Re: Rainmaking in Santa Fe

2002-10-16 Thread Gil Robertson

Hi! Hugh,
Congratulations in putting your work and your accumulated knowledge into the public 
domain.

Are there plans to video and/ or audio the workshop for those of us who live out of 
town?

Gil

Hugh Lovel wrote:

> Dear BD List,
>
> This is a (belated) announcement of a workshop next month in Santa Fe, New Mexico 
>about making rain--a topic we should all learn more about.
>
> Best,
> Hugh Lovel
>
> Atmospheric Regeneration
> A Workshop on Restoring Organization to the Atmosphere
> By Hugh Lovel and Lorraine Cahill
>
> Summary: Two days of radionic training focusing on rainmaking as an environmental 
>responsibility.
>
> I. Scientific background for understanding pattern energy.
> A. Subjective versus Objective. The observer as separate from phenomena.
> B. Subject and Object as One. Our role in creating the reality we inhabit.
> C. Chaos Theory. The Butterfly Effect
>
> II. Pattern Energy medicine; a survey of pertinent modalities
> A. Homeopathy
> B. Color Therapy
> C. Radionics
> D. Biodynamic Remedies
>
> III. What is Rain? What causes drought or flood? A participatory discussion
>
> IV. Some ancient and/or traditional insights into rainmaking.
> A. Eastern Indian
> B. Native American
> C. Traditional Biodynamic
> D. Radionic Methods
>
> V. Making rain with radionics.
> A. Dowsing workshop. Muscle testing, pendulum and stickplate.
> B. Demonstration of radionic applications. Hieronymus type, Malcolm Rae type.
> C. Audience Participation. Hands on with various instruments.
>
> VI. Summary, Questions and Answers
>
> Throughout the industrial age we have poured chemicals into our soils. In like 
>fashion we have poured pollutants into the atmosphere For some time there has been 
>growing awareness that we need to restore the biology of our soils. Organic 
>fertilization is becoming more and more commonplace. But where is there corresponding 
>awareness of the need to restore the vitality of our atmosphere?
> Atmospheric stagnation and degredation is particularly noticable around cities where 
>domes of haze form and cloud formation is weak or non-existent. For example, Chicago 
>and Atlanta are famous for their pollution, which is particularly oppressive because 
>their humidity is high while organization is low. It is common in summer to have 85 
>degree days with 85 percent humidity and virtually no cloud formation. Since clouds 
>are organized atmospheric moisture, when cloud formation is strong humidity declines 
>as the moisture is concentrated in the clouds--at least until showers release enough 
>moisture for a new cycle of evaporation.
> Remedies for lack of organization are not usually clear to most folkss. Nor for that 
>matter is it usually clear what causes of poor cloud formation.
> Often people think if one makes rain in one area a drought will be caused elsewhere. 
>Nothing could be further from the truth. With increasing global temperatures millions 
>of tons more water evaporates from oceans than anytime any time previously in 
>history. This moisture must fall somewhere. When there is a drought in Chad, Sudan 
>and Somalia there are floods in Mozambique and Tanzania. When there is a drought in 
>the Ganges watershed there are floods throughout the Yangtze. Where North America has 
>widespread drought Europe has floods from France to Russia. Were we to restore 
>vitality to the atmosphere and improve the forces that bring the organization to 
>atmospheric moisture that facilitates cloud formation we would make rain locally 
>while preventing floods elsewhere.
> Organic farmers here and there restore life to our soils. The atmosphere has no 
>comparable group of environmentally responsible people working for its healing. This 
>workshop is a call to civic duty consistant with the slogan, Think Globally, Act 
>Locally.
>
> Contact: Athena Beshur, Bioneers/CHI
> Office Administrator
> Bioneers/Collective Heritage Institute
> 901 W. San Mateo Suite L
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> 505-986-0366 x113 ,
> 505-986-1644 Fax
>
> Visit our website at: www.unionag.org




Of interest in Oz.

