Re: [Bibdesk-users] Annote field: search
On 08.08.2011, at 07:24, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: > > On Aug 7, 2011, at 15:04 , Christian Pleul wrote: > >> >> On 07.08.2011, at 17:54, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: >> >>> >>> On Aug 7, 2011, at 08:03 , Christian Pleul wrote: >>> Sorry, if I asked it before and just forgot. Anyway, would it not a an interesting feature, since I can imagine that people who studying e.g. research papers use this field to put their notes and excerpts in the annote field. >>> >>> Interesting, yes, but there has to be a cutoff point. For instance, >>> suppose I'd rather have abstract searchable instead of annote. Who wins? >> >> There can't be a winner. Make the abstract separately searchable is as >> important as the annote field itself. And I think, it is a very important >> point when using BD for e.g. scientific research. > > I did not make my point clearly enough. You want arbitrary fields to be > indexed and available from the search bar. This is not practical. > > Compare with Apple Mail; you don't have the option to add particular headers > in the search bar, and you're limited to subject, from, to, etc. For > BibDesk, we chose a reasonable, limited set of particular fields to index. > All fields are included when you search by "any field." > >>> There are additional problems involved due to the use of Search Kit for >>> searching, as you have to create a separate index for each field that is >>> indexed. Computationally, this will get expensive for larger fields & >>> bibliographies, so you could end up with a beachball on opening a document. >> >> >> Since I am not a programmer, I can to make a statement on this point. But >> when making it possible to search the entire file content as well as skim >> notes, I thought it would make sense (see above) to do this kind of search >> for information which can be inserted directly in BD itself. > > Those are features that cannot be provided cleanly by some other means, such > as Spotlight. You /can/ search abstract/annote/foo/bar fields using "any > field" or smart groups. As I wrote in the other thread, the idea to use these smart groups for certain search operation is interesting. I will give it a try. Anyway, to keep all "searches" safe in one place and not ending up with a to crowded sidebar, it would be great to group them into a folder or something similar. Is there already a way to do this? On 08.08.2011, at 01:47, Alexander H. Montgomery wrote: > [...] > Thinking out loud here, perhaps there is some tweak to the UI that could make > this more obvious? Although I don't normally think of it as a paragon of UI, > the Finder does this through having a "search box" and a limited number of > "search what" buttons below it just as BibDesk does... but then it has > additional limits you can set below that and a "save" button, which saves it > as a Smart Search... perhaps in BibDesk, it could save the search as a Smart > Group. That sounds not bad, may the developers could think about such a way to include that feature. Best, -- Christian -Click. Boom. Amazing!- Steve Jobs, 2006 -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Annote field: search
On Aug 7, 2011, at 15:04 , Christian Pleul wrote: > > On 07.08.2011, at 17:54, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: > >> >> On Aug 7, 2011, at 08:03 , Christian Pleul wrote: >> >>> Sorry, if I asked it before and just forgot. Anyway, would it not a an >>> interesting feature, since I can imagine that people who studying e.g. >>> research papers use this field to put their notes and excerpts in the >>> annote field. >> >> Interesting, yes, but there has to be a cutoff point. For instance, suppose >> I'd rather have abstract searchable instead of annote. Who wins? > > There can't be a winner. Make the abstract separately searchable is as > important as the annote field itself. And I think, it is a very important > point when using BD for e.g. scientific research. I did not make my point clearly enough. You want arbitrary fields to be indexed and available from the search bar. This is not practical. Compare with Apple Mail; you don't have the option to add particular headers in the search bar, and you're limited to subject, from, to, etc. For BibDesk, we chose a reasonable, limited set of particular fields to index. All fields are included when you search by "any field." >> There are additional problems involved due to the use of Search Kit for >> searching, as you have to create a separate index for each field that is >> indexed. Computationally, this will get expensive for larger fields & >> bibliographies, so you could end up with a beachball on opening a document. > > > Since I am not a programmer, I can to make a statement on this point. But > when making it possible to search the entire file content as well as skim > notes, I thought it would make sense (see above) to do this kind of search > for information which can be inserted directly in BD itself. Those are features that cannot be provided cleanly by some other means, such as Spotlight. You /can/ search abstract/annote/foo/bar fields using "any field" or smart groups. -- Adam -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Annote field: search
