[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
I have started a suite in c# minor for baroque lute. I am just finishing up the allemande. I also have a complete G major suite. Sterling - Original Message From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net To: Stephan Olbertz stephan.olbe...@web.de; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 6:17:01 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? No one mentioned Earl Christy's own music, it is quite serious - what little I heard, but it is purely histocist too, so it is not for Arto. RT - Original Message - From: Stephan Olbertz stephan.olbe...@web.de To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:03 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? http://www.modernlutemusic.com/ I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, but interesting anyway. There is a german guy who writes beautiful resonant modern music with voice, maybe also solo. I once heard a CD but forgot the name. Maybe someone knows? Best regards, Stephan Am 09.10.2010, 01:04 Uhr, schrieb wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi: Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/mail/
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
I wrote to Gerlach a few years ago about his music for baroque lute but I never got a response. Does anyone know if it is available anywhere? Sterling - Original Message From: Thomas Schall lauten...@lautenist.de To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 5:34:05 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? Hi Arto, I enjoyed playing Stefan's music. I especially enjoyed the choral-settings, the Bellmann-Suites and some of his studies. There are also few pieces by Meinhardt Gerlach and Rüdiger Giess for Baroque Lute - Meinhardt mainly composed songs but the one or other piece for solo baroque lute, too. Rüdiger's Music isn't widely available. I published some of his works as supplement to the Info of the german lute society. I don't know if they would have any spare copies. I really enjoyed his music because he makes the lute sound - if you know what I mean. Best wishes Thomas Am 09.10.2010 01:28, schrieb wikla: Thanks Sterling! You have played Stefan's music? Interesting. How did you like it? Someone done that? How did it work? Arto On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 16:11:24 -0700 (PDT), sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com wrote: There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a modern style. Sterling - Original Message From: wiklawi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning? Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
http://www.modernlutemusic.com/ I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, but interesting anyway. There is a german guy who writes beautiful resonant modern music with voice, maybe also solo. I once heard a CD but forgot the name. Maybe someone knows? Best regards, Stephan Am 09.10.2010, 01:04 Uhr, schrieb wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi: Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/mail/
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Hi Stephan, dear all, http://www.modernlutemusic.com/ I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, but interesting anyway. There is for example http://www.modernlutemusic.com/AMORIC__MICHEL.html some pieces for the dm-lute even with a tablature of Blancrocher XXI, unfortunately without the related Hupfauf Blancmanger XVII ;) I have the whole CD! Doesn't rock at first listening :) ** What about the pieces by Toyohiko Satoh, dear David? He knows the idiom for sure, and I believe he also has something to say, musically. best regards Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
OT (ren. lute tuning) At the address Stephan told us, there is a subpage concerning a certain LORIS OHANNES CHOBANIAN who wrote a piece named Dowland in Armenia In order to justify writing a composition with Armenian sounding melodies for the English Renaissance lute Chobanian made up the story that supposedly the English Renaissance composer John Dowland traveled to Armenia in1623 and was at the court of King Abkar of Armenia where he must have written this composition. Lutenist Paul O'Dette premiered Dowland in Armenia at the 1984 Toronto International Guitar Festival. The program notes unintentionally omitted the word imaginary form the made-up program. As a result considerable confusion was created with scholars writing the composer to find out about Dowland's supposed travel to Armenia. hehehe... You can listen to the piece on that website. I find it lovely. B. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Hi Arto, I enjoyed playing Stefan's music. I especially enjoyed the choral-settings, the Bellmann-Suites and some of his studies. There are also few pieces by Meinhardt Gerlach and Rüdiger Giess for Baroque Lute - Meinhardt mainly composed songs but the one or other piece for solo baroque lute, too. Rüdiger's Music isn't widely available. I published some of his works as supplement to the Info of the german lute society. I don't know if they would have any spare copies. I really enjoyed his music because he makes the lute sound - if you know what I mean. Best wishes Thomas Am 09.10.2010 01:28, schrieb wikla: Thanks Sterling! You have played Stefan's music? Interesting. How did you like it? Someone done that? How did it work? Arto On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 16:11:24 -0700 (PDT), sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com wrote: There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a modern style. Sterling - Original Message From: wiklawi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning? Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Meinhardt Gerlach had a page with recordings of his songs (with his wife?) at some point. But it disappeared from the ether. I remember liking one of them a lot. RT - Original Message - From: Thomas Schall lauten...@lautenist.de To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 7:34 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? Hi Arto, I enjoyed playing Stefan's music. I especially enjoyed the choral-settings, the Bellmann-Suites and some of his studies. There are also few pieces by Meinhardt Gerlach and Rüdiger Giess for Baroque Lute - Meinhardt mainly composed songs but the one or other piece for solo baroque lute, too. Rüdiger's Music isn't widely available. I published some of his works as supplement to the Info of the german lute society. I don't know if they would have any spare copies. I really enjoyed his music because he makes the lute sound - if you know what I mean. Best wishes Thomas Am 09.10.2010 01:28, schrieb wikla: Thanks Sterling! You have played Stefan's music? Interesting. How did you like it? Someone done that? How did it work? Arto On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 16:11:24 -0700 (PDT), sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com wrote: There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a modern style. Sterling - Original Message From: wiklawi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning? Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