2002-10-16 Thread Gil Robertson

Hi! all,
Roseworthy Agricultural College Museum (South Australian), has a Field
Day coming up, with working examples. they will include a 1844 Wheat
Stripper, the forerunner of the modern combine harvester. It is number
eighteen made by inventor Ridley and just refurbished by his great great
grandson. Also an 1908 tractor and plough, the first imported from
England to Australia. Again, still in working order. It is all wheel
drive on it's three wheels, two in front with a single, steering wheel
in the rear. It did not work in the shallow rocky Oz soils, but could
drag eighteen tons at eight miles an hour on the road.

Gil




Rainmaking in Santa Fe

2002-10-16 Thread Hugh Lovel
Dear BD List,

This is a (belated) announcement of  a workshop next month in Santa Fe, New Mexico about making rain--a topic we should all learn more about.

Best,
Hugh Lovel





Atmospheric Regeneration
A Workshop on Restoring Organization to the Atmosphere
By Hugh Lovel and Lorraine Cahill

Summary:  Two days of radionic training focusing on rainmaking as an environmental responsibility.

I. Scientific background for understanding pattern energy.
A. Subjective versus Objective. The observer as separate from phenomena.
B. Subject and Object as One. Our role in creating the reality we inhabit.
C. Chaos Theory. The Butterfly Effect

II. Pattern Energy medicine; a survey of pertinent modalities
A. Homeopathy
B. Color Therapy
C. Radionics
D. Biodynamic Remedies

III.  What is Rain? What causes drought or flood? A participatory discussion

IV. Some ancient and/or traditional insights into rainmaking.
A. Eastern Indian
B. Native American
C. Traditional Biodynamic
D. Radionic Methods

V.  Making rain with radionics.
A. Dowsing workshop.  Muscle testing, pendulum and stickplate.
B. Demonstration of radionic applications. Hieronymus type, Malcolm Rae type.
C. Audience Participation. Hands on with various instruments. 

VI. Summary, Questions and Answers




Throughout the industrial age we have poured chemicals into our soils. In like fashion we have poured pollutants into the atmosphere For some time there has been growing awareness that we need to restore the biology of our soils. Organic fertilization is becoming more and more commonplace. But where is there corresponding awareness of the need to restore the vitality of our atmosphere?
Atmospheric stagnation and degredation is particularly noticable around cities where domes of haze form and cloud formation is weak or non-existent. For example, Chicago and Atlanta are famous for their pollution, which is particularly oppressive because their humidity is high while organization is low. It is common in summer to have 85 degree days with 85 percent humidity and virtually no cloud formation. Since clouds are organized atmospheric moisture, when cloud formation is strong humidity declines as the moisture is concentrated in the clouds--at least until showers release enough moisture for a new cycle of evaporation.
Remedies for lack of organization are not usually clear to most folkss. Nor for that matter is it usually clear what causes of poor cloud formation.
Often people think if one makes rain in one area a drought will be caused elsewhere. Nothing could be further from the truth. With increasing global temperatures millions of tons more water evaporates from oceans than anytime any time previously in history. This moisture must fall somewhere. When there is a drought in Chad, Sudan and Somalia there are floods in Mozambique and Tanzania. When there is a drought in the Ganges watershed there are floods throughout the Yangtze. Where North America has widespread drought Europe has floods from France to Russia. Were we to restore vitality to the atmosphere and improve the forces that bring the organization to atmospheric moisture that facilitates cloud formation we would make rain locally while preventing floods elsewhere.
Organic farmers here and there restore life to our soils. The atmosphere has no comparable group of environmentally responsible people working for its healing. This workshop is a call to civic duty consistant with the slogan, Think Globally, Act Locally.

Contact:  Athena Beshur, Bioneers/CHI
Office Administrator
Bioneers/Collective Heritage Institute
901 W. San Mateo Suite L
Santa Fe, NM  87505
505-986-0366 x113 ,  
505-986-1644 Fax 




Visit our website at: www.unionag.org 

Re: Leaf curl in Chillies

2002-10-16 Thread Gil Robertson

Hi! sstorch,
Thank you.

