[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
some of the things he did get in meticulous detail just have us wondering, like (especially) the vacant string slots in the nut, and the rose carving, the red basses, and the white buttons on the ends of the pegs on only the bass side of the 1st pegbox.. The dimples in her pudgy little mitts are an added attraction. hay, maybe her first two pegs crapped out forcing her to relocate the strings? Those pegs look a little underdeveloped. Yet another (obtuse) angle on the story. - Original Message - From: "Howard Posner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "baroque lute list" Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:51 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > On Sunday, Mar 4, 2007, at 08:24 America/Los_Angeles, Dale Young wrote: > >>Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for >> 18th >> century west & central european terrestrial lute. >ail. > > >meticulously correct detail > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
Yes it is a puzzle. But was the artist a run-of-the-mill jobbing chap? And who commissioned the portrait and who paid for it, maybe the admirer/husband/patron didn't notice or care and the lady herself might perhaps not have had much of a say? Still the anomalies between sitter and instrument are odd. David At 13:15 -0400 1/4/07, Roman Turovsky wrote: >I am not 100% convinced. Mme Keyserlinck was not a run-of-the-mill cutie, >but a noted virtuosa. >RT > >- Original Message - >From: "David Van Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Roman >Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:06 PM >Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >>I think Dale's right, it IS a prop, but still interesting as an >> instrument, that is it probably is not a fake in the Franciolini >> sense. Though I do now agree that, given the fret spacings, we >> probably can't be certain the the bridge spacings show a double top >> course and 12 courses rather than singel top and second and 13 >> courses. The red basses remain as evidence though. >> >> David >> >> >> At 12:49 -0500 4/3/07, Dale Young wrote: >>>Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct ? >>>Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string spacing >>> to >>>accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long >>>fingerboard >>>with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies and >>>gentlemen. >>> She's still cute. >>>Dale >>>- Original Message - >>>From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>"Dale >>>Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM >>>Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>> >>> There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. RT - Original Message - From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > Okay, > If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string > spacing compressed > toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not > from > it. Just me? > Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for > 18th > century west & central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step > on > anyone's toes here. Might be "the thing" for "air lute") > Dale > - Original Message - > From: "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >> Dear List, >> I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful >> lady. >> I >> think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the >> distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers >> of a >> young lady. >> do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are >> wound >> with copper? >> I counted 13 frets - not unusual. >> >> regards from austria, >> peter >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM >> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >> >> As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for >> reality.Which >> makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. >> Too >> bad, >> she's probably dead by now. >>Dale >> - Original Message - >> From: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "baroque lute list" >> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:46 PM >> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >> >> >>>I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside >>> the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully >>> upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, >>> keeping >>> the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole time. >>> I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla Mary >>> Burwel. >>> >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> -- >> The Smokehouse, >>
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
Yeah, I know. We're just typing here. and always looking for approval, reinforcement and community. I depend on a fair amount of artistic license calling myself a lute player. - Original Message - From: "Howard Posner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "baroque lute list" Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:51 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > On Sunday, Mar 4, 2007, at 08:24 America/Los_Angeles, Dale Young wrote: > >>Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for >> 18th >> century west & central european terrestrial lute. > > It's not a photograph and a painter is not a luthier. There's no > reason a painter would expend the effort to reproduce string or fret > spacing in meticulously correct detail. > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
Maybe a misattribution on my part. I saw it on a website years ago about Herr. Kropffganss. The portrait was of a fairly androgenous person, and I think it was titled " La Musique". Must be from a series of "arts" portraits by Fragonnard. D. - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > No, but I'd be anxious to. > RT > - Original Message - > From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "BAROQUE-LUTE" > > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 3:41 PM > Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >> That's it. Thanks! It's an 11 course. Great picture. >> Now, do you know anything about a Fragonard painting that I've seen >> linked with J. Kropffganss? >>Dale >> - Original Message - >> From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" ; "Dale Young" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >> >> >>> If you meant http://masaccio.livejournal.com >>> then go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1711kupetzky.jpg >>> RT >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" ; "Roman Turovsky" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 3:17 PM >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>> >>> Maybe the painter was messing with us Or he originally did two identical paintings only one of them had some errors we were supposed to spot. And the "correct" painting is hidden in an attic in Dusseldorf...Yeah that's it! Anyhow, Roman, You have a really cool picture on your video site of a lautespieler (13 course/rider/reflex pegbox) with a great hat and coat. Can I get a larger format download of that? Dale - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:15 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >I am not 100% convinced. Mme Keyserlinck was not a run-of-the-mill >cutie, > but a noted virtuosa. > RT > > - Original Message - > From: "David Van Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > "Roman > Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:06 PM > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >>I think Dale's right, it IS a prop, but still interesting as an >> instrument, that is it probably is not a fake in the Franciolini >> sense. Though I do now agree that, given the fret spacings, we >> probably can't be certain the the bridge spacings show a double top >> course and 12 courses rather than singel top and second and 13 >> courses. The red basses remain as evidence though. >> >> David >> >> >> At 12:49 -0500 4/3/07, Dale Young wrote: >>>Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct >>>? >>> Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string >>> spacing >>> to >>>accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long >>>fingerboard >>>with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies >>>and >>>gentlemen. >>> She's still cute. >>> Dale >>>- Original Message - >>>From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>"Dale >>>Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM >>>Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>> >>> There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. RT - Original Message - From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > Okay, >If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the > string > spacing compressed > toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not > from > it. Just me? >Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least > for > 18th > century west & central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to > step > on > anyone's toes here. Might be "the thing" for "air lute") > Dale > - Original Message - > From: "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed > Durbro
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
On Sunday, Mar 4, 2007, at 08:24 America/Los_Angeles, Dale Young wrote: >Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for > 18th > century west & central european terrestrial lute. It's not a photograph and a painter is not a luthier. There's no reason a painter would expend the effort to reproduce string or fret spacing in meticulously correct detail. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
No, but I'd be anxious to. RT - Original Message - From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > That's it. Thanks! It's an 11 course. Great picture. > Now, do you know anything about a Fragonard painting that I've seen > linked with J. Kropffganss? >Dale > - Original Message - > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" ; "Dale Young" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:25 PM > Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >> If you meant http://masaccio.livejournal.com >> then go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1711kupetzky.jpg >> RT >> - Original Message - >> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" ; "Roman Turovsky" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 3:17 PM >> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >> >> >>> Maybe the painter was messing with us Or he originally did two identical >>> paintings only one of them had some errors we were supposed to spot. And >>> the >>> "correct" painting is hidden in an attic in Dusseldorf...Yeah that's it! >>> >>> Anyhow, Roman, You have a really cool picture on your video site of a >>> lautespieler (13 course/rider/reflex pegbox) with a great hat and coat. >>> Can >>> I get a larger format download of that? >>> Dale >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" >>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:15 PM >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>> >>> I am not 100% convinced. Mme Keyserlinck was not a run-of-the-mill cutie, but a noted virtuosa. RT - Original Message - From: "David Van Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >I think Dale's right, it IS a prop, but still interesting as an > instrument, that is it probably is not a fake in the Franciolini > sense. Though I do now agree that, given the fret spacings, we > probably can't be certain the the bridge spacings show a double top > course and 12 courses rather than singel top and second and 13 > courses. The red basses remain as evidence though. > > David > > > At 12:49 -0500 4/3/07, Dale Young wrote: >>Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct ? >> Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string >> spacing >> to >>accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long >>fingerboard >>with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies >>and >>gentlemen. >> She's still cute. >> Dale >>- Original Message - >>From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>"Dale >>Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM >>Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >> >> >>> There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. >>> RT >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed >>> Durbrow" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>> >>> Okay, If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string spacing compressed > toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not >>> from it. Just me? Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for 18th century west & central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step on anyone's toes here. Might be "the thing" for "air lute") Dale - Original Message - From: "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > Dear List, > I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the > beautiful > lady. > I > think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and > the > distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller > fingers > of a > young lady. > do you think the red color of the bass strings is because t
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
