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Hi Manfred: I am also interested in receiving a copy of this research, for 2 reasons. I grew up in the area studied and also for my study with eco ag. If postage required please let me know. Thanks L&L Liz on 29/10/02 11:36 AM, manfred palmer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dear Nelson: > Last year, 2 local professors/team ...University of Windsorcompleted a > 2-year research paper on conventional, organic, and biodynamic farming > practitioners in ontario, canada. They surveyed all the groups with > questionaires including personal convictions, level of integrity re land > stewardship,etc. > Also, familial and financial state of being., and i believe there were some > social conclusions/ impacts/trends noted. > While this was not exclusively a bd subject, there were some distinct > differences which were no surprise to most of us who read the finished > paper. > A noteworthy social impact is always found in "consumers" who participate in > a "csa" ...community supported agriculture... venture: sincere appreciation > for the hand-blessed produce and process which they share in. Appreciation > is generative, and this surely has a ripple impact in their compound worlds. > If the document (fairly academic) sounds interesting for you, i could obtain > a copy and forward to you if you can wait a while. ? > ...manfred palmer > - Original Message - > From: "Nelson Jacomel Junior" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:38 AM > Subject: Impact BD Practices > > >> dears: >> after some months away from the list (the server was out of order) I feel > very >> happy to read our mesages again. >> Now, I'm to start a doctorate study at local university regarding bd >> agriculture, environment and changes of consumption habits. >> I would like to ask if we have any information on research done in social >> changes related to the use of biodynamic agriculture. I mean, we have >> conversations on the impact of bd practices in our produces but do we have >> studies on the impact over the consumption atitude of practicioners? Or on >> citizens? >> I know its a tough subject despite I'm sure there is a change. Have any > one >> reported that or researched that? Tks for any comment. >> Nelson Jacomel Junior >> agronomist, member at South Brasil Biodynamic Agriculture Association >> from Florianopolis, SC, Brasil. >> >> >> >> - >> This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ >> > >
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I would as well like a copy of this. Please send to : Jane Parker 104 Hodges Lane Takoma Park, MD 20912 I will send you postage . My computer has been acting up and I am not able to download very much materrial at a time. Thank you.
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Dear Nelson, Interesting topic. I often say that my job is growing farmers, because as the information and advisory person for our association in Australia, the part I love the most is working with farmers as they first come in to Biodynamics and then start to make changes in their thinking and way of life as they evolve and work more with BD agriculture. They become so much more confident, and really enjoy their work. They also develop their observational skills and become more in tune with their environment, then you see their family values changes, food consumption change and attitudes to education for their children as well. That is if they are not too overworked - and that can also happen, when economically they cant afford help and their life becomes a matter of survival on huge properties with too high a workload to achieve their goals. (But that seems to happen in farming generally, and I guess most of life.) I havent heard of any research being done on BD farms re this topic, but I do know of something like it for Organics generally, see below. 11. APPLICANT'S PREVIOUS WORK IN THIS OR RELATED TOPICS (ie. give journal references)Lawrence G et al (2001) Agrigenetics, food consumption and the environment, in Lockie & Pritchard (eds) Consuming foods, sustaining environments, AAP: Brisbane.*Lockie S, Lyons K & Lawrence G (2000) Constructing Green Foods: Corporate Capital, Risk and Organic Farming in Aust and NZ, Ag & Human Values 17, 315-322.* Lockie S (1998) Env and Social Risks, and the Construction of Best-Practice in Aust Agriculture, Ag & Human Values 15, 243-252. email for Stewart Lockie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kirsten Lyons also did some of this work with Stewart on social values and organic foods. Best wishes with your research, Cheryl Kemp Education and Workshop Coordinator Biodynamic AgriCulture Australia Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322 Home: 02 6657 5306 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.biodynamics.net.au - Original Message - From: "Nelson Jacomel Junior" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 1:38 AM Subject: Impact BD Practices > dears: > after some months away from the list (the server was out of order) I feel very > happy to read our mesages again. > Now, I'm to start a doctorate study at local university regarding bd > agriculture, environment and changes of consumption habits. > I would like to ask if we have any information on research done in social > changes related to the use of biodynamic agriculture. I mean, we have > conversations on the impact of bd practices in our produces but do we have > studies on the impact over the consumption atitude of practicioners? Or on > citizens? > I know its a tough subject despite I'm sure there is a change. Have any one > reported that or researched that? Tks for any comment. > Nelson Jacomel Junior > agronomist, member at South Brasil Biodynamic Agriculture Association > from Florianopolis, SC, Brasil. > > > > - > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ >
