Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
Hendrik, try this: In the web group page view: 1. Go to scholar.google.com 2. Click Scholar preferences 3. Set Interface language to English 4. Set Bibliography Manager to Show links to import citations into BibTeX (choose BibTeX from the popup menu) If you do a scholar search from the web group interface after those changes have been made, the results should show up as importable items in the pane below. Cheers, Bertolt Am 09.11.2007 um 09:58 schrieb Hendrik: I was very excited to see the release notes mention import from Google Scholar. Using a feature called 'Web Group'. I found the 'web' group in the side pane. I get the 3 pane view. I went to Google Scholar, did a search. But nothing appears in the panes below. I tried ACM library as well. Again I could not get anything to show up below. Am I missing a button somewhere that I need to click? I tried drag and dropping links into the pane below. I followed the BibTex links in the Google Scholar results. Nothing. The panes remain empty. I looked in the BibDesk help pages but saw no mention of the Web Group feature. Checked the Wiki and asked Google but found no instructions anywhere on how to use this thing. Please someone enlighten me. I sounds like an incredibly useful feature. How do I use it? Thanks, Hendrik PS: I am running Leopard. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- Bertolt Meyer Oberassistent Psychologisches Institut Universität Zürich Sozialpsychologie Binzmühlestr. 14 / 1, Box 15 CH-8050 Zürich [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +41446357282 fax: +41446357279 mob: +41788966111 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On 2007-November-09 , at 10:24 , Hendrik wrote: Hmm. Nevermind. After quitting, restarting and trying again it magically works now. Same here. Very very cool. ... a minute later ... But then after switching to another group and coming back to the web group it stopped working again. Only quitting and restarting seemed to help. I guess it isn't all that stable yet? Another quirk (in this otherwise very useful feature): when I change the prefs to search only english or french documents, I get Unable to parse bibtex for all records. Lastly: is the UI for this meant to stay different from other searches or will these web scrapping searches be integrated along side others? It would seem more natural to me to access all these in a searches menu, with bookmarks common to all, even if the UI once the search is started is a bit different (three panes vs two panes). Thanks a lot for this great feature, google scholar search is awesome. JiHO --- http://jo.irisson.free.fr/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On 9-Nov-07, at 1:05 AM, Bertolt Meyer bmeyer-at-sozpsy.uzh.ch | Sourceforge| wrote: Hendrik, try this: In the web group page view: 1. Go to scholar.google.com 2. Click Scholar preferences 3. Set Interface language to English 4. Set Bibliography Manager to Show links to import citations into BibTeX (choose BibTeX from the popup menu) If you do a scholar search from the web group interface after those changes have been made, the results should show up as importable items in the pane below. I did have those settings correct from the beginning. But as I wrote after restarting I did get it to work. However after trying a few successful queries (maybe 6-8 overall) Google now seems to have blocked me. I get this now: We're sorry... ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. We'll restore your access as quickly as possible, so try again soon. In the meantime, if you suspect that your computer or network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or spyware remover to make sure that your systems are free of viruses and other spurious software. We apologize for the inconvenience, and hope we'll see you again on Google. And answering the captcha below it doesn't help. I guess Google does not like being scraped? Hendrik - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
I've also seen that. It seems they block you when you're doing too many searches under some conditions. I wonder what those conditions are, so we could correct it. Perhaps they require some kind of HTTP headers, like originating application info? Christiaan On 9 Nov 2007, at 10:52 AM, Hendrik wrote: On 9-Nov-07, at 1:05 AM, Bertolt Meyer bmeyer-at-sozpsy.uzh.ch | Sourceforge| wrote: Hendrik, try this: In the web group page view: 1. Go to scholar.google.com 2. Click Scholar preferences 3. Set Interface language to English 4. Set Bibliography Manager to Show links to import citations into BibTeX (choose BibTeX from the popup menu) If you do a scholar search from the web group interface after those changes have been made, the results should show up as importable items in the pane below. I did have those settings correct from the beginning. But as I wrote after restarting I did get it to work. However after trying a few successful queries (maybe 6-8 overall) Google now seems to have blocked me. I get this now: We're sorry... ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. We'll restore your access as quickly as possible, so try again soon. In the meantime, if you suspect that your computer or network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or spyware remover to make sure that your systems are free of viruses and other spurious software. We apologize for the inconvenience, and hope we'll see you again on Google. And answering the captcha below it doesn't help. I guess Google does not like being scraped? Hendrik -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On Nov 9, 2007, at 1:24 AM, Hendrik wrote: But then after switching to another group and coming back to the web group it stopped working again. Only quitting and restarting seemed to help. I guess it isn't all that stable yet? Is anything logged in /Applications/Utilities/Console that might be relevant? Others have reported this, but I haven't seen it. thanks, adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
This is fantastic. Two questions: 1) Once I have completed a Google Scholar search, I see items showing up in the BibDesk pane at the bottom. But when I click to the second page of the search results, the BibDesk list does not change. Is there something I have to do to get the second page's links to load? 2) Is there some way to save URLs, such as the Google Scholar URL? Thanks, Ingrid - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
[Bibdesk-users] Local URLs
Is there a way for the local urls to work with tilde expansion? I have a bib file that I keep in a subversion repository and would like to use on multiple computers and while the home directories are mirrored the usernames and hence the full paths differ (not my choice). That means the local urls are broken on the new computer. Any ideas about how to work around this? All the best, Mark - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Local URLs
On 9 Nov 2007, at 9:26 PM, Hendrik wrote: That is the solution I currently use. My bibtex file lives at the top of my ~/Papers directory. All the papers are auto-filed in sub-directories under that with relative paths. The whole directory is synced across multiple machines using Chronosync. Some tips to get that to work: Make sure you have the same Auto-file preferences on all machines. To get all entries changed from absolute to relative paths take these steps: 1) Change the auto-file preference settings to relative. 2) Select all papers and choose Publication-Consolidate Linked Files If the path for some or all papers would stay the same (that is, the location of the files on disk does not need to change to match the new Auto-file settings) you will have to temporarily change the auto-file settings (for example by prepending a 'temp' to all file names), select 'Consolidate Linked Files', change the auto-file setting back, consolidate again. That will ensure that all absolute links actually get converted to relative links. Actually, since the developers are reading here too: It would be nice to change this behaviour and automatically convert all links to relative or absolute depending on the preference setting. Hendrik On 9-Nov-07, at 11:16 AM, Christiaan Hofman cmhofman-at-gmail.com | Sourceforge| wrote: On 9 Nov 2007, at 7:44 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: On Friday, November 09, 2007, at 10:33AM, Mark Eli Kalderon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way for the local urls to work with tilde expansion? I have a bib file that I keep in a subversion repository and would like to use on multiple computers and while the home directories are mirrored the usernames and hence the full paths differ (not my choice). That means the local urls are broken on the new computer. Any ideas about how to work around this? Tilde abbreviated paths should work just fine. If I replace file://localhost/Volumes/Local/amaxwell with ~, everything works as it should. You can go through and change entries in bulk using the find replace panel. I'm not sure how (or if) AutoFile works with tilde, though; as far as I recall it creates an absolute or document-relative path. -- adam AutoFile does never generate tilde path. It can however generate paths relative to the folder containing the .bib file. Christiaan No, that's bad behavior. We should never just automatically change things like that. Christiaan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
