Hugo Erbe

2002-12-09 Thread Mark Moodie
I would be interested to hear if there is interest in an English Translation
of 'Working with the Elementals' which details Hugo Erbe's work.

A friend and I began a translation and discussions with the holder of the
German Copyright and then found that a fine translation was commissioned and
completed for the Bio-dynamic Seminar on the UK. The translator has granted
his blessing and now we have to submit that to Germany and then knock it up
into a publication - so there will be some time delay in having it ready to
ship.

However it would be good to get some idea of those who would be interested
so we can guesstimate a print run. I guess if any of you want to be an
outlet outside the UK I would be very happy to chat.

Contents
Who was Hugo Erbe - Hellmut Finsterlin
New Preparations - Hugo Erbe
Introductory Remarks - Hugo Erbe
The Elementals as Helpers in Farm and Garden - Ernst Hagemann
Supplementary Notes to Preceding Chapter
Hugo Erbe's Bio-dynamic Preparations
A - Preparations supplementing those given by Rudolf Steiner
1 The Calcium Preparation
2 The Loam Preparation
3 The Cholorophyll Preparation
4 The Carbon Preparation
5 The Cows Stomach Preparation
6 Earth Preparation 1
7 Earth preparation 2

B Offerings for the Elemental World
8 The three Kings Preparation
9 The Harmonizing Preparation

C Tree Sprays and Preparations for Seeds and seedlings
10 -12 Tree Preparations - 1 - 3
13  14 Seed Bath Preparations 1  2
15 Root dip Preprations for seedlings and transplants

D Special Preparations for Special Circumstances
16  17 Warmth Preparations 1  2
18 Frost Protection Preparation
19 Preparation for Protections against Storms and Floods
20 Humus Preparation
21 Protection against Crop damage and from Wild Animals

Instructions for making Hugo Erb's B-D Preps
Supplementary notes and Special Ingredients
Bibliography
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Re: Disney cruise please

2002-12-09 Thread Nancy Geffken
Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Also nterested in what people have heard about the Disney cruises 
that have resulted in much illness.

The Norwalk-like virus which allegedly hit the Disney cruises is a common cruise-ship 
problem, usually these events are covered up. Whether it is the scale of the virus 
this year or our collective fears of terrorism that brought it to the media, who 
knows. 

I recommend a book Cruise Ship Blues - The Underside of the Cruise Industry by Ross 
Klein if anyone is interested in this industry. The author details the environmental 
and economic damage these ships do to the ports they visit, as well as the poor 
working conditions on board and the  various rip-offs used on tourists.

Still, I'd take my chances on the cruise rather than the vaccine.

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Re: Transplanting remedies ?

2002-12-09 Thread Hugh Lovel
Dear Per,

Not quite. Like cures.

And Bach Flower Remedies are sold everywhere, presumably at your city
organic food place. You put a few drops of this remedy in a bucket of water
and stir like a BD remedy. Use for transplants.

If you want to know specifically what grasses walnut allows to grow, look
under a walnut tree. It inhibits ALL others.

But walnut remedy does not inhibit growth. You use walnut REMEDY to promote
growth. That goes for grapes too.

Precision in language has its desirable side.

Best,
Hugh




Hi Hugh

Opposite cures ?

Interesting, what dilution of remedy's are you suggesting, and can you
recommend a more economic source than the city organic food place. How do
you apply this solution ?
Rescue remedy is English do any one make it the USA ?
Bach Flower Remedy, Walnut who ??
Is it know what grasses walnut remedy promotes ?
Do's walnut remedy inhibit growth of grapes ??

Why would you select a homeopathic remedy's rater than a BD prep 501/or ??
in addition to BD prep ??  (I have not yet understood all BD preps and
function of them,  I'm a slow reader)



Thanks
Per Garp/NH



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From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 02:50 PM
Subject: Re: Transplanting remedies ?


 Hi All
 
 Can some one explain the transplanting function of this
 rescue remedy and the Bach Flower Remedy, Walnut
 I'm familiar with rescue remedy, but have no information
 abut :Bach Flower Remedy, Walnut:
 Normally Walnut inhibit growth of other plants ??
 
 Thanks
 Per Garp/NH


 Dear Per,

 You are right on the money that walnut inhibits the growth in almost
 everything except one or two grasses and black raspberries. That is
 precisely why it is used.

 Homeopathy is the treatment of conditions with materials--taken out to
 dilute potencies--that would otherwise cause the same condition in healthy
 organisms. Thus to treat cancer, the usual treatment is homeopathic
Iscador
 (mistletoe) which amounts to a cancerous growth when it occurs naturally
on
 oak trees.

 In this case to get the transplants over their shock, use rescue remedy;
to
 send them off into growth give them walnut, a Bach Flower Remedy.

 Best,
 Hugh Lovel
 Visit our website at: www.unionag.org


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Re: Hugo Erbe

2002-12-09 Thread Allan Balliett
Mark -

I'm certainly interested in a copy for myself.

