prep making illegal in the EU
Dear Friends, I have just read in Anthroposophy Worldwide that as of May 1, 2003, it is illegal to make BD preps in the EU. Demeter international has opened an office in Brussels, the capitol, in order to have a presence and develop some good relations with the government people who make the decisions. At the time of publication, an editors note indicated that there was the possibility of the government reaching some kind of 'comprimise' in regards to this issue. I could easily see this happening in the US as a precautionary measure, although I doubt many government officials know that BD exists. Christy ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
Folks - I don't know about the illegality of making the preps but I suppose it has been technically illegal to use them, at least in the UK, for some longish time. Correctly speaking, only substances/chemicals approved by the Ministry of Agriculture and so labelled may be used, even in private gardens. It is thus against the law to apply (for example) common salt, as this is not an approved chemical. For non-commercial gardeners, the obvious question is How would they know? - furthermore, charges of using an obviously harmless substance, merely because it has not been approved, would surely be laughed out of court. I guess that the situation would be very different for a commercial grower.Tony N-S. _ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
It is true about the making of the preparations being illegal here in Europe at the moment. The problem is in the burying of the organs; after all the animal diseases that we have had the last years (BSE, foot and mouth, chicken disease now in Holland, etc) legislation has become very strict on what you can and can't do with animal organs. So we either have to make them illegally, or ? There have been some experiments in Holland by a creative BDfarmer who made the preparations without the organs, by putting the herbs at a certain place in a replica Cheops pyramide. Apparantly there are different levels in the pyramide, that correspond with ...? I would love to hear from other people if they have any alternative ways of manufacturing the preparations. What are these Rae cards that Loyd was writing about last week? Apparantly there has been a lot of creativity in applying them (broadcasters, BDmax ready-sprays, orgon accumulators), but how about making them? Does everybody here follow the basic recipe? Arjen Huese ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Cabbage Maggots!!
Somehow, we managed to get some serious pesky critters in our broccoli beds. We hardly ever have anything like this and it took us awhile to catch on what was happening... They are: Cabbage Maggot, Diptera: Anthomyiidae, Delia radicum (L.). They're just starting and we dug up all we could find and I'm making a BD spray out of the larvae and pupae. Do I have to wait until they dissolve? Can I speed this up by mushing them up? I hate mushing up larvae! We're going to dig in some diatomaceous earth too. The ones that have already pupated that we can't find will be the second generation. Whoopee! Is there any other measure we can take? The literature says that we're out of luck if we can see the larvae eating away on the roots. The Extension agent says they overwinter here in the roots of wild mustard. The only thing we did differently than we usually do is get manure for next year earlier than usual and it's been cold and wet. I bet we brought them in there and the flies hatched out and flew to the brassicas. IDENTIFICATION: The adult stage of the cabbage and seedcorn maggots is a small (about 1/4 inch long), dark-grey fly that is similar in appearance to the house fly. The legless larvae of both species are white, tapered maggots that reach a size of about 1/3 inch long when fully grown. Maggots of these species are virtually indistinguishable from one another in the field. LIFE HISTORY: Cabbage and seedcorn maggot adults typically emerge in April and begin laying eggs. Female cabbage maggot flies actively seek out and lay eggs on the lower portions of stems of young host seedlings or in nearby cracks in the soil. Within a few days the eggs hatch and the tiny maggots burrow down to the roots and begin feeding. About three to four weeks later pupation occurs in the soil which is followed about a week later by the emergence of second generation adults. Several generations may occur as late as early July, but the first generation is the most destructive. Soil-borne pupae of the last generation serve as the overwintering stage. The life cycle of the seedcorn maggot is similar to that of the cabbage maggot; however, the seedcorn maggot prefers to lay eggs in freshly-tilled soil that is high in moisture and organic matter, and especially in soil where animal manure has been applied because it is highly attractive to female seedcorn maggot flies during egg laying. The eggs of the seedcorn maggot hatch within a few days and the maggots begin feeding on decaying organic matter or the germinating seeds of wild or crop plants. Seedcorn maggots are known to be highly attracted to odors produced by germinating seeds. CONTROL: No action thresholds or scouting techniques currently are available for cabbage or seedcorn maggots, thus control measures typically rely on preventive use of soil-applied granular insecticides or insecticidal seed treatments at planting. Ground beetles and other predators may provide some degree of control, but serious damage can occur if conditions after planting are cool and wet. Mechanical barriers such as tar paper, plastic mulch, and foam-rubber collars placed at the base of plants have been used with some success to prevent egg laying by cabbage maggots; however, insecticidal seed treatments or the more expensive granular insecticides, when used at planting, are considered the best methods for controlling seedcorn maggots. Because subsequent generations of seedcorn maggots are not as damaging, replanting usually is effective, although costly. Also, gardens with a history of seedcorn maggot problems may benefit from the application of an insecticidal seed treatment at planting. * * * * * Screen cones or a mesh netting over early spring cabbage prevent the cabbage maggot fly from laying its eggs at the base of the plant. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
