[Bibdesk-users] votes on 1.3.13?
Sent this to the dev list earlier by mistake. The latest nightly build should be a release candidate. If there are no major problems or UI changes suggested, I'll see about updating the French translation. So +1 from me. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] [OT] How to crossref?
On Friday, January 04, 2008, at 12:04PM, Ingrid Giffin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 1/4/08 12:51 PM, Jason Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is confusing me, actually, so this is a timely thread. Can
I ask the experts' help here?
For example I have a reference to a book with two editors:
here's the edited raw reference.
@book{harveyschultz06a,
Address = {Cambridge, UK},
Author = {Harvey, Paul B and Schultz, Celia E},
Dewey-Call-Number = {937.04},
Genre = {Religion and politics},
Publisher = {Cambridge University Press},
Title = {Religion in republican Italy},
Url = {http://www.loc.gov/catdir/enhancements/fy0710/2007296031-d.html},
Volume = {v. 33},
Year = {2006},
}}
The 'authors' are actually editors but that's how it came from
the Library search. If I move them to the editor field and
create a 'child' of one of the chapters, it fills in the Title
with 'Religion in republican Italy' and leaves Booktitle blank.
I can't change the Title because of the cross-reference.
I have had this happen too: The parent title goes into the crossref child's
title rather than into the booktitle.
Is the parent title supposed to be in its booktitle field instead? This I
suppose is logical but counterintuitive, since I think of the title field as
being the default, and only think of the overarching booktitle when children
come into play, sometimes after the fact.
You did search the help, right?
http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/manual/BibDesk%20Help_72.html
http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FAQ#I_don.27t_get_what_the_Crossref_field_does_.2F_I_don.27t_think_the_way_BibDesk_handles_Crossrefs_is_very_smart._Couldn.27t_that_be_changed.3F
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] [OT] How to crossref?
Well, the way I understand crossref is that it is meant for items I
want to cite separately but which depend on a parent item. For me this
means that I do not use it for chapters, unless these are articles
written by different authors and put together in one single
volume/book. The parent item would be book, the single articles
incollection.
This is confusing me, actually, so this is a timely thread. Can
I ask the experts' help here?
For example I have a reference to a book with two editors:
here's the edited raw reference.
@book{harveyschultz06a,
Address = {Cambridge, UK},
Author = {Harvey, Paul B and Schultz, Celia E},
Dewey-Call-Number = {937.04},
Genre = {Religion and politics},
Publisher = {Cambridge University Press},
Title = {Religion in republican Italy},
Url = {http://www.loc.gov/catdir/enhancements/fy0710/2007296031-d.html},
Volume = {v. 33},
Year = {2006},
}}
The 'authors' are actually editors but that's how it came from
the Library search. If I move them to the editor field and
create a 'child' of one of the chapters, it fills in the Title
with 'Religion in republican Italy' and leaves Booktitle blank.
I can't change the Title because of the cross-reference.
Is it easy to see what I am doing wrong here? ... thanks.
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[Bibdesk-users] Orphaned Files, aliases, and folders
Two questions: 1)Does the Orphaned Files feature use the new aliases now, or the old local-url fields? 2)The Orphaned Files currently will list files within folders even if the folder isn't orphaned itself (i.e., a publication links to a folder). It seems to me that it should ignore the contents of folders that are linked. Cheers -AHM - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] [OT] How to crossref?
On 1/4/08 12:51 PM, Jason Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is confusing me, actually, so this is a timely thread. Can
I ask the experts' help here?
For example I have a reference to a book with two editors:
here's the edited raw reference.
@book{harveyschultz06a,
Address = {Cambridge, UK},
Author = {Harvey, Paul B and Schultz, Celia E},
Dewey-Call-Number = {937.04},
Genre = {Religion and politics},
Publisher = {Cambridge University Press},
Title = {Religion in republican Italy},
Url = {http://www.loc.gov/catdir/enhancements/fy0710/2007296031-d.html},
Volume = {v. 33},
Year = {2006},
}}
The 'authors' are actually editors but that's how it came from
the Library search. If I move them to the editor field and
create a 'child' of one of the chapters, it fills in the Title
with 'Religion in republican Italy' and leaves Booktitle blank.
I can't change the Title because of the cross-reference.
I have had this happen too: The parent title goes into the crossref child's
title rather than into the booktitle.
