sqlplus output directly to a hash?
Hi all,
Is it possible to read the output of SQLPLUS (Oracle) directly into a hash array? I
don't have DBI installed so this is not an option. Currently, I am dumping the data
to a spool file, then reading the file into the hash. I'd like to skip the file I/O
step if possible.
#--- beginning of script
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;
my $f1 = "";
my $f2 = "";
my $oraId = "mylogid";
my $oraPw = "mypasswd";
my $spoolFile = "$0.tmp";
my $queryFile = "myscript.sql";
my $sql = "select fieldA, fieldB from mytable;\n";
open QUERY, ">$queryFile" or die "Cannot create SQL script: $!\n";
print QUERY $sql;
close QUERY;
open ORA, "| sqlplus -s $oraId/$oraPw \@myscript > $spoolFile" or die "Cannot pipe
to sqlplus: $!\n";
close ORA;
open SPOOL, "<$spoolFile" or die "Cannot open spool file: $!\n";
while (chomp(my $line = ) ) {
last if (eof(SPOOL));
$f1 = $f2 = "";
next if ((!defined $line) || $line eq "" );
($f1, $f2) = split /\s*/, $line;
# I expect $f1 to be any single alpha character, $f2 a number
next unless ($f1 =~ /^[A-Z]$/ && $f2 =~ /\d/);
$myarray{"$f1"} = $f2;
}
close SPOOL;
#--- end of script
Thanks in advance,
Jeff
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What am I doing wrong?
Hi all,
I've made a script that loads a file and announce me by mail about this.
The problem is with the mailing.
I've tried to make the script to work with an SMTP server if the script is
ran under Windows and with sendmail
also if it runs under Unix.
The important code with problem is:
if ($^O =~ /MSWin/i) {
print "The OS is: $^O";
#This line is not printed because the OS is Linux but the following line has
problems
use Net::SMTP;
The problem is that the script runs under Linux and there is no Net::SMTP
module installed. The server is not mine, so ...
I thought this prevent giving me an error because I've tested not to be
Windows.
Even though the OS is Linux, it complains that there is no Net::SMTP module
installed and the script breaks.
If I comment that part (what is under if(..) { and } the script works fine
How can I avoid Linux complaining that there is no Net::SMTP module
installed even though I've tested not to be necessary?
Thank you very much.
I hope it is possible.
Teddy,
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What database would your recommend?
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Is it a bug in Perl?
Hi all,
I've run a script by a command line with:
perl -d -T script.pl
This launched the debugger but I've seen the following error:
Use of uninitialized value in split at c:/Perl/lib/perl5db.pl line 508.
This is a file in the Perl directory, and the line with errors is:
if (($stop,$action) = split(/\0/,$dbline{$line})) {
Then I've seen one more error in that file:
Argument "\n" isn't numeric in numeric eq (==) at c:/Perl/lib/perl5db.pl
line 572
That line is:
for ($i = $line + 1; $i <= $max && $dbline[$i] == 0; ++$i) { #{ vi
Is there any bug, or what could be the problem?
I am using Windows 2000.
If I run the script normally, the script runs without errors or warnings.
Teddy,
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Bob Showalter wrote at Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:30:29 +0200:
>
> 3. Don't use the &foo or &foo(args) calling styles.
>
Allthough I would miss it a little bit.
I find the &foo style useful when implementing a little polymorphic subroutine.
Example:
sub foo {
/NUMERIC/&& &_foo_numeric
or /WORD/ && &_foo_word
or "otherwise" && &_foo_crazy;
}
sub _foo_numeric {
print "Numbers: @_\n";
}
sub _foo_word {
print "Words: @_\n";
}
sub _foo_crazy {
print "Crazy: @_\n";
}
foo(NUMERIC => (4,5,6));
foo(WORD=> ("x","y","z"));
foo(BIGJ => ("the greatest"));
It's more practical than writing
_foo_numeric( @_ )
_foo_word ( @_ )
_foo_crazy ( @_ )
in the switch case. (In addition I reduce the redundances).
Allthough, there are better (and slower :-( )
ways to implement polymorphic in a real OO-style,
I often use the upper behaviour in CGI scripts.
Cheerio,
Janek
PS: I hope that won't become a religious dibute of using &foo - style vs foo() style.
All I wanted was to declare that there are some really useful reasons for the &foo
style.
I want to underline Bob in saying: Don't use the &foo style without special reason.
Especially don't use it mixed with the foo() style.