Homeopathic preps come of age GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: The Korrows To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:45 AM Subject: prep making illegal in the EU Dear Friends, I have just read in Anthroposophy Worldwide that as of May 1, 2003, it is illegal to make BD preps in the EU. Demeter international has opened an office in Brussels, the capitol, in order to have a presence and develop some good relations with the government people who make the decisions. At the time of publication, an editors note indicated that there was the possibility of the government reaching some kind of 'comprimise' in regards to this issue. I could easily see this happening in the US as a precautionary measure, although I doubt many government officials know that BD exists. Christy ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: OZ product legals
Title: Re: OZ product legals Thanks Lloyd G BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 5:08 AM Subject: Re: OZ product legals - Original Message - From: Garuda To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 7:32 AM Subject: Re: OZ product legals Does anyone have any info on the status of the BD preps in the OZ ag regs??? GA Glen I'd be surprised if anyone has thought about this - organic certification is still not in the hands of officialdom, we have pesticide regs administered by a mix of ag dept and EPA, workcover also gets involved, its all about the suing you know, and about protecting access to overseasmarkets, has very little to do with safety, so last time I looked you can legally spray endosulfan on tomatoes three days before local consumption but must observe a six month witholding for grass pasture consumed by beef cattle. If I was in your position I think I'd go first for NASA certification as an organic input - that would probably open most of the other doors you need, we have a Australia NZ free trade agreement in place to ease the pain. Cheers Lloyd Charles ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
Arjen While it may be illegal to make and apply BD preps in the EU it could be possible to use Homeopathic preps made from preps from outside the EU. Or to make them in Europe now from existing preps. My experience in the USA is that preps I took there from NZ - and going thru several X ray machines -worked very well there. In my case studies area of my site , the rabbit control pictures were achieved using NZ BD preps in PA near Pittsburg. re registration legislation seems that this has beaten everyone. We too in NZ are essentially illegal regarding ACVM legislation. Even if one gets registered or exempt there is a $320 annual fee to keep each product legal. I saw OZ is $620 pa. Looks like the end to the backyarders hoping to do a little cottage industry on the side. Just when 'they' start to enforce the law is the question. GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Arjen Huese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:52 AM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU It is true about the making of the preparations being illegal here in Europe at the moment. The problem is in the burying of the organs; after all the animal diseases that we have had the last years (BSE, foot and mouth, chicken disease now in Holland, etc) legislation has become very strict on what you can and can't do with animal organs. So we either have to make them illegally, or ? There have been some experiments in Holland by a creative BDfarmer who made the preparations without the organs, by putting the herbs at a certain place in a replica Cheops pyramide. Apparantly there are different levels in the pyramide, that correspond with ...? I would love to hear from other people if they have any alternative ways of manufacturing the preparations. What are these Rae cards that Loyd was writing about last week? Apparantly there has been a lot of creativity in applying them (broadcasters, BDmax ready-sprays, orgon accumulators), but how about making them? Does everybody here follow the basic recipe? Arjen Huese ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
At 08:11 10/06/2003 +1200, you wrote: While it may be illegal to make and apply BD preps in the EU it could be possible to use Homeopathic preps made from preps from outside the EU. Or to make them in Europe now from existing preps. My experience in the USA is that preps I took there from NZ - and going thru several X ray machines -worked very well there. These preps you took to USA were they homeopathic preps? --- is it homoepathic preps that you are using in your Etherics 1000 sprays? And by dynamising them already when you make them into a homeopathic prep, you don't need to stir them for 1 hour any more? --- That would make sense wouldn't it? I am working my way through your Biodynamics Decoded and I am impressed I must say. It seems some pieces of the puzzle that were already moving through my hands are finding their places now. Thanks! Arjen ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
