Re: [Bf-committers] libredcode
Hi all, Sorry for slow reply, the past days I'm way behind mails - people here want attention too! Andrew Hunter's observations are all correct and in the line of our actions already :) This is the plan sofar; - Camalot is testing the new Sony F65 now, we might get that - or at least we get the red epics. That decision is being made in a few weeks from now. - I realize Red is not very 'open', nor interested in supporting that. I have contacted them about our work, but the contact remains very shallow. - In case we will use the Red Epic, we will for sure arrange a test with Camalot first (a month before we film). - We can use a closed workflow to get the files from the Red cartridges converted to something readable for us (openexr preferably) - using the Red software. That's for me then the start of the open vfx pipeline :) - There's also a chance we support someone to help developing redcode file conversion. Getting this opened up is something more people (studios too!) would like to see. Feasibility unsure. - If you have Red (Epic) footage for us to test that would rock! But it should be in a compatible free license (Creative Commons Attribution). We already had Red One footage from another source, which is being copied to xiph.org for everyone currently; Thanks, -Ton- Ton Roosendaal Blender Foundation t...@blender.orgwww.blender.org Blender Institute Entrepotdok 57A 1018AD Amsterdam The Netherlands On 20 Feb, 2012, at 19:35, Andrew Hunter wrote: For what it is worth, I can supply sample r3ds for development. A 10 second clip from a film I shot is available from: http://files.aehunter.net/BHS_RED_CLIP.zip It was shot about two years ago on the RED One, firmware build 17 iirc. I am working with the Epic on a shoot later this week. I could supply some sample footage under a cc license if desired. Sincerely, Andrew On Feb 20, 2012 1:01 PM, Andrew Hunter and...@aehunter.net wrote: Speaking here for a moment on a topic that is my profession, not just my hobby (the way computers and programming are). Not just just with every new camera. Red optimizes their firmware constantly to squeak better performance out of their cameras. Jim janard likes to boast about opening footage shot years ago and it looking as good as footage shot today. The majority of Red's 'secret sauce' lies in the sdk and the apps that use it. At best, mango could sponsor a reverse engineering of a particular file format + firmware revision and it would still give sub-optimal results. More likely, you will end up processing the r3ds in redcine-x pro with the redlogfilm gamma setting to preserve dynamic range and saving to exr or tiff and using those as your master files. Fundamentally, Red is a company that is ideologically at odds with the principles of the open movie. Sincerely, Andrew Hunter On Feb 20, 2012 12:45 PM, Brecht Van Lommel brechtvanlom...@pandora.be wrote: Yes, it seems that with every new camera, RAW/R3D file formats also gets changed/extended. I also couldn't open these files with libraw. This probably means someone would have to reverse engineer the latest version of the R3D file format. Brecht. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Sergey Sharybin sergey@gmail.com wrote: FFmpeg doesn't work with files Brecht gave links to. At all. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Sergey Kurdakov sergey.fo...@gmail.comwrote: Hi also http://www.libraw.org supports r3d files. Regards Sergey ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers -- With best regards, Sergey Sharybin ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] libredcode
Hey Ton, Can we expect an official responsible from the mango production team on this? Cheers, Andrew On Feb 20, 2012 2:20 PM, François T. francoistarl...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/2/20 Andrew Hunter and...@aehunter.net More likely, you will end up processing the r3ds in redcine-x pro with the redlogfilm gamma setting to preserve dynamic range and saving to exr or tiff and using those as your master files. This is what I have been doing so far, since I believe every open software out there claiming to read R3D files probably have old supports like Blender did, and doesn't work in most of the cases. F. ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] libredcode
Hi, This is basically unknown still. The preference is always to use open source software, worst case we batch convert using a proprietary tool, as integrating a proprietary library in Blender is not possible. If anyone wants to work on figuring out how to get these imported with open source tools, that could be a nice project for an interested developer. There's libraries like libredcode, dcraw and libraw, but it's unclear if they can already import this or what would need to be done to make that work. As far as I know we don't have any Mango files yet, but it seems like R3D files from this camera can be found online: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?42130-M-X-REEL-R3D-s http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?60180-FTP-(7)-Free-EPIC-300fps-R3D-files-*Limited-Time Brecht. On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Nate Wiebe natewieb...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed that Camalot AV Facilties sponsored a Red Epic for the filming of Mango. So my questions are: Will libredcode be updated to support the newer firmware and .R3D codec? or Will a new library (perhaps Red's API) be integrated into blender? or Will another application be used to convert R3D files into say EXR's? or How will the RAW camera footage be used in blender? (Because it seems kind of a waste if the raw data isn't used) -NateW ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
[Bf-committers] libredcode
Hi I've seen r3d support in ffmpeg ( not tested though ), which in turn is used in Blender Regards Sergey ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
[Bf-committers] libredcode
Hi also http://www.libraw.org supports r3d files. Regards Sergey ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] libredcode
FFmpeg doesn't work with files Brecht gave links to. At all. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Sergey Kurdakov sergey.fo...@gmail.comwrote: Hi also http://www.libraw.org supports r3d files. Regards Sergey ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers -- With best regards, Sergey Sharybin ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] libredcode
Yes, it seems that with every new camera, RAW/R3D file formats also gets changed/extended. I also couldn't open these files with libraw. This probably means someone would have to reverse engineer the latest version of the R3D file format. Brecht. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Sergey Sharybin sergey@gmail.com wrote: FFmpeg doesn't work with files Brecht gave links to. At all. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Sergey Kurdakov sergey.fo...@gmail.comwrote: Hi also http://www.libraw.org supports r3d files. Regards Sergey ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers -- With best regards, Sergey Sharybin ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] libredcode
