Re: Editor
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:43:43 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Barnett) wrote: Hi, I am new to Perl just over a month now. I have tried other programming languages and they just seem to hard to understand. I have found Perl to be a lot easier to understand, and that brings me to my question. What is a good Perl Editor for writing scripts? I am currently using Crimson Editor. Although nedit is probably your best bet, I like to use mcedit, the built-in editor of mc , Midnight Commander. It's advantages? 1. You don't need to be in X. 2. It has pretty good syntax highlighting for Perl, it makes finding matching brackets pretty easy. Just highlight 1 bracket, and it's match appears bright yellow. 3. As soon as you finish editing, a quick escape and enter, runs the script. 4. If in X, you can have multiple mc windows open in different xterms, and copying and pasting with the mouse is easy. 5. mc has a built-in hex veiwer and editor, which comes in handy. It also has handy menus for chmod,chown, etc. 6. mc is available on almost all systems. If you are working on a remote host, and can't export X, mc will still run over the link, since it's curses based. This is very handy. I've even uploaded the mc binary to a machine that didn't have it installed, and it ran out of my ~/bin. Try that with nedit. Anyhoo, I vote mc for best editor to rely on. :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Editor
nedit.org -- the best there is (in my book) -Original Message- From: Angerstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:55 AM To: Scott Barnett; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AW: Editor I really love nedit. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Scott Barnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 31. Juli 2002 15:44 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Editor Hi, I am new to Perl just over a month now. I have tried other programming languages and they just seem to hard to understand. I have found Perl to be a lot easier to understand, and that brings me to my question. What is a good Perl Editor for writing scripts? I am currently using Crimson Editor. Thanks Scott Barnett Home Care Medical - Technical Support Specialist 1-800-369-6939 1-262-786-9870 ext.214 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The views and opinions expressed in this email message are the sender's own, and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of Summit Systems Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Editor
Me too !! This editor is the greatest I found on Win OS. But have you download the Syntax pack for Perl ? Go ahead if no. Anyway, the other choice for me is Note Tab Lite. But seems very unstable if I am using Chinese ( Perhaps that do not have any infect on you ). But if you are doing a global text replacement, I would suggest using CuteHtml. The replacement speed and quality is the fastest and flexiable( Up to paragraphs ). Rgds, Connie - Original Message - From: Scott Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:43 PM Subject: Editor Hi, I am new to Perl just over a month now. I have tried other programming languages and they just seem to hard to understand. I have found Perl to be a lot easier to understand, and that brings me to my question. What is a good Perl Editor for writing scripts? I am currently using Crimson Editor. Thanks Scott Barnett Home Care Medical - Technical Support Specialist 1-800-369-6939 1-262-786-9870 ext.214 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Editor
perhaps you haven't dl-ed the latest version of nedit. It's up to 5.3 now, and has come along way from version 4.2. -Original Message- From: Connie Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:57 AM To: Scott Barnett; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Editor Me too !! This editor is the greatest I found on Win OS. But have you download the Syntax pack for Perl ? Go ahead if no. Anyway, the other choice for me is Note Tab Lite. But seems very unstable if I am using Chinese ( Perhaps that do not have any infect on you ). But if you are doing a global text replacement, I would suggest using CuteHtml. The replacement speed and quality is the fastest and flexiable( Up to paragraphs ). Rgds, Connie - Original Message - From: Scott Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:43 PM Subject: Editor Hi, I am new to Perl just over a month now. I have tried other programming languages and they just seem to hard to understand. I have found Perl to be a lot easier to understand, and that brings me to my question. What is a good Perl Editor for writing scripts? I am currently using Crimson Editor. Thanks Scott Barnett Home Care Medical - Technical Support Specialist 1-800-369-6939 1-262-786-9870 ext.214 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The views and opinions expressed in this email message are the sender's own, and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of Summit Systems Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Editor
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Connie Chan wrote: I am new to Perl just over a month now. I have tried other programming languages and they just seem to hard to understand. I have found Perl to be a lot easier to understand, and that brings me to my question. What is a good Perl Editor for writing scripts? I am currently using Crimson Editor. Thanks Is anybody using GNU Emacs to write perl programs? Is its perl-mode good enough to compete with nedit and alike? I've been using Emacs for almost anything (including C++, Latex, Perl ...) and hardly ever tried another editor. Greetings Kay Kay Bieri Sidlerstr. 5, 3012 Bern Switzerland email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +41 (031) 631 8682 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Editor
Yes. The regexs in nedit look more like perl regexs. Also it has customizable keyboard shortcuts, and a nice graphical interface if you don't like keystroking. -Original Message- From: Kay Bieri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Editor Is anybody using GNU Emacs to write perl programs? Is its perl-mode good enough to compete with nedit and alike? I've been using Emacs for almost anything (including C++, Latex, Perl ...) and hardly ever tried another editor. Greetings Kay The views and opinions expressed in this email message are the sender's own, and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of Summit Systems Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Perl IDE's v. Perl Editors was Re: Editor
