[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: London Weiss manuscript is online
I just downloaded the entire manuscript with no problem. Images appear to be 4959x7017 (at least on the one I extracted from the PDF. It appears they fixed their download problem. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of Markus Lutz Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 2:49 AM To: Barocklautenliste Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] London Weiss manuscript is online Dear members of the baroque lute list, Tim Crawford has written, that now the London Weiss manuscript is online. It can be viewed and also be downloaded via the following link: http://access.bl.uk/item/viewer/ark:/81055/vdc_100059002407.0x01 It seems as if only downloading single jpgs works (at least for me). It is a very good scan, although the given resolution isn't that detailed. But you can look online into the pages in a very high resolution! Best regards Markus -- Markus Lutz Schulstraße 11 88422 Bad Buchau Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail mar...@gmlutz.de To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The Baroque Lute Companion
It is available here: http://www.luteonline.se/lundgren-edition/companion.htm And https://www.bems.com/music.html?q_c=74 I would recommend checking out Yisrael, Miguel Method for the Baroque Lute. A practical guide for beginning and advanced lutenists http://www.utorpheus.com/product_info.php?products_id=1987 as well. Good tutor plus nice collection of pieces. Regards David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of David Rastall Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 11:14 AM To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] The Baroque Lute Companion Does anyone have a copy of S. Lungren’s Baroque Lute Companion that they no longer need, or for whatever reason would be willing to part with? David R To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms NYPL Mus. Res. *MYO online
And the PDF of the entire document can be found at http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/ title NYPL Music Reserve MYO. The file is 81MB. I tried to get the TIFF files but they are 177MB each and only about the first 15 are available. These are good enough resolution to play from. Have fun! Regard David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Ralf Bachmann Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 2:01 PM To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Ms NYPL Mus. Res. *MYO online [1]http://digitalcollections.nypl.org/items/6b020d00-d0d6-0132-22a3-58d 385a7b928#/?uuid=6b020d00-d0d6-0132-22a3-58d385a7b928 Saludos, Ralf Bachmann -- References 1. http://digitalcollections.nypl.org/items/6b020d00-d0d6-0132-22a3-58d385a7b928#/?uuid=6b020d00-d0d6-0132-22a3-58d385a7b928 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Request from beginner
Being a relatively new comer to the Baroque Lute I can sympathize. You might want to look at: http://www.lutesociety.org/pages/comparison-of-baroque-lute-tutors I found Miguel Yisrael's Method for the Baroque Lute (http://www.utorpheus.com/product_info.php?products_id=1987) to be quite helpful. Lots of music plus clear directions on how to play. Good luck. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of john Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 11:54 PM To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Request from beginner Hello Baroque Lute group, I was wondering if anyone could recommend a few lute pieces for a complete beginner. I have just finished building a 13c Baroque Lute from David Van Edwards excellent course and have found playing it to be much different than I expected - compared to the Renaissance lute and classic guitar which I have played for over 30 years. What pieces might you recommend to get started? Thanks! -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: herzlich tut mich verlangen
Is this what you were looking for? David -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: herzlich tut mich verlangen
Sent directly. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of David Smith Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 7:32 PM To: 'Robert Barto' r.ba...@gmx.de; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: herzlich tut mich verlangen Is this what you were looking for? David -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] [BAROQUE-LUTE] The Grüssau manuscript collection (including the Parties for 2 baroque lutes)