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Hi! Manfred, Sounds very interesting. Is the document small enough to email? I have unrestricted access. Gil manfred palmer wrote: > Dear Nelson: > Last year, 2 local professors/team ...University of Windsorcompleted a > 2-year research paper on conventional, organic, and biodynamic farming > practitioners in ontario, canada. They surveyed all the groups with > questionaires including personal convictions, level of integrity re land > stewardship,etc. > Also, familial and financial state of being., and i believe there were some > social conclusions/ impacts/trends noted. > While this was not exclusively a bd subject, there were some distinct > differences which were no surprise to most of us who read the finished > paper. > A noteworthy social impact is always found in "consumers" who participate in > a "csa" ...community supported agriculture... venture: sincere appreciation > for the hand-blessed produce and process which they share in. Appreciation > is generative, and this surely has a ripple impact in their compound worlds. > If the document (fairly academic) sounds interesting for you, i could obtain > a copy and forward to you if you can wait a while. ? > ...manfred palmer > - Original Message - > From: "Nelson Jacomel Junior" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:38 AM > Subject: Impact BD Practices > > > dears: > > after some months away from the list (the server was out of order) I feel > very > > happy to read our mesages again. > > Now, I'm to start a doctorate study at local university regarding bd > > agriculture, environment and changes of consumption habits. > > I would like to ask if we have any information on research done in social > > changes related to the use of biodynamic agriculture. I mean, we have > > conversations on the impact of bd practices in our produces but do we have > > studies on the impact over the consumption atitude of practicioners? Or on > > citizens? > > I know its a tough subject despite I'm sure there is a change. Have any > one > > reported that or researched that? Tks for any comment. > > Nelson Jacomel Junior > > agronomist, member at South Brasil Biodynamic Agriculture Association > > from Florianopolis, SC, Brasil. > > > > > > > > - > > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > >
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Dear Nelson: Last year, 2 local professors/team ...University of Windsorcompleted a 2-year research paper on conventional, organic, and biodynamic farming practitioners in ontario, canada. They surveyed all the groups with questionaires including personal convictions, level of integrity re land stewardship,etc. Also, familial and financial state of being., and i believe there were some social conclusions/ impacts/trends noted. While this was not exclusively a bd subject, there were some distinct differences which were no surprise to most of us who read the finished paper. A noteworthy social impact is always found in "consumers" who participate in a "csa" ...community supported agriculture... venture: sincere appreciation for the hand-blessed produce and process which they share in. Appreciation is generative, and this surely has a ripple impact in their compound worlds. If the document (fairly academic) sounds interesting for you, i could obtain a copy and forward to you if you can wait a while. ? ...manfred palmer - Original Message - From: "Nelson Jacomel Junior" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:38 AM Subject: Impact BD Practices > dears: > after some months away from the list (the server was out of order) I feel very > happy to read our mesages again. > Now, I'm to start a doctorate study at local university regarding bd > agriculture, environment and changes of consumption habits. > I would like to ask if we have any information on research done in social > changes related to the use of biodynamic agriculture. I mean, we have > conversations on the impact of bd practices in our produces but do we have > studies on the impact over the consumption atitude of practicioners? Or on > citizens? > I know its a tough subject despite I'm sure there is a change. Have any one > reported that or researched that? Tks for any comment. > Nelson Jacomel Junior > agronomist, member at South Brasil Biodynamic Agriculture Association > from Florianopolis, SC, Brasil. > > > > - > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ >
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Yes Robin, I already am having fun. consider the fact that there is no data on the subject isnt it fun by itself. Then I know that the demand on goods in urban UK is still increasing and strong so in this case we are not protecting our environment. We say one thing and do another. Next step is, what are we doing in the case of agriculture? Thank you for the hint on Penn University. Nelson. - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