You can contact Hugh Courtney at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get an 
order from JPI. Hugh's very into the elemental stuff and, as you 
know, there are very few good books out.

-Allan

PS Yes, I'd be happy buying my copy from JPI



Re: Hugo Erbe

2002-12-09 Thread mroboz
Mark-I would certainly be interested in a copy for myself, maybe thru
Tri-Fold in Ontario.
Michael
 -Allan








Re: Hugo Erbe

2002-12-09 Thread Aurora Farm
Thanks for this Mark and by the way and now that there is some talk of the
elementals did any of you who did the 3 Kings spray have any observations
and experiences or are you all too fully immersed in virtual reality?
Markess? Jane? Allan?
Blessings, Barbara and Woody
Aurora Farm. the only
unsubsidized, family-run seed farm
in North America offering garden seeds
grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods
of spiritual agriculture.  http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora


-Original Message-
From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: Hugo Erbe


Mark -

I'm certainly interested in a copy for myself.

You can contact Hugh Courtney at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get an
order from JPI. Hugh's very into the elemental stuff and, as you
know, there are very few good books out.

-Allan

PS Yes, I'd be happy buying my copy from JPI





Re: WENDELL BERRY: The Agrarian Standard

2002-12-09 Thread Moen Creek
Title: Re: WENDELL BERRY: The Agrarian Standard




Thank you  Barry,


The crisis is a kind of therapy, however. It is a teaching method that you 
have set up for yourselves because you need it. And you need it now, before 
your race embarks upon journeys to other physical realities. You must learn 
your lessons now in your own backyard before you travel to other worlds. So 
you have brought this upon yourself for that purpose and you will learn.
--Jane Roberts - Seth Speaks. SESSION 550, SEPTEMBER 28, 1970


and

What you think upon grows. Whatever you allow to occupy your mind you 
magnify in your life. Whether the subject of your thought be good or bad, 
the law works and the condition grows. Any subject that you keep out of 
your mind tends to diminish in your life, because what you do not use 
atrophies. The more you think of grievances, the more such trials you will 
continue to receive; the more you think of the good fortune you have had, 
the more good fortune will come to you.
--Emmet Fox


Kristo intuits Sunday 12/8/02

The Aquarian MOON Conjuncts NEPTUNE (in his Trine to the Dragon's Head) at 4:00 AM
CST -6GMT. There's no need to name the direction. The only details that count are the
ones directly in your line of sight...don't worry about getting oriented to the rest of the
terrain...at least for now.

MERCURY (in his / her Opposition to SATURN) enters Capricorn at 2:21 PM. Continue
concentrating on what's happening in your own neck of the woods. The global details are of
no practical use to us in the present moment. If we can get things squared away on the
local level, much more can be achieved later on in terms of the bigger picture.

LUNA Sextiles SOL (in his Coniunctio to PLUTO, and Trine to JUPITER) at 6:38 PM,
Sextiles PLUTO at 7:52 PM, and Opposes JUPITER at 9:06 PM. A not so subtle, global
process is unfolding...but we have no business in trying to affect the outcome. We're only
meant to concentrate on our personally immediate issues. The larger pieces of the process
are made up of these innumerable local details. We each have a part to play...but we're
really meant to forget the big picture. It's much, much bigger than any of us could possibly
carry (or care for) alone. To think otherwise would be a very nutty inflation. 






FW: fad?

2002-12-09 Thread Jane Sherry
Time  again, I am brought back to fresh  Local being the only way. The
only way people will understand the difference in the industrial food that
they eat  organic, local, food is to go to the farmers' markets  try some.
Farmers markets are always packed. People in spite of their mass market food
habits, do want real, fresh food, even if it's only seasonal stars like corn
 tomatoes. Then the next season, they'll get to know one farmer's tomatoes
are so good, they'll try something else, tell their friends, on it goes.

The same is true for herbs  medicine. Home grown, home made, locally grown
 made, this is where there is true value. As people are making this shift
to local food, it will inspire more home grown local economies. Trying to
then co opt this thinking to the market economy is a mistake.

Instead, try and get national  local non profits involved in your csa's to
sponsor share prices for low income members, such as Roxbury Farm did this
year, through the United Way, sponsoring some membership in Harlem.

The csa model now has to go to the next level and include more kinds of
locally produced goods within the csa umbrella. Many farms  members are
already doing this in small ways buying in breads or fruits or dairy from
other local farms. If we were to include all the most 'vitally' important
goods such as medicine, clothing,  drinking water in such an organization,
we could control more of what nourishes us.

Blessings,
Jane

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 05:59:11 -0500
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Subject: Re: fad?

The biggest hope is that people like Perry can educate the public to
the true value of FRESH AND LOCAL

-- End of Forwarded Message




NY Newbie Intro

2002-12-09 Thread Fred Rose Lieberman
Hello, All.  My name is Rose, I'm 54, I live in rural upstate New York with
husband, Fred, and our 4 cats.  We are vegans, professional tarot readers;
Fred is a healer, a nutritionist, and always a scientist.  We garden
organically and are committed to purchasing almost exclusively organically
grown foods and materials.