Is the parent title supposed to be in its booktitle field instead? This I
suppose is logical but counterintuitive, since I think of the title field as
being the default, and only think of the overarching booktitle when children
come into play, sometimes after the fact.
--Ingrid Giffin
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] [OT] How to crossref?
snip The 'authors' are actually editors but that's how it came from the Library search. If I move them to the editor field and create a 'child' of one of the chapters, it fills in the Title with 'Religion in republican Italy' and leaves Booktitle blank. I can't change the Title because of the cross-reference. I have had this happen too: The parent title goes into the crossref child's title rather than into the booktitle. Is the parent title supposed to be in its booktitle field instead? This I suppose is logical but counterintuitive, since I think of the title field as being the default, and only think of the overarching booktitle when children come into play, sometimes after the fact. You did search the help, right? http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/manual/BibDesk%20Help_72.html http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FAQ#I_don.27t_get_what_the_Cross ref_field_does_.2F_I_don.27t_think_the_way_BibDesk_handles_Crossrefs_is_very_s mart._Couldn.27t_that_be_changed.3F Well, I actually had read that help section several times, but hadn't been able to make sense of it. This is sort of working for me now, but when title gets copied to booktitle in the parent item, the title field is not cleared. Then the child item ends up with the parent title in two fields also. I guess you have to manually clear the title field in the parent item before creating the child. --Ingrid Giffin - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] votes on 1.3.13?
The sample script doesn't run due to an error with making linked urls. See bug report: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1864179group_id=61487atid=497423 On 2008-01-04, at 9:31 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: Sent this to the dev list earlier by mistake. The latest nightly build should be a release candidate. If there are no major problems or UI changes suggested, I'll see about updating the French translation. So +1 from me. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] [OT] How to crossref?
On 2008-01-04, at 12:33 PM, Ingrid Giffin wrote: snip The 'authors' are actually editors but that's how it came from the Library search. If I move them to the editor field and create a 'child' of one of the chapters, it fills in the Title with 'Religion in republican Italy' and leaves Booktitle blank. I can't change the Title because of the cross-reference. I have had this happen too: The parent title goes into the crossref child's title rather than into the booktitle. Is the parent title supposed to be in its booktitle field instead? This I suppose is logical but counterintuitive, since I think of the title field as being the default, and only think of the overarching booktitle when children come into play, sometimes after the fact. You did search the help, right? http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/manual/BibDesk%20Help_72.html http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FAQ#I_don.27t_get_what_the_Cross ref_field_does_.2F_I_don. 27t_think_the_way_BibDesk_handles_Crossrefs_is_very_s mart._Couldn.27t_that_be_changed.3F Well, I actually had read that help section several times, but hadn't been able to make sense of it. This is sort of working for me now, but when title gets copied to booktitle in the parent item, the title field is not cleared. Then the child item ends up with the parent title in two fields also. I guess you have to manually clear the title field in the parent item before creating the child. --Ingrid Giffin You actually don't want to clear the title field, because if you cite just the book, BibTeX looks for the 'title' field rather than the 'booktitle' field. -AHM - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] [OT] How to crossref?
