Re: Altzheimers.

2002-09-08 Thread James Hedley

No Allan I dont. I always dowse for the potencies as they can change from
time to time, and from person to person.
James
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From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: Altzheimers.


 I suggest that you look at Lachesis 60c as to whether you think that
 it describes the symptoms being experienced.

 James - do you have a materia medica that breaks things out  by
 potentcy as well as remedy? -Allan






Re: Eucalyptus

2002-09-08 Thread Gil Robertson

Hi! Tony,
It is not all, but some specific Eucalypts. Some of the Mallees - these are
multi-trunked trees that grow from a lignatuber, which is the famed Mallee
Stump, the preferred fire wood in the drier areas. In my area the Sugar Gum, E.
cladocalyx, will allow no pasture grasses to grow under them, but some native
grasses will. The is some times used in property planing and management. A strip
of mallee a chain or so wide will stop most weeds invading, while a stand of
sugar gum can form a fire break for grass fires.

Gil

Tony Nelson-Smith wrote:

 Interested to read about inhibiton of germination under eucalypts.  Is this
 restricetd to certain species?  Is there also inhibition of growth of plants
 spreading in from beyond the sphere of influence?
 I ask because I have a shelter-belt of large (?) snow gums, plus several
 single ones scattered around elsewhere, here in South Wales (UK) and have
 noticed no restriction of growth beneath them.
 BTW, did you know that when eucalypts first became popular in Britain a
 couple of decades ago, people planted species such as E. gunnii which were
 listed as 'hardy':  turns out that they are sensitive to frost but
 hardiness, in Australasia, refers to restistance to drought.
 Tony N-S.

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Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq

2002-09-08 Thread Allan Balliett

The strike was reported on CNN the morning after it happened, though was not
a lot of discussion concerning it. Just another news item

Don

Thanks for this info, Don.

Thats probably what we call 'a leak in the Matrix,' proof that we 
live in a free country where someone can actually post a story the 
Powers do not want to circulate before their management tells them 
that that story is not being covered. A similar story was the report 
of a 'terrorist' being shot outside of the World Trade Center the 
morning of Sept 11, hours before the attack. Although I talked to 
people who heard that broadcast, it's never been repeated to 
discussed to my knowledge since. -Allan




Re: regeneration OT USA?

2002-09-08 Thread Gil Robertson

Hi! Liz,
Briefly: Heavily graze the land to be direct seeded for two years, during seed
set, to reduce seed level. Most sites are sprayed with Roundup after the
germination of the grasses to reduce competition for water. (I am trying
vinegar/ lemon juice, as mentioned on this list earlier.) We tend to seed in
early spring as earlier the young plants may get too wet. The seeder we use has
been developed over twenty years and by several people adding their ideas. It is
basically a ripper on the three point linkage of a Fordson 5000, with two
blades, which skim the weeds and seeds aside. There are two revolving seed
drums, each with two sections. The seed is dropped onto the rip line and also to
the side. A press wheel follows and the seeding mechanism is belt driven from
it, so when the ripper is lifted, the whole thing stops. We use fifty to eighty
varieties between the four seed dispensers on any one site. Some times it is
necessary to spray for red legged earth mite or like. It seems to work better
later rather than too early. NB we have a Mediterranean type climate with most
of our rain in winter/ spring with dry summer.

Gil
Liz Davis wrote:

 Hi Gil, James et al,

 The work you are doing sounds very interesting Gil.  I've been asked by my
 local landcare group to follow up the lack of success of direct drilling
 native tree seeds into paddocks.




The Dadswell Collection

2002-09-08 Thread Roger Pye

It is about a year since I first heard of the hardwood samples at the 
Australian National University (ANU) in Canberra, Australia's National 
Capital. Their story, which I researched and wrote up some months ago, 
has nothing whatever to do with biodynamics. However, I have submitted 
it to the list knowing that there are members who are tree-lovers or who 
appreciate the value of timber in mapping out the history of our planet 
and people. It is my fervent hope that someone will come up with an 
inexpensive answer to the problem posed.

*

The Dadswell Collection

In the 1920s, Australia was a timber importer and a fledgling timber 
exporter. Someone (at the Council of Science and Industrial Research 
(CSIR) in Melbourne, as the Commonwealth Scientific amd Industrial 
Research Organisation (CSIRO) was known then) recognised that we as a 
nation did not have a ready means of positively identifying our hardwood 
timber species and set about organising one by calling for samples from 
all over this country. In the early 30s, the samples were assembled into 
a collection by a CSIR person named H.E. Dadswell, in conjunction with 
two other people (Maisie Burnell  Audrey M Eckersley) who then produced 
several reference works.

In all, the Collection consisted of samples from 13,000 tree species of 
9,000 genera belonging to a total of about 270 botanical families - from 
Acanthaceae to Zygophyllaceae. Samples from butt sap, butt truewood, 
and toplog were taken from each tree.  Each sample was an undressed 
block approximately 600mm x 100mm x 50mm (24 x 4 x 2). Pieces 
measuring 100mm to 150mm long were cut from the butt truewood samples 
for macroscopic and microscopic examination.

