Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq
In a message dated 9/10/02 9:13:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This could be as simple as increasing the number of people voting. If you get Americans to turn off the TV we will get them to vote...sstorch
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Maybe they should follow my lead. I have three TVs, but no antenna. I have VCRs on them and when some one thinks I should watch something, they record it and drop the tape in. Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/10/02 9:13:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This could be as simple as increasing the number of people voting. If you get Americans to turn off the TV we will get them to vote...sstorch
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Ditto, Gil. The quality of my life has increased since disconnecting the cable some 3 1/2 years ago. Patti. Gil Robertson wrote: Maybe they should follow my lead. I have three TVs, but no antenna. I have VCRs on them and when some one thinks I should watch something, they record it and drop the tape in. Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/10/02 9:13:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This could be as simple as increasing the number of people voting. If you get Americans to turn off the TV we will get them to vote...sstorch
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Hi! Patti, I rely on Radio for my daily information. I normally have it on the local station of the national broadcaster for all my waking hours, but have been turning it off the last few days because of the well orchestrated propaganda intended to try and soften us up for the planned commercial expansion Gil Patti Berg wrote: Ditto, Gil. The quality of my life has increased since disconnecting the cable some 3 1/2 years ago. Patti. Gil Robertson wrote: Maybe they should follow my lead. I have three TVs, but no antenna. I have VCRs on them and when some one thinks I should watch something, they record it and drop the tape in. Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/10/02 9:13:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This could be as simple as increasing the number of people voting. If you get Americans to turn off the TV we will get them to vote...sstorch
Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq
- Original Message - From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:56 AM Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq Allan, If I can buy in? From a Down Under perspective, we would see US politics, The Military and the Intelligence Services as all being puppets of the small number of people who command the money in the US and a number of other countries. If there was a will to have Government of the people, by the people voting would be compulsory. I understand that only around a third vote in most elections in the US. That means that the one who is hell bent on taking you, us and many others into a war on behalf of the US oil interests, was supported by something around a sixth of those of voting age. Four sixths can only blame them selves as they did not choose to vote. Gil Thanks Gil, Another down under view. I am very grateful I had the opportunity to visit U.S. and meet some fingers in the soil Americans while I was there. Its quite a different perspective to what one reads in the news papers. Cheers, Peter.
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antidote against the evil thoughts pervading the world (invisibly) and the hearts of the people (unconsciously) : Let All be Miserable and Afflicted in All Worlds (read understand : so we (the powerfull ones in the world) can continue undisturbed in our gorgeous occupation of just being the most powerfull and influencable while we lack of nothing. And let them -the people- think in illusion that they're living in heaven while they're living in hell (quote Bob Marley) It won't take more than that to overcome evil. Just love ! Conclusion : is Bush and others to blame for the situation. Is the press manipulated ? I would say maybe, maybe not. I'm also to be held responsible. What is important is to understand the mecanism of propagation of untruthful acts and thoughts. The world isn't our affair after all, it's God's one (I think many will jump on me for this one). He will look after it because He is the only one able to do it. As long as we think we have the answer we will have to continue to face the reactions. While *so many* have tried to make the world *a better place* since time immemorial and *all* have only succeeded to make it indeed a better place for a minority (feeding on poverty and so on...) we have ended up with an impossible (for us) situation. Has anyone another view about that last one ? If yes, I'm not (any more) interested to hear it. Pardon me, I'm heading back home. I give up all occupations besides my duties, the pursuit of selfish objectives besides the ones prescribed for me (feeding myself, earning my life for family welfare, ...) praying I might be liberated from the consequences thereof. Errare est humanum, perseverare est diabolicum (to make errors is humane, to persevere is evil). But do not blame or judge anyone because you can't say from outside who is leading a path of truth or not. An indian prayer was going as follows : May I never, never blame anyone before I would have walked in his shoes for one week A practical example : _ I reproduce the following hereafter (found somewhere on the internet) Please consider the following 2 questions honestly and try to answer for yourself. Question 1: If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis would you recommend that she have an abortion? Read the next question before scrolling down to the answer of this one. Question 2: It is time to elect a new world leader, and your vote counts. Here are the facts about the three leading candidates: Candidate A: Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologers. He's had two mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day. (joke note: isn't this every politician?) Candidate B: He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening. Candidate C: He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and hasn't had any extramarital affairs. Which of these candidates would be your choice? Decide first, no peeking, then scroll down for the answer. Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt Candidate B is Winston Churchill Candidate C is Adolph Hitler And by the way, the answer to the abortion question: If you said yes, you just killed Beethoven. Pretty interesting isn't it ? Makes a person think before judging someone. Remember amateurs built the ark - professionals built the Titanic. _ I love you all and I feel your love too, Roelof -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of kentjamescarson Sent: lundi 9 septembre 2002 04:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq the desparate truth is that american or perhaps all people are lazy given the choice. it is easier to buy cheap produce from the industrial machine than to relate to your local farmer and until there is no competition the local farmer will not be really supported. hard words but the truth as i see it so many people don't want to do the work. In love sharon. - Original Message - From: gary elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 4:11 PM Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq As a Canadian mouse living beside the American elephant, my take on the dullness of discourse that happens in the American main stream psyche is that they are like a gigantic booster club, generating a spirit of exceptionalism, that somehow character, ideas, and spirit are just inherently better in the USA than anywhere else in the world. But, in order to maintain this foggy myth, the American mainstream mind finds it necessary to block out anything foreign, and anything that might call into question this mindless mantra. The members
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Dear Friends, It's easy to blame the media in US for much of our problems, but being the wife of a ex investigative journalist I have come to understand that the media is not what you think. First of all, this country hasn't supported real journalism in more than a decade. And not everything is skewed just to sell products, (although I have often said there should be a special place in hell for advertisers). I think more of it is skewed to the political machine and it' own brand of hypnotism, strong arming and out and out manipulation. Curtis and I lived in Texas during the sl crisis, which he investigated at his own expense by reading public records and other tedious chores. No one would publish his findings that 500 billion or so in funds were missing from our s l's. No one in Texas but a tiny little austin paper would even publish his findings at all. When the rich and powerful are involved, you bet they're going to be in charge of the flow of information. Get ready for an avalanche of emotional pornography to come our way now as we line up to the 911 runway. Not real news. Love Light, Jane From: Moen Creek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 22:46:08 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq Ya Know folks, we need to be careful. By buying into our shared belief systems we can blind ourselves and fail to be awake enough so WE miss real light when it does shine in the populous. Here at the bureaucratic declared ground zero for chronic wasting. Folks of every walk of life are educating themselves and forming new original thoughts beliefs without direction from big daddy. On top of it the media are responding with great grace and caring for the populous. On the international scene is the megalithic media just responding to our expectations of them. Change our beliefs that they conspire are bafoons and they may surprise us with new expressions real information! Be the change we believe in and allow others to be where they can be, given their belief systems they will surprise us with change! In Love Light Markess
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As I read this news I am not shocked or worried, it feels like the way I felt when I heard about the wtc attack, kind of empty. This evening I sprayed a bc - 500 mix on a twenty five acre field. We are starting to cover crop and put fields to bed for the Winter. It is the strangest of feelings to have the knowledge of bd and be a healer of the earth while the war mongers have the limelite and all the money they require for murder. The American media has reported nothing about this attack. Has it really happened??? Being a Coney Island boy I have to wonder, what would Woody Guthrie be saying about this crap??? Cheers, from the land of Ahriman and Lucifer [the Hamptons], SStorch No Kidding, Storch, It IS quite a mind bender to be doing all one can to heal the earth while trillions are pouring into the grinders laying earth to waste. There's a lot of ignorance goes into the negative agenda, but you gotta figgure there's a lot of hate, envy, lust and general selfishness going into it too. It's like the evil demons are connecting each human to their evil agenda through their weaknesses and hooking the vast majority into wasting the earth. Though I don't think evil has to work so actively as all that. People only need to be susceptible and they fall into it under the influence of gravity. It's like standing on the brink and toppling in. The demons don't have any real power, they just exploit natural forces to suck people into foolishness. You take nitrogen fertilization. If you don't use any, you don't poison the natural soil food web that fixes nitrogen. If you use the BD remedies