I am very impressed with the compost preps. After the Tulka Fire, one of the
members of Permaculture Group, was left with a damaged house, no out building and
the yard and garden was burnt out. The sandy loam was burnt to loose sand, with
nothing.

A group we went down and built a two bay pallet compost pile. We each took our
favourite manure and vegetable material. I provided Preps and super fined
paramagnetic rock dust. He turned it twice and had good compost in four weeks.

He spread it about two inches thick and protected it from the wind with sheets of
roofing iron. He planted his vegetables and herbs. When I visited it was
spectacular. Red Beet five inches across and not woody, fine raw in salads. A
life long gardener, he was blown away.

Gil

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 10/16/02 8:14:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << Hi! sstorch,
> I am fascinated in your explanation, below.
>
> Could you expand this to cover your view of all the preps and their effect,
> Please?
>
> Gil >>
>
> I could answer regarding the use of silica in the same vain.  If the etheric
> is pulling too strongly the plant will be fat and watery, like if nitrogen
> was used in excess.  If this is the case there will be fungal attacks and the
> plants will need a silica treatment to firm things up.  Likewise, it may hold
> back on the flowering process and the silica will remedy the problem.  I
> suggest the reading of Glen Atkinson's site and the study of his charts and
> diagrams for a definitive understnding of these processes.
> I have use the compost remedies by themselves and I did not like the results.
>  I tried a dandelion preparation spray on strawberries to plump them up and
> ruined the flavour.  They did plump nicely, losing the little point on the
> bottom but the flavour was not there.  I had to correct this with nettles
> manure tea and bc, about four times.  Maybe I used it improperly but I prefer
> the compost preps used in the compost and that is it.
> Equisetum properly used as a soil spray brings the silica forces into balance
> in the earthly realm and creates an ideal environment for the beneficial
> fungus to colonise the soil food web.  The equisetum harmonizes the etheric
> and astral forces within the energy field of the earth/soil and lets the
> fungus grow uninterrupted ...sstorch




Re: Leaf curl in Chillies

2002-10-16 Thread SBruno75


In a message dated 10/16/02 8:14:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Hi! sstorch,
I am fascinated in your explanation, below.

Could you expand this to cover your view of all the preps and their effect,
Please?

Gil >>

I could answer regarding the use of silica in the same vain.  If the etheric 
is pulling too strongly the plant will be fat and watery, like if nitrogen 
was used in excess.  If this is the case there will be fungal attacks and the 
plants will need a silica treatment to firm things up.  Likewise, it may hold 
back on the flowering process and the silica will remedy the problem.  I 
suggest the reading of Glen Atkinson's site and the study of his charts and 
diagrams for a definitive understnding of these processes.
I have use the compost remedies by themselves and I did not like the results. 
 I tried a dandelion preparation spray on strawberries to plump them up and 
ruined the flavour.  They did plump nicely, losing the little point on the 
bottom but the flavour was not there.  I had to correct this with nettles 
manure tea and bc, about four times.  Maybe I used it improperly but I prefer 
the compost preps used in the compost and that is it.
Equisetum properly used as a soil spray brings the silica forces into balance 
in the earthly realm and creates an ideal environment for the beneficial 
fungus to colonise the soil food web.  The equisetum harmonizes the etheric 
and astral forces within the energy field of the earth/soil and lets the 
fungus grow uninterrupted ...sstorch




Re: Leaf curl in Chillies

2002-10-16 Thread Gil Robertson

Hi! sstorch,
I am fascinated in your explanation, below.

Could you expand this to cover your view of all the preps and their effect,
Please?