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Hello, Congrads on finding such an exciting Ph.D. thesis! I suspect that there will not be much scientific literature concerning your topic here in America, but certainly more in Germany and elsewhere. Such a lack of information is WHY you are justified to study this topic as a Ph.D.. If we knew the answer to your problem then your research topic would not be fit for a Ph.D.. In other word, the less you know about your problem, or how to solve your problem, the better it is. This may sound cynical, but too many graduates students simply catalogue what we already know. This latter task is valuable but not for higher education purposes. Having said that, do you know this reference: *Lorand, A.C. 1996. Biodynamic Agriculture - A Paradigmatic Analysis. The Pennsylvania State University, Department of Agriculture and Extension Education. Ph.D. Dissertation. 114p. It's a good start for pointing out the social evolution and perception of BD. It's on the web. Search for it! > I would like to ask if we have any information on research done in social > changes related to the use of biodynamic agriculture. I mean, we have > conversations on the impact of bd practices in our produces but do we have > studies on the impact over the consumption atitude of practicioners? Or on > citizens? Perhaps you can look at what has been done in that topic for organic farming. Maybe you will be inspired by the methodologies they might have used in their studies. Have fun! Robin - Original Message - From: "Nelson Jacomel Junior" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: October 28, 2002 6:38 AM Subject: Impact BD Practices > dears: > after some months away from the list (the server was out of order) I feel very > happy to read our mesages again. > Now, I'm to start a doctorate study at local university regarding bd > agriculture, environment and changes of consumption habits. > I would like to ask if we have any information on research done in social > changes related to the use of biodynamic agriculture. I mean, we have > conversations on the impact of bd practices in our produces but do we have > studies on the impact over the consumption atitude of practicioners? Or on > citizens? > I know its a tough subject despite I'm sure there is a change. Have any one > reported that or researched that? Tks for any comment. > Nelson Jacomel Junior > agronomist, member at South Brasil Biodynamic Agriculture Association > from Florianopolis, SC, Brasil. > > > > - > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > >
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<>Dear Nelson, could you please explain a liittle better what you mean by this. I don't understand. Sincerely, Christy Korrow - Original Message - From: Nelson Jacomel Junior <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:38 AM Subject: Impact BD Practices > dears: > after some months away from the list (the server was out of order) I feel very > happy to read our mesages again. > Now, I'm to start a doctorate study at local university regarding bd > agriculture, environment and changes of consumption habits. > I would like to ask if we have any information on research done in social > changes related to the use of biodynamic agriculture. I mean, we have > conversations on the impact of bd practices in our produces but do we have > studies on the impact over the consumption atitude of practicioners? Or on > citizens? > I know its a tough subject despite I'm sure there is a change. Have any one > reported that or researched that? Tks for any comment. > Nelson Jacomel Junior > agronomist, member at South Brasil Biodynamic Agriculture Association > from Florianopolis, SC, Brasil. > > > > - > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ >
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dears: after some months away from the list (the server was out of order) I feel very happy to read our mesages again. Now, I'm to start a doctorate study at local university regarding bd agriculture, environment and changes of consumption habits. I would like to ask if we have any information on research done in social changes related to the use of biodynamic agriculture. I mean, we have conversations on the impact of bd practices in our produces but do we have studies on the impact over the consumption atitude of practicioners? Or on citizens? I know its a tough subject despite I'm sure there is a change. Have any one reported that or researched that? Tks for any comment. Nelson Jacomel Junior agronomist, member at South Brasil Biodynamic Agriculture Association from Florianopolis, SC, Brasil. - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
Re: Heads up: USDA Organic Rules to Impact BD Practices
Dears, The rules for spraying compost tea w/molasses were written out of fear and ignorance, unfortunately. It's that "one size fits all" mentality that so often infects bureaucracies. There's a lot of crops that don't have 120 days from planting to harvest. I'm told that the commonest vector for transmission of trichinosis (sometimes found in pork) is bird droppings on lettuce or some such. If the politics were a little different maybe we would see compost tea mandated to protect us from such a thing. Personally I don't want to be regulated by the government. What I've noticed over the years is the more laws we have the more lawless our society has become and that where governments work best is where people act responsibly because of personal motivation rather then because they are made to do so. Yes, the real issues are clean tea makers and teas with a good mix of healthy bacteria and fungi. There is a fear of pathogenic coliforms akin to the fear of poisonous spiders. Most are benign or evens beneficial. There are just a few dangerous ones, and if you keep your eyes peeled you don 't run afoul of them any more than you would run afoul of dangerous coliforms. Best, Hugh Lovel >If the rules say that you can't spray CT on food crops for 120 days >before harvest, then they are talking about foliar feed. They are >worried about I. coli which forms in anaerobic situations in CT where >there is too much food for the organisms (molasses) and too little >aeration getting on food that is going to market. > >The participants in the CT list/serve are talking about their CT makers >in