One of the reference books is entitled Methods for the Identification of 
the Light-Coloured Woods of the Genus Eucalyptus. I have a copy which I 
tracked down at an auction house in Adelaide, South Australia. It 
contains 60 pages of methodology; tree descriptions (of 41 species of 
Eucalypts) including common  botanical names, distribution, general 
properties, basic density, burning splinter test result, and anatomy; 
and 41 photographic plates. The tree species range from E. gigantea - 
Alpine Ash to E. consideniana - Yertchuk.

The Collection was held by CSIR's Division of Forestry Products in 
Melbourne for some considerable time and then one or more pieces 25mm 
were cut from each sample and collated into a second collection. They 
number in total 47,000. At some time (presumably when Dadswell died) 
this second collection was named the H.E. Dadswell Memorial Wood 
Collection; since then the words 'and Slide' have been added after 
'Wood. In 1993, three further reference books were compiled using this 
collection which has been described by CSIRO as 'an important national 
resource'.

(One would have to agree, considering that a great number of these tree 
species are now either extinct, commercially extinct, or 'locked up' in 
national parks. One would also think that the original collection was an 
equal important national resource. However .)

When the second collection had been put together, the original one was 
offloaded on to Latrobe University in Victoria ('offloaded' is my word - 
it may not have been as casual as that). It was kept there for a number 
of years until the institution ran out of space (or the inclination to 
hold on to it wore off) and then the decision was made to dispose of it 
at the local landfill! Fortunately, a Reader in Wood Science at the 
Department of Forestry, Australian National University, Dr Philip Evans, 
heard about it and with the help of a sympathetic faculty head, had the 
collection trucked to Canberra.

A happy ending, one might think. But, No. The collection (down, I think, 
to a few hundred samples) is stored under tarpaulins in the open air; 
the blocks are packed in banana boxes. They are deteriorating badly, 
which is hardly surprising.

There was a woodworking exhibition last year called Rings of History. 
The beautiful artefacts in it were made from some of the blocks in this 
collection. They may (probably 'will') be the last objects made if we do 
not somehow get that collection into clean, dry and secure surroundings 
very quickly indeed.

You may wonder what my interest in this affair is. It's very simple. 
Most of my life I spent in the RAF and RAAF but it's irrelevant to this. 
For most of the last 15 years I was a woodworker working with recycled 
timbers. (Not a turner, but a box and cabinet maker.) Most of the woods 
I have used have been common-or-garden compared to many in this 
collection; indeed, I know my limitations very well and while I have the 
skills to dress and lacquer the samples (which is surely part of what 
they need) I could in no way match the brilliance of the Rings of 
History collection.)

In 1993 I was living in a tiny village near the Sassafras Hills between 
Braidwood and Nowra in NSW. At that time I was exploring the old 

Re: Field Broadcaster

2002-09-08 Thread Allan Balliett

I agree with Virginia.

When you're growing for a CSA, you've made a commitment to families 
with children to provide them with as much food as your skill and the 
season allow.
Deer damage much more than what they eat. One of the worst things 
they will do is trample remay that is excluding flea beetles (oops, 
there I go again!!) from cole crops. Their hooves tear the remay, 
damage that may not be discovered until harvest time. (Which remind 
me: as well as zuchinni that seemed to bear for months, I seem to 
remember remay that didn't tear as easily as any remay I buy nowadays 
does.)

We get lots of stuff just out and out trampled also.

The deer only bother our stuff, however, when it's more desireable 
than what they can fine in the woods. This season, apparently, there 
wasnt a lot of edamame out in the woods.

Dear Sharon,

You are most generous and I imagine unruffled even when the corn 
plants you have sweated over are all broken, your trees are 
continually browsed or the fruits that you've waited for are strewn 
all over the place before they even mature.  While they may eat 
some, the damage they cause is to an extent that some people have 
given up growing a garden altogether.  Too bad, because gardening is 
immensely therapeutic and healing. For animals, there are wild 
plants in abundance which may be much more healing for them.

Virginia




Re: regeneration / direct seeding

2002-09-08 Thread Lloyd Charles

Hi Liz  (and Gil)
  Graham Strong and his family at Narrandera has had
good success with direct seeding local tree species - they were featured on
the front cover of The Land newspaper earlier this year - they use a 30
foot (I think) air seeder. Seems to me the common thing that successful
direct seeding implements have is (as Gil described ) a system of blade
scraping or similar to clear aside the shallow topsoil layer containing the
weed seeds and leaving a strip a foot or so wide of completely bare soil to
seed into.
Liz for info on chemical effects try the Northwest Co-alition Against
Pesticides NCAP search should locate it. Look at roundup and the soil active
herbicides first - there is a lot of references - also David Suzuki's book
Naked Ape to Super Species heaps of reference material too. The scientists
have done the research work and its published but nothing gets any further -
funds are cut and the info gets buried.
Also Gil there was a feature on Landline several months back about clay
pelleting seed these people were doing it by hand - making pellets about
marble size with a mix of native seeds in the clay - so that if enough rain
came to dissolve the large clay pellet and expose seed there was a
reasonable chance there was enough moisture to get germination and
establishment of the seeds. Is this what you are doing??
Cheers
Lloyd Charles