On 4 Jan 2008, at 9:41 PM, Alexander H. Montgomery wrote: On 2008-01-04, at 12:33 PM, Ingrid Giffin wrote: snip The 'authors' are actually editors but that's how it came from the Library search. If I move them to the editor field and create a 'child' of one of the chapters, it fills in the Title with 'Religion in republican Italy' and leaves Booktitle blank. I can't change the Title because of the cross-reference. I have had this happen too: The parent title goes into the crossref child's title rather than into the booktitle. Is the parent title supposed to be in its booktitle field instead? This I suppose is logical but counterintuitive, since I think of the title field as being the default, and only think of the overarching booktitle when children come into play, sometimes after the fact. You did search the help, right? http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/manual/BibDesk%20Help_72.html http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FAQ#I_don. 27t_get_what_the_Cross ref_field_does_.2F_I_don. 27t_think_the_way_BibDesk_handles_Crossrefs_is_very_s mart._Couldn.27t_that_be_changed.3F Well, I actually had read that help section several times, but hadn't been able to make sense of it. This is sort of working for me now, but when title gets copied to booktitle in the parent item, the title field is not cleared. Then the child item ends up with the parent title in two fields also. I guess you have to manually clear the title field in the parent item before creating the child. --Ingrid Giffin You actually don't want to clear the title field, because if you cite just the book, BibTeX looks for the 'title' field rather than the 'booktitle' field. -AHM Moreover it makes all the sense to fill in the Title field of the child item (to override the one from the parent), because it is specific for the child. Christiaan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Orphaned Files, aliases, and folders
On 4 Jan 2008, at 9:08 PM, Alexander H. Montgomery wrote: Two questions: 1)Does the Orphaned Files feature use the new aliases now, or the old local-url fields? 2)The Orphaned Files currently will list files within folders even if the folder isn't orphaned itself (i.e., a publication links to a folder). It seems to me that it should ignore the contents of folders that are linked. Cheers -AHM Most features, including Orphaned Files, use the new file layout. I'm not sure about 2, but I don't thinkl I agree. Especially now, when it's probably want to link files in the folder rather than the folder itself. Christiaan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
[Bibdesk-users] google scholar blocked
Does anyone know how Google Scholar decides to block requests? I used it for a search (6 pages @ 20 items/page), quit BD to add a feature I needed, then when I relaunched and tried to use it again I was greeted with this: // begin quote We're sorry... ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. We'll restore your access as quickly as possible, so try again soon. In the meantime, if you suspect that your computer or network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or spyware remover to make sure that your systems are free of viruses and other spurious software. We apologize for the inconvenience, and hope we'll see you again on Google. // end quote They also blocked OmniWeb on the same machine, but at least OW worked again after I entered the captcha. BD is still blocked even after entering the captcha. I'm assuming it's because we make too many URL requests in a short time, but I wonder if there's anything we can do to prevent it? thanks, adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] [OT] How to crossref?
On 1/4/08 1:41 PM, Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-01-04, at 12:33 PM, Ingrid Giffin wrote: snip The 'authors' are actually editors but that's how it came from the Library search. If I move them to the editor field and create a 'child' of one of the chapters, it fills in the Title with 'Religion in republican Italy' and leaves Booktitle blank. I can't change the Title because of the cross-reference. I have had this happen too: The parent title goes into the crossref child's title rather than into the booktitle. Is the parent title supposed to be in its booktitle field instead? This I suppose is logical but counterintuitive, since I think of the title field as being the default, and only think of the overarching booktitle when children come into play, sometimes after the fact. You did search the help, right? http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/manual/BibDesk%20Help_72.html http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FAQ#I_don.27t_get_what_the_Cro ss ref_field_does_.2F_I_don. 27t_think_the_way_BibDesk_handles_Crossrefs_is_very_s mart._Couldn.27t_that_be_changed.3F Well, I actually had read that help section several times, but hadn't been able to make sense of it. This is sort of working for me now, but when title gets copied to booktitle in the parent item, the title field is not cleared. Then the child item ends up with the parent title in two fields also. I guess you have to manually clear the title field in the parent item before creating the child. --Ingrid Giffin You actually don't want to clear the title field, because if you cite just the book, BibTeX looks for the 'title' field rather than the 'booktitle' field. -AHM Makes sense. Thanks. But then why does the child item copy both title and booktitle? The title will always need to be replaced by the child's specific title--at least this has been the rule in my use. Thanks, Ingrid - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] [OT] How to crossref?
