Re: [globalnews] Knapweed may hold key to creating effective,natural herbicide

[Perry Clutts]

Title: FW: [globalnews] Knapweed may hold key to creating effective, natural herbicide



Jane,
 
This can also be looked as a better long term plan for farmers 
transitioning away from chemical agriculture. It is difficult for our large 
scale agronomical systems to cut off chemicals abruptly... a non-synthetic 
chemical herbicide may help control weeds during the transition time.. 
and actually speed that transition if it allows more biological life to survive. 
As the author mentions... hope it spurs more research... 
 
maybe too optimistic, huh?
 
Perry

  (More reductionist research...JS)
  Knapweed may hold key to creating effective, natural herbicide 
  
  By Katherine Vogt, Associated Press DENVER — An invasive weed that has taken over vast swaths of 
  grazing land in the West may hold the key to creating an effective, natural 
  herbicide. 

Re: Searching BD Archives

[Perry Clutts]

Doug,
 
Try here...
http://www.mail-archive.com/bdnow%40envirolink.org/
 
Perry
 
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Re: Biodiesel/emergy

[Perry Clutts]

Fryer to the Fuel tank IS great! I hope to use recycled restaurant oil for 
our composing facility (Tractor).. this season? Never seems to be enough time 
for some projects. 
 
Seems I remember a section about efficiency of oil plants. Soy is one of 
the lowest, but still gets the attention here because we have so much 
soy that no one wants... especially the round-up ready (GMO) type... I 
guess what we need to watch and be aware of is how much energy does it take to 
produce these fuels. Anyone familiar with emergy? If all goes as well, 
we'll have an emergy analysis of this farm next year. Should be fun...
 
Emergy: (spelled with an "m")—all the available energy 
that was used in the work of making a product and expressed in units of one type 
of energy. [When you have your transformities worked out so 
that you know how much one kind of energy is worth in terms of every other, you 
can sum up in terms of one type of energy all the available energies used 
directly or indirectly to create something or to offer a service. That total is 
the emergy.]
 
So.. How much energy did it take to produce the energy 
that is being used for a given task!! 
 
Think what a good emergy scores algae would have!!! 
Closer to the sun energy force
 
Perry

   The best book I know of on this subject is from The 
  Fryer To The Fuel Tank by Joshua Tickle. The most efficient producer of 
  oil that could be used as biodiesel is actually Algae. It takes the Suns 
  energy directly and converts it to oil (in the process eating carbon 
  dioxide) and it could easily supply the worlds energy needs. As many other 
  things could...

Re: soybeans

[Perry Clutts]

>>>I wondered if the plants were good to dry for livestock feeds. 
She didnt' think so<<<
 
Martha,
 
I know farmers still make "bean hay" in the south, but don't see much up 
here in Ohio. All for seed...
 
Perry



This is from:
http://www.agron.iastate.edu/courses/agron212/Readings/Soy_history.htm

The earliest mention of soybeans in the U.S. 
lit­erature was in 1804. The authors mentioned that soybeans appeared to be 
well adapted to Pennsyl­vania soil. An 1879 report from the Rutgers 
Agri­cultural College in New Jersey is the first reference that soybeans had 
been tested in a scientific agri­cultural school in the United States. For 
many years, most of the references to this crop were by people working in 
eastern and southeastern United States where it was first popular. Most of the 
early U.S. soybeans were used as a forage crop rather than harvested for seed. 
Most of the early intro­ductions planted in these areas were obtained from 
China, Japan, India, Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan.
For many years, soybean acreage increased very slowly. 
There were only 1.8 million acres in the United States in 1924 when the first 
official esti­mate became available. At that time, most of the crop was used 
for hay. It was not until the 1920's that soybean acreage expanded to any great 
quan­tity in the U.S. Corn Belt.
Before World War II, the U.S. imported more than 40% of its 
edible fats and oils. Disruption of trade routes during the war resulted in a 
rapid expansion of soybean acreage in the U.S. as the country looked for 
alternatives to these imports. Soybean was one of only two major new crops 
introduced into the U.S. in the twentieth century. The other major crop, Canola 
was initially developed in Canada and grown on some U.S. acres by the end of 
2000. Soybean was successful as a new crop because there was an immediate need 
for soybean oil and meal, its culture was similar to corn, and it benefitted 
other crops in a rotation. 



 

Re: Perry's recnt posts

[Perry Clutts]

Hi,
Different in that I'm not using the bucket anymore... I'm using a large 
tank, making my own Barrel Compost to inoculate the "tea" along with the compost 
and trying to figure out how to use it on our whole farm, not just in the 
garden. 
 
Perry

  - You wrote, << I'm doing it 
  differently now, but with the same idea... of low cost. >> -- 
  different how if you'd care to detail?

Re: York back up, Other Soundfile News

[Perry Clutts]

Allan, 
 
I was logged on at 24 kbps and the initial buffer took about 5 min. 
before the sound started. It ran until 3:58 min of the 14 min clip. I waited and 
wrote a couple of notes, but need to go now, so I don't have time to let it 
continue to load. Anyhow.. the buffering time is longer than the play time... 
How about you Lloyd??? 'Bout the same? 
 
Perry
The 
  address for the York file is http://www.gardeningforthefuture.com Perry- 
  Let me know how this works out for you -Allan

Re: York back up, Other Soundfile News

[Perry Clutts]

Allan,
 
I don't see a York file at  http://www.ibiblio.org/biodynamics/
Is that where I should be looking?
 
Perry
I've 
  reformatted the Alan York interview. It should be MUCH easier to use now. 

Re: Perry's recnt posts

[Perry Clutts]

Hi,
***Perry, is there an equally simple way to get a digest form of the 
list emails?
 
Allan??? ... I don't know how digest works...*** What is an 
airstone?
 
It a manmade porous stone for aerating aquariums or tanks.
Check out www.aquaticeco.com there's everything 
you can imagine to do with air and they deliver.
I made a manifold out of pvc "T"'s and reducers. cheap
I'd start small and only invest what you are willing to walk away 
from... That's how I began a few years ago... With a 5 gallon bucket like on 
that site. I'm doing it differently now, but with the same idea... of low 
cost. 
 
Perry

Re: BD Now! Audio Files

[Perry Clutts]

Steve,
 
That is a great find and suggestion! It worked very well for me 
connected at 21.6!!! So the technologies exist to work with slow connection 
speeds... how do we find out how "they" did it? 
 
