Re: Shakespeare on George W. Bush...

2002-10-04 Thread Patti Berg


 
The Shakespeare quote just begs the following response:
The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending
spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing
evil, it multiplies it... Through violence you may murder the hater, but
you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate Returning
violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a
night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out hate; only love
can do that.
-- Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Patti.
 
 
Moen Creek wrote:
 

 
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums
of war in order to whip the
citizenry into a patriotic fervor,
for patriotism is indeed a
double-edged sword.  It both
emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the
mind...And when the drums of war have
reached a fever pitch and the
blood boils with hate and the mind
has closed, the leader will have no
need in seizing the rights of the
citizenry. Rather, the citizenry,
infused with fear and blinded with
patriotism, will offer up all of
their rights unto the leader, and
gladly so.  How do I know? For this is
what I have done. And I am Caesar."
   
-William Shakespeare

 




Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq

2002-09-11 Thread Patti Berg

Ditto, Gil.  The quality of my life has increased since disconnecting
the cable some 3 1/2 years ago.   

Patti.

Gil Robertson wrote:
> 
> Maybe they should follow my lead. I have three TVs, but no antenna. I have
> VCRs on them and when some one thinks I should watch something, they record it
> and drop the tape in.
> 
> Gil
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > In a message dated 9/10/02 9:13:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > << This could be as simple as increasing the number of people voting.
> >  >>
> >
> > If you get Americans to turn off the TV we will get them to vote...sstorch




sudden oak death syndrome spreading

2002-09-05 Thread Patti Berg


THE NEW YORK TIMES

September 5, 2002

Disease Hits Firs and Redwoods, Posing Risk of Economic Damage

By CAROL KAESUK YOON

Douglas fir, one of the nation's most economically important timber
species, and California's coast redwood are infected with the
fast-spreading new disease known as sudden oak death syndrome,
scientists reported yesterday.

The researchers emphasized that they still did not know what impact the
disease would have on the long-term health of redwood and Douglas fir
forests. So far, the disease, which has killed tens of thousands of oak
trees in California, has been found in Douglas fir only in saplings in
Sonoma County.

But the potential for a major economic impact is already clear. Within a

few days, regulators said, both species will be added to the official
list
of susceptible species, making these two important trees subject to the
evolving state and federal quarantine regulations intended to stop the
spread of this still poorly understood disease.

"We were stunned," said Dr. David Rizzo, plant pathologist at the
University of California at Davis who led the study with
Dr. Matteo Garbelotto, a forest pathologist at the Berkeley campus.
"Douglas fir goes up into British Columbia, so this is a big deal."


Mark Stanley, chairman of the California oak mortality task force, a
coalition of government agencies, nonprofit groups and other private
organizations, said that regulators and task force members hoped to
mitigate the impact on the forestry industry, perhaps by regulating the
movement of only parts of Douglas fir and redwood trees.

Current federal regulations include the requirement that all host
species harvested from infected areas have all bark removed
and left on site and be accompanied by a certificate before being
transported between states.

Harvests of Douglas fir, a major timber and Christmas tree species, are
worth more than a billion dollars each year in the United States.
Douglas
fir is the dominant tree of the Pacific Northwest, giving the forests of

the region their distinctive evergreen canopy.  Redwood, also valued as
timber, produces bark that is widely sold for landscaping in gardens.

In response to the new results, Gov. Gray Davis of California yesterday
sent President Bush a letter requesting $10 million in federal money to
fight the disease. "The implications of this disease are enormous,
including
a major change in the environment and landscape of California, severe
economic dislocation, and an increase in fire danger," the letter said.

The disease is caused by the microscopic organism known as Phytophthora
ramorum, part of a group funguslike organisms known as water molds.
Discovered in California in 1995, and thought by most scientists to be a

foreign, invasive species, the disease is a close relative of the
pathogen
that caused Ireland's potato blight and another species that has wiped
out
vast swaths of forest in western Australia.

Quarantined regions include 12 counties in California and one
nine-square-mile patch in Oregon.

Researchers found Douglas fir and redwood trees infected with the
pathogen in the wild earlier this year, but they only recently completed

tests showing that healthy seedlings and saplings could be infected in
the laboratory by the disease.

Researchers still do not know whether large, mature Douglas fir or
redwood trees can be infected or killed by the disease.

The symptoms of infected trees of different species range from death,
in oaks, to small spots on leaves in bay trees. It remains to be seen
how
severely Douglas firs and redwoods will react to the infections. In the
field, researchers found that the disease killed the growing branchtips
of
infected, Douglas fir saplings. The disease also killed young sprouts at

the base of infected redwoods and killed the needles of the tree.

