Re: Clinton not Bush
This is as unlikely a place for a discussion of the life and times of Frank Zappa as I could imagine. Imagine writing a paper entitled 'Rudolf Steiner and Frank Zappa: a BD take on the crux of the biscuit'! No, I don't think 'Dynamo Hum' or 'Cosmic Debris' qualify as new age hits, python boots or no python boots. On the other hand, naming your daughter 'Moon Unit' seems a touch more New Agey somehow One thing about Al Gore, he did write a preface to Our Stolen Future, www.ourstolenfuture.org. Frank Teuton---reminding everyone to not eat yellow snow..it is that time of year, eh? - Original Message - From: "Lance Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Clinton not Bush > I believe Zappa was a Republican, although his politics seemed more > libertarian. He certainly didn't espouse any "new age" philosophies as far > as I know. (Lance whose garage band played covers of Freak Out songs in the > 60s- which is not quite saying "I knew FZ and you're no FZ") > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 7:57 AM > Subject: Re: Clinton not Bush > > > > >I'm not certain change will come from politics and elected officials. I > > >voted for Nadar too, really 'cause of his running mate, and I hated the > > >thought of Gore in office...(being an old hippie (er' I mean a young one) > > >it's hard to forget Tipper's censorship of rock' n' roll. > > > > Hey, when chairman Senator Al Gore lost his composure like a child > > while telling > > > would-have-been-presidential-candidate-in-the-near-future-if-he-had-not-died > -of-very-rapidly-growing-prostate-cancer > > hearing witness Frank Zappa that he had been a 'fan of yours, Mr > > Zappa, for my entire life,' I have to admit, I had more hope for ol' > > Al than he ever deserved. > > > > I also heard him give a fine address on CSpan recently. In his > > self-introduction he mentioned his life in politics with a line > > something like this "You know, you either win or your lose and in > > just a very few instances something other than that happens." > > > > Environmentalist he wasn't, but often there was a glimpse of a real > > human being within the deepsea diving outfit he always seems to be > > wearing under his suit. -Allan > > >
Re: Clinton not Bush
I believe Zappa was a Republican, although his politics seemed more libertarian. He certainly didn't espouse any "new age" philosophies as far as I know. (Lance whose garage band played covers of Freak Out songs in the 60s- which is not quite saying "I knew FZ and you're no FZ") - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 7:57 AM Subject: Re: Clinton not Bush > >I'm not certain change will come from politics and elected officials. I > >voted for Nadar too, really 'cause of his running mate, and I hated the > >thought of Gore in office...(being an old hippie (er' I mean a young one) > >it's hard to forget Tipper's censorship of rock' n' roll. > > Hey, when chairman Senator Al Gore lost his composure like a child > while telling > would-have-been-presidential-candidate-in-the-near-future-if-he-had-not-died -of-very-rapidly-growing-prostate-cancer > hearing witness Frank Zappa that he had been a 'fan of yours, Mr > Zappa, for my entire life,' I have to admit, I had more hope for ol' > Al than he ever deserved. > > I also heard him give a fine address on CSpan recently. In his > self-introduction he mentioned his life in politics with a line > something like this "You know, you either win or your lose and in > just a very few instances something other than that happens." > > Environmentalist he wasn't, but often there was a glimpse of a real > human being within the deepsea diving outfit he always seems to be > wearing under his suit. -Allan >
Re: Clinton not Bush
Dear Friends, Both Clinton and Bush have acted as hand puppets for corporate interests like Enron. For a detailed description of this interaction see: http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Chin020102/chin020102.html -- With kindest regards, Barry Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2319 Balm Baker City, Oregon 97814 Phone: 541-523-3357 Web Pages: Forest - http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/bmnfa/index.htm ORMUS - http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/whatisit.htm In my first thirty years of life I roamed hundreds and thousands of miles. Walked by rivers through deep green grass Entered cities of boiling red dust. Tried drugs, but couldn't make Immortal; Read books and wrote poems on history. Today I'm back a Cold Mountain: I'll sleep by the creek and purify my ears. -Han-shan from Cold Mountain Poems by Gary Snyder
Re: Clinton not Bush
>I'm not certain change will come from politics and elected officials. I >voted for Nadar too, really 'cause of his running mate, and I hated the >thought of Gore in office...(being an old hippie (er' I mean a young one) >it's hard to forget Tipper's censorship of rock' n' roll. Hey, when chairman Senator Al Gore lost his composure like a child while telling would-have-been-presidential-candidate-in-the-near-future-if-he-had-not-died-of-very-rapidly-growing-prostate-cancer hearing witness Frank Zappa that he had been a 'fan of yours, Mr Zappa, for my entire life,' I have to admit, I had more hope for ol' Al than he ever deserved. I also heard him give a fine address on CSpan recently. In his self-introduction he mentioned his life in politics with a line something like this "You know, you either win or your lose and in just a very few instances something other than that happens." Environmentalist he wasn't, but often there was a glimpse of a real human being within the deepsea diving outfit he always seems to be wearing under his suit. -Allan
Re: Clinton not Bush
I'm not certain change will come from politics and elected officials. I voted for Nadar too, really 'cause of his running mate, and I hated the thought of Gore in office...(being an old hippie (er' I mean a young one) it's hard to forget Tipper's censorship of rock' n' roll. Real change must come from spirit first. If we can heal the hearts of men and women, we can create political change. Just putting some other stooge in office ain't gonna cut it. JS - Original Message - From: "Robert Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 8:02 AM Subject: Re: Clinton not Bush Hey - not *my* president! I voted for Ralph Nader. And Bush should not have been elected. He used the power of the white male elite, as embodied by the Supreme Court, to steal the election. Any action he takes here is colored by that theft. I thought the UPI article reflected Bush's criminality quite accurately! -- Robert Farr (540) 668-7160 Check out http://www.thechileman.com for Hot Sauces, Salsas, Mustards & More!