On 4 Jan 2008, at 11:14 PM, Ingrid Giffin wrote: On 1/4/08 1:41 PM, Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-01-04, at 12:33 PM, Ingrid Giffin wrote: snip The 'authors' are actually editors but that's how it came from the Library search. If I move them to the editor field and create a 'child' of one of the chapters, it fills in the Title with 'Religion in republican Italy' and leaves Booktitle blank. I can't change the Title because of the cross-reference. I have had this happen too: The parent title goes into the crossref child's title rather than into the booktitle. Is the parent title supposed to be in its booktitle field instead? This I suppose is logical but counterintuitive, since I think of the title field as being the default, and only think of the overarching booktitle when children come into play, sometimes after the fact. You did search the help, right? http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/manual/BibDesk%20Help_72.html http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FAQ#I_don. 27t_get_what_the_Cro ss ref_field_does_.2F_I_don. 27t_think_the_way_BibDesk_handles_Crossrefs_is_very_s mart._Couldn.27t_that_be_changed.3F Well, I actually had read that help section several times, but hadn't been able to make sense of it. This is sort of working for me now, but when title gets copied to booktitle in the parent item, the title field is not cleared. Then the child item ends up with the parent title in two fields also. I guess you have to manually clear the title field in the parent item before creating the child. --Ingrid Giffin You actually don't want to clear the title field, because if you cite just the book, BibTeX looks for the 'title' field rather than the 'booktitle' field. -AHM Makes sense. Thanks. But then why does the child item copy both title and booktitle? The title will always need to be replaced by the child's specific title--at least this has been the rule in my use. Thanks, Ingrid The crossref feature does not interpret. It just copies. It's your responsibility to fill in the details as needed. Christiaan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
[Bibdesk-users] Bibdesk terminology
Hi, all, I've been fiddling with a recent nightly build (Version 1.3.12 (v987)), and wanted to add some refs to my database. The 'help' says, roughly, go ahead and drag `em in. Two questions: - the help refers variously to the database and publications window. Are these the same? And, are these the window containing the (column) listing of the entries in the database? - is there any doc describing what (in the current versions) the various windows are and contain? I looked, but came up dry. And finally, when I drag a file containing a bibtex entry onto the 'central' window, I get this file added to the entry I drop the file onto, instead of getting a new entry. What am I missing? Ok, three. Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon at Large Institute for the Absorption of Federal Funds --- My wife 'n kids 'n dogs are gone, I can't get Jesus on the phone, But Ol' Milwaukee's Best is my best friend. --- - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Bibdesk terminology
On Friday, January 04, 2008, at 04:56PM, Justin C. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all, I've been fiddling with a recent nightly build (Version 1.3.12 (v987)), and wanted to add some refs to my database. The 'help' says, roughly, go ahead and drag `em in. Two questions: - the help refers variously to the database and publications window. Are these the same? And, are these the window containing the (column) listing of the entries in the database? That sounds right; this is the main document window that has columns and groups. It would be great if someone wanted to clean up the terminology in the help...Texinfo is pretty easy. - is there any doc describing what (in the current versions) the various windows are and contain? I looked, but came up dry. All the preference panes are documented, and the main window and editor window(s) are documented under Managing References (Editing and Browsing subtopics). And finally, when I drag a file containing a bibtex entry onto the 'central' window, I get this file added to the entry I drop the file onto, instead of getting a new entry. What am I missing? Try moving your file around until the entire tableview is highlighted (between rows or near the edge). If a row is highlighted, it adds to that row. If the entire table is highlighted, it adds a new ref. Dropping on a group might be an easier target. The drop highlight should give you a pretty good idea of what it's going to do, though. hth, adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
[Bibdesk-users] Styled bibliography text into Applescript
In 1.3.13, the Applescript command templated rich text now yields the correct text string, but it's not clear whether it includes any text style information (in Leopard). I don't have a complete handle on the situation, since it's easy to strip style information from strings in Applescript and Applescript 2.0 in Leopard handles strings a bit differently from previous versions. However, I can copy styled text from one document in TextEdit directly to the clipboard and then insert it into another document with styles preserved. When I set the clipboard to the output of templated rich text in BibDesk using the Abbrv export template (which should italicize journal names) I can insert the correct text into the TextEdit document from the clipboard, but the styles are absent. Is there a way to confirm that the current output of templated rich text is what's intended? By the way, the About box still reads 1.3.12 in the nightlies. Is it supposed to retain the old number until the official release? Jim Harrison UVa - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Styled bibliography text into Applescript
On Jan 4, 2008, at 5:49 PM, James Harrison wrote: Is there a way to confirm that the current output of templated rich text is what's intended? Hopefully Christiaan can answer that, but ISTR it's been problematic in the past due to Apple bugs. By the way, the About box still reads 1.3.12 in the nightlies. Is it supposed to retain the old number until the official release? Yes. That avoids some version check problems and guarantees that nightly users get notified of a new version. There are other ways to fix that, but I'm too lazy to bother :). -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] New pub from clipboard broken?
On Dec 31, 2007, at 1:21 PM, Adam M. Goldstein wrote: BUT: New pub from pasteboard works as expected in BD 1.3.12 (the last release). This should be fixed in the next nightly build. Thanks to Derick Fay for running BibDesk in the debugger for me and pinpointing the problem! -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