On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 06:43 , Scott Barnett wrote: [..] What is a good Perl Editor for writing scripts? The Correct Answer is: The one on the machine where you do your editing. That simplifies the process for you. I am partial to doing my development with bbedit 6.5.2 but also use 'vi' on machines where it is the only installed 'fancy' editor. Unfortunately these do not have some of the crucial features that are required in a full Perl IDE - which is what I believe you are really asking about. Many editors now come with various forms of 'colour' for providing 'syntax mark up' - that will provide 'visual clues' to when one has injected a 'typo' into a script. This helps IF you know the 'colour schema' for how perl syntax SHOULD look like to begin with. It will of course help you along the way to learn basic perl syntax as you use this 'memory aid'. Amongst the features I find useful in the bbedit version are such basic requirements as: a) the ability to call up the 'perl docs' for functions and modules - a1) select the thing you wonder about, and click the view reference option. a2) when constructing POD in a script/code/module one can also run the 'view POD' option to see how the pod would lay out b) the ability to invoke the perl debugger c) the ability to run code in either a 'terminal' window or as a 'stand alone' d) Ability to Create and Utilize 'stationery' for code templates as well as 'glossaries' of 'hot-key' sequences for basic things one would normally have to type one's self. Things that I have yet to find in any decent 'perl editor' with ambitions to being a fully integraded development environment: 1. perl document searches that include all modules everywhere that will do a full search for the appropriate module one should have been using from the CPAN based upon some simple Regular Expression and/or Domain Specific Language Expansion style language that can resolve what the true intent would have been for the functionality one is seeking. 2. UML graphical presentation to Perl Code - such a suite would allow one to play with pictographs and various forms of hierogliphics to graphically represent the conceptual frame work that are then translated into an appropriate suite of Perl Modules and supporting scripts and code. 3. Apocalypse Now Redux - the directors cut, that will identify which portions of your current Perl5 coding style/habit/tendencies will become redundent and/or deprecated in Perl6, and no longer needed in Perl7. 4. The Correct Upgrader - this portion is the rational extension of the query mechanisms used in 1 above, based upon the resilience of section 3, as clarified by 2, that will 4a) download and install while you type, the correct CPAN modules - correcting and replacing any deprecated code that you had previously typed 4b) if no such module currently exists, will send out the call for votes to form 4b1 - the correct UseNet news group 4b2 - the correct email group 4b3 - the correct bridge between SMTP and NNTP 4b4 - institutionalize such other alternative messaging mechanisms as required. 4c) Establish and Co-ordinate a working group both at the CPAN, as well as within the IETF, to establish a standards track for this solution space. 4d) Interoperate with the dissident factions to create a religious war over this solution space. 5. The Endless Coffee Pot - this portion of any reasonable Perl IDE will make sure that the 'stimulant based' fluid system is current with the requirements for neural enhancers. 6. Enhanced Management Interface Mechanisms - that will summarise all that one has done to date with regards to 6a) open defects against the project 6b) the timeline and budget of the project 6c) shifts in the corporate policies with regards to the allocation of stock options as they influence the market position of the company and coder assets 6d) as required, master meaningless marketting expressions promulgated in the corporate email disinformation campaign
RE: Perl IDE's v. Perl Editors was Re: Editor
Yep even the best of syntax highlighting patterns still can't handle some of those FUNKY regexs I use in my perl program. -Original Message- From: drieux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:46 AM To: begin begin Subject: Perl IDE's v. Perl Editors was Re: Editor [snip] Many editors now come with various forms of 'colour' for providing 'syntax mark up' - that will provide 'visual clues' to when one has injected a 'typo' into a script. This helps IF you know the 'colour schema' for how perl syntax SHOULD look like to begin with. It will of course help you along the way to learn basic perl syntax as you use this 'memory aid'. [snip] The views and opinions expressed in this email message are the sender's own, and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of Summit Systems Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Editor
I've been using EditPlus for awhile now on Win32 platform... http://www.editplus.com/ The $$ I paid for it a couple years ago (it's $30 now) seems to have been worth it, although after looking at the Crimson Editor website, it looks quite similar and is free...a good price. I've also tried the Komodo 1.2 IDE, but went away frustrated with its slow performance...$15 for the non-commercial license, I opine, was not well spent. ~Robert -Original Message- From: Scott Barnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 6:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Editor Hi, I am new to Perl just over a month now. I have tried other programming languages and they just seem to hard to understand. I have found Perl to be a lot easier to understand, and that brings me to my question. What is a good Perl Editor for writing scripts? I am currently using Crimson Editor. Thanks Scott Barnett Home Care Medical - Technical Support Specialist 1-800-369-6939 1-262-786-9870 ext.214 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl IDE's v. Perl Editors was Re: Editor
On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 08:04 , Nikola Janceski wrote:
Yep even the best of syntax highlighting patterns still can't handle some
of
those FUNKY regexs I use in my perl program.