Meanwhile, as the disease appears to hop from species to species,
infecting a total of 17 known plant species in California so far,
researchers are left scrambling to find ways of containing the
ever-increasing and often unexpected sources of infection, including
yard
and park clippings.

"The Bay Area alone generates a million tons of green waste a year," Dr.

Rizzo said.

Because the disease is thriving there, Dr. Garbelotto said he had been
studying whether composting can be trusted to kill the pathogen or
whether these excesses of yard waste will need careful tracking as well.

He said he was even working on how to dry bay leaves for cooking so
that they could not spread the disease to other plants.

No cure is known for the disease, and Dr. Garbelotto and colleagues are
conducting experiments to find possible preventives that can be applied
to a forest. In Australia, where a relative of sudden oak death has
reduced
vast forests to grass and shrublands, managers have found great success
with aerial sprays of preventive chemicals. But researchers say that
sprays
would not be feasible in places like the heavily populated Bay Area or
Mu

Re: Religion?

2002-09-03 Thread Patti Berg


Dave Robison wrote:

The religion thing is difficult to convey without much more interaction.

Let me suggest that in the "intro to BD" class at www.oregonbd.com, we
tried to side-step those issues. You can get an idea of the conceptual
model behind BD in a scientific sense without needing to be a cult-like
"true beliver". The idea being to not offend beginners by dumping too
much
ideology on them. Take a look and see if it helps you understand what BD
is
about.
~~

Dave,
I have tried to access www.oregonbd.com but just get a message "unable
to locate server".  Has this site moved?