Perry
Fyi, 
  the PowerPoint can be viewed online The audio can be heard 

Re: NYT Article/Homemade Compost tea Machine

[Perry Clutts]

Hi Merla, 
 
Check out this site. 
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/airwaste/wm/recycle/Tea/tea1.htm
It gives good instructions  (w/ photos) on how to build a small tea 
machine... not really a machine, but a bucket bubbler. The instructions show a 
manifold and several hoses. I just use a long airstone that fits across the 
bottom of the 5 gallon bucket. If you use a larger container, I would suggest 
there be enough air to keep the compost moving around the container. Last year, 
for ingredients, I used compost, 500, 508, BC, molasses, and cooked whole grains 
(wheat). Remember, when designing a feeding program for the tea, less food can 
make better tea... so you only need to use very small amounts. I've got a copy 
of a biological assay from last summer I can send you if you like (do you 
have MS Excel on your computer?).
 
There are some machines that cost under 100 $US, but the 5 gal system is 
around 25$US.
 
Perry
 I'm 
  trying to get him to help me make a homemade compost tea machine and he thinks 
  he already knows everythingabout it without listening to me.  I love 
  him! Best, Merla 

BD NOW!! subscribe/unsubscribe

[Perry Clutts]

The BDNOW E-mail list is open to all. Subscribing is easy: simply sendan 
e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "subscribe BDNOW!!" in the Subjectfield. 
(I'll need your name and physical address in the Body of themessage, but it 
will be released to no one)
To unsubscribe from bdnow, simply send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 
put"unsubscribe BDNOW!!" in the Subject field.
This list is archived at:http://csf.colorado.edu/biodynamics/
However, I found this site that has a much better search
http://www.mail-archive.com/bdnow%40envirolink.org/
Perry

   
  Please, how can my e-mail address be taken off of your 
  listings?  
   

Re: Looking for a new CSA name

[Perry Clutts]

Allan,
elemental-food.com    is not 
taken.. too 
confusing?lifesupper.com    
availablesustainablesupper.com    
availablesustainablefeast.com   
availablelifefeast.com    
unavailablefeastforlife.com   
availablePerry
  >>elementalfood.com is taken (check it out, it's 
intrigueing.  >>Gosh, Sustainable Suppers comes to 
mind...  >>-Allan

RE: Monsanto submitted its petition for comm. of GE Wheat/ now Grass too

[Perry Clutts]

>>Monsanto submitted its petition for comm. of GE 
Wheat... Merla
 Hello all,
 
I wasn't able to participate in the GE wheat thread. I got this from the 
Pesticide Action Network last week on GE Grass. A shame that we need to use and 
rely on the courts to bring awareness and halt introduction of GE plants. I 
think GE Grass will have an even bigger impact on the environment than wheat 
since there is so much more of it However...  wheat will have huge long 
term impacts on wheat producers due to loss of markets from contamination.
 
Perry



> ===> P A N U P 
S> Pesticide Action Network Updates Service> 
===> USDA Sued to Stop GE 
Grasses>> January 15, 2003>> Recently, the United 
States Department of Agriculture (USDA) was sued overits failure to 
recognize the dangers associated with grasses geneticallyengineered to be 
resistant to herbicides. On January 8, 2003, theInternational Center for 
Technology Assessment (CTA) and the Center for FoodSafety sued USDA arguing 
that creeping bentgrass and Kentucky bluegrass,both of which are being 
engineered to resist Roundup (glyphosate), arealready serious problems in 
some natural areas and would become "superweeds" if herbicide resistance was 
built in. Monsanto, maker of Roundup, andScotts Company, a home garden and 
pesticide products company, have asked forUSDA approval to commercialize a 
genetically engineered (GE) variety ofcreeping bentgrass popular for golf 
course greens and commercial andresidential lawns.>> Once 
released into the environment, the herbicide tolerant grasses 
couldproliferate at will. Because gasses are wind-pollinated species with 
pollenthat blows for hundreds of yards, they hybridize easily. Some species' 
seedscan remain viable for 10 to 15 years. Turfgrasses are ubiquitous in and 
nearalmost every type of habitat in which the U.S. populace lives, works 
andplays, including an estimated 40,000,000 residential lawns and parks, 
atleast 40,000 athletic facilities, more than 17,000 golf courses, 
andcountless other landscapes where they have been planted or invaded on 
theirown.>> CTA's complaint termed the GE grasses "a unique, 
man-made form ofbiological pollution" with the potential to both out-compete 
native grassesand genetically pollute native vegetation. Concerned about the 
risks ofbiotech super weeds, CTA petitioned USDA in July 2002 to list 
geneticallyengineered varieties of these grasses as "noxious weeds." 
Instead, sincelast July, the agency has continued to allow open-field 
testing of theRoundup resistant grasses on approximately 100 acres in 15 
states.>> Turfgrass is the second largest seed market in the 
United States afterhybrid corn, with annual sales estimated between US$580 
million and US$1.2billion. The U.S. turfgrass seed export market amounts to 
US$70 million peryear. Scotts Company executives are reported to believe the 
eventual marketfor GE lawn products will reach US$10 
billion.>> Prominent organizations including the American Society 
of LandscapeArchitects (more than 14,000 members nationally), the Foundation 
on EconomicTrends and The Nature Conservancy (the largest holder of private 
landpreserves in the world) have also submitted comments to USDA urging 
amoratorium on release of GE turfgrasses.>> "Biotech grasses 
represent a very real environmental and economic threatto communities and 
natural areas throughout the country," said CTA ExecutiveDirector Andrew 
Kimbrell. "Going to court was the only way to ensure thatthese "'super 
weeds" are not released into our neighborhoods.">> According to 
CTA, beyond their impacts as weeds, other potential impactsof GE herbicide 
resistant grass include:>> ** increased glyphosate use, misuse, 
and resultant foreseeable chemicalpollution, damage and injuries; the very 
purpose of the product being toallow turfgrass managers and landowners of 
all types to spray more Roundupweed killer on a broadcast rather than a spot 
basis;>> ** increased glyphosate resistance in weeds such that 
they will be moreharmful in the future; as more and more glyphosate is 
sprayed the selectionpressure on weeds to develop resistance will increase 
(see PANUPS, 12/20/02http://www.panna.org/resources/panups/panup_20021220.dv.html 
);>> ** economic harm due to genetic contamination of fields of 
non-GEturfgrasses intended for conventional markets, and the necessity for 
theimpacted turfgrass farmers to use more expensive, environmentally 
damaging,and even more dangerous herbicides instead of glyphosate to kill 
GEinfestations; and>> ** economic harm to organic farmers near 
any GE grass plantings because ofthe increased presence of adventitious GE 
materials in their crops and thepotential for increased herbicide 
contamination, both of which are rejectedby premium markets for organic 
products.>> Sources: Press Release, International Center for 
Technology Assessment &the Center for food 

Re: BD Now! Audio Files

[Perry Clutts]

Allan,
 
The settings on Real Player go as low as 28.8... however, I usually 
log on at 24.. sometimes getting to 26.4 if I'm lucky!!! I did see a toggle 
that will allow the whole file to download before playing. I'll give that a try 
tomorrow. That would at least be a better way to hear it without 
distraction. I'll write Real and get their suggestions for slow connections 
too.
 