You surely mean Meinhardt Gerlach. best wishes Thomas Am 09.10.2010 09:03, schrieb Stephan Olbertz: http://www.modernlutemusic.com/ I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, but interesting anyway. There is a german guy who writes beautiful resonant modern music with voice, maybe also solo. I once heard a CD but forgot the name. Maybe someone knows? Best regards, Stephan Am 09.10.2010, 01:04 Uhr, schrieb wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi: Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Unfortunately, modern music needs playing on the highest level, including a well tuned instrument. I'm wonderig if, besides of the superstition of the tablature, the double stringing of the lute isn't another obstacle in activating a lute to do what cpmposer/performer wants to do. Notice that a single strung theorbo survives in company with other instruments, whereas double strung lute has problems. Besides, the d-m tuning has great and still unexplored potency, against Peter Croton's reluctance to it http://www.peter-croton.com/Bach_CD.html and especially Paolo Cherici's view on its usebility http://www.preludiomusic.com/doc/news/allegati/13-bach-visione.pdf J - On 2010-10-09, at 12:57, Bernd Haegemann wrote: Hi Stephan, dear all, http://www.modernlutemusic.com/ I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, but interesting anyway. There is for example http://www.modernlutemusic.com/AMORIC__MICHEL.html some pieces for the dm-lute even with a tablature of Blancrocher XXI, unfortunately without the related Hupfauf Blancmanger XVII ;) I have the whole CD! Doesn't rock at first listening :) ** What about the pieces by Toyohiko Satoh, dear David? He knows the idiom for sure, and I believe he also has something to say, musically. best regards Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Yes, there is - mine, natürlish. But it is in Ukrainian, and as such - of very limited appeal. RT - Original Message - From: Stephan Olbertz stephan.olbe...@web.de http://www.modernlutemusic.com/ I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, but interesting anyway. Stephan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Indeed - double stringing precludes most avantgardist mannerisms. But the d-minor lute should be adaptable to some form of (post)minimalism. RT - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? Unfortunately, modern music needs playing on the highest level, including a well tuned instrument. I'm wonderig if, besides of the superstition of the tablature, the double stringing of the lute isn't another obstacle in activating a lute to do what cpmposer/performer wants to do. Notice that a single strung theorbo survives in company with other instruments, whereas double strung lute has problems. Besides, the d-m tuning has great and still unexplored potency, against Peter Croton's reluctance to it http://www.peter-croton.com/Bach_CD.html and especially Paolo Cherici's view on its usebility http://www.preludiomusic.com/doc/news/allegati/13-bach-visione.pdf J - On 2010-10-09, at 12:57, Bernd Haegemann wrote: Hi Stephan, dear all, http://www.modernlutemusic.com/ I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, but interesting anyway. There is for example http://www.modernlutemusic.com/AMORIC__MICHEL.html some pieces for the dm-lute even with a tablature of Blancrocher XXI, unfortunately without the related Hupfauf Blancmanger XVII ;) I have the whole CD! Doesn't rock at first listening :) ** What about the pieces by Toyohiko Satoh, dear David? He knows the idiom for sure, and I believe he also has something to say, musically. best regards Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
No one mentioned Earl Christy's own music, it is quite serious - what little I heard, but it is purely histocist too, so it is not for Arto. RT - Original Message - From: Stephan Olbertz stephan.olbe...@web.de To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:03 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? http://www.modernlutemusic.com/ I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, but interesting anyway. There is a german guy who writes beautiful resonant modern music with voice, maybe also solo. I once heard a CD but forgot the name. Maybe someone knows? Best regards, Stephan Am 09.10.2010, 01:04 Uhr, schrieb wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi: Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/mail/
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Hi all, definitely my intention was not to insult Roman! I think Roman knows that, but perhaps not all other? I do know only a tiny portion of Roman's huge output, but still I have seen many beautiful pieces he has composed or arranged. And they also work well on the instrument. My aim was more general: Should there be new music for our old instrument, what kind of music, ... I was not especially asking for modern music in the sense of 1950's and 1960's trends. Not at all. Neither was I asking for music that doesn't stylistically differ from the original baroque. Actually it is quite difficult to say, what I asked, because I really do not know! If I could, that music wouldn't be new! So I guess best I can say, I would like composers to try their hands in writing to the baroque lute. Without me saying what kind of music that should be. Well, of course I can say: it should be good music... ;-) All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Arto, Better