Patti.
~~~







Re: The Perils of BSE

2002-09-02 Thread Patti Berg



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  About your Mom, My
> Chi Gong doctor said that they do not use gingko for memory.  The correct
> food for the brain is walnuts.  Law of similars, a walnut indeed looks like a
> little brain, Momma may also enjoy it better as a food...give it try.
> Goodday mate...SStorch

Walnuts are indeed a good food source to prevent memory loss.  Just as good is
extra-virgin olive oil and sesame seeds.  I grind sesame seeds in my flour for
biscuits, waffles and bread and use nothing but olive oil.

Patti.




Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable,SaysBritishGuru

2002-09-02 Thread Patti Berg



Allan Balliett wrote:
> 
> It's incumbent upon me to save more of my brothers and sisters than Noah did.
> 
> How do people work together for a better world?
> 
> The only way that a strong labor union was developed in this country
> in the 30's was through the self-reliance of the family farm and the
> extended support of extended families. Workers could walk out of the
> factory if they knew the folks on the ouside of the town were
> producing enough bounty to feed them through the hard times brought
> on by striking. That sort of resource for supporting altruism is no
> long available to most of us and many in this country are only one or
> two paychecks from living on the sidewalk.
 
I empathize with your feelings of urgency in these matters, Allan.  I
have been teaching others as I learn for the last five years.  There
aren't many people who want to listen in my area which is another reason
I'm going to Kentucky.  

I have to stop sometimes and remind myself that many people in the free
world have the ability to make choices for their lives.  Unfortunately
they make choices that put them in the bondage that you describe above. 
Educating them comes about through example as well as by writing and
discussing the issues at hand and this is what I mean by being a voice
in the wilderness.  Of the hundreds of people I've spoken to, only a
handful have listened and taken to heart the times we live in.  Most
make great excuses as to why they cannot change their lives.  The truth
is they just don't want to make any sacrifices.
I just try to link with the few who will change and work with them as I
myself continue to grow in knowledge.  I have learned that the change
must come from the heart first or very little benefit will come.

> Ooops, I left off the relationship with church, the one that is being
> gobbled up right now through media-induced cynacism about the
> altruism of clergy.

Institutions are not the answer to our problems.  The Roman Catholic
church brought on their own problems centuries ago.

Patti.




Lobsters and caviar

2002-09-01 Thread Patti Berg


http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002391624,00.html

 Lobsters, caviar and brandy for
MPs at summit on starvation


By NEIL SYSON

THE sickening champagne and caviar
lifestyle being enjoyed by Earth
Summit delegates was exposed
yesterday. 

They are gorging on mountains of lobster,
oysters and fillet steak at
the Johannesburg conference — aimed at ending
FAMINE. 

As the summit began yesterday, desperate kids in
nearby shanty
towns queued for water at standpipes. 

Bigwig politicians among the 60,000 delegates,
including Deputy PM
John Prescott, also get vintage bubbly and
brandy. 

Taxpayers are footing the £500,000 bill for the
70-strong British party.
Friends of the Earth called the extravagance
“deplorable”. 

The head chef of the swanky hotel hosting Earth
Summit bigwigs
described the mountains of posh food he is
laying on for their
pleasure.

And Desmond Morgan declared: “Money is no
object.”

The chef is in charge of meals at Johannesburg’s
five-star Michelangelo
Hotel, where world leaders and other VIP
delegates are staying during
the “save the planet” conference, which opened
yesterday.

While people are going hungry at shanty towns
just a couple of miles
away, Mr Morgan told how he had stocked up with
an extraordinary
array of delicacies and fine wines.

It includes 5,000 oysters, more than 1,000lbs of
lobster and other
shellfish, buckets of caviar and piles of pâté
de foie gras.

He has also got in more than 4,400lbs of fillet
steak and chicken breasts,
450lbs of salmon, 220lbs of a tasty South
African fish called kingclip —
and more than 1,000lbs of bacon and sausages.

The huge bill is paid for by taxpayers of
participating nations including
Britain.

Mr Morgan said: “Whether they want Beluga
caviar, foie gras or bacon
sandwiches — we have it all.

“In my experience, heads of state don’t decide
what they want to eat or
drink until the last minute.

“So I have to make sure I have everything they
can possibly want.”

Vintage champagne, fine wines, spirits and
liqueurs have been flown in
from around the globe so the VIPs can wash down
their meals in style. 

A new kitchen has been especially created for
world leaders, including the
Sultan of Brunei, who have their own cooks and
tasters.

The £35million summit — aimed at combating
hunger, poverty and
pollution — is centred around Sandton, the most
exclusive suburb in
Africa.

Its streets are lined with expensive
restaurants, gated villas and gleaming
shopping malls.

Yet close by, families scratch a desperate
existence in the sprawling
shanty town of Alexandra.

They live in corrugated shacks. Hungry children
play among piles of
rubbish and queue for water at standpipes.

The average weekly wage for the few who work in
the township is less
than the cost of a vintage brandy at the
Michelangelo.

Aid agencies say southern Africa is facing its
worst food crisis for more
than a decade.

More than 14million people — most of them
children — are threatened
with starvation.

The 60,000 summit delegates from 182 countries