you boost the soil food web which includes the nitrogen fixation micro-organisms. When the process works properly you can plant sweet corn (even from bought in hybrid seed) without fertilizer and get an abundant crop and return an enormous amount of organic matter to the soil. Plant that patch over in rye/turnips/rape/mustard/crimson clover and you'll get the best turnips and fall greens (low nitrate) and then go back to corn again the next summer. Or rotate with potatoes, squash, okra, peppers, tomatoes, salad greens. There is value in diversity. But the uptake of nitrogen from the air by soil micro-organisms gives the plants amino acids instead of nitrogen salts and that means all the difference in quality. And it's free. When will folks learn? They are like the criminal working his butt off to make an illegal buck when it's a whole lot less trouble to make an honest one. I'm disappointed that it can be easier and cheaper to grow crops of the finest quality WITHOUT fertilizer, and people still pay good money for chemical fertilizers and poisons to get vastly inferior results. Mostly I think it is ignorance. We just had our best market day ever, and nothing was grown with compost. The soil was already alive with a good bacterial/fungal balance. And it had sufficient mineralization, though it wasn't up to the Albrecht model. But the BD remedies in our field broadcasters ensured good crops and we had the best produce at the market. Isn't it hard to argue with results? We had a lot of deer problems this year. Come to find out I thought we had a deer pepper in the broadcaster but we didn't. So I don't know where we stand there. But our okra was wiped out, half the cukes were eaten, all the beans, even the tomatoes and potatoes were eaten some. They pawed up the potatoes and ate them and decimated the beets once they discovered them. Still we've had a good year so far. 3 more months to go. I'm amazed people would put poison on food. Or gow it with expensive chemicals when no chemicals gets good yields of superior quality. Why? It's amazing. Best, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
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The strike was reported on CNN the morning after it happened, though was not a lot of discussion concerning it. Just another news item Don Thanks for this info, Don. Thats probably what we call 'a leak in the Matrix,' proof that we live in a free country where someone can actually post a story the Powers do not want to circulate before their management tells them that that story is not being covered. A similar story was the report of a 'terrorist' being shot outside of the World Trade Center the morning of Sept 11, hours before the attack. Although I talked to people who heard that broadcast, it's never been repeated to discussed to my knowledge since. -Allan
Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq
From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 06:58:56 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq The strike was reported on CNN the morning after it happened, though was not a lot of discussion concerning it. Just another news item Don Thanks for this info, Don. Thats probably what we call 'a leak in the Matrix,' proof that we live in a free country where someone can actually post a story the Powers do not want to circulate before their management tells them that that story is not being covered. A similar story was the report of a 'terrorist' being shot outside of the World Trade Center the morning of Sept 11, hours before the attack. Although I talked to people who heard that broadcast, it's never been repeated to discussed to my knowledge since. -Allan Allan, I rather doubt that there is an active system of news suppression in the US. I think its more a question of editorial sensitivity as to what their readers and listeners want to hear. For example, about six months back Noam Chomsky gave a lecture in Islamabad, attended by some two-thousand Pakistanian intelligensia, In which he was extremely critical of American foreign policy. There was a quite detailed report on it carried on the news services at the time, but categorized as an 'op Ed.' To my knowledge none of the major American networks picked up on the story, so that as far as the US public was concerned it might just as well not have happened. Don
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Also, as far as North America is concerned, Chomsky's book, published in Britain, does not exist. No publisher in the US was willing to publish it. It is highly critical of US gov't policies. Michael - Original Message - From: Eve Cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:07 AM Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 06:58:56 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq The strike was reported on CNN the morning after it happened, though was not a lot of discussion concerning it. Just another news item Don Thanks for this info, Don. Thats probably what we call 'a leak in the Matrix,' proof that we live in a free country where someone can actually post a story the Powers do not want to circulate before their management tells them that that story is not being covered. A similar story was the report of a 'terrorist' being shot outside of the World Trade Center the morning of Sept 11, hours before the attack. Although I talked to people who heard that broadcast, it's never been repeated to discussed to my knowledge since. -Allan Allan, I rather doubt that there is an active system of news suppression in the US. I think its more a question of editorial sensitivity as to what their readers and listeners want to hear. For example, about six months back Noam Chomsky gave a lecture in Islamabad, attended by some two-thousand Pakistanian intelligensia, In which he was extremely critical of American foreign policy. There was a quite detailed report on it carried on the news services at the time, but categorized as an 'op Ed.' To my knowledge none of the major American networks picked up on the story, so that as far as the US public was concerned it might just as well not have happened. Don
