Re: prep making illegal in the EU
Dear Michael, Thankyou very much, hope you are having a great summer over there. We are approaching the shortest day so daylight is valuable at present. The pasture grass on the paddocks round us are still growing at full speed here as the soil hasn't cooled too much yet. Cheers, Peter. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Thanks Gil GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Gil Robertson To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:41 PM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU My info is out of date, but when I was in the UK, Homoeopathics were regarded as so dilute they had no possible original content in physical terms and were only an energy imprint. I think they had to be more than 4X. They, at that time did not require registration under the farm chemical system. Thus I would have thought they would be excluded. I would assume that the Preps. made with Rae Cards would also be able to be used. ( A considerable proportion of Homoeopathics are produced using Radionic Instruaments).I guess that when making and stirring, one is handling the physical material, so maybe there is some perceived risk.When I was there they said there had been no disease problems on any organic property and interestingly, nor had there been on any adjoining property that would have resulted in the organic property being affected. As I am sure every one knows, all out breaks were on the internet and one could check how close they were to any other property.GilGaruda wrote: Gil Excluded from use or excluded from the ban? GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: "Gil Robertson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU My understanding is that Homoeopathic Preps are excluded. Would it be that Preps made using Rae Cards, be also excluded? Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: Folks - I don't know about the illegality of making the preps but I suppose it has been technically illegal to use them, at least in the UK, for some longish time. Correctly speaking, only substances/chemicals approved by the Ministry of Agriculture and so labelled may be used, even in private gardens. It is thus against the law to apply (for example) common salt, as this is not an approved chemical. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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What seems to be ignored is that farming biologically and biodynamically is the remedy or at least the preventative of many if not all these mentioned horrible diseases. Therefore good biodynamic farming should be welcomed with open arms and the strongest encouragement. Peter. It is true about the making of the preparations being illegal here in Europe at the moment. The problem is in the burying of the organs; after all the animal diseases that we have had the last years (BSE, foot and mouth, chicken disease now in Holland, etc) legislation has become very strict on what you can and can't do with animal organs. So we either have to make them illegally, or ? There have been some experiments in Holland by a creative BDfarmer who made the preparations without the organs, by putting the herbs at a certain place in a replica Cheops pyramide. Apparantly there are different levels in the pyramide, that correspond with ...? I would love to hear from other people if they have any alternative ways of manufacturing the preparations. What are these Rae cards that Loyd was writing about last week? Apparantly there has been a lot of creativity in applying them (broadcasters, BDmax ready-sprays, orgon accumulators), but how about making them? Does everybody here follow the basic recipe? Arjen Huese ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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- Original Message - From: Lawrence Lampson To: mroiboz Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:35 AM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU Hi Michael, The new Health regulation for the whole European Economic Community which has just come into effect, is staggering. I don't know all of the ramifications, but I understand that the use of animal parts other than specified uses is prohibited. Even sausages can no longer be made with natural gut any where in Europe.The wording of this law, is so tight , that it says ," if it is not specifically allowed, then it is strictlydisallowed" Whichpreparations don't use animal parts!!! the stinging nettle,and Valerian! is it not splitting hairs? for all intents and purposes the making of the preparations, and various homeopathic remedies which the Wala, and Weleda make are prohibited in Europe. I have been sent all of the material which the international working group for the Preparations has been dealing worth, if you can read German you are most welcome to copies. Is this not a huge opportunity to ask ourselves what is Biodynamics if you take away the Preps? Are the preps really understood? Regards Lawrence - Original Message - From: mroiboz To: lawrence duncan lampson Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 7:47 AM Subject: Fw: prep making illegal in the EU Dear Lawrence, This is not quite true, only certain preps that use animal parts, is that correct? Cheers, M. - Original Message - From: The Korrows To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:45 AM Subject: prep making illegal in the EU Dear Friends, I have just read in Anthroposophy Worldwide that as of May 1, 2003, it is illegal to make BD preps in the EU. Demeter international has opened an office in Brussels, the capitol, in order to have a presence and develop some good relations with the government people who make the decisions. At the time of publication, an editors note indicated that there was the possibility of the government reaching some kind of 'comprimise' in regards to this issue. I could easily see this happening in the US as a precautionary measure, although I doubt many government officials know that BD exists. Christy ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