I have not gardened the biodynamic way, but I have created raised beds,
respected the garden and its inhabitants, not used chemicals, and allowed
the failures to instruct me as to whether I have a soil problem or I'm
trying to grow something that should not be grown there.

Currently, we have our place on the market and we're looking to relocate
within this general area of central New York.  Our next homestead will be
focused on building a vegan-based renewable stockpile model, healthier soil,
composting, and seed saving.

I'm looking to learn a lot from biodynamic gardening.  I hope I can
contribute something as well.

Rose




Re: WENDELL BERRY: The Agrarian Standard

2002-12-09 Thread Fred Rose Lieberman
I'm new to the list.  Where does this WENDELL BERRY: The Agrarian Standard
come from?

Rose




Re: fad?

2002-12-09 Thread Fred Rose Lieberman
Jane said:  As people are making this shift to local food, it will inspire
more home grown local economies...

I'm not trying to be a muckraker so early in my membership, Jane, but isn't
that the definition of a market economy.  People vote with their dollars,
and when they don't get what they want, they start grass roots campaigns,
word of mouth, etc.

Comments?

Rose




CSA and United way

2002-12-09 Thread Allan Balliett
Instead, try and get national  local non profits involved in your csa's to
sponsor share prices for low income members, such as Roxbury Farm did this
year, through the United Way, sponsoring some membership in Harlem.


Got any more info on this, Jane? Are there any write-ups?

This is brilliant, a strong variation on what I've been working 
towards the last 5 years.

Let me know, ok?

Thanks -Allan



Other than Jeavons?

2002-12-09 Thread Fred Rose Lieberman
Title: Re: WENDELL BERRY: The Agrarian Standard



My only information on biodynamic gardening is from 
the Jeavons books. Anything else I should be reading?

Rose


FWD: [Poclad] Industry's Poor Parade at the Earth Summit

2002-12-09 Thread Barry Carter
Dear Friends,

The following just came from the the Program on Corporations, Law and 
Democracy (POCLAD) email list:

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http://www.freezerbox.com/archive/article.asp?id=254
The Fake Parade
BY JONATHAN MATTHEWS
Frezerbox 12.3.2002

Carrying his placard the man in front of me was clearly one of the poorest 
of the poor. His shoes were not only threadbare, they were tattered, merely 
rags barely being held together. So begins a graphic description of a 
demonstration that took place at the Earth Summit in Johannesburg.. The 
protesters were mainly poor, virtually all black, and mostly women... 
street traders and farmers with an unpalatable message. As an article in a 
South African periodical put it, Surely this must have been the 
environmentalists' worst nightmare. Real poor people marching in the 
streets and demanding development while opposing the eco-agenda of the 
Green Left.

And seldom can the views of the poor, in this case a few hundred 
demonstrators, have been paid so much attention. Articles highlighting the 
Johannesburg march popped up the world over, in Africa, North America, 
India, Australia and Israel. In Britain even The Times ran a commentary, 
under the heading, I do not need white NGOs to speak for me.

With the summit's passing, the Johannesburg march, far from fading from 
view, has taken on a still deeper significance. In the November issue of 
the journal Nature Biotechnology, Val Giddings, the President of the 
Biotech Industry Organization (BIO), argues that the event marked 
something new, something very big that will make us look back on 
Johannesburg as something of a watershed event-a turning point. What made 
the march so pivotal, he said, was that for the very first time, real, 
live, developing-world farmers were speaking for themselves and 
challenging the empty arguments of the self-appointed individuals who have 
professed to speak on their behalf.

To help give them a voice, Giddings singles out the statement of one of the 
marchers, Chengal Reddy, leader of the Indian Farmers Federation. 
Traditional organic farming..., Reddy says, led to mass starvation in 
India for centuries... Indian farmers need access to new technologies and 
especially to biotechnologies.

Giddings also notes that the farmers expressed their contempt for the 
empty arguments of many of the Earth Summiteers by honoring them with a 
Bullshit Award made from two varnished piles of cow dung. The award was 
given, in particular, to the Indian environmentalist Vandana Shiva, for her 
role in advancing policies that perpetuate poverty and hunger

A powerful rebuke, no doubt. But if anyone deserves the cow dung, it is the 
President of BIO, for almost every element of the spectacle he describes 
has been carefully contrived and orchestrated. Take, for instance, Chengal 
Reddy, the farmer that Giddings quotes. Reddy is not a poor farmer, nor 
even the representative of poor farmers. Indeed, there is precious little 
to suggest he is even well-disposed towards the poor. The Indian Farmers 
Federation that he leads is a lobby of big commercial farmers in Andhra 
Pradesh. On occasion Reddy has admitted to knowing very little about 
farming, having never farmed in his life. He is, in reality, a politician 
and businessman whose family are a prominent right-wing political force in 
Andhra Pradesh-his father having coined the saying, There is only one 
thing Dalits (members of the untouchable caste) are good for, and that is 
being kicked.