don't EVEN get me started...
{ too late drieux }
hum. parenting code, is like parenting children,
not for the feint of heart, and mostly done wrong
ciao
drieux
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RE: Editor
Well, I am working on linux, and I started with pico but now I use vi and am quite happy with it; fast movement, versatile copy-paste, colored syntax toggling...it does the job. I'll have to give nedit a look though if there are any linux offerings...people seem to be raving about it. regards, nathanael -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl IDE's v. Perl Editors was Re: Editor
I'm surprised that more posters didn't advocate vim as *the* editor. I think it is linux world that did a survey and found that 80 percent of the users picked vim as their favorite editor. I originally started using vim, then switched to nedit, and now have switched back to vim. Nedit if very nice, but I had problems with keyboard commands. About half the time when I would press keys like cntrl z to undo a command, I would get a ^ack or something like that on the screen. I can see why vim is the most popular linux editor. It is extremelly powerful. It has all sorts of options for automatic inenting, as well as a feature called folding, which I still have to learn how to use; it bascially hides lines on your screen. So if you were working between your main program and a subroutine 1000 lines below, you could hide those thousand lines. Of course, vim as full highlighting capabilities. Vim offers so many options that I doubt I could learn them all. The drawback to vim is that it is a bit hard to learn at first. It is keyboard driven, which goes against how most people learn to operate a computer, with a mouse. Of course, there is full graphical interface version of vim, which I use, called gvim. Once you get over the initial difficulty of learning vim (which should only take a few days?), then it can be easier to use, depending on your preferences. Vim is also one hundred percent free--as is Nedit. I wouldn't pay for an editor, with all the excellent free choices out there. But nedit is also a good choice as an editor. It is very intuitive and also powerful. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * *[EMAIL PROTECTED]* -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Perl IDE's v. Perl Editors was Re: Editor
see inline comments -Original Message- From: Paul Tremblay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:24 PM To: begin begin Subject: Re: Perl IDE's v. Perl Editors was Re: Editor I'm surprised that more posters didn't advocate vim as *the* editor. I think it is linux world that did a survey and found that 80 percent of the users picked vim as their favorite editor. I originally started using vim, then switched to nedit, and now have switched back to vim. Nedit if very nice, but I had problems with keyboard commands. About half the time when I would press keys like cntrl z to undo a command, I would get a ^ack or something like that on the screen. that's been fixed on the new release. I can see why vim is the most popular linux editor. It is extremelly powerful. It has all sorts of options for automatic inenting, as well as a feature called folding, which I still have to learn how to use; it bascially hides lines on your screen. So if you were working between your main program and a subroutine 1000 lines below, you could hide those thousand lines. Of course, vim as full highlighting capabilities. Vim offers so many options that I doubt I could learn them all. nedit too, and the help docs are much better now, vim docs weren't that great. IMHO. The drawback to vim is that it is a bit hard to learn at first. It is keyboard driven, which goes against how most people learn to operate a computer, with a mouse. Of course, there is full graphical interface Ack, love the keyboard, hate the mouse. version of vim, which I use, called gvim. Once you get over the initial difficulty of learning vim (which should only take a few days?), then it can be easier to use, depending on your preferences. Vim is also one hundred percent free--as is Nedit. I wouldn't pay for an editor, with all the excellent free choices out there. Agreed. But nedit is also a good choice as an editor. It is very intuitive and also powerful. And easy to learn. The views and opinions expressed in this email message are the sender's own, and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of Summit Systems Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: ?Perl Editors - Re: Editor
{Yep even the best of syntax highlighting patterns still can't handle some
of those FUNKY regexs I use in my perl program.}
Was that to scare us newcomers to Perl
I have been programming on/off since late 1978
and now I an just starting to program for the WEB
Perl, PHP, mySQL, etc.