are expected to drink
80,000 bottles of mineral water during the
conference.

Yet each day 6,000 African children die from
diseases caused by
contaminated water.

Since the last Earth Summit in Brazil in 1992,
the number of Africans
living in poverty has soared from 220million to
300million. 

Several other environmental issues will be
discussed at the t

Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, SaysBritishGuru

2002-09-01 Thread Patti Berg



Allan Balliett wrote:

> To stealthily make all people vulnerable to them in the very future,
> they devour the traditional relationships between people and between
> people and the world around them, relationships that have sustained
> human cultures for eons.
> 
> Gone or going are the traditional relationship between person and
> family of birth, person and teacher, person and physician, person and
> strangers, person and friends, person and the opposite sex, person
> and life mate, person and food, person and nutrition, person and
> personal property, person and public property, person and livelihood,
> and on and on. In the end we will all stand exposed, with nothing but
> the corporate teet to turn to for the support of our lives...or die
> young, a scenario that works well for the corporations.
> 
> Many of these devoured relationships, relationships where
> traditionally we have  found support for our human being, are
> consumed as we cheer in happiness for the "convenience" that has been
> brought to us in exchange.

Continue to be a voice in the wilderness.  Just think.  Noah endured for
120 years while he built the ark.  The people finally realized he wasn't
nuts when the rain began to fall from the sky.  However, there were
eight people who entered the ark.

Patti.




Re: [globalnews] Opening Markets Is Not Sustainable, Says BritishGuru

2002-09-01 Thread Patti Berg


 
Moen Creek wrote:

>but what do the multi-national
corporations care. They will be able to buy "clean" food.<
What do corporations eat?

People.
Patti.


Re: Earth Crash

2002-08-27 Thread Patti Berg



Peter Michael Bacchus wrote:

> We recently had an ex genetic biotech scientist give a talk in our district
> and he predicted that in about the thirty year span that G.E. crops would
> cause massive starvation on a scale that the Earth has not previously
> experinced.
> In world summit that is currently being held in Johanesberg, S.A. It is
> expected that the Biotech lobby will be presenting themselves as the the
> susstainable future for feeding the world!!

Perhaps this is why Bush has decided to stay away from the summit.  No one has
even met the goals of the last summit 10 years ago. Yet the Biotech people are
probably meeting theirs.

Patti.




Re: earth closet: composting toilets are easier and better

2002-08-26 Thread Patti Berg

I read Jenkins' book and found it was wonderfully more than I asked for.  I
learned a lot from this but still have some suspicions.  I was just reading my
current issue of OG magazine and discovered an article warning against the use
of meat eating animal waste in the compost.  I am surprised to find this
contradiction in this particular magazine.  Yet with the world becoming
increasingly diseased, perhaps there may turn up some harmful organisms that
won't be affected by the 170 degree temperatures of the compost bin.

Patti.

Vere Scott wrote:

> Patti,
>
> Much better than an earth closet is a home-made compost toilet using dry,
> finished compost (light) rather than earth/soil (very heavy!) as covering
> medium.  The compost toilet produces more compost which completes the
> endless cycle.
>
> See also Joseph C. Jenkins "Humanure Handbook", his web site and the
> following Humanure forum where you'll find most of your questions answered
> (check its archives).
>
> Vere Scott
>
> http://www.oldgrowth.org/compost/forum_humanure/index.html
>




Re: Taking another step.

2002-08-21 Thread Patti Berg

Thanks for the suggestions, Gil.  I have subscribed to Acres USA.  I'm finally
organizing a plan of attack here. As soon as I arrange my compass I'll "fire
off".  Appreciate it much.

Patti.


Gil Robertson wrote:

> Hi! Patti,
> Could I suggest you subscribe to Acres USA. Over time it will cover every
> subject you can think about. Go to  and you will find the
> offer of a free copy and how to subscribe. Ask for a book catalogue and you
> will find a treasure house of information.
>
> For starters, I suggest two books by Hugh Lovel on this list. His "A
> Biodynamic Farm" is available from Acres USA and for the other,
> "Agricultural Renewal", contact Hugh, possibly through his Web Site.
>
> I wish you well and if there are some non site specific questions, feel free
> to fire them at me off line.
>
> Gil
> Port Lincoln, Australia
>




Re: Taking Another Step

2002-08-21 Thread Patti Berg

Merla,

Thanks for the suggestions.  I have a lot of studying to do and this will
help.

Patti.

Merla Barberie wrote:

> Hi Patty,
>
> I was too much of a neophyte too when I first came on BD Now.  What I
> did was save all the emails to categories on disks and when I learned
> what they were talking about, I reread my disks and understood a lot
> more.
>
> I'm doing this now with Compost Teas list/serve.  Many of the people are
> professional.  They design compost tea makers or they have a business
> with golf courses and large acreages.  The compost tea makers are huge
> and expensive and mechanical designers really need to share technical
> data.
>
> I wanted to share my little knowledge of making compost tea in our "Why
> Organic?" fairbooth this coming week and was not succeeding in borrowing
> a small professional teamaker because of logistics.  Finally after my
> umpteenth email, the Webmaster, Jeff, sent me a link for beginners that
> told how to rig a simple aerator on a 5 gallon bucket.  I could do this!