Speaking here for a moment on a topic that is my profession, not just my hobby (the way computers and programming are). Not just just with every new camera. Red optimizes their firmware constantly to squeak better performance out of their cameras. Jim janard likes to boast about opening footage shot years ago and it looking as good as footage shot today. The majority of Red's 'secret sauce' lies in the sdk and the apps that use it. At best, mango could sponsor a reverse engineering of a particular file format + firmware revision and it would still give sub-optimal results. More likely, you will end up processing the r3ds in redcine-x pro with the redlogfilm gamma setting to preserve dynamic range and saving to exr or tiff and using those as your master files. Fundamentally, Red is a company that is ideologically at odds with the principles of the open movie. Sincerely, Andrew Hunter On Feb 20, 2012 12:45 PM, Brecht Van Lommel brechtvanlom...@pandora.be wrote: Yes, it seems that with every new camera, RAW/R3D file formats also gets changed/extended. I also couldn't open these files with libraw. This probably means someone would have to reverse engineer the latest version of the R3D file format. Brecht. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Sergey Sharybin sergey@gmail.com wrote: FFmpeg doesn't work with files Brecht gave links to. At all. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Sergey Kurdakov sergey.fo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi also http://www.libraw.org supports r3d files. Regards Sergey ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers -- With best regards, Sergey Sharybin ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] libredcode
For what it is worth, I can supply sample r3ds for development. A 10 second clip from a film I shot is available from: http://files.aehunter.net/BHS_RED_CLIP.zip It was shot about two years ago on the RED One, firmware build 17 iirc. I am working with the Epic on a shoot later this week. I could supply some sample footage under a cc license if desired. Sincerely, Andrew On Feb 20, 2012 1:01 PM, Andrew Hunter and...@aehunter.net wrote: Speaking here for a moment on a topic that is my profession, not just my hobby (the way computers and programming are). Not just just with every new camera. Red optimizes their firmware constantly to squeak better performance out of their cameras. Jim janard likes to boast about opening footage shot years ago and it looking as good as footage shot today. The majority of Red's 'secret sauce' lies in the sdk and the apps that use it. At best, mango could sponsor a reverse engineering of a particular file format + firmware revision and it would still give sub-optimal results. More likely, you will end up processing the r3ds in redcine-x pro with the redlogfilm gamma setting to preserve dynamic range and saving to exr or tiff and using those as your master files. Fundamentally, Red is a company that is ideologically at odds with the principles of the open movie. Sincerely, Andrew Hunter On Feb 20, 2012 12:45 PM, Brecht Van Lommel brechtvanlom...@pandora.be wrote: Yes, it seems that with every new camera, RAW/R3D file formats also gets changed/extended. I also couldn't open these files with libraw. This probably means someone would have to reverse engineer the latest version of the R3D file format. Brecht. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Sergey Sharybin sergey@gmail.com wrote: FFmpeg doesn't work with files Brecht gave links to. At all. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Sergey Kurdakov sergey.fo...@gmail.comwrote: Hi also http://www.libraw.org supports r3d files. Regards Sergey ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers -- With best regards, Sergey Sharybin ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] libredcode
2012/2/20 Andrew Hunter and...@aehunter.net More likely, you will end up processing the r3ds in redcine-x pro with the redlogfilm gamma setting to preserve dynamic range and saving to exr or tiff and using those as your master files. This is what I have been doing so far, since I believe every open software out there claiming to read R3D files probably have old supports like Blender did, and doesn't work in most of the cases. F. ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
[Bf-committers] libredcode
Forgive me if this is the wrong mailing-list. I noticed that Camalot AV Facilties sponsored a Red Epic for the filming of Mango. So my questions are: Will libredcode be updated to support the newer firmware and .R3D codec? or Will a new library (perhaps Red's API) be integrated into blender? or Will another application be used to convert R3D files into say EXR's? or How will the RAW camera footage be used in blender? (Because it seems kind of a waste if the raw data isn't used) -NateW ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] libredcode
Very interesting question! Looking forward to know more about choice on R3D files. In fact they're quite compressed and easy to use compared to EXR converted from them! --Original Message-- From: Nate Wiebe Sender: bf-committers-boun...@blender.org To: bf-committers@blender.org ReplyTo: bf-blender developers Subject: [Bf-committers] libredcode Sent: 19 Feb 2012 19:37 Forgive me if this is the wrong mailing-list. I noticed that Camalot AV Facilties sponsored a Red Epic for the filming of Mango. So my questions are: Will libredcode be updated to support the newer firmware and .R3D codec? or Will a new library (perhaps Red's API) be integrated into blender? or Will another application be used to convert R3D files into say EXR's? or How will the RAW camera footage be used in blender? (Because it seems kind of a waste if the raw data isn't used) -NateW ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers E-Mail Sent via BlackBerry from BT Mobile ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] libredcode
The SDK is obviously not even a remote option as of the suffocating distribution licensing. The rest falls under reverse engineering which, in addition to being prohibited legally as per their camera EULAs, would also be subject to a firmware change at the source that could potentially destroy all effort. On Feb 19, 2012 11:51 AM, f.paglia...@gmail.com wrote: Very interesting question! Looking forward to know more about choice on R3D files. In fact they're quite compressed and easy to use compared to EXR converted from them! There are a plethora of good reasons that the vast bulk of visual effects pipelines work off of EXR which are far too numerous to list here. R3Dcode would fail on many fronts even if it were not encumbered by restrictive licensing and lack of specification. If I were to wager, the official software will be used to generate the offline proxies and then again to pull the EXRs for online. Just a hunch. ;) With respect, TJS ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