Perry
internal 
  settings in the Real Audio player will make it effective with connections as 
  slow as 48k.And, if the above fails, howabout one or the other of you 
  contacting Real Audio to see if we can find a 
solution.

Re: BD Now! Audio Files

[Perry Clutts]

Allan,
 
I've got a tape of Fred Kirschenmann at the IFOAM conf. last summer. Let me 
know if you'd like it. 
 
My connection is slow, so they are hard to listen to since it keeps 
stopping to reload. I reset the buffering time to a longer time, and that helps, 
but that just makes it longer when it does stop... Anyone else having 
trouble listening or is it me... Is there a way to save the file? I thought I 
could right click - "Save target as", but it only saves the link and then 
reloads to RealPlayer to open. 
 
Perry 


 
>>Wow, Allen!  
 
>>> I made a call for other people's tapes and have received 
to replies.>>> Let me know, ok? We'll count lurkers in this poll 
also.

Re: CSA Tx

[Perry Clutts]

Flylo,
 
>>I just didn't know quite how to tap into this large pool of hungry 
Houstonians. Nor, do I think I'm ready to do so this season.<<
 
Sounds like you've got a great resource of customers via 
your cousin. It's always easier for me to approach someone that I have any 
kind of connection to. Maybe you could get 5.. even 2 of your cousins co-workers 
that would want to buy from you this year on a limited scale... It would give 
you the chance to see if you like working with families... and  help you 
understand more of how the season works and what will be available when. I'm 
sure much of the learning process will only come with experience!!! 

>>So, whether they would acknowledge or respect the fact 
they're helping maintain a family farmstead, as long as it's to their advantage, 
they're interested.<<
 
They may not even know that subscribing to a CSA could 
help maintain a family farmstead... or that respect for farmers or food is due. 
I generally don't see that we have those values in our culture. Working 
with these families could help broaden their knowledge of what being 
"health-conscious" is
 
I convinced my sister to sign up for an organic year 
round buying club. She lives in Greensboro, NC. There is a grower in Linwood 
(about 30 miles away) that has a CSA in the summer, but also supplements with 
produce from COG (Carolina Organic Growers). COG was established in 1992 to help 
farmers in North and South Carolina market products. I do not know how things 
are going for them as far as how the business is going, but.. they are still in 
business and today that says something. From what I remember of a workshop I 
attended a few years ago.. their main route is Asheville to Wilmington 
(mountains to coast) via I-40. That passes right by Greensboro and the Piedmont 
Triad Farmers Market. 
 
The CSA, my sister joined, has the option of only 
getting a CSA share or participating in the buying club. I think membership is 
$20. You need to order (fax or e-mail) by Sunday for a Thursday or Friday 
pick-up from the PT Farmers Market, or home delivery for an extra $5/week. The 
list is incredible!!! COG's mission is to help farmers in North and South 
Carolina (regional) but, they do have things that are obviously not local or 
regional.. bananas for instance. I would like to see better labeling on these 
products as to where they are coming from, but it's not my deal. The buying 
sheet she got was for November and December. 
I can not comment on service as she has just joined, I'll 
let you know in a few weeks.
 
Perry

Calcium chloride

[Perry Clutts]

I checked the OMRI book this morning (Organic Materials Review Institute, 
www.omri.org) . Looks like calcium chloride is 
allowable.
It has an "R" status, meaning "materials may be used on certified organic 
land and crops only with certain restrictions or limitations". It's class is "F" 
for fertilizer and "cpa" for "crop production aid". The annotation reads 
"Nonsynthetic sources only". 
 
This company is listed to sell it...
 
Bio-Guard Agronomics ICN
www.calcium25.com (sorry.. 
coming soon)
Falls Church, VA
800 673-8502
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
They have 5 difference products listed... for fruit trees, field corn, 
grains, veggies, wheat and rice.
 
Don't mean this to be an endorsement.. sorry Allan if listing a company is 
inappropriate... just thought someone might have time to check it out 
further oh.. and he's practically a neighbor of yours...
 
Perry

  He said it could be 
  used in certified organic farms in the 
U.S.

Re: fad?

[Perry Clutts]

>>My point: popular acceptance doesn't necessarily bring financial 
security to essence practitioners.<<
 
Exactly. This is why there needs to be 
conviction in the heart of the consumer to know why they want local food 
that is grown in a way that's good for the environment, that's good for the 
local economy, and that's good for the well-being of the local farmer! Lessons 
to be leearned from history, and I like the herbal story. Much the same is 
happenign with organic now. Who knows where it will lead...???  

 
Perry

Re: Allan, you old sneak!

[Perry Clutts]

Where's the group? 
 
Perry
>Allan, 
  when did you join Homesteader's Work group?Ahh, come on, Martha, you 
  know, wherever two or more are 
gathered..

Re: fad?

[Perry Clutts]

>> "Good 
taste & good heath is never a fad."<<
 
This is a great motto...!!! What I should have 
said is I worry about how long the general population can hold interest in 
anything!!! Grants are great if they can be used to make a change that will 
continue to have an impact after the money is gone. 
 
We have the first big meeting on Tuesday 
which will bring all the players of the foodshed project together for the first 
time.  This has all be done, up to now, in smaller working groups. Should 
be interesting to see how well this group can work together and make that 
lasting change!!
 
Perry

Re: FRESH AND LOCAL

[Perry Clutts]

>>This may not sit with some people well 
>>Many thanks Perry,>>Pat
 
You're welcome Pat... I've sent the 
outline.
 