terms of their ability to clean them well and quickly and in terms of >getting not only bacteria, but a balance of bacteria and fungi. There's >so much to understand. > >I would say that the NOP standards apply only to "Certified" organic >growers. But certified organic is supposed to be the highest standard >in the U.S. If they are so worded that they exclude the use of CT, then >really they aren't useful for organic farmers because 24-hour CT as >conceptualized by Elaine at Soil Food Web, Inc. makes organic much >better. This is why Elaine's lectures around the world are so >important. A lot of organic growers don't really know anything about >what is actually going on in making compost--only that raw manure is >prohibited. They have the rule without the understanding, and could >easily have anaerobic conditions in their compost pile to start with. >Elaine is writing a guide for understanding compost making. That ought >to help matters. I surely do hope she can reach mainstream organic >growers. If people do listen and understand instead of just following >rules, then there shouldn't be any trouble. > > There also must be a difference between a cow pie you pick up in a BD >pasture and the stuff that comes out of the kind of confined conditions >that exist in feed lots. This does not help matters. > >I found Will Brinton's analysis of 500 to have limitations. His >analysis of 500 doesn't tell me why it enlivens the soil. It only says >that 500 is not raw manure. But how do BD compost and 500 work >together? Has anyone ever been able to analyze the process or is it too >esoteric? > > >Allan Balliett wrote: > >> If you're monitoring SANET or Elaine Inghams compost tea discussion >> group, you already know that the USDA organic rules group has been >> advised to restrict the use of compost teas on food crops. This >> applies particularly to teas that use added sugars (mollasses, for >> example). Already, however, it appears that the rule may be >> generalized to 'ban' all cow manure based teas. The chances of this >> impacting BD 500 and BC is very high. Of course, this only applies to >> people who are interested in receiving USDA organic certification, >> but the possibility of truly negative publicity is very high. I don't >> have all the details on these events, and what I've said above may be >> misleading. >> >> What I have to say most importantly is that we need to gather all the >> information we can on this move by the USDA organic group and discuss >> it among ourselves so we are prepared to speak out on it and more >> importantly, to talk intelligently to our customers about the >> difference between biodynamically grown foods and USDA organics. >> >> -Allan Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
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Bio Dynamic farmers and gardeners have been using cow horn manure as a spray for over seventy years. How many have been adversly affected apart from getting a sore back from carrying a bucket in one hand and flicking horn manure out with the other. I've had the wind blow it back in my face numerous times over the last 40 years and I keep in pretty good health. best wishes, Peter. - Original Message - From: "Gil Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: Re: Heads up: USDA Organic Rules to Impact BD Practices > Allan, > Without putting to fine a point on it. Personally, I would prefer > something that came out of the back end of a cow, mixed with my food than > any thing from Monsanto. > > Gil > > Allan Balliett wrote: > > > If you're monitoring SANET or Elaine Inghams compost tea discussion > > group, you already know that the USDA organic rules group has been > > advised to restrict the use of compost teas on food crops. This > > applies particularly to teas that use added sugars (mollasses, for > > example). Already, however, it appears that the rule may be > > generalized to 'ban' all cow manure based teas. The chances of this > > impacting BD 500 and BC is very high. Of course, this only applies to > > people who are interested in receiving USDA organic certification, > > but the possibility of truly negative publicity is very high. I don't > > have all the details on these events, and what I've said above may be > > misleading. > > > > What I have to say most importantly is that we need to gather all the > > information we can on this move by the USDA organic group and discuss > > it among ourselves so we are prepared to speak out on it and more > > importantly, to talk intelligently to our customers about the > > difference between biodynamically grown foods and USDA organics. > > > > -Allan > >
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>If you're monitoring SANET or Elaine Inghams compost tea discussion >group, you already know that the USDA organic rules group has been >advised to restrict the use of compost teas on food crops. This >applies particularly to teas that use added sugars (mollasses, for >example). Already, however, it appears that the rule may be >generalized to 'ban' all cow manure based teas. The chances of this >impacting BD 500 and BC is very high. Of course, this only applies to >people who are interested in receiving USDA organic certification, >but the possibility of truly negative publicity is very high. I don't >have all the details on these events, and what I've said above may be >misleading. > >What I have to say most importantly is that we need to gather all the >information we can on this move by the USDA organic group and discuss >it among ourselves so we are prepared to speak out on it and more >importantly, to talk intelligently to our customers about the >difference between biodynamically grown foods and USDA organics. > >-Allan Allan, Such is the level of science--or is it politics?