Re: Field Broadcaster

2002-09-08 Thread kentjamescarson

  Allen and Virginia ,   A while back ,before we got our dog, we went on a
trip and came home to a devestated corn patch, with lots of half eaten corn,
damage from a coon  . We now have  a big yellow lab that feels duty bound to
protect the perimiters, she had a groundhog in a tree last year for a whole
day, till we brought her indoors so the groundhog could leave. Perhaps the
right dog could help send the word out to the critters to keep their
distance.  We have some bd neighbors who actually bought and trained their
dog to guard their flock of 300 egg layers that were free ranged from the
healthy population of fox in the woods surrounding them. just a thought. We
all need to eat. ( csa members included.) :)sharon
- Original Message -
From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster


 I agree with Virginia.

 When you're growing for a CSA, you've made a commitment to families
 with children to provide them with as much food as your skill and the
 season allow.
 Deer damage much more than what they eat. One of the worst things
 they will do is trample remay that is excluding flea beetles (oops,
 there I go again!!) from cole crops. Their hooves tear the remay,
 damage that may not be discovered until harvest time. (Which remind
 me: as well as zuchinni that seemed to bear for months, I seem to
 remember remay that didn't tear as easily as any remay I buy nowadays
 does.)

 We get lots of stuff just out and out trampled also.

 The deer only bother our stuff, however, when it's more desireable
 than what they can fine in the woods. This season, apparently, there
 wasnt a lot of edamame out in the woods.

 Dear Sharon,
 
 You are most generous and I imagine unruffled even when the corn
 plants you have sweated over are all broken, your trees are
 continually browsed or the fruits that you've waited for are strewn
 all over the place before they even mature.  While they may eat
 some, the damage they cause is to an extent that some people have
 given up growing a garden altogether.  Too bad, because gardening is
 immensely therapeutic and healing. For animals, there are wild
 plants in abundance which may be much more healing for them.
 
 Virginia







Re: Field Broadcaster

2002-09-08 Thread kentjamescarson

 Dear Allen and Virginia  .  I didn't mean that you shouldn't seek a
solution for the problem, and just let them damage your crops.  Awhile back
we went on a trip and found our winter corn crop totally destroyed by
racoons. We now have a big yellow lab that feels duty bound to keep critters
at bay.  We get deer out in the pasture with the horses but none in the
gardens yet. We have a neighbor with 300 free range laying hens , that
bought and had trained a dog to guard their flock from fox .  Perhaps the
right dog would do the trick.We all need to eat  real food (csa members
included) :) sharon.
- Original Message -
From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster


 I agree with Virginia.

 When you're growing for a CSA, you've made a commitment to families
 with children to provide them with as much food as your skill and the
 season allow.
 Deer damage much more than what they eat. One of the worst things
 they will do is trample remay that is excluding flea beetles (oops,
 there I go again!!) from cole crops. Their hooves tear the remay,
 damage that may not be discovered until harvest time. (Which remind
 me: as well as zuchinni that seemed to bear for months, I seem to
 remember remay that didn't tear as easily as any remay I buy nowadays
 does.)

 We get lots of stuff just out and out trampled also.

 The deer only bother our stuff, however, when it's more desireable
 than what they can fine in the woods. This season, apparently, there
 wasnt a lot of edamame out in the woods.

 Dear Sharon,
 
 You are most generous and I imagine unruffled even when the corn
 plants you have sweated over are all broken, your trees are
 continually browsed or the fruits that you've waited for are strewn
 all over the place before they even mature.  While they may eat
 some, the damage they cause is to an extent that some people have
 given up growing a garden altogether.  Too bad, because gardening is
 immensely therapeutic and healing. For animals, there are wild
 plants in abundance which may be much more healing for them.
 
 Virginia







Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq

2002-09-08 Thread Eve Cruse



 From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 06:58:56 -0400
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq
 
 The strike was reported on CNN the morning after it happened, though was not
 a lot of discussion concerning it. Just another news item
 
 Don
 
 Thanks for this info, Don.
 
 Thats probably what we call 'a leak in the Matrix,' proof that we
 live in a free country where someone can actually post a story the
 Powers do not want to circulate before their management tells them
 that that story is not being covered. A similar story was the report
 of a 'terrorist' being shot outside of the World Trade Center the
 morning of Sept 11, hours before the attack. Although I talked to
 people who heard that broadcast, it's never been repeated to
 discussed to my knowledge since. -Allan
 
Allan, I rather doubt that there is an active system of news suppression in
the US. I think its more a question of editorial sensitivity as to what
their readers and listeners want to hear.

For example, about six months back Noam Chomsky gave a lecture in Islamabad,
attended by some two-thousand Pakistanian intelligensia, In which he was
extremely critical of American foreign policy. There was a quite detailed
report on it carried on the news services at the time, but categorized as an
'op Ed.' To my knowledge none of the major American networks picked up on
the story, so that as far as the US public was concerned it might just as
well not have happened.