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Re: references and dereferencing
On Thursday, June 6, 2002, at 08:35 , Nikola Janceski wrote:
[..]
>
> # $FUNC is a ref to a hash
>
> ## in a subroutine
> foreach my $function (keys %{$FUNC}){
> my @called_funcs;
> # populate @called_funcs;
> push @{$FUNC->{$function}}, @called_funcs;
> }
>
> ## later in code in another subroutine
> foreach my $pkg_func (keys %{$FUNC}){
> print join "\n", @$FUNC{ $pkg_func };
@{$FUNC{ $pkg_func }}
or
@{$FUNC->{$pkg_func}}
> print "\n";
> }
> __END__
[..]
I think those are what you want...
ciao
drieux
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RE: website keywords
Hytham, This a HTML question, not a CGI one but here goes: Keywords are usually stored in the tags at the top of a page. They follow the form -Original Message- From: Hytham Shehab [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 6:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: website keywords hi guys, how can i access the keyword section of any web page? thx -- Hytham Shehab -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Begin forwarded message:
> From: drieux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu Jun 06, 2002 07:38:29 US/Pacific
> To: begin begin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: notBob clarifies the Bob was Re: subroutine or &subroutine
>
>
> On Thursday, June 6, 2002, at 06:31 , Camilo Gonzalez wrote:
> [..]
>> Since this is a list for newbies, can you please be a bit more specific
>> why
>> you are opposed to those things you list. I'm quite fond of using the
>> &foo
>> or &foo(args) calling styles. Is this just a personal preference?
>>
> [..]
> Bob Said:
>> Here are my recommendations for new code (others may want to debate
>> these)
>> :
>>
>> 1. Always "use strict;"
>>
>> 2. Don't use prototypes.
>>
>> 3. Don't use the &foo or &foo(args) calling styles.
>>
>> 4. To call a sub with no arguments, use an empty set of
>>parens: foo() (Exception: method calls can leave
>>off the parens, e.g: $sth->execute; since there is
>>no ambiguity with a method call).
>
> notBob says:
>
> 1) the 'use strict' pragma helps pop out things
> like wacko ref cases as well as making sure
> that you do not have any wacko sub situations
> and will WHINE at you at compile time This
> while ANNOYING at compile time helps impose good habits,
> probably faster than making you stand at the chaulk board
> writing
>
> I will not write bad code x 1_000_000_000
>
> to impress upon the impressionable that good form is elegant.
>
> 2) the 'prototype' approach gets harry and messy when you
> start certain types of software development - it was an
> interesting idea - but as you will note in the 3rd edition
> of programming perl it is not recommended.
>
> { Nikola probably has sanity issues that he is resolving
> with prototyping - but then again, most of us are all
> sublimating one or more issues in perl... }
>
> May I recommend Miss Happy's House of Dominitrix Delights
> if you have unresolved bondage needs as a simpler and more
> direct solution to prototyping perl functions.
>
> { I think 'use subs qw//;' is not as cool as it was either. }
>
> /* do not let me prevent you from learning the hard way. */
>
> 3) the &foo and &foo(@arglist) models are 'old perl' - and it
> was so much nicer once we were allowed to go with
>
> foo();
>
> so that the 'oldGuys' felt more at home that this was
> a 'function' that was called with no args... Nothing like
> that annoying typo HELL of
>
> if ( $wombat && foo(@arglist) )
>
> which you had intended to have been the &foo() bitwise
> added with $wombat - but got the logical anded. OYE!
> You find that one at Oh-Dark-Squat without a Whole Lot of
> Mountain Dew and.
>
> { hey crayon heads - did your colour coded perl IDE help in this case? }
>
>
> In short these are recommendations based upon life experience,
> our life, our experience - you are free to go with the flow or
> not - but if you see me 'weaving down the road' while walking,
> just accept the fact that I do that to make it harder on the
> amatuer snipers. If you see me running, all you need to
> do is be in front of me.
ciao
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AW: AW: parsing xml files for variables
> Bullshit, mixed the regexes together: OK, complete part looks like this now:
>
#
#testsystem
#
if ( // .. /<\/testsystem>/){ #lock for tag
paragraf testsystem
my $line =$_;
unless ($line =~ /^<\/?testsystem>/ ) {# remove tags
used if clause before
$testsystem = $_;
print "Testsystem: $testsystem";
}# End of unless
}#End of if ( // .. /<\/testsystem>/){
I just took unless ($line =~ /^<\/?testsystem>/ ) instaed of if ($line =~
/^<\/?testsystem>/ )
Ok, so long johannes
# Testsystem
if ( // .. /<\/testsystem>/){#look for the beginning and
end part
my $line =$_;
finalresultshould be something like "ignore the RegExp"
$testsystem = $_;
print "Testsystem: $testsystem";
}
}
Now I get all but the part i want to get. Remember i have
testsystem1
and want to get the testsystem1 part into a variable...