--in the USDA. Clearly in a compost tea brewing schema sugars provide food for bacterial proliferation, which lies at the basis of the effectiveness of compost teas. Plus, cow manures from cows on pasture and decent grass/hay, while rich enough in coliforms, will never have the virulent HR 157 strain associated with feedlot beef. Just freaking out about coliforms is not good science. You need to understand that the kinds of coliforms that occur under healthy conditions are quite different from the kinds that occur under bad conditions. While Elaine has the science on her side, the big question is where the politics will fall. She's got some big detractors in folks who want to sell poisons and in folks who are doing large scale animal confinement from grains processessing and don't particularly want the full story of bacteria and coliforms to come out. It's pretty stupid when you get right down to it. You aren't going to get virulent coliforms in animals that don't get chronic diarrehea, such as occurs in feedlots from the feeding of grain by-product concentrates. They simply don't occur on pasture and hay, as the conditions aren't right for them. But they commonly occur in the intense confinement operations and then there are immense recalls of meats. This is costly! The big companies should change their methods! I know they have a set-up and are capitalized into it, but it is costing them bigtime. Irradiation is the next fix. Going for BandAids? Another stupid layer of the lady who swallowed the fly, then the spider, then the mouse, then the rat, then the cat, etc. Just close your mouth, stupid! Work on digesting the fly. The idea of putting poison on food--and then irridiating it?!--good ole insanity. The result would (will) be widespread death. Let's see what we can do for Elaine in getting more of the FULL truth to the fore. Best, Hugh Lovel Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Heads up: USDA Organic Rules to Impact BD Practices
If the rules say that you can't spray CT on food crops for 120 days before harvest, then they are talking about foliar feed. They are worried about I. coli which forms in anaerobic situations in CT where there is too much food for the organisms (molasses) and too little aeration getting on food that is going to market. The participants in the CT list/serve are talking about their CT makers in terms of their ability to clean them well and quickly and in terms of getting not only bacteria, but a balance of bacteria and fungi. There's so much to understand. I would say that the NOP standards apply only to "Certified" organic growers. But certified organic is supposed to be the highest standard in the U.S. If they are so worded that they exclude the use of CT, then really they aren't useful for organic farmers because 24-hour CT as conceptualized by Elaine at Soil Food Web, Inc. makes organic much better. This is why Elaine's lectures around the world are so important. A lot of organic growers don't really know anything about what is actually going on in making compost--only that raw manure is prohibited. They have the rule without the understanding, and could easily have anaerobic conditions in their compost pile to start with. Elaine is writing a guide for understanding compost making. That ought to help matters. I surely do hope she can reach mainstream organic growers. If people do listen and understand instead of just following rules, then there shouldn't be any trouble. There also must be a difference between a cow pie you pick up in a BD pasture and the stuff that comes out of the kind of confined conditions that exist in feed lots. This does not help matters. I found Will Brinton's analysis of 500 to have limitations. His analysis of 500 doesn't tell me why it enlivens the soil. It only says that 500 is not raw manure. But how do BD compost and 500 work together? Has anyone ever been able to analyze the process or is it too esoteric? Allan Balliett wrote: > If you're monitoring SANET or Elaine Inghams compost tea discussion > group, you already know that the USDA organic rules group has been > advised to restrict the use of compost teas on food crops. This > applies particularly to teas that use added sugars (mollasses, for > example). Already, however, it appears that the rule may be > generalized to 'ban' all cow manure based teas. The chances of this > impacting BD 500 and BC is very high. Of course, this only applies to > people who are interested in receiving USDA organic certification, > but the possibility of truly negative publicity is very high. I don't > have all the details on these events, and what I've said above may be > misleading. > > What I have to say most importantly is that we need to gather all the > information we can on this move by the USDA organic group and discuss > it among ourselves so we are prepared to speak out on it and more > importantly, to talk intelligently to our customers about the > difference between biodynamically grown foods and USDA organics. > > -Allan
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Hi! Allan, I grew up in a dairy farming family and it never occurred to us that cow shit was dirty. I mean to say, there is nothing better to stand in, when bring the cows in, bare foot, on a frosty morning. Gil excellent! ;-)
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Allan wrote Of course, this only applies to people who are interested in receiving USDA organic certification, Allan are you sure about this?? No, I'm not certain about it in the long run but the current dialogue was triggered by the NOSB, or by recommendations to them AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND.