Gil

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 10/16/02 1:45:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << Steve-can you explain why you would use those preps?  thanks, Michael
>
>  >>
>
> Well, if we look at what is happening in the plants when  bugs attack, we are
> seeing the results of the astral/etheric bodies pulling up out of the watery
> parts of the plants [leaves] and the 500/bc would tend to pull those bodies
> back down into the plants.  When these bodies separate the bugs are coming in
> and destroying those parts of the plants that are left without this
> "covering".  You can imagine it more if you compare it to what actually
> happens to us when our arm or leg falls asleep.  The etheric body has
> withdrawn and we lose quite a bit of sensation in the limb.  The same occurs
> with plants and the bugs can chew away while the plant is
> defenseless...sstorch




Re: Leaf curl in Chillies

2002-10-16 Thread SBruno75


In a message dated 10/16/02 5:44:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< It's an obtuse answer >>

No Allen, that answer is actually acute.  If I were being obtuse I would 
reccommend spraying safers soap and having a shot of Jack Daniels 
afterwards...sstorch




Re: Leaf curl in Chillies

2002-10-16 Thread SBruno75


In a message dated 10/16/02 1:45:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Steve-can you explain why you would use those preps?  thanks, Michael

 >>

Well, if we look at what is happening in the plants when  bugs attack, we are 
seeing the results of the astral/etheric bodies pulling up out of the watery 
parts of the plants [leaves] and the 500/bc would tend to pull those bodies 
back down into the plants.  When these bodies separate the bugs are coming in 
and destroying those parts of the plants that are left without this 
"covering".  You can imagine it more if you compare it to what actually 
happens to us when our arm or leg falls asleep.  The etheric body has 
withdrawn and we lose quite a bit of sensation in the limb.  The same occurs 
with plants and the bugs can chew away while the plant is 
defenseless...sstorch




Re: grasses

2002-10-16 Thread COYOTEHILLFARM
Title: Re: grasses



The eddress offered [EMAIL PROTECTED]
well it works, she will send me info.
Thanks
 
Per Garp/NH

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Liz Davis 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 03:44 
  PM
  Subject: Re: grasses
  Don't know why Markess, but when I wrote Martha's address, I 
  thought of you, this is obviously why.L&LLizon 
  16/10/02 1:35 PM, Moen Creek at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Actually Martha's present e-mail is "Rosemeyer, Martha" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> being 
Evergreen pleaded for her to come there. We miss her.
L*L MarkessFrom: Liz Davis 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 06:17:03 +1000 To: 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 
grasses
I've just glanced over a book called "Agroecosystem 
  Sustainability" Developing Practical Srategies, by Stephen R 
  Gliessman, there is one study by a Martha E. Rosemeyer from Wisconsin, 
  'Improving Agroecosystem Sustainability Using Organic (Plant-Based) 
  Mulch'.  The eddress offered [EMAIL PROTECTED] If 
  unable to obtain info, I may be able to help you once my semester 
  ends, only a few weeks to go.L&L Lizon 
  15/10/02 8:43 AM, Roger Pye at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> 
  COYOTEHILLFARM wrote:> >> Is this a study that one can 
  read some where ?? Why mulch/straw ratter than >> wood chips 
  ??>> >> Companion planting with grapes any 
  info??>> > I have a poor photocopy of it somewhere and 
  I'm looking for it.> > Grass-type mulches hold more moisture 
  and retain it longer than wood chips. > Chips may also leach 
  nutrients or compounds harmful to vines (eg from radiata > 
  (monterey) pine, some australian native hardwoods). Grasses break down and 
  > incorporate easily and more naturally into soils.> 
  > Some cover crops: annuals - lupins, vetch, barley; perennial - 
  lucerne, > clover, rye.> > I suggest also you have a 
  look at > 
  http://www.organic-europe.net/resources/downloads/hofmann2000.pdf (COVER 
  CROP > MANAGEMENT IN ORGANIC VITICULTURE)> > Sorry 
   I don't know much about grape growing yet> > 
  roger> > 
  


Re: Leaf curl in Chillies

2002-10-16 Thread Allan Balliett

>Steve-can you explain why you would use those preps?  thanks, Michael
>- Original Message -

Michael - It's an obtuse answer, but one time I removed TERMITES from 
my BC barrel by spraying the barrel inside and out with 501. The 
termites moved on after ONE DAY. Unlike most BD people, I consider 
ants and termites to be detritus, indicators of an unhealthy 
condition. So, for me, lifting the vibrations of the atmosphere 
around and above the termites is explanation enough for why they 
would move on.