Re: Clinton not Bush
Michael said, (snip)"Please note that Bush's daughters have gotten in trouble with the law and now his neice. Hardly made the news, but, if Clinton's daughter...". Actually Michael, her drunken f'ed up photo has been appearing on the news aplenty. I certainly wouldn't bother to defend any of those children. Sympathy perhaps... As Allan said, there is no choice in this country. Too many amnesiacs walking around. Hope you all had an inspirational quickening yesterday. Here the light was splendid, we finally had some cold weather (short supply this winter) here outside of NYC. However we are in a severe drought, having received little rain all year and last, and no snow basically. My plants are so confused in the yard: irises popping up, rose leaf buds, golden willow branch tips. All way ahead of schedule. The earth needs our prayers, as for the children of these politicians, well, we all have our karma to deal with. Blessings, Jane
Re: Clinton not Bush
So-called "Democratic" process. The primaries and the way the candidates are set up for election is not the most democratic system in the world. The British Parliamentary system (which Canada uses for now) is a little more democratic where anybody could run, even more than one candidate in the same party, if they had enough backing. That has not happened since the 1970's, but, it is possible. With the American system, only one candidate is brought forward from each party in the end, to be elected, by a small proportion of the electorate historically. Please note that Bush's daughters have gotten in trouble with the law and now his neice. Hardly made the news, but, if Clinton's daughter would have done the same thing, it would have been political fodder for a month. M from C - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:34 AM Subject: Re: Clinton not Bush > >It is the selection process that sets up Americans to sometimes elect the > >"worst" rather than "better". As Tony N-S said, not only do Americans > >suffer for it, but, also the rest of the world. Michael > > What selection process, Michael? > > You mean like Gary Hart and his womanizing or John John Kennedy's > plane going down days after he confided to friends that he was ready > to enter politics? > > As with Hitler's rise, 30 years of assasination of the good and the > bright will make most anyone look good to those who live the > unreflected life > >
Re: Clinton not Bush
Y'know, there are times when the rest of the world feels that US Americans (present company excepted, natch) _deserve_ the bum Presidents which they elect... Pity that we have to suffer from their activities, too, though ! Tony N-S.
Re: Clinton not Bush (as reluctant bomber)
Allan - I'm not entirely sure that bombing the Muslim world, by whatever instigation, is necessarily the best indicator of a good President... Tony N-S.
Re: Clinton not Bush
It is the selection process that sets up Americans to sometimes elect the "worst" rather than "better". As Tony N-S said, not only do Americans suffer for it, but, also the rest of the world. Michael > Y'know, there are times when the rest of the world feels that US Americans > (present company excepted, natch) _deserve_ the bum Presidents which they > elect... Pity that we have to suffer from their activities, too, though ! > Tony N-S. > >
Re: Clinton not Bush
>And Bush should not have been elected. He used the power of the white >male elite, as embodied by the Supreme Court, to steal the election. Whenever we promote race as an issue we are playing right into the hands of the elite. Race is used to divide us and to keep our eyes off from the real problems. Haven't you found your Commie and Socialist friends to be working for the welfare of all beings, not just their own race? Besides, there must be a better way to describe a body that includes that Coke-sucker Clarence Thomas and at least two women, I mean, there's something in all of this for them, too, isn't there? Equal opportunity exploitation, no? It looks like this Poppa Bush sculpted crew may soon have a chance to shine again for Texas if Cheney's refusal to cooperate with Congress falls into their lap. -Allan
Re: Clinton not Bush
Hey - not *my* president! I voted for Ralph Nader. And Bush should not have been elected. He used the power of the white male elite, as embodied by the Supreme Court, to steal the election. Any action he takes here is colored by that theft. I thought the UPI article reflected Bush's criminality quite accurately! -- Robert Farr (540) 668-7160 Check out http://www.thechileman.com for Hot Sauces, Salsas, Mustards & More!
Re: Clinton not Bush
>Dear Robert, > > Certain people were out to get Clinton any way they could. This >does not seem to be the case with YOUR present President, who, >besides, should NOT have been the one that was elected to office in >the first place. >Cheers, Michael from Canada. Michael, I'm not really certain what you are saying in the above paragraph, but, I think it is important to note that George Bush started bombing in the Moslem world on his own volition, but Bill Clinton waited to start his bombing of the Moslem world until his impeachment was all but certain. Once the bombs fell on Iraq in an operation that appeared simultaneously to be completely pointless and totally sadistic, the impeachment simply lifted from Bill Clinton's shoulders. What bigger disbursement from the public coffers to the private sector that calls the shots can occur than a few sessions of carpet bombing? -Allan