If it seems open to doubt that Reddy was in Johannesburg to help the poor 
speak for themselves, the identity of the march's organizers is also not a 
source of confidence. Although the Times' headline said I do not need 
white NGOs to speak for me, the media contact on the organizers' press 
release was Kendra Okonski, the daughter of a US lumber industrialist who 
has worked for various right wing anti-regulatory NGOs-all funded and 
directed, needless to say, by whites. These include the Competitive 
Enterprise Institute, a Washington-based think tank whose multi-million 
dollar budget comes from major US corporations, among them BIO member Dow 
Chemicals. Okonski also runs the website Counterprotest.net, where her 
specialty is helping right wing lobbyists take to the streets in mimicry of 
popular protesters.

Given this, it hardly needs saying that Giddings' Bullshit Award was far 
from, as he suggests, the imaginative riposte of impoverished farmers to 
India's most celebrated environmentalist. It was, in 

Re: Other than Jeavons?

2002-12-09 Thread Richard Kalin
Title: Re: WENDELL BERRY: The Agrarian Standard



I think that the most readible introduction is"Secrets 
of the Soil" by Chris Bird and Peter Tomkins.

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  AM
  Subject: Other than Jeavons?
  
  My only information on biodynamic gardening is 
  from the Jeavons books. Anything else I should be reading?
  
  Rose


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Re: Applied Biodynamics On-line

2002-12-09 Thread SBruno75
Allan, I will be answering questions for the JPI site.  I thought it would be 
up by now, do not know what the hold up is.  Posting the old issues of 
Applied Biodynamics is a great idea, will work on it.  
ps:  if you have some decent trace minerals, add hot water to a muddy 
consistancy and paste yer foot...sstorch  




reading - other than Jeavons

2002-12-09 Thread flylo
Rose, here is a post from awhile back about a book list on 
biodynamic agriculture. You also may want to look up Biodynamic 
in Google search and go to some of the websites. You'll probably 
run across a number of list member's sites there.

(i never throw out anything, not even old emails.) 
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From:   agdoc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject:Re: Biodynamic Reading 
Date sent:  Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:33:00 -0700
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Dear Friends of Biodynamic Agriculture,

I've been interested in the various comments on bd 
literature lately. It
needs to be said: There are many fine books and booklets 
to choose from
on
biodynamics in general as well as on more specific topics. 
Some of these
are
available in English, some in French and Spanish and many 
in German
(some
other languages are available too).

Below, I've first listed a potential reading list for beginners of
various
kinds, then further down I've listed just a couple of my 
favorite
(english)
books that I have used over the last 25 years myself as well 
as with
apprentices and mature practitioners in many countries and 
in varying
situations. I've added some personal commentary to  them 
as a further
aide
in choosing where to start. Although I do not agree with 
everything that
is
said in all these books, I do believe they provide a healthy 
spectrum of
bd
ideas, experiences and background for the would-be or 
even practicing bd
farmer or gardener. In the future, I may have time to add 
further
commentaries to this list.

I have not listed all the bd books (by far not), nor is the list
complete
even as a beginners intro to bd literature. Its just a start, but 
I felt
compelled to add a few titles to those already briefly 
mentioned on the
BDNOW list.

Happy reading!
Andrew


If you are only just getting interested in biodynamics and 
want to see if
it
is for you, read:
1. Biodynamic Agriculture, Schilthuis
2. Culture and Horticulture, Storl
3. Biodynamics, New Zealand Biodynamic Association

If you are already a little familiar with bd, but want more (after
reading
the above 3), read:
1.  Laws of Life in Agriculture, Remer
2. Agricutlure of Tomorrow, Kolisko
3. Soil Fertility, Pfeiffer

If you have truly read the above and are ready to get really 
serious
about
practicing bd, then I suggest:
1. Theosophy, Steiner
2. Nature Spirits, Steiner
3. Esoteric Science, An Outline, Steiner
4. The Agriculture Course, Steiner

Once you've studied these, then dont forget:
1. A Biodynamic Book of Moons, Klocek
2. Biodynamic Introductory Lectures, Vol 1  2, Podolinsky
3. The Biodynamic Farm, Koepf
4. Biodynamic Greenhouse Management, Grotzke
5. Bringing a Garden to Life, Williams
6. Gaiasophy, Zoeteman
7. Gardening for Health and Nutrition, Philbrick


Agriculture of Tomorrow, Eugen  Lili Kolisko

Probably the single most important book about biodynamics 
besides the
agricuture course itself. Actually written by Lili Kolisko after 
Eugen's
death, this book is the result of several decades of work by 
both of the
Kolisko's. Eugen was a medical doctor and Lili a biologist. 
Lili was
considered by many one of Steiner's closest students and 
was certainly
an
amazingly hard working scientist. She attended the 
agricutlure course,
was
allowed to stenograph all the lectures and then established 
the
Biological
Institute of the Goetheanum in Stuttgart primarily to work 
on his
agricultural indications and was funded in large part initially 
by
Rudolf
Steiner himself. The book is an easy read actually, despite 
the charts
and
many photographs of initially strange looking substances, 
shapes and
colors.
Most significant is that it outlines the scientific ideas behind
biodynamics
as a practice. Lots of practical advice, ideas and insights. 
Truly
amazing.
Out of print, I think, but this one is worth buying at a used 
book store
or
trading for if you can get it.