All fields are "searchable" through using Smart Groups. Just hit command-option-G and you'll be good to go with Annote, Abstract, or any other field you can dream up. Plus the searches are saved. Thinking out loud here, perhaps there is some tweak to the UI that could make this more obvious? Although I don't normally think of it as a paragon of UI, the Finder does this through having a "search box" and a limited number of "search what" buttons below it just as BibDesk does... but then it has additional limits you can set below that and a "save" button, which saves it as a Smart Search... perhaps in BibDesk, it could save the search as a Smart Group. -AHM On 2011-08-07, at 3:04 PM, Christian Pleul wrote: > > On 07.08.2011, at 17:54, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: > >> >> On Aug 7, 2011, at 08:03 , Christian Pleul wrote: >> >>> Sorry, if I asked it before and just forgot. Anyway, would it not a an >>> interesting feature, since I can imagine that people who studying e.g. >>> research papers use this field to put their notes and excerpts in the >>> annote field. >> >> Interesting, yes, but there has to be a cutoff point. For instance, suppose >> I'd rather have abstract searchable instead of annote. Who wins? > > There can't be a winner. Make the abstract separately searchable is as > important as the annote field itself. And I think, it is a very important > point when using BD for e.g. scientific research. > >> There are additional problems involved due to the use of Search Kit for >> searching, as you have to create a separate index for each field that is >> indexed. Computationally, this will get expensive for larger fields & >> bibliographies, so you could end up with a beachball on opening a document. > > > Since I am not a programmer, I can to make a statement on this point. But > when making it possible to search the entire file content as well as skim > notes, I thought it would make sense (see above) to do this kind of search > for information which can be inserted directly in BD itself. > > Best, > -- > Christian > > > -Spam will be a thing of the past in two years' time.- > > Bill Gates, Jan 2004 > > -- > BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA > The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. > Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. > Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ > Bibdesk-users mailing list > Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Advanced searching the database
On 07.08.2011, at 17:58, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: > > On Aug 7, 2011, at 08:23 , Christian Pleul wrote: > >>> I guess we could add recent searches to the search field. >>> >>> Christiaan >> >> That would be a nice step! > > Just revert to BibDesk 0.97 or so :). IIRC that got really messy, so we > removed the recent searches feature, either when regex searching was added > (long ago removed) or Search Kit was added (the present). > > Have you considered using Smart Groups? Those let you do more things > per-field, and are designed to be saved. If you want to set set up > fine-tuned searches and repeat them, I think that might be a better feature > for you to try. At the moment, I am using some smart groups to group sources according to certain aspects (related to contained keywords). The idea to use these smart groups is interesting. I will give it a try. Anyway, to keep all "searches" safe in one place and not ending up with a to crowded sidebar, it would be great to group them into a folder or something similar. Is there already a way to do this? Best, -- Christian -It's better to be a pirate than to join the Navy.- John Sculley and John A. Byrne, 1987 -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Annote field: search
On 07.08.2011, at 17:54, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: > > On Aug 7, 2011, at 08:03 , Christian Pleul wrote: > >> Sorry, if I asked it before and just forgot. Anyway, would it not a an >> interesting feature, since I can imagine that people who studying e.g. >> research papers use this field to put their notes and excerpts in the annote >> field. > > Interesting, yes, but there has to be a cutoff point. For instance, suppose > I'd rather have abstract searchable instead of annote. Who wins? There can't be a winner. Make the abstract separately searchable is as important as the annote field itself. And I think, it is a very important point when using BD for e.g. scientific research. > There are additional problems involved due to the use of Search Kit for > searching, as you have to create a separate index for each field that is > indexed. Computationally, this will get expensive for larger fields & > bibliographies, so you could end up with a beachball on opening a document. Since I am not a programmer, I can to make a statement on this point. But when making it possible to search the entire file content as well as skim notes, I thought it would make sense (see above) to do this kind of search for information which can be inserted directly in BD itself. Best, -- Christian -Spam will be a thing of the past in two years' time.- Bill Gates, Jan 2004 -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Advanced searching the database
On Aug 7, 2011, at 08:23 , Christian Pleul wrote: >> I guess we could add recent searches to the search field. >> >> Christiaan > > That would be a nice step! Just revert to BibDesk 0.97 or so :). IIRC that got really messy, so we removed the recent searches feature, either when regex searching was added (long ago removed) or Search Kit was added (the present). Have you considered using Smart Groups? Those let you do more things per-field, and are designed to be saved. If you want to set set up fine-tuned searches and repeat them, I think that might be a better feature for you to try. -- Adam -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Annote field: search
On Aug 7, 2011, at 08:03 , Christian Pleul wrote: > Sorry, if I asked it before and just forgot. Anyway, would it not a an > interesting feature, since I can imagine that people who studying e.g. > research papers use this field to put their notes and excerpts in the annote > field. Interesting, yes, but there has to be a cutoff point. For instance, suppose I'd rather have abstract searchable instead of annote. Who wins? There are additional problems involved due to the use of Search Kit for searching, as you have to create a separate index for each field that is indexed. Computationally, this will get expensive for larger fields & bibliographies, so you could end up with a beachball on opening a document. -- Adam -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Advanced searching the database
