Re: changing focus 501
Hi Roger, Good on yer mate for thinking outside the square, welcome to the club. I did some of this about twenty years ago. My emphasis now is to see where the boundary is between benefit and damage. Horn Quartz's intended use is to enhance the ripening process and as Hugh Lovel has pointed out to indirectly increase the protien quantity and quality taken up by the plant. Very sorry to hear about the fires around your part of the world. We got some of your smoke in our atmosphere in N.Z. gave us some very red sun sets. Hope you get a good rain soon! We all need to learn to comunicate better with the elemental beings so they don't feel the need to create storms of fire, wind, water of ice. We need to appreciate the good work they do. Cheers Peter. - Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: Re: changing focus 501 Lloyd Charles wrote: but I dont agree with the claim of 'ownership'. Offering to pay my internet, research, travel and accommodation costs, are you, Lloyd? :) ps none of this will work without some rain - have not had any yet!! This seems a very categoric statement - can you back it up for me please? roger -- Roger In ordinary circumstances I would find this post very offensive (and very out of character for you) - these are not ordinary circumstances and you have had a very trying time - and its not over yet - dont get uptight about ownership - there was a prior claim to similar work (James) so what! I bet Glen Atkinson has looked at this too. I have been doing work with potentised preps for a couple of years - have a trial on right now with radionic compost preps making barrel compost - the whole world is welcome to the results good or bad when its done. I wasn't aware that I was getting uptight about ownership, all I did was stake a claim to a procedure I thought of 14 months ago and tested and which looks as if it will be of benefit to the farming, and therefore the whole, community. My motive in doing so has very little to do with personal gain and a lot to do with stopping people from going off half-cocked in putting my idea into practice without talking to me first to make sure they do it correctly. If I wanted to make significant money out of anything I would hardly be discussing it on a public forum like this one, now would I? I researched BD501 and its uses from January to June last year on the internet and in libraries. I found nothing of James' research and tests or Glen's, or yours. At that time I did not even know that BDNOW! existed and had never heard of radionics; I joined the list the same day in August that I found out about it. Nor had I met James Hedley. If the fact of any research and the results are not published anywhere accessible in an easily recognisable or indexable form, then I feel I can hardly be blamed for thinking that what I am doing is original. If I have offended you, Lloyd, or anyone else then I apologise because that was not my intention. Nor am I denigrating or seeking to take away from anyone's research. Now I don't want to get bogged down on this. Too many things on this list do get bogged down on side issues. In the post you have taken exception to, Lloyd, I asked why you thought rain was needed, and now I am asking you again. cheers roger
Re: changing focus 501
Lloyd wrote 2. If your result at Dalgety was a quarter as good as Rogers description of it we could use 501 mid day to flatten those regrowth weeds that cause us to have to cultivate our fallow - we could even take stubbles through to another crop - no till BD!! Hi Lloyd are you thinking about established weeds or weed seedlings? I am just thinking about how this might work in stale seed bed situation where you cultivate and then zap emerging weed seeds. How many times could you do this in season with out throwing things out of kilter? Would 501 have a greater impact on roots of perennial weeds then say a weed burner? Cheers Tony Robinson NZ Down Under
Re: changing focus 501
Hi Lloyd are you thinking about established weeds or weed seedlings? How many times could you do this in season with out throwing things out of kilter? Hi Tony I am thinking of seedling weeds - I'd like to try this - probably will small scale - but am wary of possible side affects, there's no way to measure that, and if we got this wrong considerable damage could be done, I will try potentised 501 and would think it would need to be different from normal application - so possibly a coarse spray during the day directed down onto the weeds and soil surface - you have identified the major problem - can we do this without throwing things too far out of kilter? - for sure we would need a balancing treatment to follow up. Glen Atkinson has probably done all this ages ago. I note also that Roger combined a weed pepper and has yet to prove the result. As I said in my other message, peppering in our fallow situation is not feasible as we are only after a temporary effect on many species. I guess I'd reinforce Rogers caution on this but I dont agree with the claim of 'ownership'. Cheers Lloyd Charles ps none of this will work without some rain - have not had any yet!!
