Help with pack issues
Hi all, I need the expertise of experienced BMD owners. Here's my situation. I am lucky to be owned by a 9 month old male BMD, Henley (neutered). Usually we live in Syracuse, where I'm at school, but I'm spending the summer in Seattle with my sister, her husband and three dogs. These dogs are: 1). 12 yr.old Chessie - an old coot, deaf, and demanding, but somewhat oblivious (neutered) , 2) 2.5 yr old chessie/lab mix (neutered and the problem) and 3) 6 month old Mexican beach dog rescue - who knows what breed, but very much a pack dog (set to be neutered this month). I guess it's not surprising that the male chessie x has exhibited some nasty behavior towards Henley. The first bad incident was after I had dropped my sister and her husband at the airport on their vacation. I don't think it was food related, but as soon as I got in the house, the chessie went after Henley, I had to pull him off, and Henley ended up with a nasty ear wound that took about 3 weeks to heal and set me back $100. Henley has bared his teeth towards this dog, and sometimes this dog seems to defer to Henley, but mostly he's trying to put Henley in his place. Things flared up again today - my sister, before leaving for work gave them flip chips, and as soon as she left, the chessie came after Henley, lunged at him very aggressive and took the flippie away (I was still in bed, where Henley came with the treat, so also go the brunt of it!). There was also another close call after their feeding tonight. My sisters' oldest dog has a tendency to pick at her food, so it's often left out, while the two males try to jocky for position. Things seem a little better if I'm the one feeding all the dogs, which sometimes happens twice a day, but more often once a day. And today, when I had Henley and the Chessie x in my car, the Chessie seemed deferential to Henley. I know there are pack issues at play, and the Chessie has a right to assert his position; and Henley's at the bottom of the pack. I expected a few tough moments, but figured things would settle down, especially after the first blood-shedding. Are Berners not as sensitive to pack issues so Henley isn't getting the message? Or am I just spoiling him too much by keeping my nose in things? Is the Chessie entitled to continue drawing blood to assert his position, or is there a point when his human should take a stand on how far he can go? It's one thing to growl and lunge, but it seems to be another when he hangs on. The first time Henley defecated, since then there have been a few incidents (like today), when he emits a strong odor. Is it time for me to keep Henley crated? Both males play with the female puppy - Henley more often, with the Chessie often keeping a close eye and getting after Henley when he thinks Henley's gone too far. How should I handle this situation? Besides the strife with the dogs, it's created quite a problem between me and my sister. HELP! Deborah Robinson and Henley.
Re: BERNER-L digest 4491
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Happy 12th Birthday Haley and Winslow!
Big hugs to the birthday pups! I get to take care of Winslow every once in awhile and he's a sweetie. He is still taking road trips and travels like a trooper. He's been out camping with his people this summer and moves pretty well for a 12 year old. You all are so lucky to have these dogs in your lives--guess it's a mutual blessing. Best birthday wishes, Vicky Hall in Utah
response to Cabela's
The very best point to emphasize when writing to protest the company's sale of dogs at its stores (from "breeders" aka puppy millers) is to inform them you and your family will no longer SHOP their stores or catalogue while this highly objectionable practice continues. And you will encourage all your friends to do the same. Mention how you are all big outdoorsmen and campers and such and would normally shop a store like this you THOUGHT had a good reputation. Bottom line is big corporations dont give a rat's patootie about the welfare of the puppies, nor ethics in general, but MONEY TALKS. If they think they are LOOSING MONEY they are much more likely to stop. MONEY TALKS!! Vilma Briggs (Kistner) Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT Thirdtym's A Charm, CD Hob Nob Clouds In My Coffee (puppy "Perc") and foster Bernerboy: Brew/Bruin
Response from Cabela's