I have seen good editors, and bad ones.
I have written editors for RPG II and other specific languages
that are very hard to work with in normal text-style editors
I have not seen any ONE editor that works for even most
type of text-based programming documents I and other I know have done.
I currently use more than 5 different editor,
depending upon what I am editing and what I want to do.
But, I use only one most of the time.
As a long time programmer
and one with Dyslexia to boot{two strikes against me},
I say find one you like and use it,
until it becomes second nature to you.
If you have need to use other editors for SPECIFIC
needs that the one you work with cannot do
find one that can handle those needs, and use it
for those needs only.
The best writing is done when you do not have to worry
about the tools you are using to write with.
As I said, I use many editors, and I am always looking to see
if there are better ones. I currently use an older version of
NoteTab as my main editor. Sometimes the newer a product gets,
the harder it is to use.
I still find some of my old DOS programs work easier and faster
then that of their Windows counterparts.
I read one comment about Crimson Editor - it can fit on a floppy
I can remember when that was a given - fit on a floppy.
I now have that editor and it looks promising.
We will see after using it for a while.
I am sorry for this long statement - and it is my first reply here.
But us old time programmers, even though new to web-programming
may have in-sites with over 20 years of programming.
I have forgotten more languages than I want to remember.
And I have been told that the older generation could not
understand this new world of the NET.
I had to write the routines to allowed me to do things the younger
generation take for granted today. My generation invented the
stuff we build on today. Just because I am over 40 does not
mean I cannot do what a 20 year old can. I have lost many a job
just because of age prejudice.
But it is time that he newer programmers look back to the ones
that have been doing it for most of their lives, ask how to program.
It is language independent - I should know. It is just syntax differences
not the How-To.
This argument about which editor is the best is just the tip.
We must have the best of everything.
Buy a computer for $4,000 this year and then
scrap it next year for the newest and greatest.
I use and own equipment from a 486 to some of the newest technology,
nut I an typing this from a computer that I have had since the AMD-266
days. It is currently upgraded to a 500 MHz computer, but it still
is my favorite one to work with.
Remember - find one you like and stick with it
unless you find one that is much better, not just the newest thing.
If you keep needing to learn new hardware and software to
do the same job that you can do with your current equipment,
why take the time. For me time is money. Spend you time
where it counts. Not to keep up with the Jones.
Timothy Lungstrom
owner of Kracked Press Production
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Perl IDE's v. Perl Editors was Re: Editor
On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 08:04 , Nikola Janceski wrote:
Yep even the best of syntax highlighting patterns still can't handle
some
of
those FUNKY regexs I use in my perl program.
don't EVEN get me started...
{ too late drieux }
hum. parenting code, is like parenting children,
not for the feint of heart, and mostly done wrong
ciao
drieux
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Re: ?Perl Editors - Re: Editor
On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 09:22 , perl wrote:
[..]
Was that to scare us newcomers to Perl
I can't speak for anyone else, but 'scare' is too
strong a word for my intentions - unless by that
we mean oblige folks to remember that 'coding'
is about 'putting the stuff between the curley braces'
and that 'text editors' and 'IDE' types of solutions
can help solve some of that...
[..]
I have seen good editors, and bad ones.
[..]
I have not seen any ONE editor that works for even most
type of text-based programming documents I and other I know have done.
I currently use more than 5 different editor,
depending upon what I am editing and what I want to do.
But, I use only one most of the time.
Good Point Here
While many of us can 'multitask' to various levels,
few of us have mastered the ability to edit multiple
files on multiple systems concurrently.
{ although I still have my 'doubts' about some of the
emacs users I know.
cf:
http://www.wetware.com/drieux/OldWorld/screeds/LiNox.html
since it is not clear to me that all of those
linux/emac/perl types are limited to the standard
number of fingers and hands }
[..]
I say find one you like and use it,
until it becomes second nature to you.
way correct. The problem for most beginners as
they start mastering both a new programming language
as well as multiple editors is that their fingers
tend to 'reflex' what would work well in the other editor
[..]
I currently use an older version of
NoteTab as my main editor. Sometimes the newer a product gets,
the harder it is to use.