I am also used to having things I believe in not 
sit well with those that I work with. And it looks like you have some of the same folks interested 
in your dream. Several things have been mentioned in recent posts that I 
think pertain to projects such as these. Markess re-sent part of the 
Vandana Shiva interview that spoke of detachment. I can relate to this... 
Burn-out is easy when you become too close to a project or when others do 
not see what you can see clearly.  Hugh L. just mentioned to Merla about 
Jimmy Carter's style of "appreciate his good 
points and simply acknowledge his short comings". 
These are great things to think about when working with agencies and people that 
you have partnered with. There are lots of great ideas and projects being 
developed, but I feel that one of the biggest hurdles will be changing the 
philosophy of how and why people make the food buying choices they do. Today, 
trends are more important than conviction. While the Head Start garden 
initiatives will not directly help established local growers directly, Allan, 
they will indirectly help as these gardens are successful and are publicized... 
hopefully other stakeholders within the foodshed will want to buy locally 
and receive the same fresh locally produced food. And yep!! this could very well 
be a fad too!!! We do not have all the answers... but hopefully we can learn and 
be able to help others see that there are better ways of growing food than 
the conventional system! Change will likely be slow unless something or someone 
helps it along as Hugh just mentioned...
 
Perry

FRESH AND LOCAL

[Perry Clutts]

>>So is it possible for "Local and Fresh"? My answer is a resounding 
YES!!!>>Pat  
 
Pat,
Your enthusiasm is GREAT!!! This what we're  
working on here... I also have a word file with the project description, goals 
and activities. Let me know if you'd like to read it. I'd appreciate anything 
you have to share Pat.
 
This was written for Simply Living 
magazine.
 
Perry 



The Greater Columbus Foodshed Project
By
Noreen Warnock
(With assistance from Laura Ann Bergman and Shannon Kishel)
 
A 58-year- old farmer contemplates, "Who will be the next person to farm 
these fields? How will they deal with increasing land prices and other expenses 
to keep the farm in business?" Not thirty miles away, in Columbus, a single 
mother with two children, sits at the kitchen table and wonders, "How can I 
stretch my paycheck even further to buy food? How can I keep my 15-year-old 
daughter off the streets and gainfully employed?"
Low-income rural and urban households, though living in "separate worlds," 
face similar challenges. Youth, often considered a community’s greatest wealth, 
are exported. Many members of low-income families in Columbus and of farm 
communities near Columbus are among the working poor, are generally underserved, 
and are suffering from insufficient opportunities to get ahead. The 58-year-old farmer and the single mother have another 
poignant link -- the food they eat. It is a common bond that can be built upon 
to create opportunities for individuals and to help build sustainable 
communities.
In order to help forge these opportunities and common bonds, a coalition of 
Ohio Citizen Action, Innovative Farmers of Ohio, Stratford Ecological Center, 
Ohio Ecological Food and Farm Association, and Denison University, in 
partnership with Head Start, Perry Clutts of Pleasantview Farm, Franklin Park 
Conservatory, and Ohio State University, recently received a USDA Community Food 
Security grant. The $200,000 grant is to be used for the first phase of The 
Greater Columbus Foodshed* Project. In this phase, the Project will focus on 
working with farmers and Head Start families. 
Over the next 2-1/2 years, 27 community gardens will be established with Head 
Start families. The grant will enable the coalition and its partners to develop 
nutrition materials and cooking classes and outfit a local Food Wagon to provide 
educational programs and locally grown food for inner city neighborhoods. The 
Food Wagon will also transport urban youth to local farms. Designing and 
implementing a Beginning Farmer Program that teaches interested inner city youth 
about urban and rural farming opportunities is another part of the project. The 
coalition will be establishing a local Foodshed Council for the greater Columbus 
region.
The work to be covered in this grant is one piece in a complex and beautiful 
"foodshed quilt." Other pieces will include such things as a Buy Local Foods 
Campaign that could be implemented at Ohio State University, local public 
schools, and other institutions; school garden projects; establishing an 
incubator kitchen for developing products from local foods; a local foods 
festival; and workshops on entrepreneurial opportunities related to a healthy 
and vibrant local foods system. 
Securing a local food system for Central Ohio is a complex task, but the USDA 
grant gives the Greater Columbus Foodshed the ability to start in a meaningful 
and significant way. 

  The term "foodshed," borrowed from the concept of a watershed, was coined 
  as early as 1929 to describe the flow of food from the area where it is grown 
  into the place where it is consumed. Recently, the term has been revived as a 
  way of looking at and thinking about local, sustainable food systems. 
  (Wisconsin Foodshed Research Project).
 
HOW YOU CAN GET INVOLVED
The Foodshed Council will provide a meeting place where representatives of 
the community can come together to survey the assets of our food system. The 
assets we will be looking at include everything related to food production, 
distribution, consumption, and waste management. The Council will then develop 
local programs and policies that build on these assets. A diverse membership 
will be required to make the Council a success. Representatives from urban and 
rural communities such as organic and conventional farmers, local elected 
officials, economic development experts, corporate leaders, community garden 
coordinators, nutritionists, parents, etc. will be sought to join the Foodshed 
Council.

If you are interested in joining the Council or in working on any other 
project covered by the USDA grant, please call Noreen Warnock, Environmental 
Campaigns Director, Ohio Citizen Action, at 614-447-2868.

Noreen Warnock is the Environmental Campaigns Director for Ohio Citizen 
Action. Laura Ann Bergman is the Director of Innovative Farmers of Ohio. Shann

Re: Applied Biodynamics On-line

[Perry Clutts]

Allan,
 
Wanda replies quickly from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (new 
e-mail address). I always ask her to pass it on to Hugh, she'll write back or I 
call a day or so later... I don't use the phone much either...
 
Perry
 
p.s. Hope your foot is continuing its speedy 
recovery!!
tell 
  the staff there that FAX is now pretty much obsolete 
-Allan

Re: VITICULTURE WOrKSHOP

[Perry Clutts]

>>I'm VERY curious.<<
 
Allan, 
 
Just got this as I was leaving... 
Perry



Mark Chein wrote:
 
Perry, No info yet to share.  Its all coming together.  
I'll put you on the mailing list and you will be among the first to hear about 
it.  Thanks for your interest.  Mark

Macari Vineyard

[Perry Clutts]

Hello Steve,
 
Macari Vineyard is the one you're working 
with...??? Looks like quite a place (http://www.macariwines.com). On the 
(virtual) tour I saw their compost site. Looks like they have a Sandberger 
(perhaps Dura-tech) compost turner. Are you helping with that? I'd be interested 
in hearing how that's going.
 
