Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies
Dear Markess, I had put your email away so that I had time to try and digest it and make sense of the data. I dont understand what you are trying to get at or how I could use it in the form that you have written it. For instance what do you mean by this set of potencies, Harmonics - potencies of 1M to 21M * Amplitude - 6X 7X Velocity - 28X 30X Mode - 26X 29X 33X 47X 54X 69X 72X 79X Number - 3X When I understand what you are trying to get at we could discuss the rest of the potencies that you suggest. Have a good day Janmes Hedley - Original Message - From: Moen Creek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 1:52 AM Subject: Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies Dear Listers, inspired by James Hedley's wonderious post of Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:06:39 +1000 I looked to a basic level of remedies potencies. We're are not reductionest. Potencies are not doing the work but help balance and organize energy field patterns. To get caught up in a misappropriation of cause is the point of departure between the Vitalist and the rock hard scientist. When we add a potencized anything to an energy field there are effects affects on multiple areas/levels or maybe none at all. But it is an organism and it's field that is doing the work. So what are the aspects these remedies action on fields. Hugh wrote a Whitman'esk list at one time of field adjustments and variables. I have followed some with the potencies I see as influencing this aspect. A field has, Hertz Harmonics - potencies of 1M to 21M * Amplitude - 6X 7X Velocity - 28X 30X Mode - 26X 29X 33X 47X 54X 69X 72X 79X Number - 3X Periodicity - 200C (rhythmical actions of plants including flowering fruiting) Polarization - 1m - 21M * Direction - Towards center is 200K - Towards the periphery 1K -100K *the differences here is in the handedness of the remedy Harmonics are adjusted with Left handedness and polarization by Right handedness (your input is most welcome as whether this means type ie hamering, shaking stiring to potencize or what. For me it is a Radionic rate added to creating the potency 32.25-51.25 sets it as Left handed 51.25-32.25 set it as Right Fields also have Flux Defractions Reflections Interactions Absorption Synchronicity Dimensions can be Conditioned Activated and Templated What say's you? In Love Light Markess Dear list, The problems with the work of Lili and Eugen Kolisko is that all the work that I have seen never resolved an optimum potency which was common to all plant or agricultural work. Potentisation rates of homoeopathic remedies is not an exact science that says that if you use this potency you will get this result. even amongst homoeopathic chat lists there is no common acceptance that this , or that potency is better than another, it just that this person used this remedy at this potency and achieved this result. As a general rule the greater the similarity to the drug picture the higher potency that you will use, the smaller the dose the more beneficial the results. The potencies for agricultural elimination use will be far different to those potencies used for enhancing life force. Even potencies are only really applicable for that particular time in that particular situation.. The question is what potency will achieve the result that i am looking for with the minimum amount of substance. Peter Rheumkoff has removed white ants from a house by broadcasting a pepper at LMM potency. (snip) When you are using spiritual forces to counteract something, the greatest source of knowledge of the effects of your work will come from the spiritual realms. Follow your guidance as to what the optimum potency would be. I have tried at other times to get people on the list to discuss what they are doing potency wise with their preps. I have used BD preps at potencies of up to CM [a dilution of 1/1000 done 100 times] with great results. There are three effective methods of checking potencies: 1.] The use of a radionic analysis instrument such as a Don Mattioda or Malcolm Rae instrument, a Bio Photon instrument, a Bruce Copen or an SE-7 will all give an automatic reading of potencies.Use of a radionic instrument will give you an exact potency reading. They will give you a reading of vitality which you can use to compare the effects of different potencies or treatment options. 2.] The use of a refractometer to test the effects of what you are doing. This method is promoted by people such as Arden Andersen and Phillip Wheeler 3.] The use of dowsing. As accurate as any radionic instrument.(snip) In many cases the correct rate, or alternatively potency rate could be the subject of intellectual property which someone may not want to give out. Just write to Glen and ask for how he makes his remedies. Even if he did tell you everything that he has
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Allan: I would like to do both things, I feel to discuss a book one needs to read the book, I repeat the question. Does anyone know who to approach to have it reprinted? If you have a copy who printed it? I appreciate you going to the trouble of sending excerpts but I would really like to be able to study the whole book, I feel it would be of great use to those of us using potentised preps. I believe in going to the source if you want something to happen. David C David - Do you need to 'own it,' or would you like to discuss it? If there are people interested in discussing it, I don't mind posting exerpts of it to the list. No point, though, if no one is interested. -Allan
Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies
Allan: I would like to do both things, I feel to discuss a book one needs to read the book, I repeat the question. Does anyone know who to approach to have it reprinted? If you have a copy who printed it? I appreciate you going to the trouble of sending excerpts but I would really like to be able to study the whole book, I feel it would be of great use to those of us using potentised preps. I believe in going to the source if you want something to happen. David C The copyright of the book is owned by 'Kolisko Archive Publications' which is an English organization. Perhaps someone could tell the history of Kolisko's work and the history of this book's publication for David. ACRES USA would reprint this book in a moment...if they could get permission
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The copyright of the book is owned by 'Kolisko Archive Publications' which is an English organization. Perhaps someone could tell the history of Kolisko's work and the history of this book's publication for David. Allan I have sent David directions where he can borrow a copy of Agriculture of Tomorrow Lloyd Charles ACRES USA would reprint this book in a moment...if they could get permission Should be a sunset clause on copyright - if they have not recouped expenses from 1978 to now its not our fault!
Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies
Should be a sunset clause on copyright - if they have not recouped expenses from 1978 to now its not our fault! how can we find out about this?
Let's Get On With It! [was: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies
You guys...why are you worrying about this. A bunch of BD freaks on an email list share a long out of date, obscure, long out of print book...Fragments of it at a time. Big deal! Information wants to be free...the slogan rings true here. Let's get on with it and discuss it. I've been curious about Koliskos' work for many years, with no way to find out about it. Hooray to Lloyd for having the guts to put it out there for us. Woody Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies Should be a sunset clause on copyright - if they have not recouped expenses from 1978 to now its not our fault! how can we find out about this?
Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies
- Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 11, 2002 5:28 AM Subject: Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies The copyright of the book is owned by 'Kolisko Archive Publications' which is an English organization. Perhaps someone could tell the history of Kolisko's work and the history of this book's publication for David.Allan I have sent David directions where he can borrow a copy of Agricultureof TomorrowLloyd Charles ACRES USA would reprint this book in a moment...if they could getpermissionShould be a sunset clause on copyright - if they have not recouped expensesfrom 1978 to now its not our fault!
Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies
Hi! Allan, I emailed the copy right holder asking what plans there are for reprinting, saying that there would be a number on this list interested. Yet to hear back. If they say they have no plans to print it, may be it could be placed on the 'Net as an Ebook for single down load for personal use? Gil Allan Balliett wrote: Should be a sunset clause on copyright - if they have not recouped expenses from 1978 to now its not our fault! how can we find out about this?
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Dear Alan, Could the publisher put it on the web as an eBook. James - Original Message - From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies Hi! Allan, From what you say and from my look around the 'Net, it would seem that Kolisko's Agriclture of Tomorrow, is a work that would be good for us to work through as a group. It would seem that it is out of print, with the last publisher list it out of print. (At forty seven Pound fifty!!!). Could it be scanned and put on a Site, in whole or in part? And then at a time convenient to the leaders on the list, have some sort of protracted examination of the potency part at least. I think it would be good if as many as possible trialed the same potencies of our stock Preps and Cures and then posted our results so that as a group, we can build up a greater understanding of this very important aspect of homoeopathy and in our case, those potenising sprays and Preps for broadcasting. Gil Allan Balliett wrote: I posted the comment below in the hopes of stimulating some interest in posting and discussing the work of the Kolisko's through their monumental book, Agriclture of Tomorrow. Gosh, it didn't provoke a single rise. Is there really no interest on BD Now! in this most important work, which was initially directed by RS himself? -Allan
Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies
Dear list, The problems with the work of Lili and Eugen Kolisko is that all the work that I have seen never resolved an optimum potency which was common to all plant or agricultural work. Potentisation rates of homoeopathic remedies is not an exact science that says that if you use this potency you will get this result. even amongst homoeopathic chat lists there is no common acceptance that this , or that potency is better than another, it just that this person used this remedy at this potency and achieved this result. As a general rule the greater the similarity to the drug picture the higher potency that you will use, the smaller the dose the more beneficial the results. The potencies for agricultural elimination use will be far different to those potencies used for enhancing life force. Even potencies are only really applicable for that particular time in that particular situation.. The question is what potency will achieve the result that i am looking for with the minimum amount of substance. Peter Rheumkoff has removed white ants from a house by broadcasting a pepper at LMM potency. The use of homoeopathic dose in large scale agricultural applications has only really become possible with the development of modern radionic instruments. It is one thing to do pot trials, another to work over the vastness of some of Australia's cattle and sheep country. Just try the logistics of stirring and applying preps over 500,000 acres as some BD practitioners do in Australia. When you are using spiritual forces to counteract something, the greatest source of knowledge of the effects of your work will come from the spiritual realms. Follow your guidance as to what the optimum potency would be. I have tried at other times to get people on the list to discuss what they are doing potency wise with their preps. I have used BD preps at potencies of up to CM [a dilution of 1/1000 done 100 times] with great results. There are three effective methods of checking potencies: 1.] The use of a radionic analysis instrument such as a Don Mattioda or Malcolm Rae instrument, a Bio Photon instrument, a Bruce Copen or an SE-7 will all give an automatic reading of potencies.Use of a radionic instrument will give you an exact potency reading. They will give you a reading of vitality which you can use to compare the effects of different potencies or treatment options. 