Gil Excluded from use or excluded from the ban? GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU My understanding is that Homoeopathic Preps are excluded. Would it be that Preps made using Rae Cards, be also excluded? Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: Folks - I don't know about the illegality of making the preps but I suppose it has been technically illegal to use them, at least in the UK, for some longish time. Correctly speaking, only substances/chemicals approved by the Ministry of Agriculture and so labelled may be used, even in private gardens. It is thus against the law to apply (for example) common salt, as this is not an approved chemical. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
if you can read German you are most welcome to copies. Is this not a huge opportunity to ask ourselves what is Biodynamics if you take away the Preps? Are the preps really understood? Regards Lawrence Hi Laurence, I would appreciate a copy, Is it on line? do you have it in e-document form? Regards, Peter. - Original Message - From: mroiboz To: lawrence duncan lampson Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 7:47 AM Subject: Fw: prep making illegal in the EU ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Dear Peter, Lawrence is not on BDNOW!, but, I will pass him your post. Lawrence is physcially 30 km away as the crow flies, but, as one needs a ferry to get across Georgia Strait to Vancouver Island, the whole trip is about 4 hrs.by surface transport. Lawrence's email addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Michael Roboz N. Vancouver BC, Canada - Original Message - From: Peter Michael Bacchus To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:40 PM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU if you can read German you are most welcome to copies. Is this not a huge opportunity to ask ourselves what is Biodynamics if you take away the Preps? Are the preps really understood? Regards Lawrence Hi Laurence, I would appreciate a copy, Is it on line? do you have it in e-document form? Regards, Peter. - Original Message - From: mroiboz To: lawrence duncan lampson Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 7:47 AM Subject: Fw: prep making illegal in the EU ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
prep making illegal in the EU
Dear Friends, I have just read in Anthroposophy Worldwide that as of May 1, 2003, it is illegal to make BD preps in the EU. Demeter international has opened an office in Brussels, the capitol, in order to have a presence and develop some good relations with the government people who make the decisions. At the time of publication, an editors note indicated that there was the possibility of the government reaching some kind of 'comprimise' in regards to this issue. I could easily see this happening in the US as a precautionary measure, although I doubt many government officials know that BD exists. Christy ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Folks - I don't know about the illegality of making the preps but I suppose it has been technically illegal to use them, at least in the UK, for some longish time. Correctly speaking, only substances/chemicals approved by the Ministry of Agriculture and so labelled may be used, even in private gardens. It is thus against the law to apply (for example) common salt, as this is not an approved chemical. For non-commercial gardeners, the obvious question is How would they know? - furthermore, charges of using an obviously harmless substance, merely because it has not been approved, would surely be laughed out of court. I guess that the situation would be very different for a commercial grower.Tony N-S. _ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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It is true about the making of the preparations being illegal here in Europe at the moment. The problem is in the burying of the organs; after all the animal diseases that we have had the last years (BSE, foot and mouth, chicken disease now in Holland, etc) legislation has become very strict on what you can and can't do with animal organs. So we either have to make them illegally, or ? There have been some experiments in Holland by a creative BDfarmer who made the preparations without the organs, by putting the herbs at a certain place in a replica Cheops pyramide. Apparantly there are different levels in the pyramide, that correspond with ...? I would love to hear from other people if they have any alternative ways of manufacturing the preparations. What are these Rae cards that Loyd was writing about last week? Apparantly there has been a lot of creativity in applying them (broadcasters, BDmax ready-sprays, orgon accumulators), but how about making them? Does everybody here follow the basic recipe? Arjen Huese ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Homeopathic preps come of age GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: The Korrows To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:45 AM Subject: prep making illegal in the EU Dear Friends, I have just read in Anthroposophy Worldwide that as of May 1, 2003, it is illegal to make BD preps in the EU. Demeter international has opened an office in Brussels, the capitol, in order to have a presence and develop some good relations with the government people who make the decisions. At the time of publication, an editors note indicated that there was the possibility of the government reaching some kind of 'comprimise' in regards to this issue. I could easily see this happening in the US as a precautionary measure, although I doubt many government officials know that BD exists. Christy ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