>
> The terra cotta pots and wet peat moss are for storing little tiny
> ziplocks of Bio-Dynamic preparations.  It is most important to keep the
> organisms in the prep alive.  I have a big pot with moss in it, but
> SStorch's message just informed me for the first time that I should have
> wet the moss.  I've probably killed everything because it's really arid
> here in August even in my root cellar.
>
> Just hang in and enjoy all these people from all over the world.
>
> Best,
>
> Merla
>




Re: FW: [globalnews] How Farmers Stopped Mexico's New InternationalAirport From Being Built

2002-08-21 Thread Patti Berg

I got another auto remove.
Patti.

Jane Sherry wrote:

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Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)

2002-08-21 Thread Patti Berg

I wasn't receiving message content on a few messages but now everything
appears back to normal.

Patti.

Allan Balliett wrote:

> >In some cases when I forward things from GlobalNews, a photo will be
> >attached to the file I receive from my GlobalNews mailing and before I
> >forward those mssg's with attached files, I delete the file first. So
> >perhaps, that's why the message appears about a stripped attachment.
> >
> >Jane
>
> I'm assuming that BD Now! people are not receiving ANY of message content.
>
> (Ain't language grand?)
>
> What is it folks?
>
> -Allan




Re: Taking another step.

2002-08-20 Thread Patti Berg



Allan Balliett wrote:

> And, hell, Patti, you oughta come up here on Sept 4 and catch JOEL
> SALATIN's presentation. Joel's "layering" concepts, coupled with
> local 'relationship marketing," allow a farmer to make a lot of money
> off from his acres without ever planting a vegetable...
>
> -Allan

Now this sounds great.  I've been doing some research on Joel Salatin and
Polyface Farm.  I like his concepts.  Thanks for the tip Allan.

Patti.
p.s. below is an excerpt from an interview done with Joel Salatin that I
found particularly interesting.

http://www.nutri-tech.com.au/Interviews/Interviews5.htm
Joel: Well, our successes have been based upon synergistic, symbiotic
enterprises, coupled with a marketing
mechanism that allows us to capture premium retail dollars. For example,
right now we produce about 100
dozen eggs a day from 2000 layers, and these are pasture-fed within feather
nets (which are electrified poultry
netting). A moveable shelter within the netting is moved every three days,
involving 1000 birds on a quarter acre
(one tenth of a hectare). This model allows one person, working seven hours
a week, on three acres, to net
$15,000 a year. Another example is called the "Biniary". This is bunnies,
vineyard and aviary all in one. This is a
quarter acre, totally enclosed with poultry netting. The vineyard trellis
poles hold up the netting. The bird netting
keeps predators away from the rabbits and keeps birds out of the grapes when
the fruit ripens, and it keeps the
pheasants in. The jumbo pheasants debug the vineyard, the rabbits mow the
vineyard - both of these fertilize the
vineyard. The grapes shade the rabbits, and the vine trellises are roosts
for the pheasants at night. The
pheasants are diurnal and the rabbits are nocturnal, so they are not even
competing for the same square
footage in any 24-hour period. The big cost of a vineyard is bug control,
dropped fruit (which overseasons the
pathogens) and ground cover maintenance. They are always mowing, mowing,
mowing. The rabbits take care
of that, the pheasants take care of the bugs and dropped fruit, and you get
this wonderful synergistic effect of
the three enterprises together. This model generates about $5000 net profit
per year from a quarter acre. The
rabbit house, where Daniel keeps his breeding stock, is two tiers of
production; breeding does (rabbits) at eye
level and chickens underneath. If you go to any commercial rabbitry, you’ll
find that you can’t walk in for the
smell. The beauty of this is that you have a standard two-car garage - a 700
square foot facility, and the rabbits
at eye level are dropping hay, urine and manure down into the bedding. Every
three weeks we add a carbon
source like woodchips, sawdust, leaves, straw, corn fodder, cotton trash,
rice hulls – whatever organic matter is
available to put in there. The chickens then incorporate it, scratch it and
fluff it with the rabbit urine and manure
and create a very low temperature decomposition. Very slow and gentle, it
gradually builds up during the year to
2 ½ to 3 ft deep. There is no smell, you get two tiers of production in the
same facility - rabbits and eggs. We’re
talking about grossing $9000, netting $4000 a year in a two-car garage. The
other thing is that neither species
is at a density that kicks in pathogen problems and smells - all of the
normal problems with factory-type farming.

The "eggmobile" is another example. The eggmobiles are two portable chicken
houses, which have 800 layers
in them. They follow the cows in the pasture rotation. The cows of course
are dropping manure, which is the
incubator for pathogens and parasitic organisms, so we run the eggmobile
behind the cows three days later.
The flies lay eggs in the manure and larvae hatch. The chickens scratch
through the cow patties hunting larvae.
This spreading process actually triples the land area covered by the animal
manure, and it is balanced on the
soil - you don’t have an over-fertilized repugnancy spot. The chickens
effectively eat out the parasitic worms, so
there is no spending on systemic wormers and grubicides to kill the bugs in
the cows. We are harvesting
$15,000 per year on eggs as a byproduct of this pasture sanitation program.

These are the type of symbiotic, synergistic models we can create. The point
is that we need to think holistically.
We need to think about interrelationships and interconnections, as opposed