Don 




Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq

2002-09-08 Thread mroboz

Also, as far as North America is concerned, Chomsky's book, published in
Britain, does not exist.  No publisher in the US was willing to publish it.
It is highly critical of US gov't policies.
Michael
- Original Message -
From: Eve Cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq




  From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 06:58:56 -0400
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq
 
  The strike was reported on CNN the morning after it happened, though
was not
  a lot of discussion concerning it. Just another news item
 
  Don
 
  Thanks for this info, Don.
 
  Thats probably what we call 'a leak in the Matrix,' proof that we
  live in a free country where someone can actually post a story the
  Powers do not want to circulate before their management tells them
  that that story is not being covered. A similar story was the report
  of a 'terrorist' being shot outside of the World Trade Center the
  morning of Sept 11, hours before the attack. Although I talked to
  people who heard that broadcast, it's never been repeated to
  discussed to my knowledge since. -Allan
 
 Allan, I rather doubt that there is an active system of news suppression
in
 the US. I think its more a question of editorial sensitivity as to what
 their readers and listeners want to hear.

 For example, about six months back Noam Chomsky gave a lecture in
Islamabad,
 attended by some two-thousand Pakistanian intelligensia, In which he was
 extremely critical of American foreign policy. There was a quite detailed
 report on it carried on the news services at the time, but categorized as
an
 'op Ed.' To my knowledge none of the major American networks picked up on
 the story, so that as far as the US public was concerned it might just as
 well not have happened.

 Don







Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq

2002-09-08 Thread Moen Creek
Title: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq



The Madison weekly paper Isthmus does carry his weekly column. But it's long been said that Madison 30square miles surrounded by reality.

Markess

From: mroboz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:40:46 -0700
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq

Also, as far as North America is concerned, Chomsky's book, published in
Britain, does not exist. No publisher in the US was willing to publish it.
It is highly critical of US gov't policies.
Michael







Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq

2002-09-08 Thread Essie Hull

At 09:40 AM 09/08/02 -0700, you wrote:
Also, as far as North America is
concerned, Chomsky's book, published in
Britain, does not exist. No publisher in the US was willing to
publish it.
It is highly critical of US gov't policies.
Michael
- Original Message -
All of Chomsky's many books are highly critical of US gov't
policies. Is this a new book (written after his book: 9-11)
and, if so, what's the title? 
Essie



Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq

2002-09-08 Thread Allan Balliett

At 09:40 AM 09/08/02 -0700, you wrote:

Also, as far as North America is concerned, Chomsky's book, published in
Britain, does not exist.  No publisher in the US was willing to publish it.
It is highly critical of US gov't policies.
Michael
- Original Message -


All of Chomsky's many books are highly critical of US gov't 
policies.  Is this a new book (written after his book: 9-11) and, if 
so, what's the title?
Essie

If it is the book 9-11, I picked that one up at Borders -Allan




Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq

2002-09-08 Thread Allan Balliett

Don -

We've run pieces on BD Now! about the Matrix earlier. Put simply, it 
is essentially a coherent PR program that markets EVERYTHING to the 
American people. Management people by their nature have an innate 
sense of what the PR machine promotes and what it denies. That in 
itself is usually enough to 'keep the vision consistent.' Sometimes, 
though, a young reporter will post a story that gets out. It only 
gets out once, though. Management kills the follow-up or expansion.

Like the story I heard on NPR one morning on the epidemic of e-coli 
contamination of meat in Japan. Or the one on how the Mormon Church 
owns 90 percent of the mass media in North America, and so on.

Totalitarian? Business as Usual? Who knows, eh?

Allan, I rather doubt that there is an active system of news suppression in
the US. I think its more a question of editorial sensitivity as to what
their readers and listeners want to hear.

For example, about six months back Noam Chomsky gave a lecture in Islamabad,
attended by some two-thousand Pakistanian intelligensia, In which he was
extremely critical of American foreign policy. There was a quite detailed
report on it carried on the news services at the time, but categorized as an
'op Ed.' To my knowledge none of the major American networks picked up on
the story, so that as far as the US public was concerned it might just as
well not have happened.

Don




Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq

2002-09-08 Thread Essie Hull

I'm asking if he's written anything since he wrote 9-11.  To my knowledge, 
that was published in the US.  I've been looking for something from him any 
day now since Bush et al went so unabashedly off the deep end and our 
freedoms vanish by the moment.
Essie

At 02:49 PM 09/08/02 -0400, you wrote:
At 09:40 AM 09/08/02 -0700, you wrote:

Also, as far as North America is concerned, Chomsky's book, published in
Britain, does not exist.  No publisher in the US was willing to publish it.
It is highly critical of US gov't policies.
Michael
- Original Message -

All of Chomsky's many books are highly critical of US gov't policies.  Is 
this a new book (written after his book: 9-11) and, if so, what's the title?
Essie

If it is the book 9-11, I picked that one up at Borders -Allan





Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq

2002-09-08 Thread gary elliott

As a Canadian mouse living beside the American elephant, my take on the
dullness of discourse that happens in the American main stream psyche is
that they are like a gigantic booster club, generating a spirit of
exceptionalism, that somehow character, ideas, and spirit are just
inherently better in the USA than anywhere else in the world.