Culture and Horticulture : A Philosophy of Gardening by 
Wolf D. Storl

is still probably the finest, single volume introduction to 
biodynamics
written in English. Wolf gives a concise intro to the history, 
methods
and
thinking behind biodynamics without loosing the spiritual 
character of
this
unique system of working with nature. The copy Wolf gave 
me in January
of
1980 (just after it was published) still sits within reach of my 
desk
and
contiunes to be an inspiration. Although 417 pages of text, it 
reads
amazingly easy. Lots of diagrams and pictures. But dont be 
fooled into
thinking its a fairytale - because it is packed with usable 
knowledge!
Joel
Morrow, who used to edit the BD Journal in here in America 
for years and
years, also recommended this as a must first read.  
(Amazon carries this
at
$9.95 + $0.85 special surcharge)

Biodynamic Agricutlure by Willy Schilthuis

is a 1994 monograph written by one of the Netherlands 
finest biodynamic
practitioners. She was President of the Dutch 

Re: A strange visit/trying to share

2002-12-09 Thread Merla Barberie


Your nemesis, Randy, seem to exemplify many good, as well as misguided,
qualities. His land is in his family and farming is in his blood. He is
open enough to share with you what he is doing and he really believes in
it, works hard, makes it pay, pays his bills thereby, etc. He uses a spider
and cover crops, for crying out loud.
I was surprised at how much I liked his place, but it bothered me, I
guess because it wasn't a small farm growing vegetables organically, but
rather just large fields of beautiful perfect trees, exactly spaced...little
monocultures of various tree species planted and harvested in different
years. It might be valuable to compare an organic tree farm with
Randy's farm. I got the invitation to come via the Weed Supervisor
who is trying his hardest to produce harmony among the disparate elements
on the Weed Committee. I jumped at the chance to contribute to that.
In some way, his spread reminded me of the way you have many different
crops planted in a kind of patchwork to accommodate the shape of your land.
I have French intensive beds so that is quite different. There was
much good in his work, and I hope this is a beginning of shared respect.
My husband tells me he heard Randy bragging about how he and some other
farmers sneaked onto an organic neighbor's land who wouldn't take care
of his weeds and sprayed it with herbicide...I guess it's his personality,
not necessarily his farm. Maybe the fact that we are taking care
of weeds on our IPM road project is a start to help him to relax.
I am a threat to a long-standing culture of chemicals. If I can just
get all the tansy, knapweed, thistle and hawkweed off Rapid Lightning Road,
maybe he will respect me. There is zero tolerance for "noxious" weeds
and everything has to be oriented toward making a profit. My political
values are so different.
Taking a page out of our native son, Jimmy Carter's book, appreciate
his good points and simply acknowledge his shortcomings. That keeps the
exchange going and you can discuss little things that might lead to bigger
and better things. It's a non-judgmental, step-wise approach, and admittedly
it doesn't always work. But sometimes it produces astounding results.
I agree. I'm going to try and I appreciate Brad, the Weed Supervisor's
efforts to help find something in common between the chemical proponents
and the environmentalists. I have mellowed out a lot in my approach.
I'm demonstrating non-chemical methods and taking care of weeds.
I'm keeping confidences when I could write letters to the editor in the
local paper blasting various problems I see. Right now I'm quite
troubled about the residue in the sediment of a broad spectrum herbicide,
diquat dibromide, that was put in the lake for Eurasian watermilfoil.
This has nothing to do with Randy. It was the Public Works Director's
baby and he is extremely sensitive if I raise any questions about any problems
or about the high cost of hiring out-of-state applicators and divers to
protect drinking water inlets...Oh God!
The bare soil really bugs you? Well around here grasses and clovers
in the Christmas tree orchard is the only way it is done. This involves
mowing, but still it pays back in moisture and nutrient retention, because
as long as the level of biology is kept up in the soil, living organisms
keep these things inside their cell walls where they are not so easily
lost.
Is there some reason he keeps it bare? Does he know that in other
places such plantations all grow grass? Has he been observant of what happens
to his soil and the living organisms that support it when it spends several
years bare?
He did explain why he keeps it bare. He pointed to some trees
on his next door neighbor's land which hadn't been kept bare, but had had
lots of tansy that Randy finally sprayed Escort for him when the trees
were dormant. He commented that it had affected the growth of the
bottom branches and they didn't look good. He did have hard fescue
on interior roads between large beds on another piece of land that he bought
later. He expected it to fill in completely and keep out weeds.
Since he had that large sawdust/urea compost pile, he may be using that
as a mulch. He would never plant clover. It would have to be
grass to stand the herbicide spraying. He really believed that the
trees grew better on bare soil.
There was insect damage which means that his chemical fertilizer isn't
giving some varieties of trees, especially the native ones, what they want.
I will probably ask him about that. He could decide to approach the
native trees organically with soil and organisms just like untouched native
soil, but how would he get fast growth? Maybe it's not possible to
treat native species like the blue spruces he raises from seed from blue
trees with a long history of being grown on a tree farm.
It is always better to ask questions than to give information. This
is quite interesting. Education has come to mean, particularly in our public
schools, informing people. 