to the linear, reductionist,
straight-line thinking that dogs modern agriculture.






Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities InAgriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)

2002-08-20 Thread Patti Berg

I am getting the same thing. ATTACHMENT REMOVED.
Patti.

Allan Balliett wrote:

> First off, tech questions are best sent directly to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Next, the message you refer to was 19k in size and I received the full thing.
>
> How many others are getting this ATTACHMENT ... REMOVED message?
>
> -Allan
>
> >How do we get all these emails that are being stripped?
> >
> >Gil
> >
> >Robin Duchesneau wrote:
> >
> >>  ***> ATTACHMENT AUTOMATICALLY REMOVED! <**




Re: Taking another step.

2002-08-17 Thread Patti Berg



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Patti, I would say you should set up you storage for the preparations, a

> wooden box that will house some terra cotta pots and wet peat moss.  You
> should set up an associative contract with the Josephine Porter Institute for
> Applied Biodynamics [276]930-2463 and  tell them your acreage and get enough
> remedies for three acres to start.  When applied get the balance.  JPI  will
> walk you through what you need in the simplest terms.  SStorch

Thanks for the information although I don't understand what the terra cotta pots
and wet peat moss are for.  I'll call JPI next week.  Are you in Kentucky also?

Patti.










Re: Taking another step.

2002-08-17 Thread Patti Berg

Christy,

I'm really glad to hear there are organic farmers in South Central Kentucky.
Thanks for your information. I reviewed your website and am very interested in
what you're doing.  I'll be in Kentucky the last of September so I'll miss
your classes but I will make it a point to visit you when I get there.  I'm
preparing my home in Georgia to put up for sale so I'll still be here a little
while.  I'll be in touch.


Patti.


Christy Korrow wrote:

> Hi Patti,
>
> I am Christy Korrow, living in South Central KY, Burkesville, Cumberland
> County, near Dale Hollow Lake. August 28th and Sept 1st we are having
> biodynamic/ organic gardeing/ farming classes here on our BIODYNMAIC farm.
> Why don't you come to one? $35
> take a look at our web site www.theruralcenter.org for details and info
> about what we are up to.
> Then get in touch with me off list, and come visit, even if you can't come
> to the classes.
> Also Sept. 20-22 is the TN biodynamic Conference, which promises to be a
> great experience. Contact info also on web site!!
>
> The world wide web, yea right!
> Christy
> - Original Message -
> From: Patti Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: bdnow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:25 PM
> Subject: Taking another step.
>
> >
> > I have just graduated from being a back yard gardener on my little one
> > acre plot of land to something way over my head.  I am in the process of
> > purchasing 11.5 acres of land in Kentucky (currently growing alfalfa)
> > and feel overwhelmed for the moment as to where to start in turning this
> > land into a sustainable farm.  For the last five years I've toyed with
> > the idea of  having an organic farm and now that I've come this far I'm
> > not quite sure where to start to achieve a sustainable farm this size
> > but I do so want to learn.  Are there any organic farmers on this list
> > from south central Kentucky?
> >
> > I've been reading books by Gene Logsdon and Eliot Coleman but most of
> > this stuff I've never tried.  One thing I've learned from my garden is
> > that plants don't always turn out the same way you read about them.
> > Although I've had a very successful garden here in Georgia I couldn't
> > tell you why.  Has anyone ever written a book called Organic Farming for
> > Dummies?
> >
> > I've been the posts on this list but you all are way over my head.  I
> > learn best from hands on experience.  Is there a first step to learn
> > about biodynamics?  Could anyone tell me how you got started?
> >
> > Patti.
> >
> >
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Taking another step.

2002-08-16 Thread Patti Berg


I have just graduated from being a back yard gardener on my little one
acre plot of land to something way over my head.  I am in the process of
purchasing 11.5 acres of land in Kentucky (currently growing alfalfa)
and feel overwhelmed for the moment as to where to start in turning this
land into a sustainable farm.  For the last five years I've toyed with
the idea of  having an organic farm and now that I've come this far I'm
not quite sure where to start to achieve a sustainable farm this size
but I do so want to learn.  Are there any organic farmers on this list
from south central Kentucky?

I've been reading books by Gene Logsdon and Eliot Coleman but most of
this stuff I've never tried.  One thing I've learned from my garden is
that plants don't always turn out the same way you read about them.
Although I've had a very successful garden here in Georgia I couldn't
tell you why.  Has anyone ever written a book called Organic Farming for
Dummies?

I've been the posts on this list but you all are way over my head.  I
learn best from hands on experience.  Is there a first step to learn
about biodynamics?  Could anyone tell me how you got started?

Patti.













Re: FIRE-ANT ALARM

2002-08-01 Thread Patti Berg

What does "teres the rub" mean?

Patti.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 8/1/02 11:54:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << without any apparent danger to the
> rest of the ecosystem. >>
>
> teres the rub...SStorch




FIRE-ANT ALARM

2002-08-01 Thread Patti Berg

>From the 2002 Southern edition of the Old Farmers' Almanac:

FIRE-ANT ALARM

After years of trying to get rid of those nasty, sometimes-fatal fire