Perry

  speaking about my work at Macari Vineyard.  
  I agreed.  SStorch

Re: VITICULTURE WOrKSHOP

[Perry Clutts]

Allan,
The site was just FYI in case you'd like to sign 
up for the NC Wine and Grape Industry newsletter. It's general info on wine and 
grapes in the state. Never seen anything on Biodynamics or even organic. The 
part about BD was just in the announcement I pasted in the last e-mail 
body. I wrote the contact at Penn State and will post his reply. Maybe you'd 
like also to write him to show the interest!!!  
 
About grapes in North Carolina. I had heard 
about transition money going to help tobacco 
farmers transition to organic production. I've also read about how grapes 
have really been taking off in NC ( 25 wineries, 13th in the nation in growing 
grapes, 430 acres in 1995 to 1,100 acres now). I put these too together and 
figured that these are organic vineyards... How naive. I've not been able 
to find any. How about Virginia? Seems like great potential for BD. How is 
your plan going? 
 
This is all there was in the newsletter: 


ALTERNATIVE VITICULTURE MEETING IN PENNSYLVANIAA meeting to discuss 
alternative viticulture will be offered by Penn State Cooperative Extension of 
Lancaster, Pennsylvania, on January 28 and 29, 2003. This is a day and a half 
meeting, which will be held at the Spring Garden Conference Center in 
Middletown, PA, just east of Harrisburg. The cost will be approximately $100 per 
person for both days, which includes coffee, continental breakfast, drinks and 
snacks on both days, and lunch on the first day. A list of motels and 
restaurants in the area list will be provided with registration materials. For 
more information and registration, please contact Mark Chien at 717 394-6851 or 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]. The goal of the meeting is to 
bring perspective and information to the often fuzzy realm of non-conventional 
commercial viticulture, including sustainable, organic and biodynamic methods. 


 I 
  went to the site and couldn't find any reference to biodynamics (this is the 
  NC site I'm referring to.)How (or Who?) is biodynamics 
  involved??I'm VERY curious.

VITICULTURE WOrKSHOP

[Perry Clutts]

Allan and others interested in 
grapes,
 
Do you know about this workshop? Extension 
and Biodynamics giving a workshop... I'll be interested in this and will let you 
know what I hear.
 
Perry



 
ALTERNATIVE VITICULTURE MEETING IN PENNSYLVANIAA meeting to discuss 
alternative viticulture will be offered by Penn State Cooperative Extension of 
Lancaster, Pennsylvania, on January 28 and 29, 2003. This is a day and a half 
meeting, which will be held at the Spring Garden Conference Center in 
Middletown, PA, just east of Harrisburg. The cost will be approximately $100 per 
person for both days, which includes coffee, continental breakfast, drinks and 
snacks on both days, and lunch on the first day. A list of motels and 
restaurants in the area list will be provided with registration materials. For 
more information and registration, please contact Mark Chien at 717 394-6851 or 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]. The goal of the meeting is to 
bring perspective and information to the often fuzzy realm of non-conventional 
commercial viticulture, including sustainable, organic and biodynamic 
methods.
 
This came as an announcement from the NC Wine & Grape - News for 
the Industry
sign up for monthly e-newsletter:
http://www.ncwine.org/newsletter/mail.asp

Re: Loss and Rebirth-the value of a healthy school lunch program

[Perry Clutts]

I found the original article at this site. The authors 
name is Jon Rappoport. 
http://www.stratiawire.com/article.asp?id=655
 
What is your thesis on? Good luck!!!
 
Perry

  Can someone give a 
  citation for this article?  I am ateacher and would like to include 
  it in my 
  thesisresearch.Thanks!>  
  A MIRACLE IN WISCONSIN - Attributed to Good > 
Food!

Re: Oct. Conf.

[Perry Clutts]

HAWTHORNE VALLEY FARM
http://www.hawthornevalleyfarm.com/
 
A diversified Biodynamic farmlocated in mid-upstate New 
York.
 
Hawthorne Valley Farm cheese is sometimes sold through mail 
order (call for availability)
327 Rt. 21C, Ghent, NY 12075(518) 672-7500 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Allan Balliett 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:13 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Oct. Conf.
  >In a message dated 9/24/02 8:19:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:>><< Can 
  someone recommend a good source of BD/organic CHEESE in quantity>that 
  can be UPS'd to Virginia before next Friday? What 
  about Hawthorne Valley???  sswell, right, but how to get hold of 
  them?

Re: Cover crop/science

[Perry Clutts]

Hi Allan,
 
I don't get the Michael Fields newsletter, so I'm 
not sure how they present themselves there. My experience of MFI has been with 
Walter Goldstein and several conversations about research afterwards. I thought 
him to be a scientist trying to find a way for science to understand what 
is going on with Biodynamics... this is from their web page: (http://www.michaelfieldsaginst.org/biodynamics.htm):
 
With nature as its teacher, biodynamics offers a new scientific 
perspective to agricultural production. It recognizes the vital importance of 
relationships - of nutrient to soil, soil to plant, plant to soil, plant to 
plant - in a systematic study that seeks balance and integration.
 
Perry
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Allan Balliett 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:49 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Cover crop
  >Mike,>>Forgot to mention that Michael Fields 
  Institute is devoted to >Biodynamic research.>http://www.michaelfieldsaginst.org/That's 
  funny. I don't remember seeing any mention of biodynamics in their recent 
  mailings! -Allan

Re: Cover crop

[Perry Clutts]

Mike, 
 
Forgot to mention that Michael Fields Institute 
is devoted to Biodynamic research. 
http://www.michaelfieldsaginst.org/

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mike 
  Bosko 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:43 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Cover crop
  At 08:13 PM 9/18/2002 -0400, you wrote:>In a message 
  dated 9/18/02 7:18:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:>><< Which too, last year both germinated and grew, 
  I'm just not sure if>the inoculant lived through the dry spell tho 
  (dang it).>>Any one have any thoughts on that btw 
  use 500 and 
bc..sstorchhuh?

Re: Cover crop

[Perry Clutts]

Mike,
 
You're on the Biodynamic list that Allan asked 
you to join earlier today via SANET... sstorch 
is referring to the "stuff" in the cow horns that Clarence was saying 
is obfuscation, alchemy, and smoke and mirrors. 
With all due respect, should you elect to cut off cow horns, stuff them 
with cow manure and herbs, bury them with the proper alignment of the cosmic 
forces, dance naked in the moonlight, wait the appropriate number of months, dig 
up the mixture, sell most for 9.00 a tablespoon to unsuspecting rubes, then 
mix  the remaining tablespoon with umpteen gallons of water and spray the 
stuff over your acreage then please feel free to do so in lieu of any 
recognized, replicatable scientific process. 
 