2.] The use of a refractometer to test the effects of what you are doing. This method is promoted by people such as Arden Andersen and Phillip Wheeler 3.] The use of dowsing. As accurate as any radionic instrument. Any one in Australia who is interested in Agricultural radionics can come to one of my courses, where I cover techniques of dowsing and radionics suitable for agricultural appplications. The use of any one of these techiques have been discussed at length in the list over a period of time. In many cases the correct rate, or alternatively potency rate could be the subject of intellectual property which someone may not want to give out. Just write to Glen and ask for how he makes his remedies. Even if he did tell you everything that he has learnt from his experience you would still not have that innate grasp of homoeopathy that comes from experience. Potentisation can never be a cook book science. You will develop a feel for the essence of what you are trying to do, the next thing is to experiment in the same way as the Kolisko's did. There is never an easy way of gaining knowledge. Second hand knowledge without a feel for the subject can lead many a person into strife because the experimenter can affect the outcome of the experiment. I hope that this post will stimulate some discussion of methods and techniques of agricultural radionics. Sincere regards from the Land of the Wizards of Oz James Hedley. Radiasesthesia and Radionic Analysis Radionic Insect and Parasite control Bioethical Agriculture Consultant - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 8:40 PM Subject: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies I posted the comment below in the hopes of stimulating some interest in posting and discussing the work of the Kolisko's through their monumental book, Agriclture of Tomorrow. Gosh, it didn't provoke a single rise. Is there really no interest on BD Now! in this most important work, which was initially directed by RS himself? -Allan About eight or ten years ago, I heard a talk by an agricultural homoeopath, who stated some potencies sedated, while others stimulated, some are life supporting and some are life suppressing. I can't find my notes at the moment and I wondered if you had come across this or found it in the work you have done. I am concerned that some of us armed with only part knowledge, may be using potencies that have an effect other than the one we are aiming to have. Gil - The Kolisko's tracked this information
Re: Let's Get On With It! [was: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies
- Original Message - From: Aurora Farm You guys...why are you worrying about this. A bunch of BD freaks on an email list share a long out of date, obscure, long out of print book...Fragments of it at a time. Big deal! Information wants to be free...the slogan rings true here. Let's get on with it and discuss it. I've been curious about Koliskos' work for many years, with no way to find out about it. Hooray to Lloyd for having the guts to put it out there for us. Woody Thanks Woody but Allan should get all the credit for this - he started it many months ago
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ACRES USA would reprint this book in a moment...if they could get permission I'm quite sure this could be negotiated with the Kolisko's trust. It may cost a few U.S.$ but that would be recouped after printing. Peter.
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. Ironically, here in the US, a homeopathic pharmacy cannot potentize a substance for me without a doctor's prescription (!) Is it legal for you to import homeopthically prepared substances? Peter.
Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies
Allan: Sorry mate I thought it was an advertisement for your conference. Agriculture of Tomorrow is obviously a book relevant to where some BD practitioners are heading, does anyone know who we can approach to have it reprinted? David C - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 10 August 2002 8:40 PM Subject: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies I posted the comment below in the hopes of stimulating some interest in posting and discussing the work of the Kolisko's through their monumental book, Agriclture of Tomorrow. Gosh, it didn't provoke a single rise. Is there really no interest on BD Now! in this most important work, which was initially directed by RS himself? -Allan About eight or ten years ago, I heard a talk by an agricultural homoeopath, who stated some potencies sedated, while others stimulated, some are life supporting and some are life suppressing. I can't find my notes at the moment and I wondered if you had come across this or found it in the work you have done. I am concerned that some of us armed with only part knowledge, may be using potencies that have an effect other than the one we are aiming to have. Gil - The Kolisko's tracked this information and reported it in AGRICULTURE of TOMORROW, which, unfortunately, is out of print. What you say is correct: one potency may do wonders and the next 'higher' may do almost the opposite. Potentization, for the practical farmer, is something you want to know a lot about before you start using it on your crop lands or pastures. I was posting some of this this information to BD Now! last year, but the apparent lack of interest didn't make it seem worth the effort(s). For those in North America who want an introduction to potentization from an experienced practitioner, don't miss Glen Atkinson at the Mid-Atlantic Biodynamic Food and Farming Conference on Oct 4-6 of this year or his workshop later in the month in Northen California. -Allan
Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies
Allan: Sorry mate I thought it was an advertisement for your conference. Agriculture of Tomorrow is obviously a book relevant to where some BD practitioners are heading, does anyone know who we can approach to have it reprinted? David C David - Do you need to 'own it,' or would you like to discuss it? If there are people interested in discussing it, I don't mind posting exerpts of it to the list. No point, though, if no one is interested. -Allan
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Just because you got no response does not necessarily mean it was a waste of time - the digestive process in some of us is a bit slow sometimes. I'd have to disagree. If our efforts are not igniting sparks strong enough to return a little energy, I think our efforts are best put to other uses. I don't mind playing Prometheus for you folks, but I'm starting to feel like I'm co-dependent with harpies sometimes. For your deeper homeopathic under standings, read the writings of Hahnemann, the final edition of the Organon being a great place o start. I love this version: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1889613002/qid=1029027762/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/002-4532307-9090413 The is also a homeopathic pharmacopia (?) that provides recipes for most remedies and gives the principles behind potentizing most things. Ironically, here in the US, a homeopathic pharmacy cannot potentize a substance for me without a doctor's prescription (!)