That's it. Thanks! It's an 11 course. Great picture. Now, do you know anything about a Fragonard painting that I've seen linked with J. Kropffganss? Dale - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" ; "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > If you meant http://masaccio.livejournal.com > then go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1711kupetzky.jpg > RT > - Original Message - > From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" ; "Roman Turovsky" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 3:17 PM > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >> Maybe the painter was messing with us Or he originally did two identical >> paintings only one of them had some errors we were supposed to spot. And >> the >> "correct" painting is hidden in an attic in Dusseldorf...Yeah that's it! >> >> Anyhow, Roman, You have a really cool picture on your video site of a >> lautespieler (13 course/rider/reflex pegbox) with a great hat and coat. >> Can >> I get a larger format download of that? >> Dale >> - Original Message - >> From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" >> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:15 PM >> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >> >> >>>I am not 100% convinced. Mme Keyserlinck was not a run-of-the-mill cutie, >>> but a noted virtuosa. >>> RT >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "David Van Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Cc: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>> "Roman >>> Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:06 PM >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>> >>> I think Dale's right, it IS a prop, but still interesting as an instrument, that is it probably is not a fake in the Franciolini sense. Though I do now agree that, given the fret spacings, we probably can't be certain the the bridge spacings show a double top course and 12 courses rather than singel top and second and 13 courses. The red basses remain as evidence though. David At 12:49 -0500 4/3/07, Dale Young wrote: >Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct ? > Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string > spacing > to >accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long >fingerboard >with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies and >gentlemen. > She's still cute. > Dale >- Original Message - >From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >"Dale >Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM >Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >> There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. >> RT >> - Original Message - >> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed >> Durbrow" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM >> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >> >> >>> Okay, >>>If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the >>> string >>> spacing compressed > toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not >>> >> from >>> it. Just me? >>>Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for >>> 18th >>> century west & central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to >>> step >>> on >>> anyone's toes here. Might be "the thing" for "air lute") >>> Dale >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed >>> Durbrow" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>> >>> Dear List, I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful lady. I think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a young lady. do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound with copper? I counted 13 frets - not unusual. regards from austria, peter - Original Message - From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: [BAROQU
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
I got to it somehow from the youTube preformance that you posted. Here's a small version of the picture. Dale - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >I have no idea which video site that may be. > RT > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" ; "Roman Turovsky" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 3:17 PM > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >> Maybe the painter was messing with us Or he originally did two identical >> paintings only one of them had some errors we were supposed to spot. And >> the >> "correct" painting is hidden in an attic in Dusseldorf...Yeah that's it! >> >> Anyhow, Roman, You have a really cool picture on your video site of a >> lautespieler (13 course/rider/reflex pegbox) with a great hat and coat. >> Can >> I get a larger format download of that? >> Dale >> - Original Message - >> From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" >> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:15 PM >> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >> >> >>>I am not 100% convinced. Mme Keyserlinck was not a run-of-the-mill cutie, >>> but a noted virtuosa. >>> RT >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "David Van Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Cc: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>> "Roman >>> Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:06 PM >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>> >>> I think Dale's right, it IS a prop, but still interesting as an instrument, that is it probably is not a fake in the Franciolini sense. Though I do now agree that, given the fret spacings, we probably can't be certain the the bridge spacings show a double top course and 12 courses rather than singel top and second and 13 courses. The red basses remain as evidence though. David At 12:49 -0500 4/3/07, Dale Young wrote: >Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct ? > Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string > spacing > to >accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long >fingerboard >with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies and >gentlemen. > She's still cute. > Dale >- Original Message - >From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >"Dale >Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM >Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >> There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. >> RT >> - Original Message - >> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed >> Durbrow" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM >> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >> >> >>> Okay, >>>If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the >>> string >>> spacing compressed > toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not >>> >> from >>> it. Just me? >>>Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for >>> 18th >>> century west & central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to >>> step >>> on >>> anyone's toes here. Might be "the thing" for "air lute") >>> Dale >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed >>> Durbrow" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>> >>> Dear List, I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful lady. I think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a young lady. do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound with copper? I counted 13 frets - not unusual. regards from austria, peter - Original Message - From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for >>
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: esne
It is a sonata movement by Friedrich himself. So there would be no tab. RT - Original Message - From: "Ron Fletcher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:22 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: esne >I seem to have missed the thread on Pesne in my recent absence. > > In trying to to pick up on it, I came across this site... > > http://www.exulanten.com/portrait.html > > Can anyone identify the background music? > > Is it available in Fronimo or a PDF file for baroque-lute? > 10-course tablature might be preferred for a lot of ren-only players. > > Best Wishes to all > > Ron (UK) > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