--- Original Message --- From: "Lisa Ebnet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: 07/09/2003 12:24pm Central Standard Time (GMT - 5:00 ) To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Are you selling dogs now? Are you selling hunting dogs now? Sincerely, Lisa Ebnet A Concerned Cabela's Customer -- Please do not remove your unique tracking number! -- <<#222128-415037#>> -Original Message- From: Cabela's Customer Service [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 10:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Are you selling dogs now? <<#222128-415037#>> Dear Lisa; I would like to take a moment to thank you for your concerns regarding our puppy central days at Cabela's. As the majority of our outfitters live the outdoor lifestyle, we share a common interest regarding the welfare of animals that are sold during our events. Because of this care and concern, we have adopted stringent guidelines that all of our breeders must follow in order to present puppies for sale. The guidelines are as follows; 1. Breeders Must register with Cabelas before displaying or selling their puppies. 2. Breeders Must have a suitable exercise pen for displaying puppies. No puppies will be sold out of the back of any vehicle. 3. Breeders shall include an offer to refund the buyers money and/or replace the puppy if it develops health problems. Breeders shall reimburse the buyers documented related veterinary expenses in the case that health problems arise within seven days of purchase. 4. Breeders will provide registration and pedigree records showing breeders name, address, and telephone number for each puppy sold. 5. Breeders will sell only puppies of sound health and temperament. 6. Breeders will provide all genetic test results for the sire and dam and be able to answer questions about heredity problems in their breeding stock for several generations back. 7. Breeders shall supply vaccination worming and health records for buyers. 8. Breeders shall honestly disclose genetic and potential faults of their puppies as well as their strengths. In addition our Dundee location is privileged to have one of the better known trainers in the area running this event. We believe that overall, our standards are outstanding, and that we are committed to the welfare of the animals. Betty Email tracking number: 415037 --- Cabela's Customer Relations Customer Relations: Mon - Fri (6 am to 6pm); Sat (8 am to 3pm), MST Toll Free Ph # - 800-237- (U.S./Canadian residents) Direct Fax # - 308-254-6745 (U.S. residents) 308-254-7345 (International residents) Order Department: (24 Hours per Day, 7 Days per Week) Toll Free Ph # - 800-237- (U.S./Canadian residents) Toll Free Fax # - 800-496-6329 (U.S./Canadian residents) Direct Fax #- 308-254-2200 (International residents)
fairy
Good day to you all. I normally would not make a public announcement regarding Hesse but something "fabulous" has happened so as to bring him comfort. Please take a look at < http://www.tolatsga.org/hesse/days3.shtml >. He is a good boy. -- Jordan S. Dill Network Support Engineer I, 1-877-877-2120 - Option 3 Webmaster/Abuse Specialist SoVerNet,Inc/National Mobile Communications Corp PGP public key < http://tinyurl.com/emzx > The information contained in this email message may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient any use,distribution, disclosure or copying of this information is prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please tell us by return email and destroy this communication and any attachments from your system.
Re: Quickie update+ on Beau
Hi Tracey and Beau, > Oh yes, 1 tooth (only) extracted -- in the back, a molar ... The vet was > very happy with teeth cleaning ... He's probably not thrilled ... But not > refusing to eat. He gets boiled chicken tonight .. I'm sure he'll love > that!! When I brought Sunny home after her broken tooth extraction, what did Ros say! "She will probably sleep the rest of the day, feed her soft food tonight!" Hmmm! Got her home, early afternoon, she totally polished the Boys' Bowls though they were empty, they had had lunch!! Then sat by the Larder Door looking wistful! Such Big Eyes! Gave her some scrambled egg! Later that night she got usual feed and she was hungry and fine! Continues to do very well! > I hope for a good prognosis ... I should know by Monday. Wishing you all the best here, Let us know! All Love, Jean, Sunny, Sim, Barney and the Longlease Gang http://bernese.biz
Fw: questionable tactics <<#221735-414501#>>
This is the response I received from Cabela's. I wonder if anyone else received similar posts. Jeanne - Original Message - From: "Cabela's Customer Service" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 6:56 AM Subject: Re: questionable tactics <<#221735-414501#>> > Jeanne Schoech, > > I would like to take a moment to thank you for your concerns regarding our puppy central days at Cabela's. As the majority of our outfitters live the outdoor lifestyle, we share a common interest regarding the welfare of animals that are sold during our events. Because of this care and concern, we have adopted stringent guidelines that all of our breeders must follow in order to present puppies for sale. The guidelines are as follows; > > 1. Breeders Must register with Cabelas