Re; Regeneration.
Dear Liz,Ideally we could send everyone back to where they have come from, becauseeven the limited number of aboriginals were quite often on the edge ofstarvation. Australia does not have the diversity of native foods that wouldsupport you. Look through your cupboard how much native Australian foods doyou have. Do you eat kangaroo steaks cut with a piece of stone from a roothat you just ran down and speared?. Can you catch an emu and train it togive you eggs. How long is it going to take you to get enough wattle seedsto make flour.There are more native animals killed of a night by motor vehicles than everby feral cats or dogs.It is not very easy to be self sufficient in a country like Australia, withit's low rainfall and live in the one place. You need to go where theabundance is, for instance last month was the time for Bogong moths in ourarea.There was nothing else edible. You could walk 30 miles downthe road and catch some eels in the creeks down at Brogans Creek but firstyou would have to find some vines or creepers to make an eel trap. To dothis you would have to walk another 50 miles in another direction. It wasn'teasy. There were tribal boundaries and customs to be fulfilled beforeentering another's territory. If there was no food in your territory you just made do with what you had. If you starved that was the way of the world. We can have this romantic idea of how the world was, or how we would like it to be, the reality is that we all have to work with what we have. In the end the only tools that we have to implement change are those that we have now. From anything else we will starve. Regards James Radiasesthesia and Radionic AnalysisRadionic Insect and Parasite controlBioethical Agriculture ConsultantFrom: "Liz Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 6:19 AMSubject: regeneration> Hey old Rebel and Roger, Knew you wouldn't be able to resist the nativeveg.> topic Lloyd.> Unsure if it is because I come from Canada, or just the beauty and> uniqueness of Australian flora, but I find it very difficult to plant> anything but native flora. Just can't beat the yellow wattle, the red> bottle brushes, the grevilleas in their many forms, I could fill this page> with the unique species of this continent.> I agree whole heartedly that the sheep should go, along with the> cattle,cats, pigs, goats, another list could be filled of introduced spp.>> Because we want something,is the very thinking that got this continentinto> the ecological stress it now contends with.> As much as I love the colours of Autumn in the European and north American> trees, the beauty, and life that is supported by native vegetation far> outweighs any colour seen in fall. Here I must admit that I do grow a few> introduced species, healing herbs, apples, pears, almonds, olives,apricots,> plums, raspberries and nashi. There are still times I question them.>> Lloyd when you speak of what has been done to this land I recall a photoin> an article by J> Jenkins; 2 children standing on the ground and behindthem> is the standing root structure of a tree, the roots go above their headsand> is an indicator of the amount of top soil that has blown away. Almost 2> metres in this photo taken in 1900.>> Ecologically LLoyd it is as Rachel Carson said; "...that all life of the> planet is interrelated, that each species has its own ties to others, and> that all are related to earth." The unique life, not the introduced life> (sheep, cattle, humans) on this continent depends on the nativevegetation.>> We are still discovering new species, two in my region in the last 2years,> with both being listed endangered immediately. All a bit late now as the> slopes to this area are planted in Radata Pine.>> Native veg. will remove us from the edge.>> L&L> Liz>> BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Hedley;James;;MR FN:James Hedley ORG:Hedley and Hedley P/L;Bioethicals TITLE:Director TEL;WORK;VOICE:02 6358 8425 TEL;HOME;VOICE:02 6358 8425 TEL;CELL;VOICE:04 28 588425 TEL;WORK;FAX:02 6358 8425 ADR;WORK:;;RMB 662 Mt Vincent Rd;Running Stream;NSW;2850;AUST LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:RMB 662 Mt Vincent Rd=0D=0ARunning Stream, NSW 2850=0D=0AAUST ADR;HOME:;;RMB 662 Mt Vincent Rd;Running Stream;NSW;2850;Australia LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:RMB 662 Mt Vincent Rd=0D=0ARunning Stream, NSW 2850=0D=0AAustralia EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20020903T055248Z END:VCARD
Re: Field Broadcaster
Dear Glen, My rabbit pepper only works in the areas that you spray it. Hope that this helps as I don't understand your question. James - Original Message - From: "Glen Atkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 3:33 AM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster > James > How big a radius does your rabbit work for from the source of the > skin > Glen > > > James Hedley wrote: > > > > Dear Louise, > > We have a rabbit pepper that you will find very effective without having to > > go down the path of a field broadcaster. Send an Email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > and I will see how we can get it to you. > > You must live somewhere near us at Running Stream, halfway between Lithgow > > and Mudgee. > > Regards > > James Hedley > > - Original Message - > > From: "Lloyd Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:03 AM > > Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Louise Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 6:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster > > > > > > > > > Re: Field BroadcasterI want to keep rabbits off my property, away from my > > > plants and out of my life...how do I make contact > > > > > > Hi Louise > > > I have made some field broadcasters for people - but have > > > not tried them on rabbits yet. Where are you and what size area are you > > > looking to protect? > > > Lloyd Charles > > > > > > > > -- > Garuda Biodynamics - for BD Preps, Consultations, Books & Diagrams > See our web site @ http://get.to/garuda > >
Re: The Perils of BSE
Dear Peter and Merla, First to you Merla, good luck with your peace vigil. All change starts from an individual basis and the more that you threaten the status quo, the more resistance that you will find. It is easy for someone who is not part of a society to look from outside, view what is happening and then prescribe some magical formula which is going to fix all of that society's ills. However there appears to be one common element in all change against tyranny and aggression, everything changes, there is an impermanence in all things.. There is a feeling of powerlessness to change the system that is permeating many cultures and societies. Hindu teachings have tried to reconcile this struggle between the two aspects of creation, Vishnu [preservation] and Shiva [destruction]. It is the constant interplay between these two forces which eventually keeps everything in balance. Powerlessness is the point of equilibrium that contains the potential to go whichever way we as people choose to start the pendulum swinging. Everything that we do is added to the potential of changing events from one direction to another. in the end what matters is how we as individuals live our lives, and our relationships with everything around us. Everything in the Universe is recycled, even ideas. The same themes keep turning up through history. Listen to a politician, what he/she says is that which has proved successful in the past for leading the sheep to slaughter. Dont be led by the bell wether to wherever they want to take you. Rudolph Steiner saw when he developed the concept of the BD preps that