These preps you took to USA were they homeopathic preps? --- Yes is it homoepathic preps that you are using in your Etherics 1000 sprays? Yes And by dynamising them already when you make them into a homeopathic prep, you don't need to stir them for 1 hour any more? --- That would make sense wouldn't it? We have discussed the various ways of doing this on the list in the past and several different ways were suggested. To me stirring is a potentising process and done in the way suggested because of the quatities being stirred ie 3 gallons or 150 gallons as the case maybe. For smaller quatities normal potentising would/should be perfectly fine. Works for me. Whatever one does, you will create something, that you will have to learn what it does and how best to use it. No matter how you prepare it. Reality does not seem as precious as our beliefs. I am working my way through your Biodynamics Decoded and I am impressed I must say. Great to hear you are finding it of value. Have many other folk at Emerson come across it yet? It seems some pieces of the puzzle that were already moving through my hands are finding their places now. The 'Biodynamics Decoded' chart is best printed out and hung on the wall for constant reference. If your students know of this chart early in their course I reckon they would 'get it' (BD) much quicker than normally is the case. The 'manifestations' picture ( http://rimu.orcon.net.nz/garuda/manifest.htm ) is a further development of that chart. BD Decoded is a single vortex, Manifestations is the gyroscope, which is closer to the reality of things. A wee bit more complex but surprisingly interesting, especially when the circular periodic table is placed over it. http://rimu.orcon.net.nz/garuda/periodic.html. - A suggestion for the basis of a Biodynamic chemistry, perhaps? cheers Glen A Thanks! Arjen ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
I would love to hear from other people if they have any alternative ways of manufacturing the preparations. What are these Rae cards that Loyd was writing about last week? Apparantly there has been a lot of creativity in applying them (broadcasters, BDmax ready-sprays, orgon accumulators), but how about making them? Does everybody here follow the basic recipe? Hi Arjen I did a small experiment last year, has already raised a few hackles in Australia among traditionalists I think. We made some barrel compost : From the same batch of manure I made one pit the traditional way with a set of conventional preps from our association, the second pit was made exactly the same except that I mixed a set of radionic preps into the manure before putting it in the pit and I used a set of radionic preps placed exactly as the conventional ones were placed. These were prepared from malcolm rae cards using a small potentiser instrument made in Australia by Peter Ruemhkorff, so there was no actual prep material at all in the second pit. I took these up in late december and I could not detect any difference except by dowsing the energy levels, (and I am biased and also knew which was which so I dont count) so far we have tested the two by dowsing, by radionic analysis for general vitality, and by doing chromas. Several people did the dowsing and the general consensus was not much different but a little in favour of the radionic preps, the radionic analysis was done by a very competent independent operator, who did not know what he was testing, done in front of 80 people (Hugh Lovel was there), and showed a small advantage to the radionic preps - from memory the readings were something like 675 the radionics and 630 the conventional. I have the chroma pictures here and although I know little about it I prefer the look of the radionic chroma, its a nicer picture with much more definition. I have a copy of a Soil Foodweb Institute test (Elaine Ingham,s lab) : active bacterial 34.7 total bacterial 877 active fungal 235 total fungal 436 - lab comments were that its not mature yet - wait till activity drops below 10% before applying and that it will become more fungal with time, I dont know these tests but it rated excellent, Steve Storch might like to comment on the numbers (his will be better of course!) I was not trying to push anybody's buttons by doing this - the opportunity was there to learn something - so I took it - but I bet the anti radionic people are not happy with the result so far. This sort of thing may be the way out for you people in Europe and what happens there will probably be inflicted on the rest of us at some point - I would like to be ready for that time. Hope you find this interesting Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
- Original Message - From: Garuda To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:57 AM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU Homeopathic preps come of age GA Thought you would be grinning! LC ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Fwd: Prep 500 and 501 effects