Actually my pages also have the official link. I just made them accessible as PDF which was not available from the official link. David Sent from my iPad On Aug 24, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Markus Lutz mar...@gmlutz.de wrote: Dear lute-friends, dear Luca, and also you will find (and would have find ;-) ) the link on the baroque lute manuscripts page of Peter Steur and me, where we also include all official links on online manuscripts: http://mss.lute.de/ And for the 2 duo manuscripts in Warsaw: http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1type=msms=PL-Wu2001alang=eng http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1type=msms=PL-Wu2001blang=eng Best regards Markus Am 24.08.2014 um 11:30 schrieb Luca Manassero: Dear Kakinami-san, thank you! I am guilty to have forgotten to check your greatly maintained list first. All the best, Luca T.Kakinami on 24/08/14 04:07 wrote: Hello Luca and List, About works of Gruessau, Uniwersity of Warsaw Library's original site is, [1]http://ebuw.uw.edu.pl/dlibra/results?action=SearchActionskipSearch=truemdi rids=1server%3Atype=bothtempQueryType=-3encodelseisExpandable=onisRe mote=offroleId=-3queryType=-3dirids=1rootid=query=Gr%C3%BCssaulocalQue ryType=-3remoteQueryType=-2 or my site, [2]http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.jp/2014/03/biblioteka-uniwersytetu-warszawskie go.html ** Toshiaki Kakinami E-mail : [3]tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp Blog: [4]http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com/ Facebook: [5]https://www.facebook.com/kakinami.toshiaki ** -Original Message- From: [6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[7]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Beha lf Of Luca Manassero Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 10:13 PM To: [8]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] The Gruessau manuscript collection (including the Parties for 2 baroque lutes) Dear List, since many years I was looking for the Parties `a deux Luths that I had heard in a very dated recording of Narciso Yepes and Godelieve Monden. I had then learned that the music came from manuscript PL - Wu RM 4135, but the only way to find it had been to order the (partial) edition for two baroque lutes (11 course) edited by Gusta Goldschmidt back in 1990 for the Dutch Lute Society ([1][9]http://www.nederlandseluitvereniging.nl/). Today I (finally!) found the fac-simile on the web: in fact the whole manuscripts collection from the Gruessau Abbey (today Krzeszow), now held at the Warsaw University Library, is available at this address: [2][10]http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/. The two books of the Parties `a deux Luths (which include two transcriptions of Parties of Mr. Melante, possibly Georg Philipp Telemann) can then be downloaded at: - (1st lute) [3][11]http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/Baroque_lute/Mf%202001a%20RM%20413 5a.pdf - (2nd lute) [4][12]http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/Baroque_lute/Mf%202001b%20RM%20413 5b.pdf In case you'd like to learn a bit more about the Gruessau (Krzeszow) Mss. collection, I'd suggest a recent article by Tomasz Jez, Institute of Musicology, University of Warsaw, freely available on academia.edu ([5][13]http://www.academia.edu/1439977/Some_Remarks_About_the_Provenance_o f_the_Lute_Tablatures_from_Grussau_Krzeszow) Have a great weekend, Luca References 1. [14]http://www.nederlandseluitvereniging.nl/ 2. [15]http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/ 3. [16]http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/Baroque_lute/Mf%202001a%20RM%204135a.pdf 4. [17]http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/Baroque_lute/Mf%202001b%20RM%204135b.pdf 5. [18]http://www.academia.edu/1439977/Some_Remarks_About_the_Provenance_of_the_Lut e_Tablatures_from_Grussau_Krzeszow To get on or off this list see list information at [19]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. http://ebuw.uw.edu.pl/dlibra/results?action=SearchActionskipSearch=truemdi 2. http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.jp/2014/03/biblioteka-uniwersytetu-warszawskie 3. mailto:tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp 4. http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com/ 5. https://www.facebook.com/kakinami.toshiaki 6. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. mailto:l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 9. http://www.nederlandseluitvereniging.nl/ 10. http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/ 11. http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/Baroque_lute/Mf%202001a%20RM%20413 12. http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/Baroque_lute/Mf%202001b%20RM%20413 13. http://www.academia.edu/1439977/Some_Remarks_About_the_Provenance_o 14. http://www.nederlandseluitvereniging.nl/ 15. http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/ 16. http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/Baroque_lute/Mf%202001a%20RM%204135a.pdf 17.