Another option to get this to work more consistently for users who haven't set their BibTeX preference in Google Scholar is to use the Related Links URL in each entry to craft a URL that leads to the BibTeX. For example, the related links for a piece might look like http://scholar.google.com/scholar?num=100hl=enlr=client=firefoxq=related:O1sOP5RcQI0J:scholar.google.com/ while the BibTeX link looks like this: http://scholar.google.com/scholar.bib?num=100hl=enlr=client=firefoxq=info:O1sOP5RcQI0J:scholar.google.com/output=citationoe=MACINTOSHoi=citation As for decreasing the number of requests: My guess is that the scraper currently depends upon the BibTeX links, and would have to be rewritten to scrape the HTML directly (which is also usually a bad idea, since the format is usually subject to change) -AHM On Nov 9, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Hendrik wrote: It could just be the fast sequence of requests for the BibTeX entries that triggers it. In which case it might make sense to change the scraper to only request the pages with the BibTeX upon request. That is, when the user clicks on items in the second pane. Hendrik On 9-Nov-07, at 2:54 AM, Christiaan Hofman cmhofman-at-gmail.com | Sourceforge| wrote: I've also seen that. It seems they block you when you're doing too many searches under some conditions. I wonder what those conditions are, so we could correct it. Perhaps they require some kind of HTTP headers, like originating application info? Christiaan On 9 Nov 2007, at 10:52 AM, Hendrik wrote: However after trying a few successful queries (maybe 6-8 overall) Google now seems to have blocked me. I get this now: We're sorry... ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. We'll restore your access as quickly as possible, so try again soon. In the meantime, if you suspect that your computer or network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or spyware remover to make sure that your systems are free of viruses and other spurious software. We apologize for the inconvenience, and hope we'll see you again on Google. And answering the captcha below it doesn't help. I guess Google does not like being scraped? Hendrik - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Local URLs
On 9-Nov-07, at 12:54 PM, Christiaan Hofman cmhofman-at-gmail.com | Sourceforge| wrote: On 9 Nov 2007, at 9:26 PM, Hendrik wrote: To get all entries changed from absolute to relative paths take these steps: 1) Change the auto-file preference settings to relative. 2) Select all papers and choose Publication-Consolidate Linked Files If the path for some or all papers would stay the same (that is, the location of the files on disk does not need to change to match the new Auto-file settings) you will have to temporarily change the auto-file settings (for example by prepending a 'temp' to all file names), select 'Consolidate Linked Files', change the auto-file setting back, consolidate again. That will ensure that all absolute links actually get converted to relative links. Actually, since the developers are reading here too: It would be nice to change this behaviour and automatically convert all links to relative or absolute depending on the preference setting. Hendrik No, that's bad behavior. We should never just automatically change things like that. Christiaan I think you probably misunderstood. What I meant is the following: If you change your auto-filing preferences from absolute to relative paths and then afterwards select one (or all) paper(s) and choose 'Consolidate Linked Files', then the Local-Url path should IMO be changed from an absolute to a relative one. Even when the location of the file on disk remains the same. Currently the path only gets converted to relative when the location of the file on disk changes. Hendrik - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Local URLs
On 9 Nov 2007, at 11:00 PM, Hendrik wrote: On 9-Nov-07, at 12:54 PM, Christiaan Hofman cmhofman-at-gmail.com | Sourceforge| wrote: On 9 Nov 2007, at 9:26 PM, Hendrik wrote: To get all entries changed from absolute to relative paths take these steps: 1) Change the auto-file preference settings to relative. 2) Select all papers and choose Publication-Consolidate Linked Files If the path for some or all papers would stay the same (that is, the location of the files on disk does not need to change to match the new Auto-file settings) you will have to temporarily change the auto-file settings (for example by prepending a 'temp' to all file names), select 'Consolidate Linked Files', change the auto-file setting back, consolidate again. That will ensure that all absolute links actually get converted to relative links. Actually, since the developers are reading here too: It would be nice to change this behaviour and automatically convert all links to relative or absolute depending on the preference setting. Hendrik No, that's bad behavior. We should never just automatically change things like that. Christiaan I think you probably misunderstood. What I meant is the following: If you change your auto-filing preferences from absolute to relative paths and then afterwards select one (or all) paper(s) and choose 'Consolidate Linked Files', then the Local-Url path should IMO be changed from an absolute to a relative one. Even when the location of the file on disk remains the same. Currently the path only gets converted to relative when the location of the file on disk changes. Hendrik Yes, I understood you correctly. However we check the path for autofile, not the value of the Local-Url field. There are many reasons for this, and the code is far to complex to easily be more intelligent. We could of course change the local-url anyway, but it would mean we'd change the local-url anytime even when it is not necessary. That is bad, IMHO worse. Christiaan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