Re: WENDELL BERRY: The Agrarian Standard

2002-12-09 Thread Allan Balliett
Rose - You can read the Berry Agrarian article at 
http://www.oriononline.org/pages/om/02-3om/Berry.html

It came from the Orion Society homepage

-Allan



Re: Other than Jeavons?

2002-12-09 Thread Allan Balliett
My only information on biodynamic gardening is from the Jeavons 
books.  Anything else I should be reading?

Rose

Rose - Emphatically, Jeavons is NOT biodynamic. Biodynamics is a 
spiritual approach to farming Jeavons was exposed to biodynamics from 
Chadwick, who claimed to have studied directly with Steiner. Jeavons, 
although a spritual man himself, intentionally stripped the 
spirituality from biointensive and pushes it as a way of building 
topsoil and producing more vegetables. Biodynamics, of course, does 
much more than that.

If someone hasn't already posted a list of BD books, I'll do that later.

If you are going to buy your books on-line and not through JPI, 
please use the BD Now! Amazon portal at 
http://www.growingforthefuture.com

Thanks!

-Allan



Re: Hugo Erbe

2002-12-09 Thread The Korrows
Dear Mark, there was a mention of Schaumburg Publications working on a
translation, and I don't think anything ever came of it. The JPI newsletter
had said call them and let them know you are interested, so I did it. I
personally would love to see this translated, and I agree with Allan that
JPI would most likely be interested in being a US distributor. Christy
- Original Message -
From: Mark Moodie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:13 AM
Subject: Hugo Erbe


 I would be interested to hear if there is interest in an English
Translation
 of 'Working with the Elementals' which details Hugo Erbe's work.

 A friend and I began a translation and discussions with the holder of the
 German Copyright and then found that a fine translation was commissioned
and
 completed for the Bio-dynamic Seminar on the UK. The translator has
granted
 his blessing and now we have to submit that to Germany and then knock it
up
 into a publication - so there will be some time delay in having it ready
to
 ship.

 However it would be good to get some idea of those who would be interested
 so we can guesstimate a print run. I guess if any of you want to be an
 outlet outside the UK I would be very happy to chat.

 Contents
 Who was Hugo Erbe - Hellmut Finsterlin
 New Preparations - Hugo Erbe
 Introductory Remarks - Hugo Erbe
 The Elementals as Helpers in Farm and Garden - Ernst Hagemann
 Supplementary Notes to Preceding Chapter
 Hugo Erbe's Bio-dynamic Preparations
 A - Preparations supplementing those given by Rudolf Steiner
 1 The Calcium Preparation
 2 The Loam Preparation
 3 The Cholorophyll Preparation
 4 The Carbon Preparation
 5 The Cows Stomach Preparation
 6 Earth Preparation 1
 7 Earth preparation 2

 B Offerings for the Elemental World
 8 The three Kings Preparation
 9 The Harmonizing Preparation

 C Tree Sprays and Preparations for Seeds and seedlings
 10 -12 Tree Preparations - 1 - 3
 13  14 Seed Bath Preparations 1  2
 15 Root dip Preprations for seedlings and transplants

 D Special Preparations for Special Circumstances
 16  17 Warmth Preparations 1  2
 18 Frost Protection Preparation
 19 Preparation for Protections against Storms and Floods
 20 Humus Preparation
 21 Protection against Crop damage and from Wild Animals

 Instructions for making Hugo Erb's B-D Preps
 Supplementary notes and Special Ingredients
 Bibliography
 --





Re: Hugo Erbe

2002-12-09 Thread Cheryl Kemp
Yes Please Mark, we would be very interested in Australia, and would happily
be an outlet
.
Cheryl Kemp
Education and Workshop Coordinator
Biodynamic AgriCulture Australia
Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322
Home: 02 6657 5306
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.biodynamics.net.au

- Original Message -
From: Mark Moodie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:13 PM
Subject: Hugo Erbe


 I would be interested to hear if there is interest in an English
Translation
 of 'Working with the Elementals' which details Hugo Erbe's work.

 A friend and I began a translation and discussions with the holder of the
 German Copyright and then found that a fine translation was commissioned
and
 completed for the Bio-dynamic Seminar on the UK. The translator has
granted
 his blessing and now we have to submit that to Germany and then knock it
up
 into a publication - so there will be some time delay in having it ready
to
 ship.

 However it would be good to get some idea of those who would be interested
 so we can guesstimate a print run. I guess if any of you want to be an
 outlet outside the UK I would be very happy to chat.