the time would come when the food did not carry the forces to manifest the spirit. Many of the in the world can be bought down to two things, 1]Faulty nutrition in the food, and 2] Failure to assimilate the nutrients in the food. Fortunately in BD we have some of the tools which can help to overcome these influences. All that we have to do is hold our own lines in the war for the minds and hearts of the people. Regards James - Original Message - From: "Merla Barberie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 2:29 AM Subject: Re: The Perils of BSE > Hi Peter, > > Our "Why Organic?" booth addressed these issues. It was hard for me to come up > with a response to the fair theme, "Star Spangled Memories Uniting Bonner > County" because it's obvious that we aren't united and that people with a > certain point of view want to force the other's into quiet submission. Do you > remember this poem, I'm paraphrasing..."He drew a circle that shut me out, > terrorist, rabble-rouser and lout. But love and I had the wit to win, I drew a > circle that let him in." When we put the Milky Way with the "You are here." > sign under the fair theme on the front of the booth, we were redefining > everything. That is what Fred Kirschenmann did in his speech about community. > What we are doing on our road is trying to do something positive about our > whole watershed, while the logging trucks carry their precious cargo out down > our road to a mill. Men in this rural community don't have any work. They > will extract timber and minerals as long as the law allows this. > > Our local and state government in this state has been completely taken over > too. Our local middle of the road Republican party was taken over by the far > right wing who had help from the outside. How else did they suddenly have > their whole voting constituency on computerized "Get out the vote" messages. > The Democrats were left far behind. They would not embrace the > environmentalists because they wanted to "win," they said, and nobody would > vote for an environmental candidate. We have a whole bunch of unrepresented > people in this county, none of whom would join the Green Party because it's > evident that the laws and practices have already been set up to make it > impossible for an independent candidate to win even a county office. Our > democratic American values have been taken over by a fascist clique which has > turned the whole world against all of us and those of us who are not "united" > are disenfranchised in a national election by the Electoral College system. > > The Quakers are having a silent peace vigil on 9/11 and we are announcing it in > the local paper as follows: > > THERE IS A BETTER WAY > > September 11th this year will be a day of reflection, first to remember those > who lost their lives a year ago and in the days following as we reacted with > military actions in the Middle East. But this will also be the time for us to > consider the best way to change the attitudes and resolve the conflicts that > led up to the events on that fateful day a year ago. > > As the anniversary of 9/11 approaches, President Bush is campaigning to use > this event as the reason to expand the present conflict in the Middle East by > invading Iraq. > > Sandpoint Friends (Quakers) believe that such action (added t
Altzheimers.
Dear Peter, In a previous post you spoke about your mother having altzheimers disease. Two things that may help you with treatment of this, 1] naturopaths have shown that proper hydration can stop the illness from deteriorating further. get her to drink plenty of water. 2] From a homoeopathic point of view [mine] in symptoms it is closely allied to Delirium tremens experienced by alcoholics. When Hering made the first trituration of Lachesis [Surukuku snake] he showed symptoms that closely resemble Altzheimers. I suggest that you look at Lachesis 60c as to whether you think that it describes the symptoms being experienced. contact me off line if you would like further information. Regards James Hedley. Radiasesthesia and Radionic AnalysisRadionic Insect and Parasite controlBioethical Agriculture Consultant BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Hedley;James;;MR FN:James Hedley ORG:Hedley and Hedley P/L;Bioethicals TITLE:Director TEL;WORK;VOICE:02 6358 8425 TEL;HOME;VOICE:02 6358 8425 TEL;CELL;VOICE:04 28 588425 TEL;WORK;FAX:02 6358 8425 ADR;WORK:;;RMB 662 Mt Vincent Rd;Running Stream;NSW;2850;AUST LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:RMB 662 Mt Vincent Rd=0D=0ARunning Stream, NSW 2850=0D=0AAUST ADR;HOME:;;RMB 662 Mt Vincent Rd;Running Stream;NSW;2850;Australia LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:RMB 662 Mt Vincent Rd=0D=0ARunning Stream, NSW 2850=0D=0AAustralia EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20020903T033202Z END:VCARD
Re: planting extra for the animals
Dear Roger, I love the range of stories that you have to tell. I have had a similar experience to Jake. While there is no food about in other areas we have an agreement with the local roo's that they can have food out of the oat paddock providing that when it rained they left. Sure enough when it rained they have now kept out of that paddock. Regards James - Original Message - From: "Roger Pye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 7:13 PM Subject: Re: planting extra for the animals > mroboz wrote: > > > Kent's comments make sense at least for some animals. eg. I had > > friends who always had a few vegies and a couple of fruit trees > > outside their most outer fence. They let the bears have the fruit > > from those 2 fruit trees as they never ate the ones inside the > > property. They didn't have any deer fences but must have left the > > veggies for the deer, who never bothered the veggies inside. Michael > > > This is a story about a sheep farmer who purchased a property in the > Southern Tablelands of NSW. The previous owner was BD oriented, had been > running sheep there for at least 15 years. Three months after the new > owner moved in, he phoned the other man to complain about the kangaroos > which were eating him out of house and home. Wall to wall, he said they > were, why hadn't Jake (not his real name) mentioned them to him at the > time of the sale. > > Well, Jake answered that he'd never had any trouble with 'roos; they > kept to their paddock and left all his alone. There was a distinct pause > at the other end of the line before the new owner asked, cautiously, > what he was talking about. That had been their agreement many years > before, replied Jake, and both they and he had stuck to it. > > Anyway, to cut a long story short, Jake visited his old farm and > escorted its owner to a paddock adjacent to a belt of trees well away > from the homestead, in a corner of which a small 'mob' of 'roos was > grazing. They all looked up as he called "May we come in?" from the gate > but didn't bound away. This is unusual behaviour for these animals which > generally take off at the slightest sound. He opened the gate and both > men walked through and to the middle of the paddock, watched by the > 'roos. When he figured they were close enough, Jake said out loud "This > is M. He is the new owner of this place. He wants to have the same > agreement with you that I did. This will be your paddock as it always > was. All he wants is for you to leave the other paddocks for his sheep. > Is that all right?" > > Apparently it is - M has not had any kangaroo problem since - they stay > in their paddock and he and his sheep stay in his. > > roger > > > >
Re: The Perils of BSE