But, in order to maintain this foggy myth, the American mainstream  mind
finds it necessary to block out anything foreign, and anything that might
call into question this mindless mantra. The members of the Rotary Club
ignore what is happening in the Lions Club.

So, the media, in order to maintain their prime product, advertising,
continue not to inform, but to stroke the masses to maintain the myth. There
is something more sinister going on though, a cultural myopia to reality,
and the lack of courage to challenge the status quo.

Think of the USA as a large service club, started under the auspices of a
profound and great charter, the Declaration of Independence, that has
allowed itself to nudge, cajole , and often twist its Charter  into
something that the founding fathers would cry out against in alarm.

Mythology can be dangerous. An example is the constant  clamour I hear from
Americans about our so called socialist health care system here in Canada.
I always counter with  Socialized health care? But what about the
socialized sidewalks I see all over the USA? The government takes tax
dollars from you, builds the sidewalks, and lets poor people and rich walk
side by side on them.

The most difficult chore for all of us cultivate a desperate need for the
truth. And to learn to accept what we find.

Gary Elliott

.

- Original Message -
From: Essie Hull [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq


 I'm asking if he's written anything since he wrote 9-11.  To my knowledge,
 that was published in the US.  I've been looking for something from him
any
 day now since Bush et al went so unabashedly off the deep end and our
 freedoms vanish by the moment.
 Essie

 At 02:49 PM 09/08/02 -0400, you wrote:
 At 09:40 AM 09/08/02 -0700, you wrote:
 
 Also, as far as North America is concerned, Chomsky's book, published
in
 Britain, does not exist.  No publisher in the US was willing to publish
it.
 It is highly critical of US gov't policies.
 Michael
 - Original Message -
 
 All of Chomsky's many books are highly critical of US gov't policies.
Is
 this a new book (written after his book: 9-11) and, if so, what's the
title?
 Essie
 
 If it is the book 9-11, I picked that one up at Borders -Allan







Re:correction/ direct seeding

2002-09-08 Thread Lloyd Charles


From Lloyd Charles
 Hi Liz  (and Gil)
   Graham Strong and his family at Narrandera has
had
 good success with direct seeding local tree species - they were featured
on
 the front cover of The Land newspaper earlier this year - they use a 30
 foot (I think) air seeder.
OOps  That was front cover of the 0269 phone book - sorry




Re: regeneration / direct seeding

2002-09-08 Thread Gil Robertson

Hi! Liz and Lloyd

Two points.

Our seeders have a single ripper and the blade clear about three feet wide. The
tractor is driven in loops and swirls to try and make many different micro
climes.


Re hand made pellets. Almost imposibly to make any meaningful quantity. Merrick
and Marrion sat down the other night with two and a half kilos of seed needed
for a job. Five hours later they had used twenty grams of seed!!!

Gil




Re: The Dadswell Collection

2002-09-08 Thread Gil Robertson

Hi! Roger,
Thank you for posting this.

It is a sad reflection of our country and how we care for it.

I wonder if there is a Woody's Group or a federation of Woody Groups who
could take it on as a project, in the interest of their interest?

Gil

Roger Pye wrote:

 It is about a year since I first heard of the hardwood samples at the
 Australian National University (ANU) in Canberra, Australia's National
 Capital.




OT: FW: [globalnews] Meditation Focus #71: Preventing a New GulfWar and Shifting The Focus Towards Peace

2002-09-08 Thread Jane Sherry
Title: OT: FW: [globalnews] Meditation Focus #71: Preventing a New Gulf War and Shifting The Focus Towards Peace




For the whole of this message go to: http://www.aei.ca/~cep/MeditationFocus71.htm



Hello,

What follows is the 71th Meditation Focus suggested for the two consecutive
weeks beginning Sunday, September 8, 2002.

Preventing a New Gulf War and Shifting The Focus Towards Peace

1. Summary
2. Meditation times
3. More information on this Meditation Focus

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1. SUMMARY

As we approach the first anniversary of a tragic event that has left deep
emotional traumas in so many humans and after a military campaign that has
tried to eradicate from Afghanistan those allegedly responsible for this
catastrophe, the country that has taken upon itself to lead an
international coalition to root out terrorists wherever they may be is now
facing the difficult task of convincing an increasingly skeptical
international community that one of his old foes, Saddam Hussein, is up to
ill intents and is feverishly striving to acquire some of the most
devastating and lethal weapons ever designed, and the means to deliver
them, so as to avenge the devastation visited upon his country during the
1991 Gulf War. Whether this threat is real and imminent remains to be
proven - according to Scott Ritter, a UN weapons inspector in Iraq for six
years, as of December 1998 when inspectors with the United Nations Special
Commission (UNSCOM) were pulled from Iraq prior to a heavy four-day U.S.
bombing campaign, 95% of Iraq's nuclear, biological and chemical weapons
had been destroyed and the crippling trade embargo imposed upon Iraq since
1991 by the U.N. has certainly greatly hampered any possible re-armament
effort - but so far this has not stopped the hyping of this threat by
hawkish elements within the U.S. administration bent on even going it alone
to finish the job left undone in 1991 and effect a regime change. The
military planning and armament build up around Iraq is already at an
advanced stage of readiness and the drums of war are beating louder every
day for what is portrayed to be an all-out military assault reminiscent of
the carnage that left over 200,000 Iraqi people dead (according to former
U.S. Navy Secretary John Lehman), including up to 3,000 civilians
(according to the Human Rights Watch organization) in the first Gulf War,
and with consequences that could reap apart the fragile political balance
of the Middle East and potentially bring about calamitous destruction for
millions of innocent people. Actually, it can also be argued that this war
has already begun just a couple days ago when 100 British and United States
war planes attacked an air defence base in western Iraq, apparently to
allow easy access for special forces helicopters to fly into Iraq to hunt
down Scud missiles before a possible war within the next few months.