So now i got the inverted part.
Is there a possibility to say: ifnot ($line !=~ /^<\/?testsystem>/
){$testsystem=$_} ???
Greetings Johannes
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Got it, used unless ( // .. /<\/testsystem>/) instead of if (
// .. /<\/testsystem>/) and it works!!!
Thanks
Johannes
> so I would be working all of the sneek and peek
> that I recommend in
> http://www.wetware.com/drieux/pbl/RegEx/paraHablarRegular.txt
> all inside of the
> while() {
> }
[Theuerkorn Johannes] Ok, played around with the paraHablar. pice and I
got it down to the following snipplet::
# Testsystem
if ( // .. /<\/testsystem>/){#look for the beginning and
end part
my $line =$_;
finalresultshould be something like "ignore the RegExp"
$testsystem = $_;
print "Testsystem: $testsystem";
}
}
Now I get all but the part i want to get. Remember i have
testsystem1
and want to get the testsystem1 part into a variable...
So now i got the inverted part.
Is there a possibility to say: ifnot ($line !=~ /^<\/?testsystem>/
){$testsystem=$_} ???
Greetings Johannes
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> so I would be working all of the sneek and peek
> that I recommend in
> http://www.wetware.com/drieux/pbl/RegEx/paraHablarRegular.txt
> all inside of the
> while() {
> }
[Theuerkorn Johannes] Ok, played around with the paraHablar. pice and I
got it down to the following snipplet::
# Testsystem
if ( // .. /<\/testsystem>/){#look for the beginning and
end part
my $line =$_;
if ($line !=~ /^<\/?testsystem>/ ) {#should be something like
"ignore the RegExp"
$testsystem = $_;
print "Testsystem: $testsystem";
}
}
Now I get all but the part i want to get. Remember i have
testsystem1
and want to get the testsystem1 part into a variable...
So now i got the inverted part.
Is there a possibility to say: ifnot ($line !=~ /^<\/?testsystem>/
){$testsystem=$_} ???
Greetings Johannes
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No, the subroutinue body can occur before or after the invokation point with
or without the &.
joel
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From: Camilo Gonzalez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 14:24
To: 'Janek Schleicher'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: subroutine or &subroutine
Janek,
Wouldn't it print:
foo:
&foo:A B C
Also, I believe that you must declare the subroutine before you are allowed
to reference it without the &. Am I right about that?
-Original Message-
From: Janek Schleicher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:10 AM
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Subject: Re: subroutine or &subroutine
Kevin Christopher wrote at Wed, 05 Jun 2002 04:58:38 +0200:
> Yes, you can call subroutines either way, with or without the "&". The
only case when the
> subroutine must be prefixed with an ampersand is, I believe, when you're
assigning a reference
> variable, eg:
>
> $reference_x = \&subroutine_y;
>
> But that's another story.
>
Oh, I'm afraid that's not the truth :-)
&subroutine without any arguments calls the subroutine with the implicit @_
array,
while subroutine only calls subroutine() without any argument.
Look at this snippet:
@_ = qw(A B C);
print 'foo:'; foo; print "\n";
print '&foo:'; &foo; print "\n";
sub foo {
print @_;
}
It prints:
foo:
&foo:ABC
Greetings,
Janek
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Bob, Since this is a list for newbies, can you please be a bit more specific why you are opposed to those things you list. I'm quite fond of using the &foo or &foo(args) calling styles. Is this just a personal preference? -Original Message- From: Bob Showalter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:30 AM To: 'Octavian Rasnita'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: subroutine or &subroutine > -Original Message- > From: Octavian Rasnita [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: subroutine or &subroutine > > > Hi all, > > I've seen some subroutines are ran without the & sign in front of the > subroutine name, like: > > subroutine_name; > instead of > &subroutine_name; > > Is it the same thing or there is a difference? Janek gave you the difference, and it's fully documented in perldoc perlsub. Note that the first is not allowed under "use strict" unless the sub has been declared or defined above the usage, or imported. Here are my recommendations for new code (others may want to debate these): 1. Always "use strict;" 2. Don't use prototypes. 3. Don't use the &foo or &foo(args) calling styles. 4. To call a sub with no arguments, use an empty set of parens: foo() (Exception: method calls can leave off the parens, e.g: $sth->execute; since there is no ambiguity with a method call). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: First and second rate programmers
On Thursday, June 6, 2002, at 01:33 , Joel Hughes wrote: > > the dark side? would that be Python or C++? > > joel Speaking of which - why would I want to do my CGI in perl - rather than go with tomcat servlets in all java - or write the apache module in 'c' ciao drieux --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Janek,
Wouldn't it print:
foo:
&foo:A B C
Also, I believe that you must declare the subroutine before you are allowed
to reference it without the &. Am I right about that?