 Contents
 Who was Hugo Erbe - Hellmut Finsterlin
 New Preparations - Hugo Erbe
 Introductory Remarks - Hugo Erbe
 The Elementals as Helpers in Farm and Garden - Ernst Hagemann
 Supplementary Notes to Preceding Chapter
 Hugo Erbe's Bio-dynamic Preparations
 A - Preparations supplementing those given by Rudolf Steiner
 1 The Calcium Preparation
 2 The Loam Preparation
 3 The Cholorophyll Preparation
 4 The Carbon Preparation
 5 The Cows Stomach Preparation
 6 Earth Preparation 1
 7 Earth preparation 2

 B Offerings for the Elemental World
 8 The three Kings Preparation
 9 The Harmonizing Preparation

 C Tree Sprays and Preparations for Seeds and seedlings
 10 -12 Tree Preparations - 1 - 3
 13  14 Seed Bath Preparations 1  2
 15 Root dip Preprations for seedlings and transplants

 D Special Preparations for Special Circumstances
 16  17 Warmth Preparations 1  2
 18 Frost Protection Preparation
 19 Preparation for Protections against Storms and Floods
 20 Humus Preparation
 21 Protection against Crop damage and from Wild Animals

 Instructions for making Hugo Erb's B-D Preps
 Supplementary notes and Special Ingredients
 Bibliography
 --





Re: Transplanting remedies ?

2002-12-09 Thread Cheryl Kemp
The Bach remedy, Walnut works to support change. Shock from change,
difficulty in adapting, and settling after a major change. So of course
moving a plant would cause shock and disorientation.
I would also use Bach Remedy walnut to settle calves when being separated
from their mothers at weaning, stops nights of howling.
It is also wonderful in our own lives for sudden change of life
circumstances. It just calms and gives acceptance.

Cheryl Kemp
Education and Workshop Coordinator
Biodynamic AgriCulture Australia
Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322
Home: 02 6657 5306
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.biodynamics.net.au

- Original Message -
From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: Transplanting remedies ?


 Dear Per,

 Not quite. Like cures.

 And Bach Flower Remedies are sold everywhere, presumably at your city
 organic food place. You put a few drops of this remedy in a bucket of
water
 and stir like a BD remedy. Use for transplants.

 If you want to know specifically what grasses walnut allows to grow, look
 under a walnut tree. It inhibits ALL others.

 But walnut remedy does not inhibit growth. You use walnut REMEDY to
promote
 growth. That goes for grapes too.

 Precision in language has its desirable side.

 Best,
 Hugh




 Hi Hugh
 
 Opposite cures ?
 
 Interesting, what dilution of remedy's are you suggesting, and can you
 recommend a more economic source than the city organic food place. How do
 you apply this solution ?
 Rescue remedy is English do any one make it the USA ?
 Bach Flower Remedy, Walnut who ??
 Is it know what grasses walnut remedy promotes ?
 Do's walnut remedy inhibit growth of grapes ??
 
 Why would you select a homeopathic remedy's rater than a BD prep 501/or
??
 in addition to BD prep ??  (I have not yet understood all BD preps and
 function of them,  I'm a slow reader)
 
 
 
 Thanks
 Per Garp/NH
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 02:50 PM
 Subject: Re: Transplanting remedies ?
 
 
  Hi All
  
  Can some one explain the transplanting function of this
  rescue remedy and the Bach Flower Remedy, Walnut
  I'm familiar with rescue remedy, but have no information
  abut :Bach Flower Remedy, Walnut:
  Normally Walnut inhibit growth of other plants ??
  
  Thanks
  Per Garp/NH
 
 
  Dear Per,
 
  You are right on the money that walnut inhibits the growth in almost
  everything except one or two grasses and black raspberries. That is
  precisely why it is used.
 
  Homeopathy is the treatment of conditions with materials--taken out to
  dilute potencies--that would otherwise cause the same condition in
healthy
  organisms. Thus to treat cancer, the usual treatment is homeopathic
 Iscador
  (mistletoe) which amounts to a cancerous growth when it occurs
naturally
 on
  oak trees.
 
  In this case to get the transplants over their shock, use rescue
remedy;
 to
  send them off into growth give them walnut, a Bach Flower Remedy.
 
  Best,
  Hugh Lovel
  Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
 

 Visit our website at: www.unionag.org





Re: Hugo Erbe

2002-12-09 Thread Gil Robertson
Hi! Mark,
I would be interested.
It may be that the print run would be so small that the cost of type setting
would make the per copy price over the top.
Would you consider publication as an E book and charge the usual five dollars
a down load and we can either keep it on the computer or print a single copy for
our own use.

Gil


Gil Robertson
P.O. Box 51
Port Lincoln SA
Australia 5606

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

61 8 86843698

Mark Moodie wrote:

 I would be interested to hear if there is interest in an English Translation
 of 'Working with the Elementals' which details Hugo Erbe's work.




Re: Hugo Erbe

2002-12-09 Thread Allan Balliett
I've been advised that the rights to the English version of this work 
are owned by Schaumburg Publications in Schaumburg, Illinois, Tel/Fax 
(708) 351-2444.