[..]
As some of my friends complain about perl v. emacs,
at least emacs still has an editor built into it
But then again, few folks want to solve
the tower of hanoi problem
in 'vi macroes' - when it is easier to solve in emacs macros
I read one comment about Crimson Editor - it can fit on a floppy
I can remember when that was a given - fit on a floppy.
[..]
I have forgotten more languages than I want to remember.
One of the on going problems in the field, and a core reason
for adopting 'perl' as one of the 'default' group that one
will hold onto - as it will most likely be trundling on into
Perl8,Perl9. Or until we find a cure for software development.
And I have been told that the older generation could not
understand this new world of the NET.
[..]
And some of can point to documentation that various 'hot software
houses' were at one time opposed to tcp/ip and that it was
merely a 'passing fad' and/or 'militarist' - since it was
derived from DARPA projects As opposed to their current
posturing about being 'fully internet hip'.
A part of the problem also remains the 'inter-generational struggle'
that it appears to 'management types' to be cheaper to hire a bunch
of 'kids' fresh out of college, and 'mold them correctly' - than
to hire the more expensive senior programmers - who understand
the simple maxim:
it IS the coder,
not the text editor
But it is time that he newer programmers look back to the ones
that have been doing it for most of their lives, ask how to program.
It is language independent - I should know. It is just syntax differences
not the How-To.
BOING
yes and no
That one understands the standard
Header
Payload
approach, will help explain why we wandered first into the
bifurcation of HTTP and HTML - and now the later has extended
along into XHTML - because X is a cool letter to use - and
that this helps provide a way to 'standardize' the model for
TAG -::- VALUE
pairing system as a prelude to 'abstracting' that into XML
as the X coolness adding to the notion of 'mark up language'.
hence why so many of us are awaiting the True
Xperl
with a Real X in perl - rather than simply having the
implicit extensibility of writing modules rather
than the hassle of compiling libraries.
This argument about which editor is the best is just the tip.
on this we also agree
[..]
I use and own equipment from a 486 to some of the newest technology,
nut I an typing this from a computer that I have had since the AMD-266
days.
I think that many here, if push came to shove, can haul
our our 8-bit architectures.
[..]
If you keep needing to learn new hardware and software to
do the same job that you can do with your current equipment,
why take the time.
Good Challenge!!!
[..]
Spend you time where it counts. Not to keep up with the Jones.
Good Maxim!!!
Timothy Lungstrom
owner of Kracked Press Production
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ciao
drieux
http://www.wetware.com/drieux/pbl/
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Re: ?Perl Editors - Re: Editor
I read one comment about Crimson Editor - it can fit on a floppy I can remember when that was a given - fit on a floppy. SciTE can too (unpacked!) : http://www.scintilla.org/SciTE.html Though if you wanted macros you'd have to install FilerX : http://llt.chez.tiscali.fr/ which is another floppy. But packed they'd both fit on one ;-) Jenda === [EMAIL PROTECTED] == http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz == There is a reason for living. There must be. I've seen it somewhere. It's just that in the mess on my table ... and in my brain I can't find it. --- me -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Editor
Wine, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YES! Try http://www.vim.org for a 'vi on steroids'... If you area vi freak, you'll love vim! :) Somehow it isn't my favorite, besides it says that syntax coloring :syn-on isn't implemented, huh? Guess I'm stuck with some weird version. -Original Message- From: Matija Papec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Editor -- AMD FAQ http://performancefiles.cjb.net/
Re: Editor
If you got a precompiled version then it was compiled with highlighting turned off. Just recompile it. If you compiled it yourself then you somehow did so with highlighting turned off. ./configure --help when compiling should be helpful. At 08:19 PM 7/7/2001 +0200, Matija Papec wrote: Wine, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YES! Try http://www.vim.org for a 'vi on steroids'... If you area vi freak, you'll love vim! :) Somehow it isn't my favorite, besides it says that syntax coloring :syn-on isn't implemented, huh? Guess I'm stuck with some weird version. -Original Message- From: Matija Papec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Editor -- AMD FAQ http://performancefiles.cjb.net/ - Jim -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=67861lastnode_id=67861 -BEGIN PERL GEEK CODE BLOCK- --BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-- Version: 0.01 Version: 3.12 P++*@$c?P6?R+++@$M GIT/CM/J d++(--) s++:++ a- $O!MA-E! PU--+++BDC(+) UB$L$S$ $C-@D!(-)$S@$X?WP+MO!+++ P++(+)+ L+++()+$ !E* +PP+++n-CO?PO!o G W++(+++) N+ o !K w--- PS---(-)@ PE *(!)$A--@$Ee---(-)Ev++uL++*@$uB+ Y PGP t+(+++)+++@ 5- X++ R@ *@$uS+*@$uH+uo+w-@$m! tv+ b? DI-(+++) D+++(++) G() --END PERL GEEK CODE BLOCK-- --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: Editor
Aigner-Torres, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill, my choice is gnuemacs Does it support script debugging? I'm looking for nice *nix editor /debugger with breakpoints, step execution, etc. Have you tried PerlComposer? with cperl! What is cperl? -- Matija