Dear Glen, et. al., Talk about confusing! Glen, you refer to your chart with the four levels on it. I've lost my copy and can't put my hands on it. So I don't get very far in that direction. And if I'm not getting it, I wonder how many others are. I find I have to look for concrete examples of these things, such as cosmic silica and earthly silica; cosmic lime and earthly lime. Such things as the earthly lime in the cranium is what anchors and encloses the cosmic silica alight in the brain. Or, rather the cosmic silica conducts the nerve impulses in the brain and down the spinal column, and it is the phosphorus that lights it up and the nitrogen that provides consciousness. But then we have lime in the muscles that must be there for the muscles to relax and silica in the hair and nails that form our furthest contact with the world around us. Isn't that cosmic lime in the muscles? Or maybe not. Maybe it too is earthly lime as it must meet the cosmic silica stream from the brain in the muscles. Maybe the cosmic lime is all in the digestion and then where is the earthly silica? There is silica in the air around us and it forms most of the finest dust particles in the air. I want to be able to point to the quartz rocks in my garden as earthly silica and then, since the silica in the air is derived from the upwelling silica from within the earth, isn't it too, earthly silica? Doesn't it become cosmic silica when it is taken up by a plant such as wheat, corn or bamboo shoots and ingested, digested, circulated in the blood until it becomes hardened and mineralized again such as in the hair or fingernails? Surely cosmic and earthly lime and silica switch back from one polarity to the other depending on how they are functioning. Or do they? I can't deal with all these abstractions and never a concrete example. Very, very confusing indeed. Can you help clear up this muddle for me? I know we build muscles by breathing, so I thought that would be the cosmic lime function. But we stabilize and anchor our thinking with that good old mineralized lime in our bony heads, eh? Best, Hugh Lovel Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: OZ product legals
Title: Re: OZ product legals Glen: As far as I know preps don't officially exist,so I know of no regs. As for your previous questions, I rang Customs who only seem to be interested in collecting tax etc try www.customs.gov.au and suggested contacting Australian Quarantine Inspection Service (AQIS) try www.affa.gov.au David C - Original Message - From: Garuda To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 7:32 AM Subject: Re: OZ product legals Does anyone have any info on the status of the BD preps in the OZ ag regs??? GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Liz Davis To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: Re: OZ product legals Hi GlenDid a quick search around and the best I can come up with is Australian Pest and Vet Medicine Australia (APVM). They do refer to standards, products and residues. Maybe from here you may find what you are looking for? LLLiz on 8/6/03 7:53 AM, Garuda at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hullo AustraliaI am wondering if anyone here knows about the regulatory requirements necessary to be able to seel a horticulture product in OZ.Here in NZ we have to get ACVM clearance re residues and labelling through the NZ food safety authority.What is the similiar body in OZ?What are the BDA and other product manufactures doing re this in OZ .many thanksGlen A___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
My understanding is that Homoeopathic Preps are excluded. Would it be that Preps made using Rae Cards, be also excluded? Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: Folks - I don't know about the illegality of making the preps but I suppose it has been technically illegal to use them, at least in the UK, for some longish time. Correctly speaking, only substances/chemicals approved by the Ministry of Agriculture and so labelled may be used, even in private gardens. It is thus against the law to apply (for example) common salt, as this is not an approved chemical. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
It is only pertaining to the preps that use animal parts. Not 501, 500 and 507. This is my understanding from Lawrence Lampson from Glenora Farm in Duncan on Vancouver Island, BC's visit to Dornach at Easter time. Michael - Original Message - From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU My understanding is that Homoeopathic Preps are excluded. Would it be that Preps made using Rae Cards, be also excluded? Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: Folks - I don't know about the illegality of making the preps but I suppose it has been technically illegal to use them, at least in the UK, for some longish time. Correctly speaking, only substances/chemicals approved by the Ministry of Agriculture and so labelled may be used, even in private gardens. It is thus against the law to apply (for example) common salt, as this is not an approved chemical. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
How do you make 500 and 501 if not in cow's horns? 504, 507 and 508 are clear enough, Warm regards, Peter, - Original Message - From: mroiboz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU It is only pertaining to the preps that use animal parts. Not 501, 500 and 507. This is my understanding from Lawrence Lampson from Glenora Farm in Duncan on Vancouver Island, BC's visit to Dornach at Easter time. Michael - Original Message - From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU My understanding is that Homoeopathic Preps are excluded. Would it be that Preps made using Rae Cards, be also excluded? Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: Folks - I don't know about the illegality of making the preps but I suppose it has been technically illegal to use them, at least in the UK, for some longish time. Correctly speaking, only substances/chemicals approved by the Ministry of Agriculture and so labelled may be used, even in private gardens. It is thus against the law to apply (for example) common salt, as this is not an approved chemical. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