not wait until a miracle will happen. The easiest way, and widely accepted now, to have a new piece of music is to commision it. It's not that expensive as one might think. From time to time I hear of a colegue of mine that is asking a professional composer, or a music festival commisiong a new work for the next edition. I've heared in Germany there is a special fund for this kind of initiatives at the Deutscher Musikrat. Of course it is risky, but that only encourages one to gain better orientation in what's possible. Most of the composers don't present Beethoven's like attitude and are open to one's expectations. However, they like to take care of the future presentation and also do not like to risk a poor performance. So it is in a way a subtle interplay between parties, nevertheless quite real and brings fruits from time to time, of what I was witness not once. If I remember well, Julian Bream in his Way on the road recounts he used to pay for a new composition a tipical monthly salary, if -- say -- the process of composition would take a month of time. My friends are paying even less to their friends. It all amounts to profesionalism and good will. I should also say Scandinavia is famous for its traditions for modern music. Perhaps Jacob Lindberg or Rolf Lislevand has some experience. J On 2010-10-09, at 15:17, wikla wrote: Hi all, definitely my intention was not to insult Roman! I think Roman knows that, but perhaps not all other? I do know only a tiny portion of Roman's huge output, but still I have seen many beautiful pieces he has composed or arranged. And they also work well on the instrument. My aim was more general: Should there be new music for our old instrument, what kind of music, ... I was not especially asking for modern music in the sense of 1950's and 1960's trends. Not at all. Neither was I asking for music that doesn't stylistically differ from the original baroque. Actually it is quite difficult to say, what I asked, because I really do not know! If I could, that music wouldn't be new! So I guess best I can say, I would like composers to try their hands in writing to the baroque lute. Without me saying what kind of music that should be. Well, of course I can say: it should be good music... ;-) All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Yes, and this is the CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/dsmg Best regards, Stephan Am 09.10.2010, 13:41 Uhr, schrieb Thomas Schall lauten...@lautenist.de: You surely mean Meinhardt Gerlach. best wishes Thomas Am 09.10.2010 09:03, schrieb Stephan Olbertz: http://www.modernlutemusic.com/ I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, but interesting anyway. There is a german guy who writes beautiful resonant modern music with voice, maybe also solo. I once heard a CD but forgot the name. Maybe someone knows? Best regards, Stephan Am 09.10.2010, 01:04 Uhr, schrieb wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi: Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/mail/
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Arto, here's a little exercise in 5/4, for you personally - http://turovsky.org/music/KS.pdf http://turovsky.org/music/KS.mp3 RT - Original Message - From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:04 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning? Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Thanks Roman, that is nice version of the perhaps most well known old Finnish folk melody. Years ago I played with two very good Finnish folk masters, Heikki Laitinen and Hannu Saha. They played kantele and I played renaissance guitar. We improvised on different Finnish folk melodies. The pieces sometimes became long, sometimes shorter, but always different. Those guys are so good that they also could take me with them to the interesting world of improvisation - they could make me feel that I can do something there, by reacting very fast to everything I did. The music, the pieces, became some kind of kantele minimalism. I found some old videos by Hannu in the y-tube. The first is quite simple version of the same that you made, the second one is wilder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlO2kOiE0mg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPqvXCcdz3o And a newer one, a kantele duo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnslDX3HtsMfeature=related Today the old Finnish folk music is living well. And their key words are improvisation, improvisation and improvisation. Arto On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 13:49:06 -0400, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: Arto, here's a little exercise in 5/4, for you personally - http://turovsky.org/music/KS.pdf http://turovsky.org/music/KS.mp3 RT - Original Message - From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:04 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning? Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern. I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT CONTEMPORARY in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more contemporary in character. The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of discernible pitch and rhythm (and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist (like that Russian woman composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me). RT - Original Message - From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a modern style. Sterling - Original Message From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning? Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? Not really. Very little. Check Peter Croton's site for new vocal music with lutes. I recall some nice M.Gerlach songs. This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), Roman is sorry. BTW, the neobaroque composers' association has a forum on Facebook. Much recommended, especially since there are now live performances of such music once in a while: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Vox-Saeculorum/149488781750742 neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). Roman is really sorry, because he thinks that ethnocentric music has the future. So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I don't know about clever, but it definitely won't survive without BEAUTIFUL music newly composed for it. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Arto, Do you REALLY want lute music to sound like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhXNIrQJR80 this??? RT From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