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I've listen to you all about the editors problem Is anybody out there still using the old bottom-dweller vi ? On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 14:48:53 +0200, Matija Papec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aigner-Torres, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill, my choice is gnuemacs Does it support script debugging? I'm looking for nice *nix editor /debugger with breakpoints, step execution, etc. Have you tried PerlComposer? with cperl! What is cperl? -- Matija
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You mean there something other than vi? Do you mean vim? On 06 Jul 2001 16:07:36 +0300, anton wrote: I've listen to you all about the editors problem Is anybody out there still using the old bottom-dweller vi ? On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 14:48:53 +0200, Matija Papec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aigner-Torres, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill, my choice is gnuemacs Does it support script debugging? I'm looking for nice *nix editor /debugger with breakpoints, step execution, etc. Have you tried PerlComposer? with cperl! What is cperl? -- Matija -- Today is Boomtime, the 41st day of Confusion in the YOLD 3167 Wibble.
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cperl is a major mode in gnu/X emacs. It provides colorization, and is syntax aware (well, as close as you can be to syntax aware with perl.) for Graphical debugging, I use ptkdb. It's available from cpan. Once it's installed, you can launch a debug session with the following command: perl -d:ptkdb MyPerlScript.pl Bruce W. Lowther Demotivational Quote for the day: (Don't worry if the concepts of variables and functions are not familiar; we'll introduce these concepts as we go along.) - Cross Platform Perl OpenAuto Lead Micron Technology, Inc. Boise, Idaho [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matija Papec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 6:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Editor Aigner-Torres, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill, my choice is gnuemacs Does it support script debugging? I'm looking for nice *nix editor /debugger with breakpoints, step execution, etc. Have you tried PerlComposer? with cperl! What is cperl? -- Matija
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anton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've listen to you all about the editors problem ? Is anybody out there still using the old bottom-dweller vi ? On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 14:48:53 +0200, Matija Papec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aigner-Torres, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill, my choice is gnuemacs Does it support script debugging? I'm looking for nice *nix editor -- Matija
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YES! Try http://www.vim.org for a 'vi on steroids'... If you area vi freak, you'll love vim! -Original Message- From: Matija Papec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Editor anton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've listen to you all about the editors problem ? Is anybody out there still using the old bottom-dweller vi ? On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 14:48:53 +0200, Matija Papec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aigner-Torres, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill, my choice is gnuemacs Does it support script debugging? I'm looking for nice *nix editor -- Matija
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I use vi only when nothing else is available. ;- -Original Message- From: anton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Editor I've listen to you all about the editors problem Is anybody out there still using the old bottom-dweller vi ? On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 14:48:53 +0200, Matija Papec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aigner-Torres, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill, my choice is gnuemacs Does it support script debugging? I'm looking for nice *nix editor /debugger with breakpoints, step execution, etc. Have you tried PerlComposer? with cperl! What is cperl? -- Matija
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You know at the risk of starting a huge flamewar here (tho I doubt it'll happen - people seem really reasonable on this list) I'm going to put in my $0.02 for not just learning vi, but becoming fluent with it: 1. It's universally available. 2. Once you really learn it, it is the fastest editor out there. However, learning vi takes patience and practice. My two suggestions for becoming a vi wizard are these: Go cold turkey only use vi for text editing on every system you use. Perfect practice makes perfect don't manually insert 20 lines of #-characters to comment out a section of perl when :25,45s/^/# will do. The latter is true of anything worth practicing (i'm a professional musician) and it applies especially well with vi (or other text editors) You need to always ask yourself when learning How can I do this faster, or with fewer keystrokes? Instead of holding down that arrow key to move to the 5th line down, hit 5j. Or use markers to leave a trail through a long document. After forcing yourself to think twice before editing, the commands will seem like second nature, and you'll get editing tasks done much quicker. You'll begin to wonder why people even waste their time with a mouse to edit text. One side effect of using vi and perl is that you get a double dose of regular expression experience, and you'll find yourself inventing ways of doing boring repetivive tasks either entirely in vi or with vi and perl combined. That's when things get real fun :-) On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Daryl J. Hoyt wrote: I use vi only when nothing else is available. ;- -Original Message- From: anton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Editor I've listen to you all about the editors problem Is anybody out there still using the old bottom-dweller vi ? On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 14:48:53 +0200, Matija Papec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aigner-Torres, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill, my choice is gnuemacs Does it support script debugging? I'm looking for nice *nix editor /debugger with breakpoints, step execution, etc. Have you tried PerlComposer? with cperl! What is cperl? -- Matija