It is worth mentioning also that according to reliable estimates by the
UNICEF, well over a million Iraqis, including some 500,000 children, have
died as a result of the U.S-led sanctions regime in place for the last
decade (a regime that has been described as the most draconian and
prolonged economic sanctions ever imposed by the United Nations), while an
estimated 5,000 to 6,000 children still die every month from various
preventable, sanctions-related diseases, a situation which led in September
1998 to the resignation of Denis Halliday, as head of the UN humanitarian
programme in Iraq, in protest against the morally indefensible consequences
of UN policy towards Iraq. In February 2000, his successor, Hans von
Sponeck, also resigned and both have since campaigned for the lifting of
sanctions on Iraq. Smart Bombs dropped by the U.S. 11 years ago targeted
water treatment plants, sewage treatment plants, power plants, schools and
hospitals. As a result the overall deterioration in the quality and
quantity of drinking water has contributed to the rapid spread of
infectious disease. Raw sewage often flows into streets and homes. [World
Food Program] One-fourth of Iraqi children under the age of five are
malnourished. [UN Report, March 1999] There has been a 160 percent rise in
Iraq's infant mortality rate since 1991. Iraq has the highest increase in
child mortality during the period 1990-99 of 188 countries surveyed.
[UNICEF, December 2000] As many as 70 percent of Iraqi women suffer from
anemia as Iraq experienced a shift from relative affluence to massive
poverty. [UN Report, March 1999]

Please dedicate your prayers and meditations, as guided by Spirit, in the
coming two weeks, and especially in synchronous attunement at the usual
time for the next 2 Sundays, starting at 16:00 Universal Time (GMT), to
contribute in preventing the onset of another terrible war in the Middle
East through envisioning a positive, non-violent solution to the risks
posed by all modern weapons capable of inflicting massive death, such as
can be fostered by concerted actions by and humanitarian 

FW: [globalnews] The Living Light

2002-09-08 Thread Jane Sherry
Title: FW: [globalnews] The Living Light






THE LIVING LIGHT

Christ is incarnate in all humanity. Prometheus is bound for ever 
within us. They are the same. They are a host, and the divine 
incarnation was not spoken of one, but of all those who descending 
into the lower world tried to change it into the divine image and to 
wrest out of chaos a kingdom for the empire of light. The angels saw 
below them in chaos a senseless rout blind with elemental passion for 
ever warring with discordant cries which broke in upon the world of 
divine beauty; and that the pain might depart, they grew rebellious in 
the Master's peace, and descending to earth the angelic lights were 
crucified in men; leaving so radiant worlds, such a light of beauty, 
for earth's grey twilight filled with tears, that through this 
elemental life might breathe the starry music brought from Him. If 
the Foreseer be a true name for the Titan, it follows that in the 
host which he represents was a light which well foreknew all the dark 
paths of its journey; foreseeing the bitter struggle with a hostile 
nature, but foreseeing perhaps a gain, a distant glory o'er the hills 
of sorrow, and that chaos, divine and transformed, with only gentle 
breathing, lit up by the Christ-soul of the universe. There is a 
transforming power in the thought itself: we can no longer condemn 
the fallen, they who laid aside their thrones of ancient power, their 
spirit ecstasy and beauty, on such a mission. Perhaps those who sank 
lowest did so to raise a greater burden, and of these most fallen it 
may in the hour of their resurrection be said, The last shall be 
first.. . . 
Our deepest life is when we are alone. We think most truly, love 
best, when isolated from the outer world in that mystic abyss we call 
soul. Nothing external can equal the fulness of these moments. We may 
sit in the blue twilight with a friend, or bend together by the 
hearth, half whispering, or in a silence populous with loving thoughts 
mutually understood; then we may feel happy and at peace, but it is 
only because we are lulled by a semblance to deeper intimacies. When 
we think of a friend, and the loved one draws nigh, we sometimes feel 
half-pained, for we touched something in our solitude which the 
living presence shut out; we seem more apart, and would fain wave them 
away and cry, Call me not forth from this; I am no more a spirit if 
I leave my throne. But these moods, though lit up by intuitions of 
the true, are too partial, they belong too much to the twilight of the 
heart, they have too dreamy a temper to serve us well in life. We 
should wish rather for our thoughts a directness such as belongs to 
the messengers of the gods, swift, beautiful, flashing presences bent 
on purposes well understood. 
What we need is that interior tenderness shall be elevated into 
seership, that what in most is only yearning or blind love shall see 
clearly its way and hope. To this end we have to observe more 
intently the nature of the interior life. We find, indeed, that it is 
not a solitude at all, but dense with multitudinous being: instead of 
being alone we are in the thronged highways of existence. For our 
guidance when entering here many words of warning have been uttered, 
laws have been outlined, and beings full of wonder, terror, and 
beauty described. Yet there is a spirit in us deeper than our 
intellectual being which I think of as the Hero in man, who feels the 
nobility of its place in the midst of all this, and who would fain 
equal the greatness of perception with deeds as great. The weariness 
and sense of futility which often falls upon the mystic after much 
thought is due to this, that he has not recognized that he must be 
worker as well as seer, that here he has duties demanding a more 
sustained endurance just as the inner life is so much vaster and more 
intense than the life he has left behind. 
Now the duties which can be taken up by the soul are exactly 
those which it feels most inadequate to perform when acting as an 
embodied being. What shall be done to quiet the heart-cry of the 
world: how answer the dumb appeal for help we so often divine below 
eyes that laugh? It is the saddest of all sorrows to think that pity 
with no hands to heal, that love without a voice to speak, should 
helplessly heap their pain upon pain while earth shall endure. But 
there is a truth about sorrow which I think may make it seem not so 
hopeless. There are fewer barriers than we think: there is, in truth, 
an inner alliance between the soul who would fain give and the soul 
who is in need. Nature has well provided that not one golden ray of 
all our thoughts is sped ineffective through the dark; not one drop 
of the magical elixirs love distils is wasted 
Surely it was to bring comfort to hearts like thine that that 
most noble of all meditations was ordained by the Buddha. He lets his 
mind pervade one quarter of the world with thoughts of Love, and so 
the 