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: duos with alto recorder /correction
You might try http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b90100455.r=guittarre.langEN or http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9010050g.r=Livre+de+pi%C3%A8ces+pour+l a+guittarre.langEN. I think these are the same. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of b...@symbol4.de Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 1:32 AM To: b...@symbol4.de Cc: Edgar Aichinger; baroque-lute Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: duos with alto recorder /correction sorry, the original of the 1686 book is here: http://www.gerbode.net/facsimiles/de_visee/livre_de_guitarre_v2_1686/ Gesendet: Montag, 23. Juni 2014 um 10:20 Uhr Von: b...@symbol4.de b...@symbol4.de An: Edgar Aichinger edgar.aichin...@aon.at, baroque-lute baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: duos with alto recorder Vielen Dank, Edgar! Das sieht gut aus! The original Visee can be found here: [1]http://culture.besancon.fr/ark:/48565/a011290090127TYORuz/1/1 Gruesse aus Bruessel Bernd Gesendet: Montag, 23. Juni 2014 um 09:58 Uhr Von: Edgar Aichinger edgar.aichin...@aon.at An: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: duos with alto recorder Hi Rockford and list, thanks for your reply, I've uploaded the DeVisee Suite B.C. intabulation now, see [1][2]http://de.scribd.com/doc/230913262/Robert-De-Visee-Suite-in-D-min or- 1686?in_collection486500 Greetings, Edgar Am Sonntag, 22. Juni 2014, 08:57:15 schrieb Rockford Mjos: I think these would be very useful and it shouldn't be at all hard to locate the missing melody parts. The Corelli is a little problematic for recorder in the original key (I have an alto recorder version transposed to Gm in my files), but the Sarabanda and Giga would only require a few notes to be transposed up an octave. Thanks for reminding us for these. -- R On Jun 22, 2014, at 7:22 AM, Edgar Aichinger edgar.aichin...@aon.at wrote: Am Freitag, 20. Juni 2014, 08:58:23 schrieb Ken Brodkey: Hi Everyone, A friend's friend will be visiting next month and she's an excellent alto recorder player. I'm trying to find some music for us to play together. Can anyone be so kind to send me some pdf's for baroque lute and alto recorder? What about flute? Can the recorder play most baroque flute music or is the range of the flute to broad? Thanks, in advance, for all your help. Ken Brodkey About three weeks ago I posted a link to my scribd site where I occasionally upload my own amateur intabulations/transcriptions of lute and guitar music, the latest addition being Sonata No. VII in d-minor from op.5 by Corelli, a 1:1 intabulation of a B.C. realisation for classical guitar. For that same reason it lacks low basses, and the melody part (for violin) is missing too, but can be found on IMSLP. See my other post from 2nd June for a link. I'm not sure anymore but I think I've played it with my girlfriend on alto recorder and in general it worked for her, and the Continuo may be guitar-style but isnice and not hard to play on lute, IMHO. I just wonder why noone reacted to my previous mail... my efforts may be dilettantic but are they that bad? :) Apart from that I've done tabs for the B.C. of a few other single movements by different Composers, all 4 movements from Haendel Sonata op. 1/5 in a-minor (I still have printouts of that, which I could scan, but lost the Cripps tab source due to a disk crash), and De Visee (Suite d-minor from the melody/B.C. version starting at p. 45 in the 1686 book). If you're interested in these, mail me privately and I'll see how to pass them on to you, if needed I can scan the melody parts. Edgar To get on or off this list see list information at [2][3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. [4]http://de.scribd.com/doc/230913262/Robert-De-Visee-Suite-in-D-minor- 1686?in_collection486500 2. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. http://culture.besancon.fr/ark:/48565/a011290090127TYORuz/1/1 2. http://de.scribd.com/doc/230913262/Robert-De-Visee-Suite-in-D-minor- 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://de.scribd.com/doc/230913262/Robert-De-Visee-Suite-in-D-minor-1686?in_ collection486500 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Request for help
Many of you know or know of Stephen Barber and Sandi Harris. They had a fire in their workshop last Sunday. Luckily it did not destroy their shop and they are cleaning up and recovering. Unfortunately it left a mess that needs to be cleaned up and they lost some information and materials. Luckily they did not lose their wood stash or any instruments. They are looking to sell one of their recently completed instruments to raise funds to help cleanup. It is a Voboam baroque guitar. If you know of anyone that might be interested in having a beautiful baroque guitar please have them contact Stephen and Sandi through their website [1]http://www.lutesandguitars.co.uk/. Stephen, Sandi, and neighbors battled the fire and put it out themselves. Who knows what damage might of occurred had the fire department come in with a fire hose and drenched everything. Knowing Stephen and Sandi, and having seen pictures of the workshop after the fire, this will not impede their building of instruments for very long but it will take some funds to recover. I believe they would also appreciate words of encouragement and support. Regards David -- References 1. http://www.lutesandguitars.co.uk/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New Charles Mouton CD