-Original Message-
From: Janek Schleicher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: subroutine or &subroutine
Kevin Christopher wrote at Wed, 05 Jun 2002 04:58:38 +0200:
> Yes, you can call subroutines either way, with or without the "&". The
only case when the
> subroutine must be prefixed with an ampersand is, I believe, when you're
assigning a reference
> variable, eg:
>
> $reference_x = \&subroutine_y;
>
> But that's another story.
>
Oh, I'm afraid that's not the truth :-)
&subroutine without any arguments calls the subroutine with the implicit @_
array,
while subroutine only calls subroutine() without any argument.
Look at this snippet:
@_ = qw(A B C);
print 'foo:'; foo; print "\n";
print '&foo:'; &foo; print "\n";
sub foo {
print @_;
}
It prints:
foo:
&foo:ABC
Greetings,
Janek
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Re: mysql query statement
Hytham Shehab wrote: > hi all of u, > all whatta i want is see the exact executed query b4 its execution, i > mean not like this "select blah from blah when x=? but not ? order by ?", i > want to see as if u write it in the console of mysql, something like that > "select blah from blah where x=10 order by 'big' group by 'zip'". > is it possible? set DBI->trace(2) before the statement, then set DBI->trace(0) after it. it should write everything to the error log. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl/CGI mysql book
First off, I need to apologize for this email apps *stupid* quoting features, I am using Lotus NOTes... Charles, I think that in this case, your personal opinion may be a bit off. Yes, it is quite easy to develop code that manipulates files in Perl. And, yes, databases are just a collection of data in files (many times)... BUT - A MySQL solutions is not nearly as cumbersome as writing your own! - If you write a "one-off" for each program you create, then you get hit by a bus, I pity anyone that would need to come in and maintain the code. - How do you handle multiple accesses? What if > 1 user hits the database for writing at the same time? If you say "Locking", then how do you handle the race-conditions that arise from normal file locking? - The DBI interface is *super* easy to use, very well tested and very fast. I unless you are talking about some other Perl database interfaces, I have no idea where you get the opintion that "It still amazes me how all of these cumbersome packages evry make it to the marketplace". I don't think DBI could be much easier. - As far as a learning tool, sure, learning how to manipulate files is a great idea, but you would not want to do it for a project that will actually be put to some use! What if it becomes popular? Flat-files can handle quite a bit of data, but are MUCH slower and the possibility of data-corruption is GREATLY increased as more people use the application concurrently. BOTTOM LINE - If you are just doing a learning exercise in how to manipulate files, fine. - If you want to learn about databases and database interaction, Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200! Go DIRECTLY to the DBI and use it! You may not think it at this very moment, but once you learn programming a little better, you will reap the benefits! Good luck! Brent charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Maureen E Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] et> cc: (bcc: Brent Michalski/STL/MASTERCARD) Subject: Re: Perl/CGI mysql book 06/05/02 04:25 PM Please respond to cfaris My personal opinion is that cutom databases are very easy to create in a perl script and usually run faster and more efficient than cumbersome packages. there are many perl freebies out there to start you in the right direction and will also serve as a better learning tool. basically a database is simply a function that takes input, formats it, opens a disk file, and write the data to a disk file. In perl this can be done quite easily. It still amazes me how all of these cumbersome packages evry make it to the marketplace. If you tell me what you are trying to do I can send you sections of code that will make it easy. Charles Maureen E Fischer wrote: > I am writing my first CGI application and after analysis of the data > structure that is required I determined that a DBM file would not be > sufficient. Mysql was suggested to me. Unfortunately I could not find > A book that seemed based on Perl and sql. Everything I found connected > Mysql to PHP -- which I know nothing about. Since I am new to almost > Everyting except some ancient languages and systems I didn't want to > Bite off yet another learning experience just yet. I did find and > purchase "Writing CGI Applications with Perl", which did have a chapter > on sql, but since I am having trouble with my first connect I think I > will need more > Help then the brief chapter can give me. Any suggestion would > Be very welcome. > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi all of u, all whatta i want is see the exact executed query b4 its execution, i mean not like this "select blah from blah when x=? but not ? order by ?", i want to see as if u write it in the console of mysql, something like that "select blah from blah where x=10 order by 'big' group by 'zip'". is it possible? thx -- Hytham Shehab -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: First and second rate programmers
the dark side? would that be Python or C++?
