Maybe a misattribution on my part. I saw it on a website years ago about Herr. Kropffganss. The portrait was of a fairly androgenous person, and I think it was titled " La Musique". Must be from a series of "arts" portraits by Fragonnard. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "BAROQUE-LUTE" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
> No, but I'd be anxious to. > RT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "BAROQUE-LUTE" > <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 3:41 PM > Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne > > >> That's it. Thanks! It's an 11 course. Great picture. >> Now, do you know anything about a Fragonard painting that I've seen >> linked with J. Kropffganss? >> Dale >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Dale Young" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >> >> >>> If you meant http://masaccio.livejournal.com >>> then go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1711kupetzky.jpg >>> RT >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Roman Turovsky" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 3:17 PM >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>> >>> >>>> Maybe the painter was messing with us Or he originally did two >>>> identical >>>> paintings only one of them had some errors we were supposed to spot. >>>> And the >>>> "correct" painting is hidden in an attic in Dusseldorf...Yeah that's >>>> it! >>>> >>>> Anyhow, Roman, You have a really cool picture on your video site of a >>>> lautespieler (13 course/rider/reflex pegbox) with a great hat and coat. >>>> Can >>>> I get a larger format download of that? >>>> Dale >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:15 PM >>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>> >>>> >>>>>I am not 100% convinced. Mme Keyserlinck was not a run-of-the-mill >>>>>cutie, >>>>> but a noted virtuosa. >>>>> RT >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "David Van Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Cc: "baroque lute list" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Ed Durbrow" >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>>> "Roman >>>>> Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:06 PM >>>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I think Dale's right, it IS a prop, but still interesting as an >>>>>> instrument, that is it probably is not a fake in the Franciolini >>>>>> sense. Though I do now agree that, given the fret spacings, we >>>>>> probably can't be certain the the bridge spacings show a double top >>>>>> course and 12 courses rather than singel top and second and 13 >>>>>> courses. The red basses remain as evidence though. >>>>>> >>>>>> David >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> At 12:49 -0500 4/3/07, Dale Young wrote: >>>>>>>Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct >>>>>>>? >>>>>>> Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string >>>>>>> spacing >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long >>>>>>>fingerboard >>>>>>>with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies >>>>>>>and >>>>>>>gentlemen. >>>>>>> She's still cute. >>>>>>> Dale >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>To: "baroque lute list" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Ed Durbrow" >>>>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>>>>>"Dale >>>>>>>Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM >>>>>>>Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. >>>>>>>> RT >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> To: "baroque lute list" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Ed >>>>>>>> Durbrow" >>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter rauscher" >>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Okay, >>>>>>>>> If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the >>>>>>>>> string >>>>>>>>> spacing compressed > toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not >>>>>>>>> <away >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> it. Just me? >>>>>>>>> Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> 18th >>>>>>>>> century west & central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to >>>>>>>>> step >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> anyone's toes here. Might be "the thing" for "air lute") >>>>>>>>> Dale >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "peter rauscher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>> To: "baroque lute list" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Ed >>>>>>>>> Durbrow" >>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear List, >>>>>>>>>> I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the >>>>>>>>>> beautiful >>>>>>>>>> lady. >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller >>>>>>>>>> fingers >>>>>>>>>> of a >>>>>>>>>> young lady. >>>>>>>>>> do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> wound >>>>>>>>>> with copper? >>>>>>>>>> I counted 13 frets - not unusual. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards from austria, >>>>>>>>>> peter >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> To: "baroque lute list" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Ed >>>>>>>>>> Durbrow" >>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for >>>>>>>>>> reality.Which >>>>>>>>>> makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is >>>>>>>>>> cute. >>>>>>>>>> Too >>>>>>>>>> bad, >>>>>>>>>> she's probably dead by now. >>>>>>>>>> Dale >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> To: "baroque lute list" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:46 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is >>>>>>>>>>>outside >>>>>>>>>>> the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand >>>>>>>>>>> gracefully >>>>>>>>>>> upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, >>>>>>>>>>> keeping >>>>>>>>>>> the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole >>>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla >>>>>>>>>>> Mary >>>>>>>>>>> Burwel. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The Smokehouse, >>>>>> 6 Whitwell Road, >>>>>> Norwich, NR1 4HB >>>>>> England. >>>>>> >>>>>> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >>>>>> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Need personalized email and website? 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