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Title: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq The Madison weekly paper Isthmus does carry his weekly column. But it's long been said that Madison 30square miles surrounded by reality. Markess From: mroboz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:40:46 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq Also, as far as North America is concerned, Chomsky's book, published in Britain, does not exist. No publisher in the US was willing to publish it. It is highly critical of US gov't policies. Michael
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At 09:40 AM 09/08/02 -0700, you wrote: Also, as far as North America is concerned, Chomsky's book, published in Britain, does not exist. No publisher in the US was willing to publish it. It is highly critical of US gov't policies. Michael - Original Message - All of Chomsky's many books are highly critical of US gov't policies. Is this a new book (written after his book: 9-11) and, if so, what's the title? Essie
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At 09:40 AM 09/08/02 -0700, you wrote: Also, as far as North America is concerned, Chomsky's book, published in Britain, does not exist. No publisher in the US was willing to publish it. It is highly critical of US gov't policies. Michael - Original Message - All of Chomsky's many books are highly critical of US gov't policies. Is this a new book (written after his book: 9-11) and, if so, what's the title? Essie If it is the book 9-11, I picked that one up at Borders -Allan
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Don - We've run pieces on BD Now! about the Matrix earlier. Put simply, it is essentially a coherent PR program that markets EVERYTHING to the American people. Management people by their nature have an innate sense of what the PR machine promotes and what it denies. That in itself is usually enough to 'keep the vision consistent.' Sometimes, though, a young reporter will post a story that gets out. It only gets out once, though. Management kills the follow-up or expansion. Like the story I heard on NPR one morning on the epidemic of e-coli contamination of meat in Japan. Or the one on how the Mormon Church owns 90 percent of the mass media in North America, and so on. Totalitarian? Business as Usual? Who knows, eh? Allan, I rather doubt that there is an active system of news suppression in the US. I think its more a question of editorial sensitivity as to what their readers and listeners want to hear. For example, about six months back Noam Chomsky gave a lecture in Islamabad, attended by some two-thousand Pakistanian intelligensia, In which he was extremely critical of American foreign policy. There was a quite detailed report on it carried on the news services at the time, but categorized as an 'op Ed.' To my knowledge none of the major American networks picked up on the story, so that as far as the US public was concerned it might just as well not have happened. Don
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I'm asking if he's written anything since he wrote 9-11. To my knowledge, that was published in the US. I've been looking for something from him any day now since Bush et al went so unabashedly off the deep end and our freedoms vanish by the moment. Essie At 02:49 PM 09/08/02 -0400, you wrote: At 09:40 AM 09/08/02 -0700, you wrote: Also, as far as North America is concerned, Chomsky's book, published in Britain, does not exist. No publisher in the US was willing to publish it. It is highly critical of US gov't policies. Michael - Original Message - All of Chomsky's many books are highly critical of US gov't policies. Is this a new book (written after his book: 9-11) and, if so, what's the title? Essie If it is the book 9-11, I picked that one up at Borders -Allan
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As a Canadian mouse living beside the American elephant, my take on the dullness of discourse that happens in the American main stream psyche is that they are like a gigantic booster club, generating a spirit of exceptionalism, that somehow character, ideas, and spirit are just inherently better in the USA than anywhere else in the world. But, in order to maintain this foggy myth, the American mainstream mind finds it necessary to block out anything foreign, and anything that might call into question this mindless mantra. The members of the Rotary Club ignore what is happening in the Lions Club. So, the media, in order to maintain their prime product, advertising, continue not to inform, but to stroke the masses to maintain the myth. There is something more sinister going on though, a cultural myopia to reality, and the lack of courage to challenge the status quo. Think of the USA as a large service club, started under the auspices of a profound and great charter, the Declaration of Independence, that has allowed itself to nudge, cajole , and often twist its Charter into something that the founding fathers would cry out against in alarm. Mythology can be dangerous. An example is the constant clamour I hear from Americans about our so called socialist health care system here in Canada. I always counter with Socialized health care? But what about the socialized sidewalks I see all over the USA? The government takes tax dollars from you, builds the sidewalks, and lets poor people and rich walk side by side on them. The most difficult chore for all of us cultivate a desperate need for the truth. And to learn to accept what we find. Gary Elliott . - Original Message - From: Essie Hull [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 3:15 PM Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq I'm asking if he's written anything since he wrote 9-11. To my knowledge, that was published in the US. I've been looking for something from him any day now since Bush et al went so unabashedly off the deep end and our freedoms vanish by the moment. Essie At 02:49 PM 09/08/02 -0400, you wrote: At 09:40 AM 09/08/02 -0700, you wrote: Also, as far as North America is concerned, Chomsky's book, published in Britain, does not exist. No publisher in the US was willing to publish it. It is highly critical of US gov't policies. Michael - Original Message - All of Chomsky's many books are highly critical of US gov't policies. Is this a new book (written after his book: 9-11) and, if so, what's the title? Essie If it is the book 9-11, I picked that one up at Borders -Allan