Re: changing focus 501
Lloyd Charles wrote: but I dont agree with the claim of 'ownership'. Offering to pay my internet, research, travel and accommodation costs, are you, Lloyd? :) ps none of this will work without some rain - have not had any yet!! This seems a very categoric statement - can you back it up for me please? roger --
Re: changing focus 501
Lloyd Charles wrote: but I dont agree with the claim of 'ownership'. Offering to pay my internet, research, travel and accommodation costs, are you, Lloyd? :) ps none of this will work without some rain - have not had any yet!! This seems a very categoric statement - can you back it up for me please? roger -- Roger In ordinary circumstances I would find this post very offensive (and very out of character for you) - these are not ordinary circumstances and you have had a very trying time - and its not over yet - dont get uptight about ownership - there was a prior claim to similar work (James) so what! I bet Glen Atkinson has looked at this too. I have been doing work with potentised preps for a couple of years - have a trial on right now with radionic compost preps making barrel compost - the whole world is welcome to the results good or bad when its done. I wasn't aware that I was getting uptight about ownership, all I did was stake a claim to a procedure I thought of 14 months ago and tested and which looks as if it will be of benefit to the farming, and therefore the whole, community. My motive in doing so has very little to do with personal gain and a lot to do with stopping people from going off half-cocked in putting my idea into practice without talking to me first to make sure they do it correctly. If I wanted to make significant money out of anything I would hardly be discussing it on a public forum like this one, now would I? I researched BD501 and its uses from January to June last year on the internet and in libraries. I found nothing of James' research and tests or Glen's, or yours. At that time I did not even know that BDNOW! existed and had never heard of radionics; I joined the list the same day in August that I found out about it. Nor had I met James Hedley. If the fact of any research and the results are not published anywhere accessible in an easily recognisable or indexable form, then I feel I can hardly be blamed for thinking that what I am doing is original. If I have offended you, Lloyd, or anyone else then I apologise because that was not my intention. Nor am I denigrating or seeking to take away from anyone's research. Now I don't want to get bogged down on this. Too many things on this list do get bogged down on side issues. In the post you have taken exception to, Lloyd, I asked why you thought rain was needed, and now I am asking you again. cheers roger
changing focus 501 (longish)
Hi James A while back you and Roger were playing around with some 501 killing lovegrass, as I said in my post to Liz I looked for the problem at the time and did'nt see the rest of the picture. I think at the time I asked Roger to tell the effect of the treatment on other (desirable) species, but I have cleaned out my computer since so I may be mistaken there, anyway I have no reply to that. I've addressed this to the list also , hoping that we might generate some useful thoughts. As you are aware we are in the grain business, wheat, barley,oats, and legume pastures for some sheep. maybe we should be doing something else but its a popular pastime in my neck of the woods and seems like the thing to do given the climate and equipment we have. 1 - Its imperative that we conserve every skerrick of moisture that we can between crops and at the start of the crop phase - that means a 5 to 8 month fallow period of some kind - I'm not certified so I have two choices, neither that attractive - a= retain stubble and use herbicide to stop plant growth or b= excessive cultivation which is basically where the organic certified guys are stuck 2. If your result at Dalgety was a quarter as good as Rogers description of it we could use 501 mid day to flatten those regrowth weeds that cause us to have to cultivate our fallow - we could even take stubbles through to another crop - no till BD!! I think I am starting to get a handle on non toxic weed control in crop - nutritional tactics with foliars and the refractometer and use of peppers , we seem to be making some progress and I think we will get that figured out over time where we have the growing crop as a competitor 3. nutrition and peppering won't do the job in the fallow period as we have volunteer crop plants and otherwise valuable pasture species growing - dont want to pepper these, we need them later! just need to stop these for the fallow period only. also can't use nutrition as we are coming into a time we want to grow similar plants for profit. 4 In one of the recent Greg Willis posts he referred to the work of Glen Atkinson and Peter Bacchus Homeopathically treated remedies, Glen and Peter have proven, do not carry over into the adjacent field, or, if carefully applied, much into the adjacent PLANT. For the first time since the 1930's, we have a real tool to work with. I can carefully apply a homeopathic 501 to selected paddocks easy and cheap and I am set up to do it. I AM TALKING SPRAYING IT ON NOT BROADCAST. 5 OK so far so good - looks too good to be true - there must be a down side ? my major concern with this , and what I would like you (all) to comment on is what will this do to atmospheric conditions and what is the best way to counter it - restore the balance if you like - here I'm thinking a radionic broadcast a few days after the initial 501 spraying ??? 6There is no question the preps are powerful medicine - much more so than most of us realise. I have seen first hand the effect of 501 / 508 on the atmosphere from a field broadcaster - not something to be careless with! So James (and others) what do you all think about this - if it would work without causing damage it would be a valuable tool - as an afterthought maybe we could boost this a bit with a little vinegar/ citric acid spray Cheers all Lloyd Charles