Arjen While it may be illegal to make and apply BD preps in the EU it could be possible to use Homeopathic preps made from preps from outside the EU. Or to make them in Europe now from existing preps. My experience in the USA is that preps I took there from NZ - and going thru several X ray machines -worked very well there. In my case studies area of my site , the rabbit control pictures were achieved using NZ BD preps in PA near Pittsburg. re registration legislation seems that this has beaten everyone. We too in NZ are essentially illegal regarding ACVM legislation. Even if one gets registered or exempt there is a $320 annual fee to keep each product legal. I saw OZ is $620 pa. Looks like the end to the backyarders hoping to do a little cottage industry on the side. Just when 'they' start to enforce the law is the question. GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Arjen Huese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:52 AM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU It is true about the making of the preparations being illegal here in Europe at the moment. The problem is in the burying of the organs; after all the animal diseases that we have had the last years (BSE, foot and mouth, chicken disease now in Holland, etc) legislation has become very strict on what you can and can't do with animal organs. So we either have to make them illegally, or ? There have been some experiments in Holland by a creative BDfarmer who made the preparations without the organs, by putting the herbs at a certain place in a replica Cheops pyramide. Apparantly there are different levels in the pyramide, that correspond with ...? I would love to hear from other people if they have any alternative ways of manufacturing the preparations. What are these Rae cards that Loyd was writing about last week? Apparantly there has been a lot of creativity in applying them (broadcasters, BDmax ready-sprays, orgon accumulators), but how about making them? Does everybody here follow the basic recipe? Arjen Huese ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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At 08:11 10/06/2003 +1200, you wrote: While it may be illegal to make and apply BD preps in the EU it could be possible to use Homeopathic preps made from preps from outside the EU. Or to make them in Europe now from existing preps. My experience in the USA is that preps I took there from NZ - and going thru several X ray machines -worked very well there. These preps you took to USA were they homeopathic preps? --- is it homoepathic preps that you are using in your Etherics 1000 sprays? And by dynamising them already when you make them into a homeopathic prep, you don't need to stir them for 1 hour any more? --- That would make sense wouldn't it? I am working my way through your Biodynamics Decoded and I am impressed I must say. It seems some pieces of the puzzle that were already moving through my hands are finding their places now. Thanks! Arjen ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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These preps you took to USA were they homeopathic preps? --- Yes is it homoepathic preps that you are using in your Etherics 1000 sprays? Yes And by dynamising them already when you make them into a homeopathic prep, you don't need to stir them for 1 hour any more? --- That would make sense wouldn't it? We have discussed the various ways of doing this on the list in the past and several different ways were suggested. To me stirring is a potentising process and done in the way suggested because of the quatities being stirred ie 3 gallons or 150 gallons as the case maybe. For smaller quatities normal potentising would/should be perfectly fine. Works for me. Whatever one does, you will create something, that you will have to learn what it does and how best to use it. No matter how you prepare it. Reality does not seem as precious as our beliefs. I am working my way through your Biodynamics Decoded and I am impressed I must say. Great to hear you are finding it of value. Have many other folk at Emerson come across it yet? It seems some pieces of the puzzle that were already moving through my hands are finding their places now. The 'Biodynamics Decoded' chart is best printed out and hung on the wall for constant reference. If your students know of this chart early in their course I reckon they would 'get it' (BD) much quicker than normally is the case. The 'manifestations' picture ( http://rimu.orcon.net.nz/garuda/manifest.htm ) is a further development of that chart. BD Decoded is a single vortex, Manifestations is the gyroscope, which is closer to the reality of things. A wee bit more complex but surprisingly interesting, especially when the circular periodic table is placed over it. http://rimu.orcon.net.nz/garuda/periodic.html. - A suggestion for the basis of a Biodynamic chemistry, perhaps? cheers Glen A Thanks! Arjen ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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I would love to hear from other people if they have any alternative ways of manufacturing the preparations. What are these Rae cards that Loyd was writing about last week? Apparantly there has been a lot of creativity in applying them (broadcasters, BDmax ready-sprays, orgon accumulators), but how about making them? Does everybody here follow the basic recipe? Hi Arjen I did a small experiment last year, has already raised a few hackles in Australia among traditionalists I think. We made some barrel compost : From the same batch of manure I made one pit the traditional way with a set of conventional preps from our association, the second pit was made exactly the same except that I mixed a set of radionic preps into the manure before putting it in the pit and I used a set of radionic preps placed exactly as the conventional ones were placed. These were prepared from malcolm rae cards using a small potentiser instrument made in Australia by Peter Ruemhkorff, so there was no actual prep material at all in the second pit. I took these up in late december and I could not detect any difference except by dowsing the energy levels, (and I am biased and also knew which was which so I dont count) so far we have tested the two by dowsing, by radionic analysis for general vitality, and by doing chromas. Several people did the dowsing and the general consensus was not much different but a little in favour of the radionic preps, the radionic analysis was done by a very competent independent operator, who did not know what he was testing, done in front of 80 people (Hugh Lovel was there), and showed a small advantage to the radionic preps - from memory the readings were something like 675 the radionics and 630 the conventional. I have the chroma pictures here and although I know little about it I prefer the look of the radionic chroma, its a nicer picture with much more definition. I have a copy of a Soil Foodweb Institute test (Elaine Ingham,s lab) : active bacterial 34.7 total bacterial 877 active fungal 235 total fungal 436 - lab comments were that its not mature yet - wait till activity drops below 10% before applying and that it will become more fungal with time, I dont know these tests but it rated excellent, Steve Storch might like to comment on the numbers (his will be better of course!) I was not trying to push anybody's buttons by doing this - the opportunity was there to learn something - so I took it - but I bet the anti radionic people are not happy with the result so far. This sort of thing may be the way out for you people in Europe and what happens there will probably be inflicted on the rest of us at some point - I would like to be ready for that time. Hope you find this interesting Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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- Original Message - From: Garuda To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:57 AM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU Homeopathic preps come of age GA Thought you would be grinning! LC ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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My understanding is that Homoeopathic Preps are excluded. Would it be that Preps made using Rae Cards, be also excluded? Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: Folks - I don't know about the illegality of making the preps but I suppose it has been technically illegal to use them, at least in the UK, for some longish time. Correctly speaking, only substances/chemicals approved by the Ministry of Agriculture and so labelled may be used, even in private gardens. It is thus against the law to apply (for example) common salt, as this is not an approved chemical. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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It is only pertaining to the preps that use animal parts. Not 501, 500 and 507. This is my understanding from Lawrence Lampson from Glenora Farm in Duncan on Vancouver Island, BC's visit to Dornach at Easter time. Michael - Original Message - From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU My understanding is that Homoeopathic Preps are excluded. Would it be that Preps made using Rae Cards, be also excluded? Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: Folks - I don't know about the illegality of making the preps but I suppose it has been technically illegal to use them, at least in the UK, for some longish time. Correctly speaking, only substances/chemicals approved by the Ministry of Agriculture and so labelled may be used, even in private gardens. It is thus against the law to apply (for example) common salt, as this is not an approved chemical. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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How do you make 500 and 501 if not in cow's horns? 504, 507 and 508 are clear enough, Warm regards, Peter, - Original Message - From: mroiboz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU It is only pertaining to the preps that use animal parts. Not 501, 500 and 507. This is my understanding from Lawrence Lampson from Glenora Farm in Duncan on Vancouver Island, BC's visit to Dornach at Easter time. Michael - Original Message - From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU My understanding is that Homoeopathic Preps are excluded. Would it be that Preps made using Rae Cards, be also excluded? Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: Folks - I don't know about the illegality of making the preps but I suppose it has been technically illegal to use them, at least in the UK, for some longish time. Correctly speaking, only substances/chemicals approved by the Ministry of Agriculture and so labelled may be used, even in private gardens. It is thus against the law to apply (for example) common salt, as this is not an approved chemical. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
