Is it okay? . . . .
Okay, I'll bite the bullet. If it turns out it's not okay, just delete the message, Susan.The title is Sword of the Dajjal, you can find the pre-sale announcement at: http://www.capripublishing.net/ click on books, click on Sci-Fi and scroll down.It is science fiction set 600 years in the future. The assumption is that even if technology allowed all the folks with a grudge to leave for parts unknown, you never out run a problem you haven't solved.From Wikpedia: ' al-Dajjal (Arabic: , al-dajjl) ("The Deceiver/impostor/quack"[1]) is an evil figure in Islamic eschatology, who will appear before Yawm al-Qiyamah. He is similar to the Antichrist in Christianity "Dajjal" in itself is a commonly use Arabic word, "Dajjals" could refer to "False prophets". "Al-Dajjal" on the other hand translates to "The Impostor", refering to a specific end-of time deceiver. It is worthy to note that the term Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal (Arabic for "The False Messiah") is a literal translation of the Syriac term "Meshiha Deghala", which had been in the common vocabulary of the Middle East for more than 400 years prior to the Quran via the Peshitta (which uses that term instead of the Greek "antichristos").[1] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, even if it's _not_ okay, the least you could do now that you've tantalized some of us is to tell us the name of the book! ;-)--SekhmetIn a message dated 10/10/06 8:30:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:. . . to announce the publication of a novel I have written, with somereferences and quotes from the Baha`i faith tucked away within the story,on this list? The book comes out in February and is available for pre-orderat the moment. Regards, ScottThe information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you.__You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-stBaha'i Studies is available through the following:Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.eduWeb - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-stNews - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-stPublic - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaistOld Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.netNew Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu As human beings, we are endowed with freedom of choice, and we cannot shuffle off our responsibility upon the shoulders of God or nature. We must shoulder it ourselves. It is our responsibility. Arnold J. Toynbee __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Is it okay? . . . .
So this is an ebook? - Original Message - From: Scott Saylors [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:12 pm Subject: Re: Is it okay? . . . . To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Okay, I'll bite the bullet. If it turns out it's not okay, just delete the message, Susan. The title is Sword of the Dajjal, you can find the pre-sale announcement at: http://www.capripublishing.net/ click on books, click on Sci-Fi and scroll down. It is science fiction set 600 years in the future. The assumption is that even if technology allowed all the folks with a grudge to leave for parts unknown, you never out run a problem you haven't solved. From Wikpedia: ' al-Dajjal (Arabic: #1575;#1604;#1583;#1617;#1580;#1617;#1575;#1604;, al- dajj#257;l) (The Deceiver/impostor/quack[1]) is an evil figure in Islamic eschatology, who will appear before Yawm al-Qiyamah. He is similar to the Antichrist in Christianity Dajjal in itself is a commonly use Arabic word, Dajjals could refer to False prophets. Al-Dajjal on the other hand translates to The Impostor, refering to a specific end-of time deceiver. It is worthy to note that the term Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal (Arabic for The False Messiah) is a literal translation of the Syriac term Meshiha Deghala, which had been in the common vocabulary of the Middle East for more than 400 years prior to the Quran via the Peshitta (which uses that term instead of the Greek antichristos).[1] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, even if it's _not_ okay, the least you could do now that you've tantalized some of us is to tell us the name of the book! ;-) --Sekhmet In a message dated 10/10/06 8:30:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . . . to announce the publication of a novel I have written, with somereferences and quotes from the Baha`i faith tucked away within the story, on this list? The book comes out in February and is available for pre-order at the moment. Regards, Scott The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu As human beings, we are endowed with freedom of choice, and we cannot shuffle off our responsibility upon the shoulders of God or nature. We must shoulder it ourselves. It is our responsibility. Arnold J. Toynbee __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-251439- [EMAIL PROTECTED]: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public -
Re: Is it okay? . . . .