Thank you, thank you, thank you for including the PDF of the booklet in the MP3 version. YAY! Regards David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anders Ericson Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:55 AM To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New Charles Mouton CD Hi everyone. I am very happy to present my new CD with the fantastic music of Charles Mouton. Four suites taken from book 1 and the Prague manuscript. Check it out: [1]http://daphne.se/charles-mouton If you like this then you should also check out my first CD on the same label: [2]http://daphne.se/relic I hope that you are not offended by this commercial break! All the best / Anders Ericson -- References 1. http://daphne.se/charles-mouton 2. http://daphne.se/relic To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baroque lute MSs in Poland
The djvu files are pretty easy to manipulate. Get WinDjView and print to a pdf file (you need a pdf printer driver). If anyone wants these I can post them on a site and load ALL of them there. They are typically 10-50MB each. I have a site on dolcesfogato.com that I have posted some others to and this would be a good place. I would be happy to provide the to Sarge as well. Let me know if anyone is interested. Regards David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Rainer Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:01 AM To: Lute net; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Baroque lute MSs in Poland Dear lute netters, Recently I have posted links to several Baroque (18th century) lute manuscripts. Apparently several people have (due to the idiotic format - zipped files of 1 page djvu files) severe problems to download not to mention display the files. I have finally managed to create a decently small pdf file from one of them - 25MB. First tries ended with 400MB files ... Anyway, I am not willing to distribute such files via e-mail. If anybody can offer web (ftp?) space for these I will create more pdf files and upload them. Is Sarge on the list? Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baroque lute MSs in Poland
I just posted all 10 of the Grüssau manuscripts from the Uniwersytet Warszawski in Poland. I have included both the PDF files for Mf 2001a/RM 4135a through Mf 2011/RM 4143 and the link to the originals at the university. The links do not seem to be behaving themselves today. I do not know if ebuw.uw.edu.pl is down or what. But all of the documents are now posted at www.dolcesfogato.com/Music Let me know if these are useful or if you find any problems. Regards David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Rainer Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:01 AM To: Lute net; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Baroque lute MSs in Poland Dear lute netters, Recently I have posted links to several Baroque (18th century) lute manuscripts. Apparently several people have (due to the idiotic format - zipped files of 1 page djvu files) severe problems to download not to mention display the files. I have finally managed to create a decently small pdf file from one of them - 25MB. First tries ended with 400MB files ... Anyway, I am not willing to distribute such files via e-mail. If anybody can offer web (ftp?) space for these I will create more pdf files and upload them. Is Sarge on the list? Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: two modern pieces for Baroque lute
Very nice David. Beautiful, lyrical pieces played with exquisite sensitivity. Made my Sunday morning. I tried to find pieces by Brian Wright for Baroque lute. Has he published these or did you get them directly from him? Regards David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of David van Ooijen Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 7:38 AM To: lutelist Net; Baroque Lute List (E-mail) Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] two modern pieces for Baroque lute Brian Wright has started to compose for Baroque lute. Here are two short pieces: Winter http://youtu.be/LLFfHrYYZ5o Under the Greenwood Tree http://youtu.be/6ZX1-CDnK_w David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]
I agree that transposing Bartok piano concertos might be a bit tough.
Transposing fairly complicated choral or art song accompaniments I believe
are pretty standard. The art of accompaniment is not that of a solo artist -
what is important is that the harmonies, rhythms, and character of the music
is retained - not every not has to be retained. I suspect this is true for
lute accompaniment as well.
Regards
David
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of Stuart Walsh
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:11 PM
To: David van Ooijen
Cc: Baroque Lute List (E-mail)
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re:
A=392]
On 30/11/2011 16:37, David van Ooijen wrote:
On 30 November 2011 17:28, howard posnerhowardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote:
On Nov 30, 2011, at 7:39 AM, David van Ooijen wrote:
Ask your colleagues if they can
transpose a lute song.