The actual contemporary idiom or academic idiom predominates on best contemporary music festivals and specialized record labels. But not all interesting composers feel bound to it and some of them aren't eschewing pitch and rhytm notation, nither are post-Minimalists. But it is extremaly hard to write good and well sounding music for lute, or in fact any plucked instrument, without skills of actualy playing it… But I'm optimistic, incuding the d-m genus. Just let's forget about the tablature and we'll get out of the getto. J - On 2010-10-09, at 01:41, Roman Turovsky wrote: Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern. I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT CONTEMPORARY in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more contemporary in character. The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of discernible pitch and rhythm (and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist (like that Russian woman composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me). RT - Original Message - From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a modern style. Sterling - Original Message From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning? Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Let's not fall into extremities. There are other humans making music as well: http://www.nina.gov.pl/en/node/487 -- 19 minutes Or a short retrospection of Szymanski's music: http://www.nina.gov.pl/szymanski-dvd-1-plytowe The text on the pages is not important. J - On 2010-10-09, at 02:24, Roman Turovsky wrote: Arto, Do you REALLY want lute music to sound like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhXNIrQJR80 this??? RT From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
I like this A LOT. However it is quite post-minimalist. RT - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:48 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? Let's not fall into extremities. There are other humans making music as well: http://www.nina.gov.pl/en/node/487 -- 19 minutes Or a short retrospection of Szymanski's music: http://www.nina.gov.pl/szymanski-dvd-1-plytowe The text on the pages is not important. J - On 2010-10-09, at 02:24, Roman Turovsky wrote: Arto, Do you REALLY want lute music to sound like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhXNIrQJR80 this??? RT From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
meant conCeptualist. RT - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? I'm not sure isolation is negative in our case. I've had many conversations about our instrument with Hans Kockelmans, who is an avantgarde composer AND a lutenist. He would never mix the two together, and he said something with which I wholeheartedly agree: lute in general, and baroque lute in particular simply doesn't tolerate modernist music, the reasons for which are mysterious, but very likely stemming from its acoustical nature. As to tabulature: it really saves the lute from a lot of conseptualist fecalia bovina that afflicts other instruments. RT - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? The actual contemporary idiom or academic idiom predominates on best contemporary music festivals and specialized record labels. But not all interesting composers feel bound to it and some of them aren't eschewing pitch and rhytm notation, nither are post-Minimalists. But it is extremaly hard to write good and well sounding music for lute, or in fact any plucked instrument, without skills of actualy playing it… But I'm optimistic, incuding the d-m genus. Just let's forget about the tablature and we'll get out of the getto. J - On 2010-10-09, at 01:41, Roman Turovsky wrote: Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern. I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT CONTEMPORARY in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more contemporary in character. The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of discernible pitch and rhythm (and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist (like that Russian woman composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me). RT - Original Message - From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a modern style. Sterling - Original Message From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning? Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Andre Burguete writes ambitious lute music in notation, taking baroque idiom in the Chopin-esque direction. RT From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com The actual contemporary idiom or academic idiom predominates on best contemporary music festivals and specialized record labels. But not all interesting composers feel bound to it and some of them aren't eschewing pitch and rhytm notation, nither are post-Minimalists. But it is extremaly hard to write good and well sounding music for lute, or in fact any plucked instrument, without skills of actualy playing it… But I'm optimistic, incuding the d-m genus. Just let's forget about the tablature and we'll get out of the getto. J - On 2010-10-09, at 01:41, Roman Turovsky wrote: Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern. I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT CONTEMPORARY in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more contemporary in character. The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of discernible pitch and rhythm (and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist (like that Russian woman composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me). RT - Original Message - From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a modern style. Sterling - Original Message From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning? Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Roman, Creation without possibility of beeing evaluated and criticized is sentenced to dye. How many people new tablature notation in 1750 and could write for lute? -- few; how many professional composers know tab. notation today? -- ?? Wake up from your sweet dreams and mysteries of lute's disability …or by her a new crutch. Your virtuoso minimalist judgements make impression, but can be easily used in oposit direction, so I ignore them. However other instruments are doing quite well despite being immerse in the fecalia bovina -- I'd love to live in their stinky situation and have their choice of styles and composers. Chopin-esque harmony is truly matchless and probably timeless, I'd love to get to know Andre Burguete ambitious lute music -- where to find it? Much more can be said, but on this side it's long after time to bad ;-) J On 2010-10-09, at 03:20, Roman Turovsky wrote: I'm not sure isolation is negative in our case. I've had many conversations about our instrument with Hans Kockelmans, who is an avantgarde composer AND a lutenist. He would never mix the two together, and he said something with which I wholeheartedly agree: lute in general, and baroque lute in particular simply doesn't tolerate modernist music, the reasons for which are mysterious, but very likely stemming from its acoustical nature. As to tabulature: it really saves the lute from a lot of conseptualist fecalia bovina that afflicts other instruments. RT - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? The actual contemporary idiom or academic idiom predominates on best contemporary music festivals and specialized record labels. But not all interesting composers feel bound to it and some of them aren't eschewing pitch and rhytm notation, nither are post-Minimalists. But it is extremaly hard to write good and well sounding music for lute, or in fact any plucked instrument, without skills of actualy playing it… But I'm optimistic, incuding the d-m genus. Just let's forget about the tablature and we'll get out of the getto. J - On 2010-10-09, at 01:41, Roman Turovsky wrote: Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern. I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT CONTEMPORARY in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more contemporary in character. The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of discernible pitch and rhythm (and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist (like that Russian woman composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me). RT - Original Message - From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a modern style. Sterling - Original Message From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning? Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com Roman, Creation without possibility of beeing evaluated and criticized is sentenced to die. How many people knew tablature notation in 1750 and could write for lute? -- few; how many professional composers know tab. notation today? -- ?? Wake up from your sweet dreams and mysteries of lute's disability …or by her a new crutch. Today's composers are impeded not by tabulature, but by the total lack of interest in lutes, as the latter are acoustically totally foreign to avantgarde musical sensibility. Do you really want you lute to be subjected to extended techniques? I don't find lute's limitations to be a disability. Rather its asceticism is its strength. Your virtuoso minimalist judgements make impression, but can be easily used in oposit direction, so I ignore them. However other instruments are doing quite well despite being immerse in the fecalia bovina -- I'd love to live in their stinky situation and have their choice of styles and composers. Why don't you call up Pawel Szymanski and ask him to write something? Then you'd know for sure whether your lute would survive the experience. Chopin-esque harmony is truly matchless and probably timeless, I'd love to get to know Andre Burguete ambitious lute music -- where to find it? He keeps it close to his vest Much more can be said, but on this side it's long after time to bad ;-) J Dobranich. RT On 2010-10-09, at 03:20, Roman Turovsky wrote: I'm not sure isolation is negative in our case. I've had many conversations about our instrument with Hans Kockelmans, who is an avantgarde composer AND a lutenist. He would never mix the two together, and he said something with which I wholeheartedly agree: lute in general, and baroque lute in particular simply doesn't tolerate modernist music, the reasons for which are mysterious, but very likely stemming from its acoustical nature. As to tabulature: it really saves the lute from a lot of conseptualist fecalia bovina that afflicts other instruments. RT - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? The actual contemporary idiom or academic idiom predominates on best contemporary music festivals and specialized record labels. But not all interesting composers feel bound to it and some of them aren't eschewing pitch and rhytm notation, nither are post-Minimalists. But it is extremaly hard to write good and well sounding music for lute, or in fact any plucked instrument, without skills of actualy playing it… But I'm optimistic, incuding the d-m genus. Just let's forget about the tablature and we'll get out of the getto. J - On 2010-10-09, at 01:41, Roman Turovsky wrote: Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern. I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT CONTEMPORARY in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more contemporary in character. The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of discernible pitch and rhythm (and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist (like that Russian woman composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me). RT - Original Message - From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning? There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a modern style. Sterling - Original Message From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning? Dear d-minor gang, just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry Roman). So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive without new and clever music composed? I guess not. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
Toru Takemitsu wrote two chamber works using the lute almost 50 years ago - RING for flute, terz guitar and lute 1961 and SACRIFICE, for alto flute, lute, vibraphone a year later. The lute parts are in notation and neither instrument is tuned in Dm DD -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