Re: grasses

2002-10-16 Thread Liz Davis
Title: Re: grasses



Don't know why Markess, but when I wrote Martha's address, I thought of you, 
this is obviously why.

L&L
Liz
on 16/10/02 1:35 PM, Moen Creek at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Actually Martha's present e-mail is "Rosemeyer, Martha" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> being Evergreen pleaded for her to come there. We 
miss her.



L*L Markess

From: Liz Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 06:17:03 +1000 To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: 
Re: grasses


I've just glanced over a book called "Agroecosystem Sustainability" 
Developing Practical Srategies, by Stephen R Gliessman, there is one study 
by a Martha E. Rosemeyer from Wisconsin, 'Improving Agroecosystem 
Sustainability Using Organic (Plant-Based) Mulch'.  The eddress offered 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] If unable to obtain info, I may be able to 
help you once my semester ends, only a few weeks to go.

L&L Liz



on 15/10/02 8:43 AM, Roger Pye at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> COYOTEHILLFARM wrote:
> 
>> Is this a study that one can read some where ?? Why mulch/straw ratter than 
>> wood chips ??
>> 
>> Companion planting with grapes any info??
>> 
> I have a poor photocopy of it somewhere and I'm looking for it.
> 
> Grass-type mulches hold more moisture and retain it longer than wood chips. 
> Chips may also leach nutrients or compounds harmful to vines (eg from radiata 
> (monterey) pine, some australian native hardwoods). Grasses break down and 
> incorporate easily and more naturally into soils.
> 
> Some cover crops: annuals - lupins, vetch, barley; perennial - lucerne, 
> clover, rye.
> 
> I suggest also you have a look at 
> http://www.organic-europe.net/resources/downloads/hofmann2000.pdf (COVER CROP 
> MANAGEMENT IN ORGANIC VITICULTURE)
> 
> Sorry  I don't know much about grape growing yet
> 
> roger
> 
> 










Re: Leaf curl in Chillies

2002-10-16 Thread mroboz

Steve-can you explain why you would use those preps?  thanks, Michael
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Leaf curl in Chillies


> Try a 500/bc spray, heavy application...sstorch
> 
> 




Re: Leaf curl in Chillies

2002-10-16 Thread SBruno75

Try a 500/bc spray, heavy application...sstorch




Re: equisetum

2002-10-16 Thread Prkrjake
Dear Hugh Lovel,
Thank you, thank you ,thank you..
Music to my soul...thanks for reminding us all to focus on making our corner of this amazing planet better.
Peace, Sunny


Re: Biodynamic cheeses

2002-10-16 Thread The Korrows

Hi All,

Spiritual Food for the New Millenium (the food distribution service
administered by Shanti Yoga Ashram, that Allan mentions below) is working
with marketing the foods of at least 12 farmers who are practicing
biodynamics extensively, some Demeter Certified Biodynamic and some are not.
Many excellent food products are available from them, produced by farmers
using Rudolf Steiners indications. Many of the original farms are still part
of the program, including Hugh Lovel, and Jeff Poppen.
I am sure a list of participating farms is available from them. Since all of
this is done on a voluntary basis, progress hasn't been exactly quick, in
the restruturing that began two years ago. A new form of farm evaluation has
been developed, one that is not based on a legally binding certification
mark, but instead serves as an indicater of that particular farm's
commitment to working towards the biodynamic ideal. This is an important
step towards an economy based in trust, virtue and association.