What evidence do you have that he has colleagues?
ROTFLOL!
Not sure I am.
Professionals on this list don't often 'pull rank', or make a very, very
big deal of showing off their professional skills to the majority of us who
are just enthusiastic amateurs.
Firstly, I'll say I haven't looked at a lute song accompaniment in a very,
very long time. Yet, although I'd feel quite confident in having a go at
sight reading lute duets and other lute parts (depending on difficulty, of
course), I'd be far less sure about sight reading lute song accompaniments,
let alone transposing at sight! The parts are just too difficult to sight
read, let alone, transpose. Can you do this, Howard?
On the other hand, of course, players of other instruments do transpose at
sight as a matter of course. Many pianists (and other keyboard
players) can transpose at sight, though I've always assumed they were
transposing fairly simple music, not Bartok piano concertos. Do your
colleagues, do this sort of thing, David?
I have an amateur musician colleague, another teacher - of physics. He plays
trombone. Trombone players play in different clefs and in ways which mean
calculating things on the spot. In short, capaple, experienced musicians can
do all sorts of things that amateur pluckers find amazing.
But transposing lute song tablatures at sight really does seem quite a feat.
And just a bit improbable (But, to acknowledge the fact again, some
musicians can really do extraordinary things, seen from the perspective of
amateur pluckers). I can quite easily imagine a very experienced lute
player bodging ('bricolage'?) something together in a different key from
that of the tablature. But a literal transposition on spot really is pushing
it.
I'm always happy to have be proved wrong. (One of my students did so
conclusively today about something. It amused me and I learned something
- and it made his day). So could you be tested on this feat.
Have you got a webcam? I send you some tablature and you transpose it sight?
(I'll be first with the thunderous applause!!)
Stuart
And I thought I was the one giving comic relieve. You just made my
wife wonder why I start laughing behind my computer (she's in the
other room), _and_ you kept me from my job!
Thanks for both. :-)
David
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]
Just to jump in the fray. My wife is aprofessional musician, as many of you are, and I asked here if she thought it was an important skill for piano accompanists to be able to transpose on sight. Her response was a resounding yes. Now I know the piano is a more amenable for transposition instrument than the lute but I would also assume the skill would be important for accompanying singers with lute. That neither means it is common nor is it easy (having had to do instantaneous translation on the piano for my music degree and not feeling accomplished at all gives me an appreciation for the challenge). Anyway, this is not proof but an observation from another part of the musical spectrum that I think is relevant. Regards David Sent from my iPhone On Nov 30, 2011, at 7:12 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Well, I'll have another bash. What you actually wrote was 'Transposing lute song (intabulated parts) isn't that hard for an experienced player'. And yes, that does rather imply all 'experienced' players. But this isn't really the point is it? - more to it is what evidence do you have for your assertion that all these other 'experienced' players can readily transpose on sight? I'm not particularly interested in what you tell me are your personal accomplishments but in the more general application of your assertion to other players. Perhaps you might address this? Many thanks, MH --- On Wed, 30/11/11, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392 To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 30 November, 2011, 14:07 On 30 November 2011 14:46, Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I think the same general query applies to modern players too - what evidence have you for your assertion that all experienced players can transpose tablature on sight? Gosh, there goes my English again! Did I really write 'all experienced players'? Shouldn't think so. Make that 'experienced players', or read my mail again and see that's what I did write. The question should be, of course, what makes a player experienced (or good, or a pro, or a survivor in the rough world of lute song accompaniment)? Many lute song accompanists, dare I say experienced lute song accompanists, will agree transposing songs is a useful skill. Or carrying around a bag of transpositions, like Bob Spencer did. Perhaps that's what marks the experienced player: to be prepared for possible transpositions. Anyway, you mean you want to have a list of all the times I had to transpose on sight over the last 20- dd years? Or a list of the songs, or a list of the most common transpositions, most common reasons, or a rating of the relative success of my transpositions (could be embarrassing, let's leave that out). David - had a spontaneous transposition within a recit of Messiah last weekend, but the cello player and alto didn't transpose along. How petty of them, not going along with my half tone lower ... -- *** David van Ooijen [2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Hortus Musicalis Novus edition by Göran Crona