joel
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From: matt stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 09:24
To: 'drieux'; cgi cgi-list
Subject: RE: First and second rate programmers
So much bitterness, i FEEL your pain - let it all out.
Strike down your enemies, and the path to the dark side will be
complete..
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From: drieux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 05 June 2002 18:32
To: cgi cgi-list
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: First and second rate programmers
On Wednesday, June 5, 2002, at 08:40 , Ovid wrote:
[..]
>
> First-rate mathematicians want to hang around first-rate
> mathematicians. Second-rate mathematicians want to hang
> around third-rate mathematicians.
>
> The reason for that is left as an exercise for the reader :)
>
> Cheers,
> Curtis "Ovid" Poe
First let us address the logic fault in your opening premise.
The reason that many Perl Module Writers do not impose 'use strict'
and/or 'use warning' - is precisely because of their obligation to
'backward compatibility' - and is done with a clear understanding
that a core tenant of Perl Orthodoxy is that while we do not wish
folks to rummage around in one's living room - we are not planning
to put up trip mines to keep them out.
Hence whining at any of the 'canonical' perl module writers for
following Orthodoxy over 'good advice' - would be less than useful.
Let us now move onto the problem of resolving 'ranking of programmers'
as a concept in itself - and specifically SILLY in the perl environment
to begin with Perchance the pinnacle of FOLLY in the cgi/mod_perl
space - since this is a place where we have to deal with the fact that
the 'standards committee' was functionally clueless to begin with
when they ginned up the HTTP/HTML "standards" from the gitGo - and have
compounded that folly by openly admitting their total cluelessness
with XHTML - the 'we have no hope of formalization at all'!
How exactly were we planning to rank programmer's who are great
kernel hackers - but write, well, lame perl code? My old sense
who is now in the bowels of VxWork based solutions for 802.11
work - had that coffee break moment that he had to actually 'work it'
to understand some of the new perl tricks i use is he better than
me or worse than me
Or put the other way around - if the requirements are for this OS
and to hit these performance numbers for the OLTP system - is it 'better'
to dodge the whole 'portability' game - and get those XS's tied tightly
to this OS's implementation of their unique wonders - for the speed...
knowing that were we to change platforms we have some serious porting
issues to address down the road??? But at least we have the basic perl
inteface into the OLTP exposed in a reasonable way???
I can appreciate for the devotee's of the academic world - there is the
clear moral imperative to having 'ranking and orders' - since without
them how would one know if one had to write the valedictorian speach,
or be the person working the 'back up strategy' incase the valedictorian
takes a bullet But what about out here in the real world???
You know, where code gets generated by folks who are not worrying about
the inter-departmental politics of how their pious posturing will be
perceived one way or the other??? The 'dumb grunts' who merely have to
get it to work.
But clearly - if i felt that Perl were a specific field of mathematics,
then I would of course find your argument so compelling - If I were
worried at all about how I 'ranked' in the academic world to begin with.
But what if 12 years in the industry helped me better understand how
frighteningly silly that Degree in Computer Science really was to begin
with?
What if the process is really about seeing how others solve problems?
Or finding interesting problems to solve for real people with real
concerns about how to really do FOO
What if the best thing to happen to the Shaolin Monasteries was that
they were sacked and burned - and allowed them to find the same level
of 'friar' { that old english phrase for 'free monk' } that helped
them get in touch with their 'ronin' ways???
What if wandering the lanes with nothing more than a rice bowl
was a great way to see the world and actually do good?
Or would this be the wrong place to propose that if only Larry Wall
had been a team player and been willing to do what needed to be done
to make things in sed/awk more ellegant - and be a 'real first water'
programmer rather than someone out to impress the 3rd tier wankers...
But the same would also apply to the fact that those CERN wankers
really should have been content with telnet and ftp - since clearly
this whole skank with the lame, lame, lame HTTP protocol was merely
there because those were so clearly lame types who were never going
to be 'real programmers'
But barring that, we so clearly agree that providing best practices
and something like a standard is probabl
RE: First and second rate programmers
So much bitterness, i FEEL your pain - let it all out.