Well, some of what he said is true, but some is 
not. It is however, given the tone and a few incorrect statements, he has 
no knowledge of Biodynamics. To learn more about what Biodynamics 
is, I'd suggest starting with this site that 
has some great background info and a intro course on-line. 
http://oregonbd.org/
 
 You mentioned alternative methods and 
research, and in Biodynaimics there isn't too much to read in 
English.  As Steve Diver mentioned, most BD farmers are already doing the 
work, not waiting for research. Given your holistic approach with the animals, 
BD might be a method that you would find compatible to how you think of 
things.
 
Perry
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Mike 
  Bosko 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:43 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Cover crop
  At 08:13 PM 9/18/2002 -0400, you wrote:>In a message 
  dated 9/18/02 7:18:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:>><< Which too, last year both germinated and grew, 
  I'm just not sure if>the inoculant lived through the dry spell tho 
  (dang it).>>Any one have any thoughts on that btw 
  use 500 and 
bc..sstorchhuh?

Re: BD Viticulature Quotes wanted

[Perry Clutts]

You may want to talk to Andrew Lorand. I don't 
know much of him, except that I met him on a vineyard/winery tour in B.C. as 
part of the IFOAM conf.  Long time (longer than  my 2 years of 
exposure) B-er's may know him as farmer at Kimberton(?). He is consulting 
BD vineyards in northern CA now.
 
i[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.andrewlorand.com
 
Perry

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Allan Balliett 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:42 
  AM
  Subject: BD Viticulature Quotes 
  wanted
  If you have any of those choice quotes about the high quality 
  of BD wine grapes like Robert Parker was kicking around 10 years ago, 
  please pass them to me. I'm working to pump up interest in biodynamic 
  viticulture in this 
area.Thanks-Allan

Re: Reception problem, Kirschenmann's speech again

[Perry Clutts]

Merla,
I'm not sure about Mac and Netscape.  I did, however I did copy and paste my
message from a MS Word document. Could be a problem. Now, I saved it to a
text file and have sent this as plain text instead of rich text. Hope this
helps, let us know. Your reading method does sound like too much work...

Sharon,
The lost message wasn't a message from Fred K. himself, only my notes of a
speech he gave last week.

Perry

-

I had the opportunity to go to the 2002 International Federation of Organic
Movements (IFOAM) Conference and general assembly. It was the 30th
anniversary and was attended by 1,300 people from 93 countries.  There was
so much to hear and see... I'm remembering more each day, I'm sure much will
be lost... however, something that's still clear is the address given by
Fred Kirschenmann. I'll post the main points... paraphrased and some direct
quotes... (but not exact I'm sure)


Building Communities from the Ground Up - Fred Kirschenmann

This conference is the first time IFOAM has used the term "Community" as a
way in describing itself.  The history of organic agriculture began in the
1840's when Justus von Liebig gave us the ability to ignore the "Rule of
Return". Rule of return being, everything that comes from the soil must
return to the soil. Ignoring this rule began the industrialization of
agriculture. And at this point began the organic movement. Some folks knew
instinctively that abandoning this rule was not the way to go.

So, the history of the Organic Movement grew out of a philosophy that we
should use Nature as the Mentor, Teacher, and Measurer.  More recently came
the Organic Industry (last 25 years of the 20th century), which is based in
selling product and staying within the confines in a set of rules. Now, we
have tension between these two sectors. This is why it is important to move
to the next level... the Organic Community.

So, what do we do we want to be? Where should we direct our energy?
Do we protect our Values and beliefs... and stay a movement?
Do we push for bigger sales and making Organic the predominant food source -
and stay an industry?
Or do we develop relationships - and become a community?
OR
Do we do all three?
Each of these groups has its differences, but one thing common to each is we
are all members of the Biotic Community.

Community is from the Latin word Communis, which means in common. So, what
do these groups have in common? We share the same "Biotic Community", we all
participate in the same web of life, that makes it possible to survive on
the planet. Better yet, we are interested in creating a new Food Culture. We
don't' want to become just another industry that brings food to the table,
with the same food chain and distribution systems. We're talking about a
different way of treating farmers - a different way of bringing food from
the soil to the table and back to the soil in a way that not only benefits
the human community, but benefits all of the Web of Life of which we are
part.

What will need to happen in order for us to build this community? We will
need to make (at least) 8 fundamental changes in the way we participate.

1. Relationship to nature will change.
We will move from Conquer to plain Citizen. We won't conquer nature, but
become a part of it.
a) Move from control management to adaptive management. Therapeutic
intervention does not work. (i.e.) I have a problem pest, how do I get ride
of it? This thinking is flawed, we should be asking Why is a pest a pest?
And, What am I doing wrong that makes this pest a pest?
b) We should also realize that we are not preservationists of the
environment. Our biotic community is constantly changing, and if it did not
change, there would be no environment. SO, from microbes up, we are all
changing our environment to meet our specific needs, and in doing so we are
destroying a part of the environment. We can not preserve the environment,
but we can be fellow modifiers, in a way that respects the Biotic Community.

2. Take Responsibility for the health of the land.
Anything we do must contribute to the health of the Biotic Community.
3. Concept of Science will Change.
We must change from science that creates technological innovations to solve
human problems to Science that has a Conversation with Nature. Science needs
to be a question put to Nature. Got a problem? What does Nature have to say
about your solution? How will it respond? What will happen to the entire
Biotic Community when you introduce this technology? And, we must wait to
hear the answer, BEFORE we introduce the technology in a widespread
manner!!!