No, it will be a trade back (6X9 soft cover). I haven't sold e-book rights as yet.Scott[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So this is an ebook? - Original Message -From: Scott Saylors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:12 pmSubject: Re: Is it okay? . . . .To: Baha'i StudiesOkay, I'll bite the bullet. If it turns out it's not okay, just delete the message, Susan. The title is Sword of the Dajjal, you can find the pre-sale announcement at: http://www.capripublishing.net/ click on books, click on Sci-Fi and scroll down. It is science fiction set 600 years in the future. The assumption is that even if technology allowed all the folks with a grudge to leave for parts unknown, you never out run a problem you haven't solved. From Wikpedia: ' al-Dajjal (Arabic: , al- dajjl) ("The Deceiver/impostor/quack"[1]) is an evil figure in Islamic eschatology, who will appear before Yawm al-Qiyamah. He is similar to the Antichrist in Christianity "Dajjal" in itself is a commonly use Arabic word, "Dajjals" could refer to "False prophets". "Al-Dajjal" on the other hand translates to "The Impostor", refering to a specific end-of time deceiver. It is worthy to note that the term Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal (Arabic for "The False Messiah") is a literal translation of the Syriac term "Meshiha Deghala", which had been in the common vocabulary of the Middle East for more than 400 years prior to the Quran via the Peshitta (which uses that term instead of the Greek "antichristos").[1] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, even if it's _not_ okay, the least you could do now that you've tantalized some of us is to tell us the name of the book! ;-) --Sekhmet In a message dated 10/10/06 8:30:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . . . to announce the publication of a novel I have written, with somereferences and quotes from the Baha`i faith tucked away within the story, on this list? The book comes out in February and is available for pre-order at the moment. Regards, Scott The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you.__ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.eduAs human beings, we are endowed with freedom of choice, and we cannot shuffle off our responsibility upon the shoulders of God or nature. We must shoulder it ourselves. It is our responsibility. Arnold J. Toynbee__ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-251439- [EMAIL PROTECTED]: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public -
Re: Is it okay? . . . .
Hello Scott, to announce the publication of a novel I have written, with some references and quotes from the Baha`i faith tucked away within the story, Since it contains quotes and referencesabout the Faith, did you have to get approval from the Baha'i review committeewhere you live? I am interested because I also would like to write, so I want to understand the rules. Rob Stockman has written something about this, for the U.S., but I don't have his notes.Tim Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Is it okay? . . . .
The quote is unattributed and the word "Baha`i" is only used in reference to individuals. The main character never discloses his religion, and I say nothing that might be construed as an offical stance.An alien asks the main character "What is it that your Persian Prophets said of this?"And a brief quote from the Hidden Words is the response.Tim Nolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello Scott, to announce the publication of a novel I have written, with some references and quotes from the Baha`i faith tucked away within the story, Since it contains quotes and referencesabout the Faith, did you have to get approval from the Baha'i review committeewhere you live? I am interested because I also would like to write, so I want to understand the rules. Rob Stockman has written something about this, for the U.S., but I don't have his notes.Tim Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu As human beings, we are endowed with freedom of choice, and we cannot shuffle off our responsibility upon the shoulders of God or nature. We must shoulder it ourselves. It is our responsibility. Arnold J. Toynbee __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Is it okay? . . . .