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Hi! Allan, From what you say and from my look around the 'Net, it would seem that Kolisko's Agriclture of Tomorrow, is a work that would be good for us to work through as a group. It would seem that it is out of print, with the last publisher list it out of print. (At forty seven Pound fifty!!!). Could it be scanned and put on a Site, in whole or in part? And then at a time convenient to the leaders on the list, have some sort of protracted examination of the potency part at least. I think it would be good if as many as possible trialed the same potencies of our stock Preps and Cures and then posted our results so that as a group, we can build up a greater understanding of this very important aspect of homoeopathy and in our case, those potenising sprays and Preps for broadcasting. Gil Allan Balliett wrote: I posted the comment below in the hopes of stimulating some interest in posting and discussing the work of the Kolisko's through their monumental book, Agriclture of Tomorrow. Gosh, it didn't provoke a single rise. Is there really no interest on BD Now! in this most important work, which was initially directed by RS himself? -Allan
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What I think we really need is a forum / discussion led by Hugh Lovel and Glen Atkinson on this subject as it is at the stage now where a lot of people (myself included) are trying to use potentised remedies in various forms with no clear direction as to the outcome. I refer often to the Kolisko book and the work of Maria Thun and I dowse for what to do but thats all I have got! This 'forum' is what we are setting up at the Mid-Atlantic Biodynamic Food and Farming Conference. We have homeopath Will Winter and the Merlin of JPI, Hugh Courtney on hand, as well as Glen and Hugh. The discussion should become very interesting, I would think. In a different fashion, James DeMeo will certainly have contributions to make to this mix. As far as making recordings of the conference, we try to every year but we have never succeeded. Every year, for one reson or another, there are no tapes at the end of the weekend. But don't worry, Lloyd, I'm going to try to learn as much as I can and I'll be happy to share it with you! -Allan
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Dear Allan, Please publish as much as you like on the list. We can't get the book but it has passed once through this house. Barbara Hedley - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies Allan: Sorry mate I thought it was an advertisement for your conference. Agriculture of Tomorrow is obviously a book relevant to where some BD practitioners are heading, does anyone know who we can approach to have it reprinted? David C David - Do you need to 'own it,' or would you like to discuss it? If there are people interested in discussing it, I don't mind posting exerpts of it to the list. No point, though, if no one is interested. -Allan
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hi allen, lightning struck here in the process of bringing a bit of rain,and also blitzed the computer connection,so i've been unconnected. I'd always have heard about Kolisko but never read the work, barely having a handle on all the other bd related reading. Not everyone is at the same place and it helps to explain and introduce things, if you want a response. If the book is unavailable ,how can you read or discuss it. seems like I'm a kindergartner amongst the high school kids! but, i am interested in learning more if you are able to access it. count me in as 1 interested person. :)Sharon - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 6:40 AM Subject: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies I posted the comment below in the hopes of stimulating some interest in posting and discussing the work of the Kolisko's through their monumental book, Agriclture of Tomorrow. Gosh, it didn't provoke a single rise. Is there really no interest on BD Now! in this most important work, which was initially directed by RS himself? -Allan About eight or ten years ago, I heard a talk by an agricultural homoeopath, who stated some potencies sedated, while others stimulated, some are life supporting and some are life suppressing. I can't find my notes at the moment and I wondered if you had come across this or found it in the work you have done. I am concerned that some of us armed with only part knowledge, may be using potencies that have an effect other than the one we are aiming to have. Gil - The Kolisko's tracked this information and reported it in AGRICULTURE of TOMORROW, which, unfortunately, is out of print. What you say is correct: one potency may do wonders and the next 'higher' may do almost the opposite. Potentization, for the practical farmer, is something you want to know a lot about before you start using it on your crop lands or pastures. I was posting some of this this information to BD Now! last year, but the apparent lack of interest didn't make it seem worth the effort(s). For those in North America who want an introduction to potentization from an experienced practitioner, don't miss Glen Atkinson at the Mid-Atlantic Biodynamic Food and Farming Conference on Oct 4-6 of this year or his workshop later in the month in Northen California. -Allan