4. Concept of an Organic Farm will Change.
Change from an "Enclave of Purity" to a "Habitat within an Ecosystem".
We may think of our organic farms as being pure within our land borders, but
nature has no walls. We need the Biotic Community outside our bor

Kirschenmann at IFOAM

[Perry Clutts]

I had the opportunity to go to the 2002 International Federation of Organic 
Movements (IFOAM) Conference and general assembly. It was the 30 year 
anniversary and was attended by 1,300 people from 93 countries. There was so 
much to hear and see… I’m remembering more each day, I’m sure much will be 
lost... however, something that’s still clear is the address given by Fred 
Kirschenmann. I’ll write the way I interpreted… paraphrased and some direct 
quotes… (but not exact I’m sure)
Perry
Building Communities from the Ground Up – Fred 
Kirschenmann
This conference is the first time IFOAM has used the term "Community" as a 
way in describing itself. The history of organic agriculture began in the 1840’s 
when Justus von Liebig gave us the ability to ignore the "Rule of Return". Rule 
of return being, everything that comes from the soil must return to the soil. 
Ignoring this rule began the industrialization of agriculture. And at this point 
the organic movement began . Some folks knew instinctively that abandoning this 
rule was not the way to go. 
So, the history of the Organic Movement grew out of a philosophy that we 
should use Nature as the Mentor, Teacher, and Measurer. More recently came the 
Organic Industry (last 25 years of the 20th century), which is based 
in selling product and staying within the confines in a set of rules. Now, we 
have tension between these two sectors. This is why it is important to move to 
the next level… the Organic Community.
So, what do we do we want to be? Where should we direct our energy?
Do we protect our Values and beliefs… and stay a movement?
Do we push for bigger sales and making Organic the predominant food source – 
and stay an industry?
Or do we develop relationships – and become a community?
OR
Do we do all three?
Each of these groups has its differences, but one thing common to each is we 
are all members of the Biotic Community. 
Community is from the Latin word Communis, which means in common. So, what do 
these groups have in common? We share this  "Biotic 
Community", we all participate in the same web of life, that makes it 
possible to survive on the planet. Better yet, we are interested in creating a 
new Food Culture. We don’t’ want to become just another 
industry that brings food to the table, with the same food chain and 
distribution systems. We’re talking about a different way of treating farmers – 
a different way of bringing food from the soil to the table and back to the soil 
in a way that not only benefits the human community, but benefits all of the 
Web of Life of which we are part. 
What will need to happen in order for us to build this community? We will 
need to make (at least) 8 fundamental changes in the way we participate.

  Relationship to nature will change. 

We will move from Conquer to plain Citizen. We won’t conquer nature, but 
become a part of it. 

  Move from control management to adaptive management. 
  Therapeutic intervention does not work. (i.e.) I have a problem pest, how do I 
  get ride of it? This thinking is flawed, we should be asking Why is a pest 
  a pest? And, What am I doing wrong that makes this pest a pest? 
  We should also realize that we are not preservationists of the 
  environment. Our biotic community is constantly changing, and if it did not 
  change, there would be no environment. SO, from microbes up, we are all 
  changing our environment to meet our specific needs, and in doing so we are 
  destroying a part of the environment. We can not preserve the environment, but 
  we can be fellow modifiers, in a way that respects the Biotic 
  Community.

  Take Responsibility for the health of the land. 
  Anything we do must contribute to the health of the Biotic 
  Community.
  Concept of Science will Change.

We must change from science that creates technological innovations to solve 
human problems to Science that has a Conversation with Nature. 
Science needs to be a question put to Nature. Got a problem? What does Nature 
have to say about your solution? How will it respond? What will happen to the 
entire Biotic Community when you introduce this technology? And, 
we must wait to hear the answer, BEFORE we introduce the technology in a 
widespread manner!!!

  Concept of an Organic Farm will Change. 
  Change from an "Enclave of Purity" to a "Habitat within an Ecosystem".
  We may think of our organic farms as being pure within our land borders, 
  but nature has no walls. We need the Biotic Community outside our borders as 
  much, if not more, than we need the Biotic Community within our 
  walls.
  Facilitating Sustainable Agriculture – Roling, Wagemakers
  "Ecologically sound agriculture requires change, not only at the farm gate 
  level, but also at the higher Agro-Ecosystem level such as Watershed, 
  biotopes, and landscapes. Not only at the level of farm households, but at the 
  level of institutions in which it is embedded."
  We must think of our organic communities beyond the 

Re: Taking another step.

[Perry Clutts]

Patti,
 
I have a pdf copy of "How to Establish 
Goals: A Group Project for Farmers and Their Families".  This 18 page 
workbook helps organize priorities. Main points being Goal Setting, Quality of 
Life, Wealth, Vision, Values and Beliefs. I think a helpful exercise, farmer or 
not...
 
Perry
Let me know if you'd like a copy, it's 
480kb.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Patti Berg 
  
  To: bdnow 
  Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:25 
  PM
  Subject: Taking another step.
  I have just graduated from being a back yard gardener and 
  feel overwhelmed.

Re: Taking another step.

[Perry Clutts]

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Re: request for Dr. Pfeiffer info.

[Perry Clutts]

Stephen,
 
I do not have any information that would help 
you, but I would like to read this if you are sending it out!!! I have friends 
from Guatemala that were able to attend the JPI prep making session spring 2000. 
I'm sure they would be interested in reading this too. 
 
I know Hugh C. at JPI has much of Pfeiffer's 
physical equipment and probably has much knowledge too.
 
Thanks,
Perry

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  SRC 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 7:54 
  PM
  Subject: request for Dr. Pfeiffer 
  info.
  Dear All:I have in my possession, and available as 
  digital attachment, a transcriptof a lecture given by Dr. Ehrenfried 
  Pfeiffer, BD magus, concerning histime spent in Mexico and Guatemala in 
  the 1950's.  In it he addresses thedeep background of Mesoamerican 
  spirituality; it is quite fascinating, andis most defenitely not a rehash 
  of Steiner's comments, although they doilluminate them.I lack all 
  contextual information, not only about Dr. Pfeiffer's interestin such 
  matters, but also about his work which took him to Mexico in thefirst 
  place, although I surmise that it might have been in 1956.If anyone 
  can help me fill in the blanks on this episode in Dr. Pfeiffer'slife and 
  work, I would most greatly appreciate it.Tham man who transcribed the 
  lecture from a poor-quality tape recording,Dean Rachel of B. C., Canada, 
  tells me that a Ted Ormistons and a PeterAsher have some connection with 
  this material, and Dr. Pfeiffer himselfmentions a Dr. Knauer in his 
  comments.I am doing a great deal of research in this area and am 
  trying to find outmore!Tanx,Stephen 
  Clarke    =Just cooperate and everything 
  will be OK: The Authorities Only the small secrets need to be 
  protected. The bigones are kept secret by public 
  incredulity.    Marshall McLuhanIn theory, there is no 
  difference between theory and practice, but in practice, there 
  is.__Do You 
  Yahoo!?Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live betterhttp://health.yahoo.com

Re: Peppermint Essential Oil

[Perry Clutts]

Essie and others,
 
Where did you learn about using oils for your 
bees?  What other treatments and practices are being used by BD bee 
keepers?
 
Perry

   I use essential oils (in 
  small amounts) in sprays and in protein patty receipes that I use to feed 
  my bees, to suppress mites.  
  Essie

Re: 24-hours later: Re: Thun's Working with the Stars 2002 (?)