Title: Re: The Perils of BSE Hugs & ALL!!! Merla!, From: Merla Barberie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: The Perils of BSE > It was hard for me to come up with a response to the fair theme, "Star Spangled Memories Uniting Bonner County" because it's obvious that we aren't united and that people with a certain point of view want to force the other's into quiet submission. Do you remember this poem, I'm paraphrasing..."He drew a circle that shut me out, terrorist, rabble-rouser and lout. But love and I had the wit to win, I drew a circle that let him in." When we put the Milky Way with the "You are here." sign under the fair theme on the front of the booth, we were redefining everything. That is what Fred Kirschenmann did in his speech about community. What we are doing on our road is trying to do something positive about our whole watershed, while the logging trucks carry their precious cargo out down our road to a mill. Men in this rural community don't have any work. They will extract timber and minerals as long as the law allows this. We're who we thought we were waiting for and beyond our dreams is just a step away. In Love & Light Markess
Re: Field Broadcaster
- Original Message - From: Glen Atkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 3:33 AM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster > James > How big a radius does your rabbit work for from the source of the > skin > Glen > Hello Glen More please ! It makes sense to me that a local pepper should work better than a more distant one - but then planting willow trees along the creek made sense to me and it looks like I am alone on that one!. Do you think that (say) a queensland rabbit would not be all that bothered by the energy from his deceased southern victorian cousin or is there something in the genetic makeup of species that allows the peppering effect to cross borders? - we have Hugh making rae cards for weeds that will likely be used worldwide - he must think this will work ok - or are we tapping into Hugh Lovel when we use these. I have had a few handy results with peppers but have always tried to use local materials if possible, whats your thoughts on this? Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Wood chips / regeneration
Dear Roger , The question of regeneration of the environment will not be solved by trying to lay a guilt trip on the present for alleged crimes committed some time in the past. The question of reduced organic matter content and fertility of soils is not unique to Australia. It is a world wide phenomenon that under the present systems of industrial farming there is a gradual reduction in soil vitality generally. In Australia a lot of the soil organic matter is continually destroyed by fire. The plants that have adapted to this fire regime in most areas do not require very high organic matter content. Fire was a great tool used by the aboriginal hunter/ gatherers, however it had long term effects on the lush vegetation that once covered Australia. To claim there is problem with the soil in many areas being less than 1% organic matter is not necessarily a valid comparison. I have not seen any records of the early botanists and scientists in Australia going out and measuring the organic matter of the soils and recording it. My guess is that it has been a long slow drop in fertility that thas been exacerbated by some of the agricultural techniques which proved to be not suitable for this land. The use of 501 to will overcome the problem of locked up Phosphorus. If you are worried about how to treat the problems of herbicides in the soil you should check out the CSIRO who are generally recognised worldwide as having developed many very effective strategies for this problem. look up Bio remediation on Google and you will gain great information on potential strategies for herbicide problems. Your point of importing plants that should not be here is fine in hindsight, however it is the job of each succeeding generation to repair the damage done by the preceding generation. This repair job can only be done by taking the best of what has been ,and adding to it the best techniques that we have today. You would have to admit this or you wouldn't be so involved in Landcare. We can never go back and set a period in time and say that at this point we will draw an arbritary line and say that the ecology of this area will not be allowed to change. It is impossible to take an area back to what it was at any particular point in time. Environmental impacts whether from fire flood or man create the environment allowing new varieties to develop. The environment is always a work in progress adapting itself to the changes in conditions. The question of how we maintain and increase soil fertility is different to the debate of whether we should plant a certain species in a particular environment. I personally gain great satisfaction in being able to grow a beautiful plant, whether it be an Australian native or a Japanese Cherry. I maintain 300 acres of old growth open sclerophyll forest with eucalypts up to 150 ft high with rain forest interspersed down the gullies. This is a very good training ground as to what happens in a self regulated forest, not one that has been laid out in nice neat rows. There is diversity in a natural forest with nature deciding what to grow where. Even in a self regulated forest it is easy to see the difference in the mix at different times. Species come and go, and then just as mysteriously pop up again. Each thing that we do has a plus, and a minus. To say that there has not been benefit from cloven hoofed animals, or cats and dogs is a very narrow point of view . Give credit to our ancestors for the positive things that they have done, and you will find on the scales of balance that the positives far outweigh the negatives. You cant go back,only forward to wherever that may take us. Most people have always done the best they can with the information that they have available at the time. Barbara and I are looking forward to catching up with you at your Landcare site at Dalgetty. James .- Original Message - From: "Roger Pye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Wood chips / regeneration > Just a few more thoughts from a rebel of a different kind: > > Lloyd, will you look at what you're saying? Bearing in mind that Oz is > the driest continent on Earth and that before white settlement 200 years > ago the native flora and fauna which had adapted to climate conditions > over millions of years coexisted quite happily with the indigenous > population? > > The first thing 'we' did was introduce hoofed animals to a country that > had none. Also rabbits, domesticated dogs and cats. Next it was European > 'heavy soil' methods of farming in a mostly 'fragile soil' country. When > the soils failed to match up to or reduced below product expectations, > we introduced superphosphates followed 30 years later by a fearsome > array of artificial fertilisers, herbicides, pesticides and straight-out > poisons. > > 'The local natives are not up to it anymore' BECAUSE we have 'seriously > modified the ecosystem'. One of our most damaging 'm
Re: The Perils of BSE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > About your Mom, My > Chi Gong doctor said that they do not use gingko for memory. The correct > food for the brain is walnuts. Law of similars, a walnut indeed looks like a > little brain, Momma may also enjoy it better as a food...give it try. > Goodday mate...SStorch Walnuts are indeed a good food source to prevent memory loss. Just as good is extra-virgin olive oil and sesame seeds. I grind sesame seeds in my flour for biscuits, waffles and bread and use nothing but olive oil. Patti.
Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets
Dear expat aussie, I really think you should have checked the facts before going off half-cocked about the people who reside on the large island off the north-west coast of your adoptive country. Not to mention the political history of NZ which before 1993, when the voting system changed from first past the post to proportional representation if I remember correctly, suffered from the same 'party orientated or lethargic' bias. Leaving aside our populist federal government and its 1960's oriented and duck-shoving prime minister who has managed to remain in power for three successive terms by playing on the hip-pocket nerves and fears of the 'haves' against the 'have-nots' and sucking uip to the multi-nationals, Australia's major problems are the lack of a coherent and credible federal opposition to which the people can turn for help, and mainstream media which echo the government line.. Little Johnny (Howard, the PM) rabbits on about having the total Oz population behind him in promoting the war against Iraq. In fact, 65% of those people do not support him so don't believe everything you read in the local paper. Personally, if I met him in the street I wouldn't give him the time of day. In the last ten years I've been involved in five political campaigns - two federal, two state and one local government. In the 1996 federal election I was campaign coordinator for the NSW Greens Party in Eden-Monaro which covers most of SE NSW (about 35,000 sq km). My (now) wife Robin was the Greens candidate. I learned most of the tricks major parties play on minor ones and each other. Our major opposition, however, was an Independent who stood on a so-called 'environmental' ticket on behalf of the Forest Protection Society and attested volubly at every opportunity to having no money or resources. As it happens, the FPS exists to protect the jobs of forest workers, not trees, and has the backing of the National Assoc of Forest Industries in Oz together with its right-wing counterpart in the US. The Independent with no money ran a media saturation campaign for the last two weeks before election day - ads in every edition of 16 regional newspapers & magazines, several radio and tv stations. She took 6% of the vote because people believe what they read or hear or see in the media. We got 3.5%. I agree that on the face of it Oz currently has the appearance of being everything that you say it is but the whimpers are there, they are getting louder and they are being listened to. In the meantime, do you have a brown duck pepper because I have a colleague who wants one rather badly? roger (expat Pom) Glen Atkinson wrote: >James >I am not sure if you have noticed that Australia is the US's little >brother and that it is becoming more like the US every day and the >people are so party orientated or lethargic that they have not even >noticed some of the most draconion legislation in the world against >natural health and in support of rampant GE is in OZ. All with out a >wimper. As long as no one notices I guess it is not going on. A little >like the tree falling in the forest -yeah right. >The real axis of evil claims from the EArth Summit has been aimed at >Aus. Canada and the US. Ra RA the great aussie rip shit and bust spirit. >Yes it is there as it is in the US but the government is doing the same >things with the same attitudes with the same outcomes. It only a matter >of time and the US and Aussie will be indestinguishable. >
Re: Reception problem, Kirschenmann's speech again
Merla, I'm not sure about Mac and Netscape. I did, however I did copy and paste my message from a MS Word document. Could be a problem. Now, I saved it to a text file and have sent this as plain text instead of rich text. Hope this helps, let us know. Your reading method does sound like too much work... Sharon, The lost message wasn't a message from Fred K. himself, only my notes of a speech he gave last week. Perry - I had the opportunity to go to the 2002 International Federation of Organic Movements (IFOAM) Conference and general assembly. It was the 30th anniversary and was attended by 1,300 people from 93 countries. There was so much to hear and see... I'm remembering more each day, I'm sure much will be lost... however, something that's still clear is the address given by Fred Kirschenmann. I'll post the main points... paraphrased and some direct quotes... (but not exact I'm sure) Building Communities from the Ground Up - Fred Kirschenmann This conference is the first time IFOAM has used the term "Community" as a way in describing itself. The history of organic agriculture began in the 1840's when Justus von Liebig gave us the ability to ignore the "Rule of Return". Rule of return being, everything that comes from the soil must return to the soil. Ignoring this rule began the industrialization of agriculture. And at this point began the organic movement. Some folks knew instinctively that abandoning this rule was not the way to go. So, the history of the Organic Movement grew out of a philosophy that we should use Nature as the Mentor, Teacher, and Measurer. More recently came the Organic Industry (last 25 years of the 20th century), which is based in selling product and staying within the confines in a set of rules. Now, we have tension between these two sectors. This is why it is important to move to the next level... the Organic Community. So, what do we do we want to be? Where should we direct our energy? Do we protect our Values and beliefs... and stay a movement? Do we push for bigger sales and making Organic the predominant food source - and stay an industry? Or do we develop relationships - and become a community? OR Do we do all three? Each of these groups has its differences, but one thing common to each is we are all members of the Biotic Community. Community is from the Latin word Communis, which means in common. So, what do these groups have in common? We share the same "Biotic Community", we all participate in the same web of life, that makes it possible to survive on the planet. Better yet, we are interested in creating a new Food Culture. We don't' want to become just another industry that brings food to the table, with the same food chain and distribution systems. We're talking about a different way of treating farmers - a different way of bringing food from the soil to the table and back to the soil in a way that not only benefits the human community, but benefits all of the Web of Life of which we are part. What will need to happen in order for us to build this community? We will need to make (at least) 8 fundamental changes in the way we participate. 1. Relationship to nature will change. We will move from Conquer to plain Citizen. We won't conquer nature, but become a part of it. a) Move from control management to adaptive management. Therapeutic intervention does not work. (i.e.) I have a problem pest, how do I get ride of it? This thinking is flawed, we should be asking Why is a pest a pest? And, What am I doing wrong that makes this pest a pest? b) We should also realize that we are not preservationists of the environment. Our biotic community is constantly changing, and if it did not change, there would be no environment. SO, from microbes up, we are all changing our environment to meet our specific needs, and in doing so we are destroying a part of the environment. We can not preserve the environment, but we can be fellow modifiers, in a way that respects the Biotic Community. 2. Take Responsibility for the health of the land. Anything we do must contribute to the health of the Biotic Community. 3. Concept of Science will Change. We must change from science that creates technological innovations to solve human problems to Science that has a Conversation with Nature. Science needs to be a question put to Nature. Got a problem? What does Nature have to say about your solution? How will it respond? What will happen to the entire Biotic Community when you introduce this technology? And, we must wait to hear the answer, BEFORE we introduce the technology in a widespread manner!!! 4. Concept of an Organic Farm will Change. Change from an "Enclave of Purity" to a "Habitat within an Ecosystem". We may think of our organic farms as being pure within our land borders, but nature has no walls. We need the Biotic Community outside our bor
Re: Reception problem Re: Field Broadcaster