Christy
- Original Message -
From: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: Biodynamic cheeses


> Let me say that we wound up getting our biodynamic cheese from the
> dairy at Kimberton. We picked up a colby and a cheddar in, what, 5lb
> blocks. (Steve Storch did the physical pick up and delivery. Bless
> the man.)
>
> The cheese was unbelievably delicious and seemed to resonate with
> everyone's inner sense of what nutrition really is. I'm going to have
> a very hard time eating any other cheese in the future, and probably
> won't, unless, of course, it is to trial another biodynamic cheese.
>
> I don't know if these folks mail order. Fortunately, or
> unfortunately, most of the biodynamic cheese makers can sell
> everything they make right from their own doorsteps.
>
> As far as Victor goes, well, check your prices at Kimberton and
> Hawthorne Valley and maybe Hugh Lovel before you get a quote from
> Shanti. And factor this in to what you know about things: Victor and
> Shanti had the offer of a free table at the Mid-Atlantic Conference
> and, as usual, free admission for as many of his flock as would enjoy
> to come and learn more about biodynamics and to meet more BD growers
> AND the conference was located within 60minutes of the Shanti Ashram
> but Ashram activities were put ahead of attending the conference -
> ALL THREE DAYS. Victor excused Shanti's involvement because of ashram
> activities but No effort was made to have a non-Ashram individual
> represent the growers distributed by Shanti at the conference, the
> largest gathering of biodynamically minded growers and eaters (lots
> of health-oriented attendees , thanks to Mary Ann Skillman) n the DC
> Baltimore area.  On top of that, he appears to be partnering with a
> very ambitious local non-biodynamic farm for produce. One can only
> imagine that early supporters of the Shanti program will soon be left
> out of the distribution, or, at a minimum, experience drops in
> volume. Better for the consumer to have biodynamically grown food
> from farm's with long BD histories like Jeff Poppen's or Hugh
> Lovel's, if you're really looking for food filled with the forces
> appropriate for development of the spiritual self. Just my opinion,
> of course.
>
> The 7 Stars yogurt we had at the conference was wonderful, also.
> Again, fresh from the doc at Kimberton, thanks to SS.
>
> While I'm at it, the Kimberton Bakery bread was totally awesome,
> again reasonating with the viscera in a wonderful way. Strangely,
> many of the loaves left over molded by Monday, which is contrary to
> how loaves made from biodynamic grains have behaved from other
> bakeries after other conferences, but, the short shelf-life aside,
> what wonderful bread. (One intern wouldn't eat it. "I'm not used to
> such heavy bread." A remark I found strange because the Kimberton
> bread was so VERY edible.)
>
> Later
>
> -Allan
>




Re: Biodynamic cheeses

2002-10-16 Thread Allan Balliett

>maybe seven stars farm would do mail out too, i think they must do 
>cheese, with all the yogurt they make it's kind of hard to imagine 
>otherwise. again if you want stuff from them, manners help.

7 Stars doesn't do commercial cheese, although, as suggested, there 
probably is some available for nice people. The Kimberton Dairy is 
the probably source for the excellent Kimberton Cheese. There's also 
a Kimberton Natural Foods store which does, I believe, ship the 
cheese. -Allan




Re: Biodynamic cheeses

2002-10-16 Thread Allan Balliett

Let me say that we wound up getting our biodynamic cheese from the 
dairy at Kimberton. We picked up a colby and a cheddar in, what, 5lb 
blocks. (Steve Storch did the physical pick up and delivery. Bless 
the man.)

The cheese was unbelievably delicious and seemed to resonate with 
everyone's inner sense of what nutrition really is. I'm going to have 
a very hard time eating any other cheese in the future, and probably 
won't, unless, of course, it is to trial another biodynamic cheese.

I don't know if these folks mail order. Fortunately, or 
unfortunately, most of the biodynamic cheese makers can sell 
everything they make right from their own doorsteps.