It would be inappropriate, I understand, to introduce another 
commercial English translation under these circumstances.

It's essential that in these circles we honor the efforts of our 
brothers and sisters.

I applaud Mark for his effort and initiative and appreciate that he 
was willing to run his plans up the flag pole before he went forward.

Thanks

-Allan



Re: Transplanting remedies ?

2002-12-09 Thread Glen Atkinson
Garuda BD Rooting Compound works wonderfully well

I hope top have some pictures of broad beans using rooting comp as
opposed to our combination spray Etherics on the web site very soon.
Most interesting
Glen A

 - Original Message -
 From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:28 PM
 Subject: Re: Transplanting remedies ?
 
  Dear Per,
 
  Not quite. Like cures.
 
  And Bach Flower Remedies are sold everywhere, presumably at your city
  organic food place. You put a few drops of this remedy in a bucket of
 water
  and stir like a BD remedy. Use for transplants.
 
  If you want to know specifically what grasses walnut allows to grow, look
  under a walnut tree. It inhibits ALL others.
 
  But walnut remedy does not inhibit growth. You use walnut REMEDY to
 promote
  growth. That goes for grapes too.
 
  Precision in language has its desirable side.
 
  Best,
  Hugh
 
 
 
 
  Hi Hugh
  
  Opposite cures ?
  
  Interesting, what dilution of remedy's are you suggesting, and can you
  recommend a more economic source than the city organic food place. How do
  you apply this solution ?
  Rescue remedy is English do any one make it the USA ?
  Bach Flower Remedy, Walnut who ??
  Is it know what grasses walnut remedy promotes ?
  Do's walnut remedy inhibit growth of grapes ??
  
  Why would you select a homeopathic remedy's rater than a BD prep 501/or
 ??
  in addition to BD prep ??  (I have not yet understood all BD preps and
  function of them,  I'm a slow reader)
  
  
  
  Thanks
  Per Garp/NH
  
  
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 02:50 PM
  Subject: Re: Transplanting remedies ?
  
  
   Hi All
   
   Can some one explain the transplanting function of this
   rescue remedy and the Bach Flower Remedy, Walnut
   I'm familiar with rescue remedy, but have no information
   abut :Bach Flower Remedy, Walnut:
   Normally Walnut inhibit growth of other plants ??
   
   Thanks
   Per Garp/NH
  
  
   Dear Per,
  
   You are right on the money that walnut inhibits the growth in almost
   everything except one or two grasses and black raspberries. That is
   precisely why it is used.
  
   Homeopathy is the treatment of conditions with materials--taken out to
   dilute potencies--that would otherwise cause the same condition in
 healthy
   organisms. Thus to treat cancer, the usual treatment is homeopathic
  Iscador
   (mistletoe) which amounts to a cancerous growth when it occurs
 naturally
  on
   oak trees.
  
   In this case to get the transplants over their shock, use rescue
 remedy;
  to
   send them off into growth give them walnut, a Bach Flower Remedy.
  
   Best,
   Hugh Lovel
   Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
  
 
  Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
 

-- 
Garuda Biodynamics - for BD Preps, Consultations, Books  Diagrams
See our web site @ http://get.to/garuda




Re: Transplanting remedies ?

2002-12-09 Thread Peter Michael Bacchus
Its about letting go of the past and grasping the present and the future.
The way the remedy is made the inhibiting qualities of the strong tannins
are left behind.
Regards,
Peter.
- Original Message -
From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: Transplanting remedies ?


 Hi All
 
 Can some one explain the transplanting function of this
 rescue remedy and the Bach Flower Remedy, Walnut
 I'm familiar with rescue remedy, but have no information
 abut :Bach Flower Remedy, Walnut:
 Normally Walnut inhibit growth of other plants ??
 
 Thanks
 Per Garp/NH


 Dear Per,

 You are right on the money that walnut inhibits the growth in almost
 everything except one or two grasses and black raspberries. That is
 precisely why it is used.

 Homeopathy is the treatment of conditions with materials--taken out to
 dilute potencies--that would otherwise cause the same condition in healthy
 organisms. Thus to treat cancer, the usual treatment is homeopathic
Iscador
 (mistletoe) which amounts to a cancerous growth when it occurs naturally
on
 oak trees.

 In this case to get the transplants over their shock, use rescue remedy;
to
 send them off into growth give them walnut, a Bach Flower Remedy.

 Best,
 Hugh Lovel
 Visit our website at: www.unionag.org





Re: Hugo Erbe

2002-12-09 Thread The Korrows
They have the rights, but are things actually progressing with the
translation? Maybe Shaumburg would like some one to assist in the process?
Christy




Re: Hugo Erbe

2002-12-09 Thread Allan Balliett
They have the rights, but are things actually progressing with the
translation? Maybe Shaumburg would like some one to assist in the process?
Christy


easy enough to check out: Shaumburg  Tel/Fax (708) 351-2444.

-Allan