ants, scientists think they have a solution imported from Argentina.
The pinhead-size phorid fly, also known as the decapitating fly, injects
an egg into the ant and takes off.  The egg hatches into a maggot, which
slithers into the ant's head and feeds on juices there.  The rest--well,
you can imagine.  These flies are slowly infiltrating fire-ant
strongolds in seven southern states without any apparent danger to the
rest of the ecosystem.






Re: FW: [globalnews] Stop the Corporate Takeover of our Water

2002-07-28 Thread Patti Berg

Merla,

You are missing a very important principle by focusing on your feelings and that is
BALANCE.  You are not just a "feeling" individual.  You also have (I hope) the
ability to reason and a spiritual side of you.  When you become out of balance you
can become very depressed or violent as we see in many in our society today.  Keep
your reasoning ability and your faith.  If your faith fails you, seek for another
that won't.  Keep your mind as the window to your heart and your emotions to enjoy
the view or to motivate your reasoning.  If your emotions become the window to your
heart you're in for a roller coaster ride!

peace,
Patti Berg



Merla Barberie wrote:

> I'm in the process of trying to have good vibrations most of the time because of
> a book that was recommended to meÖExcuse Me, Your Life is Waiting by Lyn
> Grabhorn.  Her thesis is that you can only turn things around by maintaining
> strong positive FEELINGS, even in the face of all kinds of things happening that
> you don't want or when you want something which is seemingly impossible; that
> attacking these "don't want" issues just makes them worse and longing for
> something comes out of a "don't want" mentality too.  These feelings can draw to
> you the same negative vibrations from other people on the same and different
> issues.  I just started this and it is working, but I just had my first setback.
>
> Tonight around midnight I woke up with the most caustic fear around the issue of
> the fairbooth that I'm working on for the county fair.  The generator was
> running and I went outside and turned it off and took some of my St. Johnswort
> tincture and ate some cottage cheese.  I'm feeling better.
>
> The unreasoning fear is alienating people and being ostracized for critizing the
> present administration's ties to Monsanto and patenting of life.  I bought a
> video at the Global JAS conference which shows the implications--It starts out
> with pictures of bubbling hot springs at Yellowstone and saying that the
> microscopic creatures that live in the hot springs were going to be patented
> until there was an outcry.  It goes through the issues of the utility patent and
> seed breeding, through the patenting of indigenous people's medicines that have
> been developed over 100s of years and the patenting of cell lines from
> indigenous people's DNA.
>
> The theme of the fair is "Star spangled memories uniting Bonner County," which I
> take to imply a patriotic war theme which I am not in sympathy with at all.  The
> "united we stand" mentality is strong here and sometimes it gets to me,
> especially when some of my fellow organic growers are so much into silence on
> these issues and won't work in my booth.  It's hard to maintain my positive
> feelings and as tonightÖI wake up with a powerful, negative feeling that I have
> to turn around.  Butting heads with people of like mind gets to me a lot more
> than butting heads with someone who is my exact opposite.
>
> I knew that trying always to keep good vibrations would be hard, but when you
> backslide after a period of focusing on being positive, it is scary.
>
> Has anyone had experience with trying to maining continuous positive
> vibrations?  How has it worked for you?  For years I have been just facing pain,
> sadness, anger head-on and working through them, but such honesty makes it hard
> on your spouse and can put you at odds with other people too.  Trying always to
> keep good vibrations is a very different way of being, but I think it does draw
> people to you.  The idea of manifesting what you want with good feelings is
> brand new to me.  I gave up praying for anything personal that I wanted long ago
> and instead just worked for what I wanted.  That makes me a nag, and I'm always
> trying to accomplish some project.  Is it better to stiffle negative feelings,
> let a lot of things just go by and always try to feel appreciation for
> everything?   The two philosophies are at odds.  I find it hard to relax when
> there is so much work that needs to be done.  Is this the half-full, half-empty
> conundrum or is this a change of emphasis from accomplishing things by doing to
> accomplishing things simply by feeling good and staying plugged in to your
> Guidance?
>
> I think this question applies to what is happening in the world today that we
> are all thinking about all the time...how DO you turn it aroundóby having
> fairbooths about it in enemy territory or simply by having strong good feelings
> about how you would like things to be and enjoying life?
>
> Merla




Re: Need help with ants.

2002-04-25 Thread Patti Berg

Thanks, Rex.  I have plenty of ant hills to try this one too.
Patti.

Rex Tyler wrote:

> ants hate talcum powder it doesn't have to be expensive it knocks out their
> means of communication and an ant that can't communicate is one sick ant!
>
> Rex tyler
> - Original Message -
> From: "Patti Berg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Need help with ants.
>
> > Cheryl,
> > Thanks very much for your information. I'll try the coffee grinds on one
> the
> > ant hills and check out the archives.  I've got several nests coming up
> around
> > my place so I'll see what works in the next couple of weeks.  I appreciate
> your
> > help.
> >
> > Patti.
> >
> > Cheryl Kemp wrote:
> >