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the desparate truth is that american or perhaps all people are lazy given the choice. it is easier to buy cheap produce from the industrial machine than to relate to your local farmer and until there is no competition the local farmer will not be really supported. hard words but the truth as i see it so many people don't want to do the work. In love sharon. - Original Message - From: gary elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 4:11 PM Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq As a Canadian mouse living beside the American elephant, my take on the dullness of discourse that happens in the American main stream psyche is that they are like a gigantic booster club, generating a spirit of exceptionalism, that somehow character, ideas, and spirit are just inherently better in the USA than anywhere else in the world. But, in order to maintain this foggy myth, the American mainstream mind finds it necessary to block out anything foreign, and anything that might call into question this mindless mantra. The members of the Rotary Club ignore what is happening in the Lions Club. So, the media, in order to maintain their prime product, advertising, continue not to inform, but to stroke the masses to maintain the myth. There is something more sinister going on though, a cultural myopia to reality, and the lack of courage to challenge the status quo. Think of the USA as a large service club, started under the auspices of a profound and great charter, the Declaration of Independence, that has allowed itself to nudge, cajole , and often twist its Charter into something that the founding fathers would cry out against in alarm. Mythology can be dangerous. An example is the constant clamour I hear from Americans about our so called socialist health care system here in Canada. I always counter with Socialized health care? But what about the socialized sidewalks I see all over the USA? The government takes tax dollars from you, builds the sidewalks, and lets poor people and rich walk side by side on them. The most difficult chore for all of us cultivate a desperate need for the truth. And to learn to accept what we find. Gary Elliott . - Original Message - From: Essie Hull [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 3:15 PM Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq I'm asking if he's written anything since he wrote 9-11. To my knowledge, that was published in the US. I've been looking for something from him any day now since Bush et al went so unabashedly off the deep end and our freedoms vanish by the moment. Essie At 02:49 PM 09/08/02 -0400, you wrote: At 09:40 AM 09/08/02 -0700, you wrote: Also, as far as North America is concerned, Chomsky's book, published in Britain, does not exist. No publisher in the US was willing to publish it. It is highly critical of US gov't policies. Michael - Original Message - All of Chomsky's many books are highly critical of US gov't policies. Is this a new book (written after his book: 9-11) and, if so, what's the title? Essie If it is the book 9-11, I picked that one up at Borders -Allan
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Ya Know folks, we need to be careful. By buying into our shared belief systems we can blind ourselves and fail to be awake enough so WE miss real light when it does shine in the populous. Here at the bureaucratic declared ground zero for chronic wasting. Folks of every walk of life are educating themselves and forming new original thoughts beliefs without direction from big daddy. On top of it the media are responding with great grace and caring for the populous. On the international scene is the megalithic media just responding to our expectations of them. Change our beliefs that they conspire are bafoons and they may surprise us with new expressions real information! Be the change we believe in and allow others to be where they can be, given their belief systems they will surprise us with change! In Love Light Markess
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It certainly has happened, and as an Englishman I am astounded that the US media has reported nothing about it. Is the US press really so insular? I have to wonder just how much the US public knows about what is going on in the rest of the world - not knowing about this kind of thing is exactly why the events of Sept 11th came as such a shock to the American public in general. Maybe the US media hasn't reported all of the other actions against Iraq? (some 110 in the past two years?). I receive 'news headlines' from the NY Times each morning. So far, this has not been mentioned. (I don't watch tv news.) -Allan
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Another wonderful reason to receive GlobalNews!! The real news that the US does not see fit to print... -- I receive 'news headlines' from the NY Times each morning. So far, this has not been mentioned. (I don't watch tv news.) -Allan -- End of Forwarded Message