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Couldn't agree more, but... didn't you forget to close your subtitution with a trailing slash? :25,45 s/^/#/ vi Rocks -- From: Luke Bakken Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 6, 2001 1:47 PM Cc: anton; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re: Editor You know at the risk of starting a huge flamewar here (tho I doubt it'll happen - people seem really reasonable on this list) I'm going to put in my $0.02 for not just learning vi, but becoming fluent with it: 1. It's universally available. 2. Once you really learn it, it is the fastest editor out there. However, learning vi takes patience and practice. My two suggestions for becoming a vi wizard are these: Go cold turkey only use vi for text editing on every system you use. Perfect practice makes perfect don't manually insert 20 lines of #-characters to comment out a section of perl when :25,45s/^/# will do. The latter is true of anything worth practicing (i'm a professional musician) and it applies especially well with vi (or other text editors) You need to always ask yourself when learning How can I do this faster, or with fewer keystrokes? Instead of holding down that arrow key to move to the 5th line down, hit 5j. Or use markers to leave a trail through a long document. After forcing yourself to think twice before editing, the commands will seem like second nature, and you'll get editing tasks done much quicker. You'll begin to wonder why people even waste their time with a mouse to edit text. One side effect of using vi and perl is that you get a double dose of regular expression experience, and you'll find yourself inventing ways of doing boring repetivive tasks either entirely in vi or with vi and perl combined. That's when things get real fun :-) On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Daryl J. Hoyt wrote: I use vi only when nothing else is available. ;- -Original Message- From: anton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Editor I've listen to you all about the editors problem Is anybody out there still using the old bottom-dweller vi ? On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 14:48:53 +0200, Matija Papec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aigner-Torres, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill, my choice is gnuemacs Does it support script debugging? I'm looking for nice *nix editor /debugger with breakpoints, step execution, etc. Have you tried PerlComposer? with cperl! What is cperl? -- Matija
Vi substitution (was: RE: Re: Editor)
In vim it's not necessary unless you use a modifier like g or c at the end. I'm not sure about standard vi, tho. On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Guilherme Pinto wrote: Couldn't agree more, but... didn't you forget to close your subtitution with a trailing slash? :25,45 s/^/#/ vi Rocks
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At 20:00 03.07.2001 -0500, RL Autry wrote: We are very new to programming and especially to Perl. We were following this thread closely and only saw a couple of replies. Wondering if there are any other editors that would do all that is needed for Perl and possibly even C++, Java, Visual Basic, ect I use a different editor for different languages. Perl, HTML, JavaScript = EditPlus2 (www.editplus.com) is a great editor for scripting languages. It features fully customizable auto-complete, templates, color-coding, project management, etc. etc. It even has a little ftp function for uploading your scripts. It is not free, but the trial version is actually a full-blown version that never expires. This editor is so cool, though, that it's worth the $30 fee. For C++ and Visual Basic I use M$ Visual Studio, which I like, more or less. I use it 'cause that's the program the company I work for bought, and now I'm used to it. I recently gave Borland a look, and I liked what I saw, though it's tough to switch once you're used to one programs foibles. The reason for this is we are actually at the same time trying to decide which language is going to give us the most flexibility and power. You say that like you only want to learn one language :) I use a mixture of Perl and C++ for the guts of a program, and Visual Basic and JavaScript/HTML for the interface part, depending on where the program has to live. Aaron Craig Programming iSoftitler.com