Here you go. kentjamescarson wrote: > Hi merla, did I miss Fred Kirschenmann's message? Could that be shared? .I > have an old tape of a talk he gave ,that was great. I'd love to hear what he > has to say these days. Thanks :)sharon > - Original Message - > From: "Merla Barberie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:26 AM > Subject: Reception problem Re: Field Broadcaster > > > Virginia and Allan and all, > > > > I double-clicked and double-clicked on this and nothing happens. I've > > started to get a lot of our emails this way. Some work and some don't. > > Also when I can read them, the horizontal margins are just not there. I > > have to scroll and scroll with my horizontal arrows and the copy only > > stops when there is a period. If I want to read something in comfort, I > > have to turn on my word processor and edit/copy the email to read it. > > Some messages like Fred Kirschenmann's talk at IFOAM I want to copy > > anyway, but lots of emails I don't want permanently. It seems like a > > lot of trouble to have to put them on my word processor to read them. > > Is there something I can set in Netscape on my MAC to help this? > > > > I should just be very thankful that I can get most of the messages most > > of the time in some way or other, I guess, but this computer technology > > is so amazing, I tend to think that everything is possible, but I'm just > > dumb. > > > > Merla > > > > Virginia Salares wrote: > > > > >Part 1.1Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > > >Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > Kirschenmann at IFOAM Description: Unknown Document
Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says BritishGuru
- Original Message - From: Glen Atkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says BritishGuru Glen Sadly most of what you write here in reply to James is true - the best evidence of it is the dirty tactics that the liberal / labour party coalition (for thats what they are) used to get rid of Pauline Hanson - how quickly we forget eh! Lloyd Charles > I am not sure if you have noticed that Australia is the US's little > brother and that it is becoming more like the US every day and the > people are so party orientated or lethargic that they have not even > noticed some of the most draconion legislation in the world against > natural health and in support of rampant GE is in OZ. All with out a > wimper. As long as no one notices I guess it is not going on. A little > like the tree falling in the forest -yeah right. > The real axis of evil claims from the EArth Summit has been aimed at > Aus. Canada and the US. Ra RA the great aussie rip shit and bust spirit. > Yes it is there as it is in the US but the government is doing the same > things with the same attitudes with the same outcomes. It only a matter > of time and the US and Aussie will be indestinguishable. > > Glen > (expat aussie) >
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- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:32 PM Subject: Re: Reception problem Re: Field Broadcaster > For those of you who are interested in reading Fred K's latest, visit > http://www.leopold.iastate.edu/ > Since he is the director there, there are many speeches, and articles by him > on this web site. > > Christy >
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Hey old Rebel and Roger, Knew you wouldn't be able to resist the native veg. topic Lloyd. Unsure if it is because I come from Canada, or just the beauty and uniqueness of Australian flora, but I find it very difficult to plant anything but native flora. Just can't beat the yellow wattle, the red bottle brushes, the grevilleas in their many forms, I could fill this page with the unique species of this continent. I agree whole heartedly that the sheep should go, along with the cattle,cats, pigs, goats, another list could be filled of introduced spp. Because we want something,is the very thinking that got this continent into the ecological stress it now contends with. As much as I love the colours of Autumn in the European and north American trees, the beauty, and life that is supported by native vegetation far outweighs any colour seen in fall. Here I must admit that I do grow a few introduced species, healing herbs, apples, pears, almonds, olives, apricots, plums, raspberries and nashi. There are still times I question them. Lloyd when you speak of what has been done to this land I recall a photo in an article by J> Jenkins; 2 children standing on the ground and behind them is the standing root structure of a tree, the roots go above their heads and is an indicator of the amount of top soil that has blown away. Almost 2 metres in this photo taken in 1900. Ecologically LLoyd it is as Rachel Carson said; "...that all life of the planet is interrelated, that each species has its own ties to others, and that all are related to earth." The unique life, not the introduced life (sheep, cattle, humans) on this continent depends on the native vegetation. We are still discovering new species, two in my region in the last 2 years, with both being listed endangered immediately. All a bit late now as the slopes to this area are planted in Radata Pine. Native veg. will remove us from the edge. L&L Liz
Re: Reception problem Re: Field Broadcaster
Hi merla, did I miss Fred Kirschenmann's message? Could that be shared? .I have an old tape of a talk he gave ,that was great. I'd love to hear what he has to say these days. Thanks :)sharon - Original Message - From: "Merla Barberie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Reception problem Re: Field Broadcaster > Virginia and Allan and all, > > I double-clicked and double-clicked on this and nothing happens. I've > started to get a lot of our emails this way. Some work and some don't. > Also when I can read them, the horizontal margins are just not there. I > have to scroll and scroll with my horizontal arrows and the copy only > stops when there is a period. If I want to read something in comfort, I > have to turn on my word processor and edit/copy the email to read it. > Some messages like Fred Kirschenmann's talk at IFOAM I want to copy > anyway, but lots of emails I don't want permanently. It seems like a > lot of trouble to have to put them on my word processor to read them. > Is there something I can set in Netscape on my MAC to help this? > > I should just be very thankful that I can get most of the messages most > of the time in some way or other, I guess, but this computer technology > is so amazing, I tend to think that everything is possible, but I'm just > dumb. > > Merla > > Virginia Salares wrote: > > >Part 1.1Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > >Encoding: quoted-printable > >
Re: Field Broadcaster
Title: Re: Field Broadcaster dear virginia, well maybe i'm lucky , maybe i'm blessed, and yes some crops get utterly destroyed at times, yet in the 25 years in this one small place , there is awesome abundance there 's plenty of raspberrys , birds have never been a problem, in fact i mourn the loss of species that i've seen over the years. usually for me if there is an insect problem, it means i've got to do things differently, or rotate to a new place, i can't imagine giving up gardening, just hope when or if i get to old to garden, i'll live with someone who still does., I'm only saying that if you can't grow apples , try a different crop. or explore new techniques. :)sharon - Original Message - From: Virginia Salares To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:35 AM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster Dear Sharon, You are most generous and I imagine unruffled even when the corn plants you have sweated over are all broken, your trees are continually browsed or the fruits that you've waited for are strewn all over the place before they even mature. While they may eat some, the damage they cause is to an extent that some people have given up growing a garden altogether. Too bad, because gardening is immensely therapeutic and healing. For animals, there are wild plants in abundance which may be much more healing for them. Virginia - Original Message - From: kentjamescarson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 11:11 PM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster the solution has always been to plant enough for the animals, animals come when they need healing and perhaps your greater service to the world is to help them. ? in the world around us , they are being crowded, perhaps their appearance is a message. to help them, not discourage them. I remember having a problem with something eating something in the early years and it really seems to be a matter of balance, although that is very hard to explain, just that one must plant extra or allow extra for nature and nature will care for you. :)sharon -- --- Original Message - From: Virginia Salares To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster Louise, Several rabbits weree romping and eating my plants earlier in the season. However, we have not seen them for a while. I suspect a predator has made a meal of them. When we thought our vegetable garden was safe, a groundhog took the rabbits' place in spite of an electric fence. (Incidentally, the fence couldn't keep the rabbits away. They didn't seem to get shocked.) Someone told me groundhogs will move away if one pours or aims urine