Strike down your enemies, and the path to the dark side will be
complete..
-Original Message-
From: drieux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 05 June 2002 18:32
To: cgi cgi-list
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: First and second rate programmers
On Wednesday, June 5, 2002, at 08:40 , Ovid wrote:
[..]
>
> First-rate mathematicians want to hang around first-rate
> mathematicians. Second-rate mathematicians want to hang
> around third-rate mathematicians.
>
> The reason for that is left as an exercise for the reader :)
>
> Cheers,
> Curtis "Ovid" Poe
First let us address the logic fault in your opening premise.
The reason that many Perl Module Writers do not impose 'use strict'
and/or 'use warning' - is precisely because of their obligation to
'backward compatibility' - and is done with a clear understanding
that a core tenant of Perl Orthodoxy is that while we do not wish
folks to rummage around in one's living room - we are not planning
to put up trip mines to keep them out.
Hence whining at any of the 'canonical' perl module writers for
following Orthodoxy over 'good advice' - would be less than useful.
Let us now move onto the problem of resolving 'ranking of programmers'
as a concept in itself - and specifically SILLY in the perl environment
to begin with Perchance the pinnacle of FOLLY in the cgi/mod_perl
space - since this is a place where we have to deal with the fact that
the 'standards committee' was functionally clueless to begin with
when they ginned up the HTTP/HTML "standards" from the gitGo - and have
compounded that folly by openly admitting their total cluelessness
with XHTML - the 'we have no hope of formalization at all'!
How exactly were we planning to rank programmer's who are great
kernel hackers - but write, well, lame perl code? My old sense
who is now in the bowels of VxWork based solutions for 802.11
work - had that coffee break moment that he had to actually 'work it'
to understand some of the new perl tricks i use is he better than
me or worse than me
Or put the other way around - if the requirements are for this OS
and to hit these performance numbers for the OLTP system - is it 'better'
to dodge the whole 'portability' game - and get those XS's tied tightly
to this OS's implementation of their unique wonders - for the speed...
knowing that were we to change platforms we have some serious porting
issues to address down the road??? But at least we have the basic perl
inteface into the OLTP exposed in a reasonable way???
I can appreciate for the devotee's of the academic world - there is the
clear moral imperative to having 'ranking and orders' - since without
them how would one know if one had to write the valedictorian speach,
or be the person working the 'back up strategy' incase the valedictorian
takes a bullet But what about out here in the real world???
You know, where code gets generated by folks who are not worrying about
the inter-departmental politics of how their pious posturing will be
perceived one way or the other??? The 'dumb grunts' who merely have to
get it to work.
But clearly - if i felt that Perl were a specific field of mathematics,
then I would of course find your argument so compelling - If I were
worried at all about how I 'ranked' in the academic world to begin with.
But what if 12 years in the industry helped me better understand how
frighteningly silly that Degree in Computer Science really was to begin
with?
What if the process is really about seeing how others solve problems?
Or finding interesting problems to solve for real people with real
concerns about how to really do FOO
What if the best thing to happen to the Shaolin Monasteries was that
they were sacked and burned - and allowed them to find the same level
of 'friar' { that old english phrase for 'free monk' } that helped
them get in touch with their 'ronin' ways???
What if wandering the lanes with nothing more than a rice bowl
was a great way to see the world and actually do good?
Or would this be the wrong place to propose that if only Larry Wall
had been a team player and been willing to do what needed to be done
to make things in sed/awk more ellegant - and be a 'real first water'
programmer rather than someone out to impress the 3rd tier wankers...
But the same would also apply to the fact that those CERN wankers
really should have been content with telnet and ftp - since clearly
this whole skank with the lame, lame, lame HTTP protocol was merely
there because those were so clearly lame types who were never going
to be 'real programmers'
But barring that, we so clearly agree that providing best practices
and something like a standard is probably the best that we will be
able to do - since most RealProgrammers[tm] will wind up doing things
in ways we might not have expected - just like RealEndUsers[tm] tend
to do with the code we wrote things we hadn't thought about
mysql query statement
hi all of u, all whatta i want is see the exact executed query b4 its execution, i mean not like this "select blah from blah when x=? but not ? order by ?", i want to see as if u write it in the console of mysql, something like that "select blah from blah where x=10 order by 'big' group by 'zip'". is it possible? thx -- Hytham Shehab -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