As far as Victor goes, well, check your prices at Kimberton and 
Hawthorne Valley and maybe Hugh Lovel before you get a quote from 
Shanti. And factor this in to what you know about things: Victor and 
Shanti had the offer of a free table at the Mid-Atlantic Conference 
and, as usual, free admission for as many of his flock as would enjoy 
to come and learn more about biodynamics and to meet more BD growers 
AND the conference was located within 60minutes of the Shanti Ashram 
but Ashram activities were put ahead of attending the conference - 
ALL THREE DAYS. Victor excused Shanti's involvement because of ashram 
activities but No effort was made to have a non-Ashram individual 
represent the growers distributed by Shanti at the conference, the 
largest gathering of biodynamically minded growers and eaters (lots 
of health-oriented attendees , thanks to Mary Ann Skillman) n the DC 
Baltimore area.  On top of that, he appears to be partnering with a 
very ambitious local non-biodynamic farm for produce. One can only 
imagine that early supporters of the Shanti program will soon be left 
out of the distribution, or, at a minimum, experience drops in 
volume. Better for the consumer to have biodynamically grown food 
from farm's with long BD histories like Jeff Poppen's or Hugh 
Lovel's, if you're really looking for food filled with the forces 
appropriate for development of the spiritual self. Just my opinion, 
of course.

The 7 Stars yogurt we had at the conference was wonderful, also. 
Again, fresh from the doc at Kimberton, thanks to SS.

While I'm at it, the Kimberton Bakery bread was totally awesome, 
again reasonating with the viscera in a wonderful way. Strangely, 
many of the loaves left over molded by Monday, which is contrary to 
how loaves made from biodynamic grains have behaved from other 
bakeries after other conferences, but, the short shelf-life aside, 
what wonderful bread. (One intern wouldn't eat it. "I'm not used to 
such heavy bread." A remark I found strange because the Kimberton 
bread was so VERY edible.)

Later

-Allan




Re: Biodynamic cheeses

2002-10-16 Thread brad rader




i know about lifeline farms www.lifelinefarm.com , smaller 
orders through www.azurestandard.com 
541-467-2230. what about hawthorne valley? they used to have a sizeable mail 
order cheese setup and from what i hear they still do occasional mail out for 
some of it today if you ask nicely. www.hawthornevalleyfarm.com 
 518-672-7500 . maybe seven stars farm would do mail out too, i think they 
must do cheese, with all the yogurt they make it's kind of hard to imagine 
otherwise. again if you want stuff from them, manners help. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 12:26 
  AM
  Subject: Biodynamic cheeses
  Is anyone familiar with a mail order 
  or online source for biodynamic cheeses?Thanks, RB 



FW: A new poem by Robert Bly

2002-10-16 Thread Allan Balliett

This poem was sent to me by Mid-Atlantic Conference speaker and 
enthusiastic member of Robert Bly's men's gatherings, Will WInter. 
The line "Every day we steal from Ourselves knowledge gained over a 
thousand years," painfully reminds me of what bad stewarts we have 
become in the past 30 years.  Here's to waking up to each other's 
voices. -Allan

Will said:


Perhaps poetry can wake us up to what we are about to commit...Read 
it out loud!  Please. And pass it on with Robert's blessing. Thank 
you.


Call and Answer

Tell me why it is we don't lift our voices these days
And cry over what is happening. Have you noticed
The plans are made for Iraq and the ice cap is melting.

I say to myself: "Go on, cry. What's the sense
Of being an adult and having no voice?  Cry out!
See who will answer!  This is Call and Answer!"

Some masters say our life lasts only seven days.
Where are we in the week?  Is it Thursday yet?
Hurry, cry now!  Soon Sunday night will come.

We will have to call especially loud to reach
Our angels, who are hard of hearing; they are hiding
In the jugs of silence filled during our wars.

If we don't lift our voices, we allow others--who are
Ourselves--to rob the house.  Every day we steal from
Ourselves knowledge gained over a thousand years.

Robert, how come you've listened to the great criers
And now you are a sparrow quiet in the little bushes!
It's Saturday night, and you still haven't cried.

 Robert Bly