before displaying or selling their puppies. > 2. Breeders Must have a suitable exercise pen for displaying puppies. No puppies will be sold out of the back of any vehicle. > 3. Breeders shall include an offer to refund the buyers money and/or replace the puppy if it develops health problems. Breeders shall reimburse the buyers documented related veterinary expenses in the case that health problems arise within seven days of purchase. > 4. Breeders will provide registration and pedigree records showing breeders name, address, and telephone number for each puppy sold. > 5. Breeders will sell only puppies of sound health and temperament. > 6. Breeders will provide all genetic test results for the sire and dam and be able to answer questions about heredity problems in their breeding stock for several generations back. > 7. Breeders shall supply vaccination worming and health records for buyers. > 8. Breeders shall honestly disclose genetic and potential faults of their puppies as well as their strengths. > > In addition our Dundee location is privileged to have one of the better known trainers in the area running this event. We believe that overall, our standards are outstanding, and that we are committed to the welfare of the animals. > > Shelley > > Email tracking number: 414501 > > --- > Cabela's Customer Relations > > Customer Relations: Mon - Fri (6 am to 6pm); Sat (8 am to 3pm), MST > Toll Free Ph # - 800-237- (U.S./Canadian residents) > Direct Fax # - 308-254-6745 (U.S. residents) >308-254-7345 (International residents) > Order Department: (24 Hours per Day, 7 Days per Week) > Toll Free Ph # - 800-237- (U.S./Canadian residents) > Toll Free Fax # - 800-496-6329 (U.S./Canadian residents) > Direct Fax #- 308-254-2200 (International residents)
BMDCNV Picnic in Maine!
Dear L-ers, The Bernese Mountain Dog Club of Nashoba Valley will be holding an informal picnic on Saturday, July 19th, at Fort Foster in Kittery, Maine. If you would like to know more about the picnic, please visit BMDCNV's website, http://www.bmdcnv.org/events.html, or contact me with questions. Bring your own lunch; there will be Silly Games and equally silly prizes, but otherwise this is a very informal get-together for Berners and their pet people.If you have been wondering what the heck Nashoba Valley stands for, it's the regional New England BMD club. Please feel free to come if you are visiting the area, whether you are in the club or not! Martha Hoverson, Molly (Rooby-roo!) and Sam (What's a picnic?) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Portland, Maine _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Puppy Sales at Cabella's
I would like to send an email to them. What is the address? terry thompson missoula, montana At 09:46 AM 07/09/03 -0700, Karen Aufdemorte wrote: Hi All, I have sent an email to Cabella's customer service, for which I received 2 responses: one an automated "we received your email" and the other a lengthy defense of their practices from someone in customer service named Shelley. I responded to her email, which listed all the steps Cabella's requires of the "breeders" and which assured me that the puppy sale was run by a well-known trainer in the area. I basically told her that their practice was irresponsible, no matter who is running it, because no reputable breeder sells their puppies in an impulse forum like that. While this currently doesn't affect Berners, the whole concept of responsible, knowledgeable pet ownership has to be addressed. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but maybe if they get enough attention from it they'll quit. Karen Aufdemorte and Caleb San Antonio, TX
Puppy Sales at Cabella's
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puppy sales at Cabela's
Next it will be Wal-Mart! Beth Schmoyer Snowden & Misha Bethlehem, PA
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Re: Deramaxx
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Re: Allergies
Hi Edward, I have also an dog with allergies around her eyes from time to time its itching verry much. Deb Tripp told my to use verry strong thee [the same thee we drink our self] let it cole down and then put it 4 or 5 times a day on the paw,s and when the thee is dry again then put Aleo Vera gel [not parfumed ] on it. You can use this as long as your dog will likking her paw,s Dingo and Willem - Original Message - From: "edward abbati" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 7:43 AM Subject: Allergies > > Does anyone have a berner (6 years old, female) with allergies? Our dog is > constantly licking her paws so the vet gave us some allergy pills. We tried > them but they do not seem to work. Now the vet wants us to change her diet > and us Hill ZD Altra food. I hate to go thru a million different > treatments - any help or suggestions. > >