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The answer here still gnu emacs. For NT, have a look at: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/faq.html cheers, mario -Original Message- From: RL Autry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 3:01 AM To: Kris G Findlay; Beginners perl; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Editor We are very new to programming and especially to Perl. We were following this thread closely and only saw a couple of replies. Wondering if there are any other editors that would do all that is needed for Perl and possibly even C++, Java, Visual Basic, ect The reason for this is we are actually at the same time trying to decide which language is going to give us the most flexibility and power. Any ideas are well appreciated. We have a quite a few things to learn yet. Like we don't even know what a command line compiler is yet. But we are fast learners. At 04:58 PM 7/3/2001, Kris G Findlay wrote: i use synedit its free and very good !! check out www.mkidesign.com or http://synedit.hypermart.net -Original Message- From: Luke Bakken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 03 July 2001 20:35 To: Bill Pierson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Editor www.vim.org On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Bill Pierson wrote: Hello again, all. May I get some suggestions for any Windows-based PERL development tools? Preferably, free ones? Thanks, --Bill Thanks, RL
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Context is my choice: http://www.fixedsys.com/context/ Tyler - Original Message - From: Bill Pierson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:33 PM Subject: Editor Hello again, all. May I get some suggestions for any Windows-based PERL development tools? Preferably, free ones? Thanks, --Bill
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www.vim.org On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Bill Pierson wrote: Hello again, all. May I get some suggestions for any Windows-based PERL development tools? Preferably, free ones? Thanks, --Bill
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i use synedit its free and very good !! check out www.mkidesign.com or http://synedit.hypermart.net -Original Message- From: Luke Bakken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 03 July 2001 20:35 To: Bill Pierson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Editor www.vim.org On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Bill Pierson wrote: Hello again, all. May I get some suggestions for any Windows-based PERL development tools? Preferably, free ones? Thanks, --Bill
RE: Editor
We are very new to programming and especially to Perl. We were following this thread closely and only saw a couple of replies. Wondering if there are any other editors that would do all that is needed for Perl and possibly even C++, Java, Visual Basic, ect The reason for this is we are actually at the same time trying to decide which language is going to give us the most flexibility and power. Any ideas are well appreciated. We have a quite a few things to learn yet. Like we don't even know what a command line compiler is yet. But we are fast learners. At 04:58 PM 7/3/2001, Kris G Findlay wrote: i use synedit its free and very good !! check out www.mkidesign.com or http://synedit.hypermart.net -Original Message- From: Luke Bakken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 03 July 2001 20:35 To: Bill Pierson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Editor www.vim.org On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Bill Pierson wrote: Hello again, all. May I get some suggestions for any Windows-based PERL development tools? Preferably, free ones? Thanks, --Bill Thanks, RL
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Hey Bill, Tuesday, July 03, 2001, 3:33:42 PM, my MUA believes you used Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 to write: BP May I get some suggestions for any Windows-based PERL development BP tools? Preferably, free ones? I like Vim www.vim.org and TextPad www.textpad.com. Both have context highlighting. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! (http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/) eMail v1.53d Windows NT 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 1) You're just jealous because the voices are talking to ME, not you! NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net
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editplus. :) -Original Message- From: Kris G Findlay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:59 PM To: Beginners perl; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Editor i use synedit its free and very good !! check out www.mkidesign.com or http://synedit.hypermart.net -Original Message- From: Luke Bakken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 03 July 2001 20:35 To: Bill Pierson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Editor www.vim.org On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Bill Pierson wrote: Hello again, all. May I get some suggestions for any Windows-based PERL development tools? Preferably, free ones? Thanks, --Bill
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You must have got many good ones by now. If not here is one more shareware. http://www.ultraedit.com Rajeev ~~~ Rajeev Rumale MyAngel.Net Pte Ltd.,Phone : (65)8831530 (office) #04-01, 180 B, The Bencoolen, Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bencoolen Street, Singapore - 189648 ICQ: 121001541 Website : www.myangel.net ~~~ - Original Message - From: Bill Pierson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 3:33 AM Subject: Editor Hello again, all. May I get some suggestions for any Windows-based PERL development tools? Preferably, free ones? Thanks, --Bill
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At 10:14 PM 7/3/2001, Rajeev Rumale wrote: You must have got many good ones by now. If not here is one more shareware. http://www.ultraedit.com Rajeev Actually all we got was about 4 including yours. Someone on another list told me about GNU Emacs. I need to find out what this one is. Did you take a look at the file I sent? Someone told me that we could send the pl in our mail to the list is that correct? If so it would sure make things alot easier. Thanks, RL