[Perry Clutts]

> >If you have a copy this (can't find mine...), would 
you mind telling > >me when the next Northern planting period begins 
and ends?> >> >Thanks> >> >-Allan


From Working with the Stars 2002 pg. 37 
July 2002 
On the July 6 Mercury leaves the constellation of Taurus and 
moves into Gemini. On July 19 Sun and Jupiter move into Cancer followed by 
Mercury on July 20. Mars, too, is in Cancer having been there since July 9. 
These aspects further the propagation of snails. During the last 20 days of the 
month precipitation is likely. Venus moves into the Warmth region of Lion, but 
cannot convey Warmth forces as strongly as Mercury. However, it will compensate 
to some extent to opposition to Uranus on July 9. 
Northern Planting Times: 10th 09h to 21st 
19h
16th  Earth 
Root   
17th  
Earth Root
18th 
 Earth/Light   Root till 5/Flower after 
6
19th 
 Light/Water   Flower till 12/13 Leaf 
after 13
20th 
 Water Leaf till 
22
21st  Water/Warmth  
Leaf after 3-19 Fruit after 20 NPT ends 19h

Re: RoundUp alternative

[Perry Clutts]

This article was posted to SANET on May 15th. Might be of interest. Allan, 
Doesn't mention Poison Ivy, but I'll try it on some I have this morning.
Perry



STORY LEAD: Spray Weeds With 
Vinegar?___ARS News 
ServiceAgricultural Research Service, USDADon Comis, (301) 504-1625, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]May 15, 
2002___Some home gardeners 
already use vinegar as a herbicide, and some garden stores sell vinegar 
pesticides. But no one has tested it scientifically until 
now.Agricultural Research Service scientists offer the first scientific 
evidence that it may be a potent weedkiller that is inexpensive and 
environmentally safe--perfect for organic farmers. 
 
ARS researchers Jay Radhakrishnan, John R. Teasdale and Ben Coffman in 
Beltsville, Md., tested vinegar on major weeds-- common lamb's-quarters, giant 
foxtail, velvetleaf, smooth pigweed and Canada thistle--in greenhouse and field 
studies.   
 
They hand-sprayed the weeds with various solutions of vinegar, uniformly 
coating the leaves. The researchers found that 5- and 10-percent concentrations 
killed the weeds during their first two weeks of life. Older plants required 
higher concentrations of  vinegar to kill them. At the higher 
concentrations, vinegar had an 85- to 100-percent kill rate at all growth 
stages. A bottle of household vinegar is about a 5-percent concentration. 
 
Canada thistle, one of the most tenacious weeds in the world, proved the 
most susceptible; the 5-percent concentration had a100-percent kill rate of 
the perennial's Top growth. The 20-percent concentration can do this in about 2 
hours. 
 
Spot spraying of cornfields with 20 percent vinegar killed 80 to 100 
percent of weeds without harming the corn, but the scientistsstress the need 
for more research. If the vinegar were sprayed over an entire field, it would 
cost about $65 per acre. If applied to local weed infestations only, such as may 
occur in the crop row after cultivation, it may only cost about $20 to $30. 

 
The researchers use only vinegar made from fruits or grains, to conform to 
organic farming standards.ARS is the U.S. Department of Agriculture's 
chief scientific research   
agency.___* This is one of 
the news reports that ARS Information distributes tosubscribers on 
weekdays.* Start, stop or change an e-mail subscription atwww.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/subscribe.htm* 
The latest news is always at www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/thelatest.htm* 
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- Original Message - 
From: "M.N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 2:09 AM
Subject: RoundUp
> Also, I suggest that folks look into another weed killer I 
have heard some> about, called Finale. As I understand it (do more deep 
research on this to> be sure) it is a chemical related to Roundup, but in 
a form which more> quickly breaks down in the soil, and which does not 
profit Monsanto.> > Strength & Wisdom,> Micah> 
> > 
> 
> Al-Qemi- Alchemical & Spagyric products for healing body, 
spirit & soul.> Visit us on the web at: www.al-qemi.com > > 

Re:Testing preps?

[Perry Clutts]

Does anyone have time, energy and expertise to write a SARE producer grant
( due March 29th )? (http://www.sare.org/ncrsare/02producercfp.PDF) Steve
Diver may be able to give advice... I'd think Elaine would help too... Sure
sounds like there is a lot of producer interest in this research. SARE is
divided up into regions, so that will be an issue to think about. There is
also OFRF in California (http://www.ofrf.org/research/application.html)...
July 15 is this deadline if a week is too short of a notice. This would be
for next year. I would able to help with this one.

Perry

- Original Message -
From: "Hugh Lovel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 8:03 PM
Subject: Re:Testing preps?


> Dears,
>
> I think you'll find the BC, 500 and Pfeiffer sprays have quite different
> properties. I think if we test these every way we can think of we will
know
> a lot more about the whole picture. We should also test prepotentized 500
> and Courtney's version of Podolinsky's prepared 500 and so forth.
>
> I'll be meeting in early May with Elaine Ingham, Scott Crandall, Paul
> Feiber, etc. out in Oregon on a vineyard research project. It might help
> this project if we have one of Elaine's biological assay of each of the BD
> remedies from the horn manure all the way up to fresh brewed and also
> fermented horsetail decoction. I haven't sent in samples as I don't knopw
> what Elaine might think of analysing so many samples without some money up
> front. If we can get the funding for this I can come up with the samples.
> Heck I make these things.

Re: Virus is a HOAX

[Perry Clutts]

RB and others,
 
Check out this link:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blhoax.htm?pid=2733&cob=home
 
It is getting harder to search for hoaxes since there 
are so many now, but now they are categorized (a little 
easier).
 
Perry
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 4:51 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Virus is a HOAX
  Allan- I passed 
  what has turned out to be a hoax onto BD Now, under the impression I was 
  offering a remedy for a virus that I thought I may have spread to the mailing 
  list. I apologize for the inconvience that this has caused. I sent the 
  detailed instructions in ignorance, I fell for it like a ton of bricks and be 
  assured I had no intentions to cause any harm to the BD Now list. 
  RB 

Re: 3 Kings Spray

[Perry Clutts]

Michael and others, 
check this site:
http://www.anth.org.uk/biodynamic/Three%20Kings%20Preparation.htm
 
Ingredients from JPI. 
Perry

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Michael 
  Roboz 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 10:07 
  AM
  Subject: 3 Kings Spray
  
  Steve-what is the 3 Kingspray? 
Michael