On 07.08.2011, at 17:18, Christiaan Hofman wrote: > > On Aug 7, 2011, at 14:51, Christian Pleul wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I find it a bit complicated to use customized searching to e.g. exclude >> something from the results such as >> >> Experiment !remote !2010 >> >> Anyway, could these searches (Experiment !remote !2010), not the results, >> saved in some way? >> >> >> >> Best, >> -- >> Christian >> >> >> -Spam will be a thing of the past in two years' time.- >> >> Bill Gates, Jan 2004 > > I guess we could add recent searches to the search field. > > Christiaan That would be a nice step! Best, -- Christian -Because I'm the CEO, and I think it can be done.- Steve Jobs, 2005-- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Advanced searching the database
On Aug 7, 2011, at 14:51, Christian Pleul wrote: > Hi, > > I find it a bit complicated to use customized searching to e.g. exclude > something from the results such as > > Experiment !remote !2010 > > Anyway, could these searches (Experiment !remote !2010), not the results, > saved in some way? > > > > Best, > -- > Christian > > > -Spam will be a thing of the past in two years' time.- > > Bill Gates, Jan 2004 I guess we could add recent searches to the search field. Christiaan -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Annote field: search
On 07.08.2011, at 16:58, Christiaan Hofman wrote: > On Aug 7, 2011, at 14:30, Christian Pleul wrote: > >> Would it be possible to _only_ search in the "Annote" field, as it is >> possible for "Title", "Skim Notes" etc? >> >> >> Best >> -- >> Christian >> >> >> -The next generation of interesting software will be done on the Macintosh, >> not the IBM PC.- >> >> Bill Gates, Nov 1984 > > Why would you expect a different answer now? Sorry, if I asked it before and just forgot. Anyway, would it not a an interesting feature, since I can imagine that people who studying e.g. research papers use this field to put their notes and excerpts in the annote field. -- Christian -Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life.- Steve Jobs, 2005 -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Annote field: search
On Aug 7, 2011, at 14:30, Christian Pleul wrote: > Would it be possible to _only_ search in the "Annote" field, as it is > possible for "Title", "Skim Notes" etc? > > > Best > -- > Christian > > > -The next generation of interesting software will be done on the Macintosh, > not the IBM PC.- > > Bill Gates, Nov 1984 Why would you expect a different answer now? Christiaan -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Annote field: spell checking
Arrggglgghhh... Thank you very much! -- Christian -Spam will be a thing of the past in two years' time.- Bill Gates, Jan 2004 On 07.08.2011, at 14:44, Alex Hamann wrote: > It's already available: > Edit => Spelling => Check Spelling while typing > > > > On 07.08.2011, at 14:27, Christian Pleul wrote: > >> Would it be possible to have spell checking in the "Annote" field? >> >> >> Thanks >> -- >> Christian >> >> >> -We've really achieved the ideal of what I wanted Microsoft to become.- >> Bill Gates, June 2008 >> >> -- >> BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA >> The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. >> Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. >> Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ >> Bibdesk-users mailing list >> Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users > > > -- > BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA > The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. > Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. > Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 > ___ > Bibdesk-users mailing list > Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Annote field: spell checking
It's already available: Edit => Spelling => Check Spelling while typing On 07.08.2011, at 14:27, Christian Pleul wrote: > Would it be possible to have spell checking in the "Annote" field? > > > Thanks > -- > Christian > > > -We've really achieved the ideal of what I wanted Microsoft to become.- > Bill Gates, June 2008 > > -- > BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA > The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. > Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. > Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ > Bibdesk-users mailing list > Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
[Bibdesk-users] Advanced searching the database
Hi, I find it a bit complicated to use customized searching to e.g. exclude something from the results such as Experiment !remote !2010 Anyway, could these searches (Experiment !remote !2010), not the results, saved in some way? Best, -- Christian -Spam will be a thing of the past in two years' time.- Bill Gates, Jan 2004 -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
[Bibdesk-users] Annote field: search
Would it be possible to _only_ search in the "Annote" field, as it is possible for "Title", "Skim Notes" etc? Best -- Christian -The next generation of interesting software will be done on the Macintosh, not the IBM PC.- Bill Gates, Nov 1984 -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
[Bibdesk-users] Annote field: spell checking
Would it be possible to have spell checking in the "Annote" field? Thanks -- Christian -We've really achieved the ideal of what I wanted Microsoft to become.- Bill Gates, June 2008 -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