I thought it might help to actually quote from the text of the book: " . . .Such agony and destruction puzzles One. One cannot understand why one segment of your society should wish to impose its will on the rest of your people, by manipulating them with violence and terror. A people subjugated will never be a Unity. So say the Prophets of Ones people, so say the Prophets of humanity as well. One expects the people of a place and time to strive to deal honestly with one another, being frank and above board about needs and desires so the people can find a path which harms none and welcomes all. A teacher from the mosque said, But Muhammad, praise be upon Him, says if it had been Gods intent to make us all one people, He would have done so. Is a consensus of the people sufficient to do right? Ones prophets say, Ones people were made divided in intent and desire so that Ones people would strive to achieve Unity, and win a place with the Creator in the next existence. The Ahnal turned to Malcolm, What is it your Prophet said about the unity of men? Malcolm knew this one by heart. He said: `Know ye not why We created you all from the same dust? That no one should exalt himself over the other. Ponder at all times in your hearts how ye were created. Since We have created you all from one same substance it is incumbent on you to be even as one soul. . .. Yes, Captain Cristobal, that is what One recalled. He turned to the Mullah and said, One believes that your Prophet, Who should be praised, also said much the same. One is a humble student of the religion of both species, since One believes that there was but a single Creator. The Mullah nodded his head thoughtfully; It would please me greatly if you might visit my Mosque, honored Paoli Anahl. It seems that in an age where we can reach out our hands, and embrace more and more of Allahs Creation we see more and more how we all are His creatures, whatever our form might be. The Paolis music was rich and grand. Yes, One will certainly do so, if the demands of the service allow.(The Pa'oli are a species which only becomes truly sapient when bonded in mated pairs.) Tim Nolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello Scott, to announce the publication of a novel I have written, with some references and quotes from the Baha`i faith tucked away within the story, Since it contains quotes and referencesabout the Faith, did you have to get approval from the Baha'i review committeewhere you live? I am interested because I also would like to write, so I want to understand the rules. Rob Stockman has written something about this, for the U.S., but I don't have his notes.Tim Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu As human beings, we are endowed with freedom of choice, and we cannot shuffle off our responsibility upon the shoulders of God or nature. We must shoulder it ourselves. It is our responsibility. Arnold J. Toynbee __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public -
Re: Is it okay? . . . .
Is "One" the name of a character in this book? - Original Message - From: Scott Saylors To: Baha'i Studies Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:12 AM Subject: Re: Is it okay? . . . . I thought it might help to actually quote from the text of the book: " . . .Such agony and destruction puzzles One. One cannot understand why one segment of your society should wish to impose its will on the rest of your people, by manipulating them with violence and terror. A people subjugated will never be a Unity. So say the Prophets of Ones people, so say the Prophets of humanity as well. One expects the people of a place and time to strive to deal honestly with one another, being frank and above board about needs and desires so the people can find a path which harms none and welcomes all. A teacher from the mosque said, But Muhammad, praise be upon Him, says if it had been Gods intent to make us all one people, He would have done so. Is a consensus of the people sufficient to do right? Ones prophets say, Ones people were made divided in intent and desire so that Ones people would strive to achieve Unity, and win a place with the Creator in the next existence. The Ahnal turned to Malcolm, What is it your Prophet said about the unity of men? Malcolm knew this one by heart. He said: `Know ye not why We created you all from the same dust? That no one should exalt himself over the other. Ponder at all times in your hearts how ye were created. Since We have created you all from one same substance it is incumbent on you to be even as one soul. . .. Yes, Captain Cristobal, that is what One recalled. He turned to the Mullah and said, One believes that your Prophet, Who should be praised, also said much the same. One is a humble student of the religion of both species, since One believes that there was but a single Creator. The Mullah nodded his head thoughtfully; It would please me greatly if you might visit my Mosque, honored Paoli Anahl. It seems that in an age where we can reach out our hands, and embrace more and more of Allahs Creation we see more and more how we all are His creatures, whatever our form might be. The Paolis music was rich and grand. Yes, One will certainly do so, if the demands of the service allow. (The Pa'oli are a species which only becomes truly sapient when bonded in mated pairs.) Tim Nolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Scott, to announce the publication of a novel I have written, with some references and quotes from the Baha`i faith tucked away within the story, Since it contains quotes and referencesabout the Faith, did you have to get approval from the Baha'i review committeewhere you live? I am interested because I also would like to write, so I want to understand the rules. Rob Stockman has written something about this, for the U.S., but I don't have his notes. Tim Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu As human beings, we are endowed with freedom of choice, and we cannot shuffle off our responsibility upon the shoulders of God or nature. We must shoulder it ourselves. It is our responsibility. Arnold J. Toynbee