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From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 11:13:34 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq It certainly has happened, and as an Englishman I am astounded that the US media has reported nothing about it. Is the US press really so insular? I have to wonder just how much the US public knows about what is going on in the rest of the world - not knowing about this kind of thing is exactly why the events of Sept 11th came as such a shock to the American public in general. Maybe the US media hasn't reported all of the other actions against Iraq? (some 110 in the past two years?). I receive 'news headlines' from the NY Times each morning. So far, this has not been mentioned. (I don't watch tv news.) -Allan The strike was reported on CNN the morning after it happened, though was not a lot of discussion concerning it. Just another news item Don
OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq
Title: OT:FW: [globalnews] 100 jets join attack on Iraq I know there are those of you who would like to live on this list in the unreal vacuum of Agriculture only, but I feel it my duty to post these types of articles for those of you who are only exposed to mainstream news. Please dont bother the list with angry retorts to me about posting this. I think it is ON topic, but have added the OT prefix in subject as I have been instructed to do. Blessings May we all work for Peace, Jane S. UK Telegraph 100 jets join attack on Iraq By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent (Filed: 06/09/2002) About 100 American and British aircraft took part in an attack on Iraq's major western air defence installation yesterday in the biggest single operation over the country for four years. Click to enlarge The raid appeared to be a prelude to the type of special forces operations that would have to begin weeks before a possible American-led war. It was launched two days before a war summit between President George W Bush and Tony Blair in America. The Prime Minister promised that Britain would be alongside the Americans when the shooting starts. The raid seemed designed to destroy air defences to allow easy access for special forces helicopters to fly into Iraq via Jordan or Saudi Arabia to hunt down Scud missiles before a possible war within the next few months. Although only 12 aircraft dropped precision-guided bombs on to the H3 airfield, 240 miles west of Baghdad and close to Jordan, many support aircraft took part. The strikes were carried out by nine American F15 Strike Eagles and three RAF Tornado GR4 ground attack aircraft flying from Kuwait. At least seven types of aircraft took part. Fighter cover was provided by US F-16 Fighting Falcons and RAF Tornado F3s from Saudi Arabia. RAF VC10 tanker aircraft flying from Bahrain were among the support aircraft. These also included EA6b Prowlers, which send out signals to confuse enemy radar, and E3a Awacs aircraft that co-ordinate operations and carry out reconnaissance of any response. RAF Tornados also took part in the reconnaissance. American central command refused to go into detail about the number of aircraft involved in the raid. It said: Coalition strikes in the no-fly zones are executed as a self-defence measure in response to Iraqi hostile threats and acts against coalition forces and their aircraft. The Pentagon said that the raid was launched in response to recent Iraqi hostile acts against coalition aircraft monitoring the southern no-fly zone. Iraq had made 130 attempts to shoot down coalition aircraft this year. The Ministry of Defence in London refused to confirm that RAF aircraft had taken part, but defence sources said that Tornado ground attack and reconnaissance aircraft played a key role. The attack on what the American central command described as an air defence command and control facility was the first time that a target in western Iraq had been attacked during the patrols of the southern no-fly zone. Until yesterday, all strikes had been against air defence sites in the south, around Basra, Amara, Nassairya and Baghdad. Central command said it was still assessing the damage caused by the attack. If the air defence installation was not destroyed, a second raid is expected. As well as blinding Iraqi radar to any special forces helicopters, the loss of the H3 installation would allow allied aircraft mounting major raids on Iraq a trouble-free route into the country. In a further sign that America was preparing for war, a Pentagon official confirmed that heavy armour, ammunition and other equipment had been moved to Kuwait from huge stores in Qatar. Thomas White, the army secretary, said: We have done a lot with pre-positioned stocks in the Gulf, making sure that they are in the right spot to support whatever the president wants to do. Any war on Iraq is likely to begin with a gradual intensification of attacks on air defences. But yesterday's raid appears more likely to be related to the special forces Scud hunts. It was the SAS which specialised in the attempts to hunt down the Scuds during the Gulf war. Although the raids were largely unsuccessful, they spawned a series of rival books by former members of the regiment. Mr Bush, speaking in Louisville, Kentucky, said that, besides having talks with Mr Blair, he would be meeting the leaders of France, Russia, China and Canada over the next few days. He would tell them that history has called us into action to oust Saddam Hussein, the president of Iraq. He said he was looking forward to the talks, but suggested that the US could do the job on its own if need be. I am a patient man, he said. I've got tools; we've got tools at our disposal. We cannot let the world's worst leaders blackmail, threaten, hold freedom-loving nations hostage with the world's worst weapons. 5 September 2002: Bush steers clear course towards war 5 September 2002: Bush faces long wait to build