into the hole they go through. Too late now for the squashes which have all been eaten. This pest story truly happened an hour ago. We have a grape vine against the house on a metal arbor. The arbor is a bit awkward to net. My son came to tell me there's a raccoon on the arbor. I didn't believe him, so we got a flashlight and true enough, it was perched eating bunches of grapes and unmoved by four people shooing him off. My husband got the hose and directed it full blast on him. He scampered above the trellis to the stucco just below the gables, trying to run sideways as the water followed him. Suddenly there was a big thump on the cement and away he ran. Now I know who has been eating my grapes. He must have found the Swenson Red grapes tasty even before they are ripe. I can continue with my deer troubles... Today, I started making the kites as per Gil's instructions (see the archives, January 21, 2002). I made two pairs of cedar crosses (half-jointed and dimensions from Gil) that will form the framework for the kites. I actually enjoyed making them. Tomorrow I will be winding the copper wire to form the kites. I hope to finish these before the animals raid the Asian pears. Virginia - Original Message - From: Louise Berry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 4:04 AM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster I want to keep rabbits off my property, away from my plants and out of my life...how do I make contact
Re: Field Broadcaster
James How big a radius does your rabbit work for from the source of the skin Glen James Hedley wrote: > > Dear Louise, > We have a rabbit pepper that you will find very effective without having to > go down the path of a field broadcaster. Send an Email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > and I will see how we can get it to you. > You must live somewhere near us at Running Stream, halfway between Lithgow > and Mudgee. > Regards > James Hedley > - Original Message - > From: "Lloyd Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:03 AM > Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Louise Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 6:04 PM > > Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster > > > > > > Re: Field BroadcasterI want to keep rabbits off my property, away from my > > plants and out of my life...how do I make contact > > > > Hi Louise > > I have made some field broadcasters for people - but have > > not tried them on rabbits yet. Where are you and what size area are you > > looking to protect? > > Lloyd Charles > > > > -- Garuda Biodynamics - for BD Preps, Consultations, Books & Diagrams See our web site @ http://get.to/garuda
Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says BritishGuru
James I am not sure if you have noticed that Australia is the US's little brother and that it is becoming more like the US every day and the people are so party orientated or lethargic that they have not even noticed some of the most draconion legislation in the world against natural health and in support of rampant GE is in OZ. All with out a wimper. As long as no one notices I guess it is not going on. A little like the tree falling in the forest -yeah right. The real axis of evil claims from the EArth Summit has been aimed at Aus. Canada and the US. Ra RA the great aussie rip shit and bust spirit. Yes it is there as it is in the US but the government is doing the same things with the same attitudes with the same outcomes. It only a matter of time and the US and Aussie will be indestinguishable. Glen (expat aussie) James Hedley wrote: > > Dear Allan, > You sound very cynical about society in the US. As I have said many times > before if the kitchen gets too hot you can always come to Australia, which > is generally recognised as being a tolerant society.Come to Australia before > the bottom falls out of the $US. > You wont see such a high proportion of Australians who would support such > draconian measures as removing the right of free speech for anyone who is > critical of the government. > > In the end it is the people who allow governments to terrorise them, not the > terrorists. Support more of your politicians to get a passport and see what > goes on in the real world. It would also help if you got more people to > vote. Somewhere I saw that no more than 30% of Americans vote. If you put > out that you dont care what happens to you, then you must take what you get. > The only way that you are going to recover what you see as the traditional > relationships is to change it person by person. All that you can do is to > change your perceptions, and treat other people the way that you would like > to be treated. > Maybe what is needed is another revolution to allow the new society in. > Remember that it is people who have defined the American dream for you, not > some amorphous multinational. > > James Hedley > > Original Message - > From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:21 AM > Subject: Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says > BritishGuru > > > > > > > > > >Moen Creek wrote: > > > > > >> >but what do the multi-national > > >>corporations care. They will be able to buy "clean" food.< > > >> > > >>What do corporations eat? > > >> > > >People. > > > > > >Patti. > > > > To stealthily make all people vulnerable to them in the very future, > > they devour the traditional relationships between people and between > > people and the world around them, relationships that have sustained > > human cultures for eons. > > > > Gone or going are the traditional relationship between person and > > family of birth, person and teacher, person and physician, person and > > strangers, person and friends, person and the opposite sex, person > > and life mate, person and food, person and nutrition, person and > > personal property, person and public property, person and livelihood, > > and on and on. In the end we will all stand exposed, with nothing but > > the corporate teet to turn to for the support of our lives...or die > > young, a scenario that works well for the corporations. > > > > Many of these devoured relationships, relationships where > > traditionally we have found support for our human being, are > > consumed as we cheer in happiness for the "convenience" that has been > > brought to us in exchange. > > > > -- Garuda Biodynamics - for BD Preps, Consultations, Books & Diagrams See our web site @ http://get.to/garuda
Re: The Perils of BSE
Hi Peter, Our "Why Organic?" booth addressed these issues. It was hard for me to come up with a response to the fair theme, "Star Spangled Memories Uniting Bonner County" because it's obvious that we aren't united and that people with a certain point of view want to force the other's into quiet submission. Do you remember this poem, I'm paraphrasing..."He drew a circle that shut me out, terrorist, rabble-rouser and lout. But love and I had the wit to win, I drew a circle that let him in." When we put the Milky Way with the "You are here." sign under the fair theme on the front of the booth, we were redefining everything. That is what Fred Kirschenmann did in his speech about community. What we are doing on our road is trying to do something positive about our whole watershed, while the logging trucks carry their precious cargo out down our road to a mill. Men in this rural community don't have any work. They will extract timber and minerals as long as the law allows this. Our local and state government in this state has been completely taken over too. Our local middle of the road Republican party was taken over by the far right wing who had help from the outside. How else did they suddenly have their whole voting constituency on computerized "Get out the vote" messages. The Democrats were left far behind. They would not embrace the environmentalists because they wanted to "win," they said, and nobody would vote for an environmental candidate. We have a whole bunch of unrepresented people in this county, none of whom would join the Green Party because it's evident that the laws and practices have already been set up to make it impossible for an independent candidate to win even a county office. Our democratic American values have been taken over by a fascist clique which has turned the whole world against all of us and those of us who are not "united" are disenfranchised in a national election by the Electoral College system. The Quakers are having a silent peace vigil on 9/11 and we are announcing it in the local paper as follows: THERE IS A BETTER WAY September 11th this year will be a day of reflection, first to remember those who lost their lives a year ago and in the days following as we reacted with military actions in the Middle East. But this will also be the time for us to consider the best way to change the attitudes and resolve the conflicts that led up to the events on that fateful day a year ago. As the