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Title: Re: Heads up: USDA Organic Rules to Impact BD Practices Without putting to fine a point on it. Personally, I would prefer something that came out of the back end of a cow, mixed with my food than any thing from Monsanto. Gil Don't worry about that being sharp Its as blunt as a telephone pole! & Right ON! L*L Markess
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Allan wrote > Of course, this only applies to > people who are interested in receiving USDA organic certification, Allan are you sure about this?? . I have asked this question several times and got no answer from others (mainly on the ct list) IF this applies ONLY to organic production it is easy to argue against as it has been introduced on a food safety basis. IF its a food safety issue it ought to apply across the board to all food crops whether or not they are organic and even IF that is the case it should be easy to overturn this decision. How can compost tea be more of a health hazard than spraying endosulfan (or a myriad other nasty poisons) onto tomatoes three days before consumption ??? Lloyd Charles Who remains a skeptic and thinks this whole deal is a move to nuke the use of Compost Tea before it starts to impact chemical sales which it will definitely do if left alone!
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Hi! Allan, I grew up in a dairy farming family and it never occurred to us that cow shit was dirty. I mean to say, there is nothing better to stand in, when bring the cows in, bare foot, on a frosty morning. Gil Allan Balliett wrote: > Yes, Gil, I know what you mean. I'm crossing the line with this > comment, but I find it really hard to think of the pies of healthy > cows as shit. It's seems more appropriate to think of them as piles > of grass that have through a pre-composting process. Not the same > stuff at all that my dog leaves in the foot paths, is it? -Allan > > >Allan,
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Yes, Gil, I know what you mean. I'm crossing the line with this comment, but I find it really hard to think of the pies of healthy cows as shit. It's seems more appropriate to think of them as piles of grass that have through a pre-composting process. Not the same stuff at all that my dog leaves in the foot paths, is it? -Allan Allan, Without putting to fine a point on it. Personally, I would prefer something that came out of the back end of a cow, mixed with my food than any thing from Monsanto. Gil
Re: Heads up: USDA Organic Rules to Impact BD Practices
Allan, Without putting to fine a point on it. Personally, I would prefer something that came out of the back end of a cow, mixed with my food than any thing from Monsanto. Gil Allan Balliett wrote: > If you're monitoring SANET or Elaine Inghams compost tea discussion > group, you already know that the USDA organic rules group has been > advised to restrict the use of compost teas on food crops. This > applies particularly to teas that use added sugars (mollasses, for > example). Already, however, it appears that the rule may be > generalized to 'ban' all cow manure based teas. The chances of this > impacting BD 500 and BC is very high. Of course, this only applies to > people who are interested in receiving USDA organic certification, > but the possibility of truly negative publicity is very high. I don't > have all the details on these events, and what I've said above may be > misleading. > > What I have to say most importantly is that we need to gather all the > information we can on this move by the USDA organic group and discuss > it among ourselves so we are prepared to speak out on it and more > importantly, to talk intelligently to our customers about the > difference between biodynamically grown foods and USDA organics. > > -Allan
Heads up: USDA Organic Rules to Impact BD Practices
If you're monitoring SANET or Elaine Inghams compost tea discussion group, you already know that the USDA organic rules group has been advised to restrict the use of compost teas on food crops. This applies particularly to teas that use added sugars (mollasses, for example). Already, however, it appears that the rule may be generalized to 'ban' all cow manure based teas. The chances of this impacting BD 500 and BC is very high. Of course, this only applies to people who are interested in receiving USDA organic certification, but the possibility of truly negative publicity is very high. I don't have all the details on these events, and what I've said above may be misleading. What I have to say most importantly is that we need to gather all the information we can on this move by the USDA organic group and discuss it among ourselves so we are prepared to speak out on it and more importantly, to talk intelligently to our customers about the difference between biodynamically grown foods and USDA organics. -Allan