FW: [globalnews] War against Saddam? Make your voice heard!

2002-09-08 Thread Jane Sherry
Title: FW: [globalnews] War against Saddam? Make your voice heard!




Dear Voter,

President Bush has pledged to get approval from Congress before taking
action against Saddam Hussein, whom he describes as a serious threat. Many
lawmakers agree that Saddam must be removed, but some say that Bush has not
made a good enough case for war.

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senators if they should vote for or against an attack on Iraq. When you vote
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Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq

2002-09-08 Thread kentjamescarson

 the desparate truth is that american or perhaps all people are lazy given
the choice. it is easier to buy cheap produce from the industrial machine
than to relate to your local farmer and until there is no competition the
local farmer will not be really supported. hard words but the truth as i see
it so many people don't want to do the work. In love sharon.
- Original Message -
From: gary elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq


 As a Canadian mouse living beside the American elephant, my take on the
 dullness of discourse that happens in the American main stream psyche is
 that they are like a gigantic booster club, generating a spirit of
 exceptionalism, that somehow character, ideas, and spirit are just
 inherently better in the USA than anywhere else in the world.

 But, in order to maintain this foggy myth, the American mainstream  mind
 finds it necessary to block out anything foreign, and anything that might
 call into question this mindless mantra. The members of the Rotary Club
 ignore what is happening in the Lions Club.

 So, the media, in order to maintain their prime product, advertising,
 continue not to inform, but to stroke the masses to maintain the myth.
There
 is something more sinister going on though, a cultural myopia to reality,
 and the lack of courage to challenge the status quo.

 Think of the USA as a large service club, started under the auspices of a
 profound and great charter, the Declaration of Independence, that has
 allowed itself to nudge, cajole , and often twist its Charter  into
 something that the founding fathers would cry out against in alarm.

 Mythology can be dangerous. An example is the constant  clamour I hear
from
 Americans about our so called socialist health care system here in
Canada.
 I always counter with  Socialized health care? But what about the
 socialized sidewalks I see all over the USA? The government takes tax
 dollars from you, builds the sidewalks, and lets poor people and rich walk
 side by side on them.

 The most difficult chore for all of us cultivate a desperate need for the
 truth. And to learn to accept what we find.

 Gary Elliott

 .

 - Original Message -
 From: Essie Hull [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 3:15 PM
 Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq


  I'm asking if he's written anything since he wrote 9-11.  To my
knowledge,
  that was published in the US.  I've been looking for something from him
 any
  day now since Bush et al went so unabashedly off the deep end and our
  freedoms vanish by the moment.
  Essie
 
  At 02:49 PM 09/08/02 -0400, you wrote:
  At 09:40 AM 09/08/02 -0700, you wrote:
  
  Also, as far as North America is concerned, Chomsky's book, published
 in
  Britain, does not exist.  No publisher in the US was willing to
publish
 it.
  It is highly critical of US gov't policies.
  Michael
  - Original Message -
  
  All of Chomsky's many books are highly critical of US gov't policies.
 Is
  this a new book (written after his book: 9-11) and, if so, what's the
 title?
  Essie
  
  If it is the book 9-11, I picked that one up at Borders -Allan
 
 
 