> > > C:\My Documents\Fire Ant Management - Pest Management Technical Note.htm
> > >
> > > Dear Patti,
> > > just found I had this stored away!  See if it helps - Steve Divers info
> is
> > > fantastic.
> > >
> > > We did have a discussion on BD Now a while ago - could be in the
> archives -
> > > and I remember that someone said that coffe grounds thrown on the heaps
> was
> > > helpful!
> > > Lets know what happens
> > > Best wishes
> > >
> > > Cheryl.
> > > Cheryl Kemp
> > > Education and Workshop Coordinator
> > > BDFGAA
> > > Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322
> > > Home: 02 6657 5306
> > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > web: www.biodynamics.net.au
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Patti Berg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "bdnow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 12:41 PM
> > > Subject: Need help with ants.
> > >
> > > > Hello everyone,
> > > > I have been enjoying the posts here since the first of April.  My name
> > > > is Patti and I've been gardening on just a half an acre for four years
> > > > and learning on my own.  I'm a bit lost right now though on how to
> solve
> > > > the same problem I have every year and one common to everyone in my
> > > > area.  In Georgia, where I live, we have fire ants who like to build
> > > > their homes in the most inconvenient places--like right around my
> > > > garden.  I've tried to eliminate them with cayenne pepper which works
> > > > after about four days but they only leave to start again a few feet
> > > > away.  Does anyone know how to rid an area of fire ants?
> > > >
> > > > Patti.
> > > >
> >
> >
> >




Re: Need help with ants.

2002-04-23 Thread Patti Berg

Cheryl,
Thanks very much for your information. I'll try the coffee grinds on one the
ant hills and check out the archives.  I've got several nests coming up around
my place so I'll see what works in the next couple of weeks.  I appreciate your
help.

Patti.

Cheryl Kemp wrote:

> C:\My Documents\Fire Ant Management - Pest Management Technical Note.htm
>
> Dear Patti,
> just found I had this stored away!  See if it helps - Steve Divers info is
> fantastic.
>
> We did have a discussion on BD Now a while ago - could be in the archives -
> and I remember that someone said that coffe grounds thrown on the heaps was
> helpful!
> Lets know what happens
> Best wishes
>
> Cheryl.
> Cheryl Kemp
> Education and Workshop Coordinator
> BDFGAA
> Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322
> Home: 02 6657 5306
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> web: www.biodynamics.net.au
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Patti Berg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "bdnow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 12:41 PM
> Subject: Need help with ants.
>
> > Hello everyone,
> > I have been enjoying the posts here since the first of April.  My name
> > is Patti and I've been gardening on just a half an acre for four years
> > and learning on my own.  I'm a bit lost right now though on how to solve
> > the same problem I have every year and one common to everyone in my
> > area.  In Georgia, where I live, we have fire ants who like to build
> > their homes in the most inconvenient places--like right around my
> > garden.  I've tried to eliminate them with cayenne pepper which works
> > after about four days but they only leave to start again a few feet
> > away.  Does anyone know how to rid an area of fire ants?
> >
> > Patti.
> >




Re: Need help with ants.

2002-04-23 Thread Patti Berg

Gil,
Thanks for the welcome and especially for all the info.  I will try them out
today.  This is a great place to get ideas and I appreciate that very much.
I'll let you all know how in a about a week how I'm doing on the fire ants.

Patti.

Gil Robertson wrote:

> Hi! Patti,
> Welcome to the list.
>
> I am in Port Lincoln, Australia and there are a lot of us from Oz and NZ on
> the list.
>
> For most ants, the easiest way is to use Borax. It is a white powder and
> sold in supermarkets in the same sort of area as Moth balls, Mentholated
> Spirits, Turps etc.
>
> Get a a small plastic container with a tight fitting lid. I use one about
> twice the size of match box, sold in sets of several in the plastics section
> of the super market. Make a couple of holes, big enough for the target ants,
> up quarter of inch or so from the bottom.
>
> Mix half a level tea spoon of Borax with about two or three of honey or jam.
> Place in the bottom of the container and seal. Place in an ant trail of the
> target specie.
>
> The ants will soon find it and take it home and eat it. It dehydrates the
> gut and kills them. The ant typically eats it's own dead, so the small
> amount of Borax will kill many ants. It generally takes four to ten days to
> wipe out an ant nest. Should another colony take over the same nest before
> the soil moisture dissipates the Borax, they will also use it. The small
> amount used is not a problem in the soil. The good thing about this method
> is that you can take out one target type of ant and leave other useful ones
> untouched.
>
> Gil




Need help with ants.

2002-04-21 Thread Patti Berg

Hello everyone,
I have been enjoying the posts here since the first of April.  My name
is Patti and I've been gardening on just a half an acre for four years
and learning on my own.  I'm a bit lost right now though on how to solve
the same problem I have every year and one common to everyone in my
area.  In Georgia, where I live, we have fire ants who like to build
their homes in the most inconvenient places--like right around my
garden.  I've tried to eliminate them with cayenne pepper which works
after about four days but they only leave to start again a few feet
away.  Does anyone know how to rid an area of fire ants?

Patti.