anniversary of 9/11 approaches, President Bush is campaigning to use this event as the reason to expand the present conflict in the Middle East by invading Iraq. Sandpoint Friends (Quakers) believe that such action (added to the cruel economic sanctions already long imposed, and the more than 75 times we have bombed Iraq since 1999) will not only lose us the cooperation and respect of other nations, but will most surely result in more hatred and violence against the United States. Such action is not only morally wrong, it violates international conventions and completely aborts all efforts of the United Nations to resolve by peaceful means the conflicts that led up to that event. The Society of Friends (Quakers) has long held that conflicts should be resolved by peaceful means. Therefore, the Sandpoint Friends Meeting will hold a silent vigil in front of the Bonner County Courthouse from 5:00 to 6:30 PM on Wednesday, September 11th. Concerned citizens are invited to join the gathering there to bear witness that PEACE IS THE ONLY WAY. === PLANT HOPE, NOT HATE PEACE IS THE WAY TO BEGIN MAKE PEACE, NOT WAR GIVE PEACE A CHANCE Peter, many people all over the globe are suffering from memory loss--some just their working memory (short-term memory) and others have Alzheimers. What is causing this? It's affecting so many people. Is it because everyone is living longer or are there other causes? There should be a way to reverse this trend. I've been searching and the only thing I found was a paper from the Neurobiology Department of the Yale University School of Medicine in Science 287 (17 March 2000) p2020 of the administration of D1 agonist, ABT 431 to female monkeys that they had purposely ruined the short-term memories of with a drug and then brought back somewhat..."These findings indicate that pharmacological modulation of the D1 signaling pathway can produce long-lasting changes in functional circuits underlying working memory. Resetting this pathway by brief exposure to the agonist may provide a valuable strategy for therapeutic intervention in schizophrenia and other dopamine dysfunctional states." Are the BD preps able to do anything about memory? I had to go to the Farmer's Market on Saturday without any breakfast. I just had time to take my vitamins and supplements on an empty stomach. One of the vendors is a grizzled Viet Nam veteran who heals men from the Homeless M
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Reception problem Re: Field Broadcaster
Virginia and Allan and all, I double-clicked and double-clicked on this and nothing happens. I've started to get a lot of our emails this way. Some work and some don't. Also when I can read them, the horizontal margins are just not there. I have to scroll and scroll with my horizontal arrows and the copy only stops when there is a period. If I want to read something in comfort, I have to turn on my word processor and edit/copy the email to read it. Some messages like Fred Kirschenmann's talk at IFOAM I want to copy anyway, but lots of emails I don't want permanently. It seems like a lot of trouble to have to put them on my word processor to read them. Is there something I can set in Netscape on my MAC to help this? I should just be very thankful that I can get most of the messages most of the time in some way or other, I guess, but this computer technology is so amazing, I tend to think that everything is possible, but I'm just dumb. Merla Virginia Salares wrote: >Part 1.1Type: Plain Text (text/plain) >Encoding: quoted-printable
Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable,SaysBritishGuru
Allan Balliett wrote: > > It's incumbent upon me to save more of my brothers and sisters than Noah did. > > How do people work together for a better world? > > The only way that a strong labor union was developed in this country > in the 30's was through the self-reliance of the family farm and the > extended support of extended families. Workers could walk out of the > factory if they knew the folks on the ouside of the town were > producing enough bounty to feed them through the hard times brought > on by striking. That sort of resource for supporting altruism is no > long available to most of us and many in this country are only one or > two paychecks from living on the sidewalk. I empathize with your feelings of urgency in these matters, Allan. I have been teaching others as I learn for the last five years. There aren't many people who want to listen in my area which is another reason I'm going to Kentucky. I have to stop sometimes and remind myself that many people in the free world have the ability to make choices for their lives. Unfortunately they make choices that put them in the bondage that you describe above. Educating them comes about through example as well as by writing and discussing the issues at hand and this is what I mean by being a voice in the wilderness. Of the hundreds of people I've spoken to, only a handful have listened and taken to heart the times we live in. Most make great excuses as to why they cannot change their lives. The truth is they just don't want to make any sacrifices. I just try to link with the few who will change and work with them as I myself continue to grow in knowledge. I have learned that the change must come from the heart first or very little benefit will come. > Ooops, I left off the relationship with church, the one that is being > gobbled up right now through media-induced cynacism about the > altruism of clergy. Institutions are not the answer to our problems. The Roman Catholic church brought on their own problems centuries ago. Patti.
Re: planting extra for the animals
On Monday, September 2, 2002, at 02:13 AM, Roger Pye wrote: > Apparently it is - M has not had any kangaroo problem since - they stay > in their paddock and he and his sheep stay in his. In a forested area, where deer abound, I've come to a similar arrangement. It works well for us. I haven't talked to the rabbits yet, but may feel the need to next year. Bonnie
Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, SaysBritishGuru
In a message dated 9/1/02 10:51:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Continue to be a voice in the wilderness. Just think. Noah endured for 120 years while he built the ark. The people finally realized he wasn't nuts when the rain began to fall from the sky. However, there were eight people who entered the ark. Patti. >> fyi: Noah and these folks that had gotten on the ark where the high priests initiated on Atlantis. They were holy and kept God's word while the rest of the folks descended into an Ahrimanic and Luciferic existence and bastardized and abused their "mystical" powers. These high priests, Noah's "family" became the bloodline that eventually produced the child that had the qualities that enabled the Christ Jesus to incarnate in a human form. I am not sure how knowledge of biodynamics will effect the future of our generation, but we must keep on tryin' and doing the right things so that the earth may be healed. Maybe in our next incarnation things will be easier...sstorch
Re: The Perils of BSE
The citidiots refuse to awaken. So long as they can shuffle off to work and stuff their face with crappy food they are done. Be that as it may, we cannot change those things, we can only lead by example. About your Mom, My Chi Gong doctor said that they do not use gingko for memory. The correct food for the brain is walnuts. Law of similars, a walnut indeed looks like a little brain, Momma may also enjoy it better as a food...give it try. Goodday mate...SStorch
Re: The Perils of BSE
>leaves off a Ginko >Bilboa growing in the garden. Hope you are getting the dosage correct, Peter. Last I heard, it took all the leaves on one tree to collect a remediation level of the phytotoxin that makes ginko a head healer. -Allan
Re: The Perils of BSE
Hi Steve, I think it is a wake up call to our conciousness. Howlong does the alarm bell have to ring before you wake up? How much pain do we bare before we say it is enough at take some decisive action. It took Chernoble to wake Europe up. Then came B.S.E. I have just read an article about the hormone disruption of "Envronmental" chemicals. Like a horror story thats happening right outside our doors. Clean Green N.Z.!! well comparitive to Calcutta, maybe. Good on ya for doing what you do right next to a city where garbage is exported by the trainload or barge load every day and big daddy sees fit to drop a brick on his toe. The World needs more like those who role their sleeves up and grow REAL FOOD! I'm looking after a mother who is heading for alzheimers. Were holding it back as best we can, good B.D. food and leaves off a Ginko Bilboa growing in the garden. Warm regards. Peter. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: planting extra for the animals