Re: [globalnews] The Living Light

2002-09-08 Thread kentjamescarson
Title: FW: [globalnews] The Living Light



Thank you jane for this uplifting post 
:)sharon

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jane 
  Sherry 
  To: BdNow 
  Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:32 
  PM
  Subject: FW: [globalnews] The Living 
  Light
  THE LIVING 
  LIGHTChrist is incarnate in all humanity. 
  Prometheus is bound for ever within us. They are the same. They are a 
  host, and the divine incarnation was not spoken of one, but of all those 
  who descending into the lower world tried to change it into the divine 
  image and to wrest out of chaos a kingdom for the empire of light. The 
  angels saw below them in chaos a senseless rout blind with elemental 
  passion for ever warring with discordant cries which broke in upon the 
  world of divine beauty; and that the pain might depart, they grew 
  rebellious in the Master's peace, and descending to earth the angelic 
  lights were crucified in men; leaving so radiant worlds, such a light of 
  beauty, for earth's grey twilight filled with tears, that through this 
  elemental life might breathe the starry music brought from Him. If the 
  "Foreseer" be a true name for the Titan, it follows that in the host which 
  he represents was a light which well foreknew all the dark paths of its 
  journey; foreseeing the bitter struggle with a hostile nature, but 
  foreseeing perhaps a gain, a distant glory o'er the hills of sorrow, and 
  that chaos, divine and transformed, with only gentle breathing, lit up by 
  the Christ-soul of the universe. There is a transforming power in the 
  thought itself: we can no longer condemn the fallen, they who laid aside 
  their thrones of ancient power, their spirit ecstasy and beauty, on such a 
  mission. Perhaps those who sank lowest did so to raise a greater burden, 
  and of these most fallen it may in the hour of their resurrection be said, 
  "The last shall be first.". . . Our deepest 
  life is when we are alone. We think most truly, love best, when isolated 
  from the outer world in that mystic abyss we call soul. Nothing external 
  can equal the fulness of these moments. We may sit in the blue twilight 
  with a friend, or bend together by the hearth, half whispering, or in a 
  silence populous with loving thoughts mutually understood; then we may 
  feel happy and at peace, but it is only because we are lulled by a 
  semblance to deeper intimacies. When we think of a friend, and the loved 
  one draws nigh, we sometimes feel half-pained, for we touched something in 
  our solitude which the living presence shut out; we seem more apart, and 
  would fain wave them away and cry, "Call me not forth from this; I am no 
  more a spirit if I leave my throne." But these moods, though lit up by 
  intuitions of the true, are too partial, they belong too much to the 
  twilight of the heart, they have too dreamy a temper to serve us well in 
  life. We should wish rather for our thoughts a directness such as belongs 
  to the messengers of the gods, swift, beautiful, flashing presences bent 
  on purposes well understood. What we need is 
  that interior tenderness shall be elevated into seership, that what in 
  most is only yearning or blind love shall see clearly its way and hope. To 
  this end we have to observe more intently the nature of the interior life. 
  We find, indeed, that it is not a solitude at all, but dense with 
  multitudinous being: instead of being alone we are in the thronged 
  highways of existence. For our guidance when entering here many words of 
  warning have been uttered, laws have been outlined, and beings full of 
  wonder, terror, and beauty described. Yet there is a spirit in us deeper 
  than our intellectual being which I think of as the Hero in man, who feels 
  the nobility of its place in the midst of all this, and who would fain 
  equal the greatness of perception with deeds as great. The weariness 
  and sense of futility which often falls upon the mystic after much 
  thought is due to this, that he has not recognized that he must be 
  worker as well as seer, that here he has duties demanding a more 
  sustained endurance just as the inner life is so much vaster and more 
  intense than the life he has left behind. Now 
  the duties which can be taken up by the soul are exactly those which it 
  feels most inadequate to perform when acting as an embodied being. What 
  shall be done to quiet the heart-cry of the world: how answer the dumb 
  appeal for help we so often divine below eyes that laugh? It is the 
  saddest of all sorrows to think that pity with no hands to heal, that love 
  without a voice to speak, should helplessly heap their pain upon pain 
  while earth shall endure. But there is a truth about sorrow which I think 
  may make it seem not so hopeless. There are fewer barriers than we think: 
  there is, in truth, an inner alliance between the soul who would fain give 
  and the soul who is in need. Nature has well provided that not 

Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq

2002-09-08 Thread Moen Creek

Ya Know folks, we need to be careful. By buying into our shared belief
systems we can blind ourselves and fail to be awake enough so WE miss real
light when it does shine in the populous.

Here at the bureaucratic declared ground zero for chronic wasting. Folks
of every walk of life are educating themselves and forming new  original
thoughts  beliefs without direction from big daddy.
On top of it the media are responding with great grace and caring for the
populous.

On the international scene is the megalithic media just
responding to our expectations of them.
Change our beliefs that they conspire  are bafoons and they may surprise us
with new expressions  real information!

Be the change we believe in and allow others to be where they can be, given
their belief systems  they will surprise us with change!

In Love  Light
Markess 




chomsky book

2002-09-08 Thread mroboz



The book by Chomsky that I referred to earlier is not 
9/11:

"War Against People", (Original title published in 
Britain: "Rogue States. The Rule of Force in World Affairs." copyrite by Diane 
Chomsky Irrvocable Trust. Not sure about date, might be in 2000.
The Europa Verlag edition came out in 2001.
Cheers, Michael