Address bar redirects

2004-11-04 Thread Jonathan Mangin
Why doesn't my IE address bar reflect successful redirects?
Also, does this list have an archive?
Thanks.
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Re: Address bar redirects

2004-11-04 Thread Chasecreek Systemhouse
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:46:13 -0500, Jonathan Mangin
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 Why doesn't my IE address bar reflect successful redirects?

That's an IE thing -- depending upon how the redirect was accomplished.

 Also, does this list have an archive?

see lists.perl.org and look up beginners-cgi
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Re: Address bar redirects

2004-11-04 Thread Jonathan Mangin
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Subject: Re: Address bar  redirects


On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:46:13 -0500, Jonathan Mangin
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Why doesn't my IE address bar reflect successful redirects?
That's an IE thing -- depending upon how the redirect was accomplished.
Also, does this list have an archive?
see lists.perl.org and look up beginners-cgi
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It was accomplished *exactly* like the one that got me to
where the next redirect doesn't change the address bar. How
can I guarantee an address bar change?
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Re: Address bar redirects

2004-11-04 Thread Jonathan Mangin
That's not me, man. I'm not using frames or JavaScript.
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On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 09:52:18AM -0500, Jonathan Mangin wrote:
http://youve-reached-the.endoftheinternet.org/
The above URI is a frameset (eugh, icky frames). If an http resource
loaded into the frameset performs a redirect then the URI won't change
becuase the URI in the addressbar is not a reference to the document
performing the redirect.
If you want to break out of frames you need some sort of client side
technology. JavaScript framebusters are not difficult to find, but are
out of scope for this mailing list.
It was accomplished *exactly* like the one that got me to
where the next redirect doesn't change the address bar.
I'm really not clear what you are refering to by It or the one
here.
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Re: Address bar redirects

2004-11-04 Thread Chasecreek Systemhouse
  http://youve-reached-the.endoftheinternet.org/
  
  The above URI is a frameset (eugh, icky frames).

That is one way URL cloaking works -- icky or not.  All one has to do
is right-click and select show this frame only.  Easy.

About URL not changing in IE -- this is not within the scope of this
list; please see -

microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.ieak

Or better still, one of the comp.infosystems.* sub-groups - maybe -

comp.infosystems.www.misc

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Re: Address bar redirects

2004-11-04 Thread Jonathan Mangin
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 http://youve-reached-the.endoftheinternet.org/
 
 The above URI is a frameset (eugh, icky frames).
That is one way URL cloaking works -- icky or not.  All one has to do
is right-click and select show this frame only.  Easy.
About URL not changing in IE -- this is not within the scope of this
list; please see -
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.ieak
Or better still, one of the comp.infosystems.* sub-groups - maybe -
comp.infosystems.www.misc
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Sorry. Just thought that since I'm using CGI.pm to perform a
redirect and the browser doesn't reflect that successful redirect,
maybe someone (else) had a helpful clue. I'll see if Microsoft
knows anything about CGI.pm. :)
--Jon

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Re: Address bar redirects

2004-11-04 Thread Chasecreek Systemhouse
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:39:04 -0500, Jonathan Mangin
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 Sorry. Just thought that since I'm using CGI.pm to perform a
 redirect and the browser doesn't reflect that successful redirect,
 maybe someone (else) had a helpful clue. I'll see if Microsoft
 knows anything about CGI.pm. :)

The problem you are having isn't related to CGI.pm -- you are stuck
between a rock and a hard-place -- so then you must research it
yourself ... which you may find you have little control over remote
sites and URLs, etc...

However, before you go traipsing off to research - try using
target=_new and have the NEW url open in a NEW window.  Maybe read
http://htmlref.com/ and http://w3.org/ --- sites along those lines...

 =)

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RE: Address bar redirects

2004-11-04 Thread Bob Showalter
Jonathan Mangin wrote:
 Why doesn't my IE address bar reflect successful redirects?

Perhaps an internal redirect is being used? Show us the script that's
issuing the redirect.

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Re: Address bar redirects

2004-11-04 Thread David Dorward
On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 12:49 -0500, Chasecreek Systemhouse wrote:
 However, before you go traipsing off to research - try using
 target=_new and have the NEW url open in a NEW window.

or not, since:

(a) New windows are a usability hazard
(b) _new is not an allowed value for the target attribute (you seem to
be thinking of _blank)
(c) _top would be more apropriate
and
(d) you can't use targets in anything automatic

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Re: Address bar redirects

2004-11-04 Thread Chasecreek Systemhouse
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:41:54 +, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 (d) you can't use targets in anything automatic

I guess CGIs write themselves now  =/

At any rate.  What does (or does not) show in Broswer-X's URL address
bar is not really a CGI.pm question.

Many things can be done both by client and server to give hard-to-debug results.
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Re: Address bar redirects

2004-11-04 Thread David Dorward
On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 09:52:18AM -0500, Jonathan Mangin wrote:

 http://youve-reached-the.endoftheinternet.org/

The above URI is a frameset (eugh, icky frames). If an http resource
loaded into the frameset performs a redirect then the URI won't change
becuase the URI in the addressbar is not a reference to the document
performing the redirect.

If you want to break out of frames you need some sort of client side
technology. JavaScript framebusters are not difficult to find, but are
out of scope for this mailing list.

 It was accomplished *exactly* like the one that got me to
 where the next redirect doesn't change the address bar.

I'm really not clear what you are refering to by It or the one
here.

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Re: Address bar redirects

2004-11-04 Thread David Dorward
On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 10:08:51AM -0500, Jonathan Mangin wrote:
 That's not me, man. I'm not using frames

Then either:

(a) The URI you provided is not one to a site you are running (so why
did you bring it up?)

or

(b) (more likely) You have chosen a third party domain name hosting
solution with is frames based and are not taking responsibility for
it.

Either way, the problem you are experiencing has nothing whatsoever
with any redirects you use Perl for.

  or JavaScript.

JavaScript is the usual way to escape from frames, not something I
noticed the site you referenced using.

(Relevant background lost as I'm too busy to repair other people's top
posting).

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