Greetings, Goeran Crona has updated his version of Hortus Musicals Novus on the Fronimo site. This includes a significant amount of formatting and some corrections as well as an introduction. I have compiled these files into a single PDF that is available at [1]http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/. The contents are now no different than what Goeran has provided on the Fronimo site - it is only formatting into a single document that has been done. Regards David David W. Smith 355 NW Silverado Dr. Beaverton, OR 97006 503.753.8417 -- References 1. http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Adew Dundee - Scottish Lute Video
Thank you Rob. Please do not do anything that breaks your agreement. It sounds like the right thing for me to do is contact the national library of Scotland and see if I can order a copy. If your d major arrangements are available legally that would be nice. Regards David Sent from my iPad On Oct 23, 2011, at 12:30 AM, Rob MacKillop robmackil...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Ed. I've had a few requests for copies of the Wemyss manuscript. Rather than write the same letter to each individual, I'll just mention here my response: The original scores are in harp sharp or harp flat tunings, but I arranged them in open D Major tuning because at the time I was playing a lot of pieces from Balcarres in that tuning, and it saved me retuning during a gig. I have photocopies of the original mss, but must scan it and maybe make a PDF. But I have signed a form at the National Library of Scotland, saying I would not do such a thing, or even make photocopies. They know me well there, so I don't want to cross them. However, if you want my D Major tuning arrangements, I might be able to copy them. There is a large section of Balcarres in D Major. All the f strings become f sharp, with a c sharp on the 11th course. It is my favourite tuning for Scottish music. There are also some French mss which show this tuning, not a huge amount, but some. Rob www.robmackillop.net On 23 Oct 2011, at 03:44, Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp wrote: I really like the black and white visual. The playing is superb, as usual. On Oct 22, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Rob MacKillop wrote: Today's offering, dedicated to my fellow Dundonian, Bill Samson. [1]http://lutegroup.ning.com/video/adew-dundee-scottish-lute-music (Nin g) or [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGKakTaYF1Y (YT) and three pieces from the Wemyss manuscript - something went wrong with the lighting for the 2nd and 3rd piece! Not intentional. [3]http://lutegroup.ning.com/video/scottish-lute-music-from-the-wemyss- ms (Ning) or [4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldnMANjks_M (YT) Rob MacKillop, taking a trip down memory lane... -- References 1. http://lutegroup.ning.com/video/adew-dundee-scottish-lute-music 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGKakTaYF1Y 3. http://lutegroup.ning.com/video/scottish-lute-music-from-the-wemyss-ms 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldnMANjks_M To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: French Baroque Theorbo Performance Practice
Thank you Christopher. That is exactly the insight I was looking for. I hope you are able to do additional recordings. Your choices are very beautiful. I started looking through Stefan Lunfgren's book this morning. It seems like a wonderful resource. Mathias, thank you for suggesting it. Regards David Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2011, at 9:18 AM, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: David, Thanks for your interest in my recording. 1) The interlude is really just a simplified reduction of the harmonic ground of the first couplet: a passacaglia bass. It was purely my decision to add this intro (it's just descending single notes A-G-F-E) and to run the minuet and chaconne together. I can't really justify it for any reason other than it sounded cool to me, but conjecture that it may have been the sort of thing a 17th century musician might have thought was cool, too. There are also some obvious errors in the tab, which I corrected. There is a note in the manuscript at the end of chaconne saying to repeat the first couplet after every other couplet but I sometimes repeated after two couplets or so. Again, totally my call. I tried to do things according to what the sources state and what seemed most dramatically satisfying to me. 2) I second Mathias's recommendation of Stefan Lundgren's book. Chris Christopher Wilke Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com --- On Thu, 9/1/11, Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: From: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: French Baroque Theorbo Performance Practice To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011, 9:42 AM The Lute Companion, a large collection of 11c lute music compiled by Stefan Lundgren´, has some major 17th century sources on lute music performance collected in his introduction. Highly recommended. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von David Smith Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. September 2011 05:30 An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] French Baroque Theorbo Performance Practice Greetings, I have been looking at the performance of Hurel by Christopher Wilke on his CD and have a couple of questions: 1. Between the Menuet de l'Opera and the Chaconne composee pour Melle De la Balme on the last track there is an interlude that is not clear to me where it comes from. Anyone have a thought? 2. What is a good reference for French Baroque performance practice on Lute and/or Theorbo (preferably in English)? I hear lots of ornamentation as well as additional notes in the CD performance and would love to have some guidance on what is stylistically appropriate. Otherwise I end of copying what I hear (which is not bad but having knowledge would be nice). Thanks in advance for any information you can provide. Regards David David W. Smith 355 NW Silverado Dr. Beaverton, OR 97006 503.753.8417 -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] French Baroque Theorbo Performance Practice
Greetings, I have been looking at the performance of Hurel by Christopher Wilke on his CD and have a couple of questions: 1. Between the Menuet de l'Opera and the Chaconne composee pour Melle De la Balme on the last track there is an interlude that is not clear to me where it comes from. Anyone have a thought? 2. What is a good reference for French Baroque performance practice on Lute and/or Theorbo (preferably in English)? I hear lots of ornamentation as well as additional notes in the CD performance and would love to have some guidance on what is stylistically appropriate. Otherwise I end of copying what I hear (which is not bad but having knowledge would be nice). Thanks in advance for any information you can provide. Regards David David W. Smith 355 NW Silverado Dr. Beaverton, OR 97006 503.753.8417 -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Music for Theorbo.
Thank you all for helping me start to gain some understanding about the bibliographic references for the de Visee theorbo document and how to go about trying to get copies of them. I guess my next question, as a person just starting with Theorbo, is what solo theorbo sources I should be looking at? I have the Kapsberger, Manuscrit Vaudry de Saizenay, Piccinni 1623 facsimiles and the Nigel North book on continuo. What am I missing that would be good to have? Are the Robert de Visee F-Pn Res. 1106, F-Pn Res. 1820 and F-Pn Vm7 6265 manuscripts worth getting copies of? I probably have more than enough music for the moment but I would appreciate any advice on additional solo theorbo music that you think would be helpful. Thank you again for your help. All of you on this list are amazingly helpful and generous with your information. Regards David -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Music for Theorbo.
Hi Arto, Definitely. I will look through those some more and I think working on them (especially with your recordings) will be quite fun. Are they anything else of interest in the Vm7 6265 or Res-1106? I do see your copies pdfs of the original and I they are very helpful. I am just wondering if it is worth the effort to get my own reproductions of the entire document. Regards David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of wikla Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:40 PM To: David Smith Cc: Lute List; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Music for Theorbo. Dear David, perhaps you may find something interesting in my oldish page http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Tiorba/deVisee/ Arto On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:30:43 -0700, David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com wrote: Thank you all for helping me start to gain some understanding about the bibliographic references for the de Visee theorbo document and how to go about trying to get copies of them. I guess my next question, as a person just starting with Theorbo, is what solo theorbo sources I should be looking at? I have the Kapsberger, Manuscrit Vaudry de Saizenay, Piccinni 1623 facsimiles and the Nigel North book on continuo. What am I missing that would be good to have? Are the Robert de Visee F-Pn Res. 1106, F-Pn Res. 1820 and F-Pn Vm7 6265 manuscripts worth getting copies of? I probably have more than enough music for the moment but I would appreciate any advice on additional solo theorbo music that you think would be helpful. Thank you again for your help. All of you on this list are amazingly helpful and generous with your information. Regards David -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo
Hi David, Thank you so much for the suggestions. I will greatly appreciate your perspective and experience. I love the sound of the instrument but do have a bias toward warmth as opposed to punch. This is exactly the type of response I was hoping to get. It is a new experience - going from renaissance lute to theorbo. It is teaching me all kinds of new things about left hand technique and how to use my right hand thumb. It has been fun! Regards David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of David van Ooijen Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:54 AM To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo David I play a SS theorbo like yours: 76/140cm, build for me in 1988. Current set-up is 6+8. First two strings re-entrant, tuned in a. 415/440 as required with the same set of strings. I've had all sorts of tensions over the years, but this is what it is at the moment: All-gut, obviously. 76cm 1 = a 0.62mm 2 = e 0.78mm 3 = b 0.58mm 4 = g 0.66mm 5 = d 0.88mm 6 = A 1.16mm 140mm 7 = G 0.74mm 8 = F 0.82mm 9 = E 0.86mm 10 = D 0.97mm 11 = C 1.09mm 12 = B1 1.14mm 13 = A1 1.28mm 14 = G1 1.44mm (Or the nearest available diameter, of course.) Strings 1 to 5 are plain gut by any maker. 6 is a bit of a bother, but I'm reasonably happy with Aquila's loaded gut at the moment. Strings 7 to 14 are Gamut Diapassons, the best I've played so far, but fret gut will do if in trouble (still better than nylgut ;-). I used to play it with a much higher string tension, but have gone down over the years: less punch and more resonance, less metallic sound and more warmth. It would be nice to have the instrument in balance: top set in a tension that is comparable to the diapassons. If you like the tension of what you're having on the instrument now, just replace the top seven strings. The carbon you can measure. There are lists around (or ask this list) that translate carbon diameters to comparable gut diameters. If you ever decide to change to a different tension, you'll be able to reuse most of your diapassons by moving them up a place, and just buy the missing one string. No need to replace good diapasson, and some of these thick basses get better over time anyway. On a side-note. I've noticed string makers tend to advice rather high string tensions. Better ask a player. I'm sure the string makers know best at what tension their strings give optimum performance, but I think players tend to give a more informed, and more varied!, answer to the question of ideal string tension for actual playing. enjoy your new toy! David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On 10 August 2011 19:22, David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com wrote: Greetings, I have a Barber and Harris Lesser French Theorbo with 14 strings (7x1 and 7x1) with lengths of 760mm and 1400mm. The 7 diapasons are gut but the other are carbon fiber and silver wrapped. I bought the instrument used and would like to convert to all gut. I have looked at Arto's string calculator and am stumped as to what I should use for the tension on the strings. The I am not sure what the current set of gut diapasons are either. So a couple of questions: 1. Should I replace all the strings in order to get the correct balance on the instrument? 2. What tension for the strings should I be looking for? 3. Is the best approach to just go to Aquila or Gamut and ask them to figure it out? I would appreciate any guidance I can get. I have read through some of the other discussions but have not come to enough understanding to know how to proceed. Thank you in advance. Regards David -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Translation of Kapsberger instructions
Greetings, I will assume that no one knows of a good source for the English translation I am looking for. I am re-sending this on the hope that it just got lost in the historical sound discussion. Regards David Smith (the other one it appears) -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of David Smith Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 12:15 PM To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Translation of Kapsberger instructions Greetings, Does anyone know of an English translation of the introductions in Kapsberger's Libro Primo d' Intavolatura di Lauto, Libro Primo d'Intavolatura di Chitarone, and the Libro quarto d'intavolatura di Chitarone? I do have the facsimiles. I would like to gain the benefit of his instructions but I have almost no Italian and automatic translators are pretty useless. I am learning Theorbo and using Nigel North's Continuo playing on the lute, archlute, and theorbo as a guide - it is definitely helpful but I would like to get closer to the source. Thank you for any guidance you can provide. Regards David Smith -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Translation of Kapsberger instructions
Greetings, Does anyone know of an English translation of the introductions in Kapsberger's Libro Primo d' Intavolatura di Lauto, Libro Primo d'Intavolatura di Chitarone, and the Libro quarto d'intavolatura di Chitarone? I do have the facsimiles. I would like to gain the benefit of his instructions but I have almost no Italian and automatic translators are pretty useless. I am learning Theorbo and using Nigel North's Continuo playing on the lute, archlute, and theorbo as a guide - it is definitely helpful but I would like to get closer to the source. Thank you for any guidance you can provide. Regards David Smith -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Django files for Kapsberger
Greetings, Richard Civiol has provided French tablature versions of the Kapsberger 1st and 4th books for chitarrone. On his website he points to the Django collections for the Django files used to create the PDFs on his site. I have been unable to locate the Django files (I do see the 1st book for Lute). Does anyone know where these can be located? Regards David smith To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