They are not persistent here either (1.3.11, v929). How about a preference to set the home page for Web group? Fr. On 09/11/2007, Christiaan Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9 Nov 2007, at 9:32 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: On Friday, November 09, 2007, at 11:24AM, Christiaan Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think the combo box updates when you add bookmarks. You'll have to reopen the document before they turn up. In the next nightly build there will be far better support for bookmarks. That looks much nicer indeed! If I add Google Scholar, the menu isn't populated after a quit/relaunch, though. Are the bookmarks supposed to be per-document or something? -- adam They're global, saved in App Support. They are persistent for me. Christiaan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Local URLs
On Nov 9, 2007 2:28 PM, Christiaan Hofman cmhofman-at-gmail.com |Sourceforge| ... wrote: On 9 Nov 2007, at 11:00 PM, Hendrik wrote: On 9-Nov-07, at 12:54 PM, Christiaan Hofman cmhofman-at-gmail.com | Sourceforge| wrote: On 9 Nov 2007, at 9:26 PM, Hendrik wrote: To get all entries changed from absolute to relative paths take these steps: 1) Change the auto-file preference settings to relative. 2) Select all papers and choose Publication-Consolidate Linked Files If the path for some or all papers would stay the same (that is, the location of the files on disk does not need to change to match the new Auto-file settings) you will have to temporarily change the auto-file settings (for example by prepending a 'temp' to all file names), select 'Consolidate Linked Files', change the auto-file setting back, consolidate again. That will ensure that all absolute links actually get converted to relative links. Actually, since the developers are reading here too: It would be nice to change this behaviour and automatically convert all links to relative or absolute depending on the preference setting. Hendrik No, that's bad behavior. We should never just automatically change things like that. Christiaan I think you probably misunderstood. What I meant is the following: If you change your auto-filing preferences from absolute to relative paths and then afterwards select one (or all) paper(s) and choose 'Consolidate Linked Files', then the Local-Url path should IMO be changed from an absolute to a relative one. Even when the location of the file on disk remains the same. Currently the path only gets converted to relative when the location of the file on disk changes. Hendrik Yes, I understood you correctly. However we check the path for autofile, not the value of the Local-Url field. There are many reasons for this, and the code is far to complex to easily be more intelligent. We could of course change the local-url anyway, but it would mean we'd change the local-url anytime even when it is not necessary. That is bad, IMHO worse. Christiaan Okay, so it is difficult for the code to be more intelligent because of how things are implemented internally. But this is different from 'bad behaviour', no? My interpretation of 'Consolidate linked files ...' from a users perspective is the following: Make the location of my files and the Local-Url links match the content of the entries in the database and the settings for Auto-File. This involves moving things around if necessary and changing the Local-Url if necessary. If I specify I want relative links I would expect to get relative links. I also don't quite see how overwriting the local-url with the identical value when the user selects 'Consolidate linked files ...' is a bad thing. It's not like unnecessarily changing a few strings in memory when the user invokes the 'Consolidate' function would be a big performance bottleneck. Hendrik - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On Nov 9, 2007, at 12:54 PM, Alexander H. Montgomery wrote: As for decreasing the number of requests: My guess is that the scraper currently depends upon the BibTeX links, and would have to be rewritten to scrape the HTML directly (which is also usually a bad idea, since the format is usually subject to change) This is correct. For a page with 10 BibTeX links, you get 10 URL loads. Try the next nightly build and see if things are any different. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On Nov 9, 2007, at 3:15 PM, François Briatte wrote: They are not persistent here either (1.3.11, v929). How about a preference to set the home page for Web group? Try the next nightly build; there's a dedicated bookmarks main menu. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