mroboz wrote: > Kent's comments make sense at least for some animals. eg. I had > friends who always had a few vegies and a couple of fruit trees > outside their most outer fence. They let the bears have the fruit > from those 2 fruit trees as they never ate the ones inside the > property. They didn't have any deer fences but must have left the > veggies for the deer, who never bothered the veggies inside. Michael > This is a story about a sheep farmer who purchased a property in the Southern Tablelands of NSW. The previous owner was BD oriented, had been running sheep there for at least 15 years. Three months after the new owner moved in, he phoned the other man to complain about the kangaroos which were eating him out of house and home. Wall to wall, he said they were, why hadn't Jake (not his real name) mentioned them to him at the time of the sale. Well, Jake answered that he'd never had any trouble with 'roos; they kept to their paddock and left all his alone. There was a distinct pause at the other end of the line before the new owner asked, cautiously, what he was talking about. That had been their agreement many years before, replied Jake, and both they and he had stuck to it. Anyway, to cut a long story short, Jake visited his old farm and escorted its owner to a paddock adjacent to a belt of trees well away from the homestead, in a corner of which a small 'mob' of 'roos was grazing. They all looked up as he called "May we come in?" from the gate but didn't bound away. This is unusual behaviour for these animals which generally take off at the slightest sound. He opened the gate and both men walked through and to the middle of the paddock, watched by the 'roos. When he figured they were close enough, Jake said out loud "This is M. He is the new owner of this place. He wants to have the same agreement with you that I did. This will be your paddock as it always was. All he wants is for you to leave the other paddocks for his sheep. Is that all right?" Apparently it is - M has not had any kangaroo problem since - they stay in their paddock and he and his sheep stay in his. roger
Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says BritishGuru
Dear Allan, You sound very cynical about society in the US. As I have said many times before if the kitchen gets too hot you can always come to Australia, which is generally recognised as being a tolerant society.Come to Australia before the bottom falls out of the $US. You wont see such a high proportion of Australians who would support such draconian measures as removing the right of free speech for anyone who is critical of the government. In the end it is the people who allow governments to terrorise them, not the terrorists. Support more of your politicians to get a passport and see what goes on in the real world. It would also help if you got more people to vote. Somewhere I saw that no more than 30% of Americans vote. If you put out that you dont care what happens to you, then you must take what you get. The only way that you are going to recover what you see as the traditional relationships is to change it person by person. All that you can do is to change your perceptions, and treat other people the way that you would like to be treated. Maybe what is needed is another revolution to allow the new society in. Remember that it is people who have defined the American dream for you, not some amorphous multinational. James Hedley Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says BritishGuru > > > > > >Moen Creek wrote: > > > >> >but what do the multi-national > >>corporations care. They will be able to buy "clean" food.< > >> > >>What do corporations eat? > >> > >People. > > > >Patti. > > To stealthily make all people vulnerable to them in the very future, > they devour the traditional relationships between people and between > people and the world around them, relationships that have sustained > human cultures for eons. > > Gone or going are the traditional relationship between person and > family of birth, person and teacher, person and physician, person and > strangers, person and friends, person and the opposite sex, person > and life mate, person and food, person and nutrition, person and > personal property, person and public property, person and livelihood, > and on and on. In the end we will all stand exposed, with nothing but > the corporate teet to turn to for the support of our lives...or die > young, a scenario that works well for the corporations. > > Many of these devoured relationships, relationships where > traditionally we have found support for our human being, are > consumed as we cheer in happiness for the "convenience" that has been > brought to us in exchange. > >
Re: Field Broadcaster
Dear Louise, We have a rabbit pepper that you will find very effective without having to go down the path of a field broadcaster. Send an Email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will see how we can get it to you. You must live somewhere near us at Running Stream, halfway between Lithgow and Mudgee. Regards James Hedley - Original Message - From: "Lloyd Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:03 AM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster > > - Original Message - > From: Louise Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster > > > Re: Field BroadcasterI want to keep rabbits off my property, away from my > plants and out of my life...how do I make contact > > Hi Louise > I have made some field broadcasters for people - but have > not tried them on rabbits yet. Where are you and what size area are you > looking to protect? > Lloyd Charles > >
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Re: Field Broadcaster
Title: Re: Field Broadcaster Dear Sharon, You are most generous and I imagine unruffled even when the corn plants you have sweated over are all broken, your trees are continually browsed or the fruits that you've waited for are strewn all over the place before they even mature. While they may eat some, the damage they cause is to an extent that some people have given up growing a garden altogether. Too bad, because gardening is immensely therapeutic and healing. For animals, there are wild plants in abundance which may be much more healing for them. Virginia - Original Message - From: kentjamescarson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 11:11 PM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster the solution has always been to plant enough for the animals, animals come when they need healing and perhaps your greater service to the world is to help them. ? in the world around us , they are being crowded, perhaps their appearance is a message. to help them, not discourage them. I remember having a problem with something eating something in the early years and it really seems to be a matter of balance, although that is very hard to explain, just that one must plant extra or allow extra for nature and nature will care for you. :)sharon -- --- Original Message - From: Virginia Salares To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster Louise, Several rabbits weree romping and eating my plants earlier in the season. However, we have not seen them for a while. I suspect a predator has made a meal of them. When we thought our vegetable garden was safe, a groundhog took the rabbits' place in spite of an electric fence. (Incidentally, the fence couldn't keep the rabbits away. They didn't seem to get shocked.) Someone told me groundhogs will move away if one pours or aims urine into the hole they go through. Too late now for the squashes which have all been eaten. This pest story truly happened an hour ago. We have a grape vine against the house on a metal arbor. The arbor is a bit awkward to net. My son came to tell me there's a raccoon on the arbor. I didn't believe him, so we got a flashlight and true enough, it was perched eating bunches of grapes and unmoved by four people shooing him off. My husband got the hose and directed it full blast on him. He scampered above the trellis to the stucco just below the gables, trying to run sideways as the water followed him. Suddenly there was a big thump on the cement and away he ran. Now I know who has been eating my grapes. He must have found the Swenson Red grapes tasty even before they are ripe. I can continue with my deer troubles... Today, I started making the kites as per Gil's instructions (see the archives, January 21, 2002). I made two pairs of cedar crosses (half-jointed and dimensions from Gil) that will form the framework for the kites. I actually enjoyed making them. Tomorrow I will be winding the copper wire to form the kites. I hope to finish these before the animals raid the Asian pears. Virginia - Original Message - From: Louise Berry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 4:04 AM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster I want to keep rabbits off my property, away from my plants and out of my life...how do I make contact
