Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On 16 Nov 2007, at 2:17 PM, Matthias Damm wrote: Am 11.11.2007 um 04:57 schrieb Adam R. Maxwell: This build makes much more sense to me, since the Web group is now functional. It seems perfectly stable to me too. I guess the bookmarks stuff needs more testing, based on Christiaan's comment... I have been trying out the Web Groups feature lately, and I find it absolutely amazing. However I think it does not work properly sometimes: The problem I have seen is that sometimes the list of the Import links is not updated properly. When this happens, the list stays as it is even if I switch to the next page of Google Scholar results, do another search or open another page. Only restarting BibDesk makes the search useable again. This does not happen always, sometimes everything works as expected. This might not be a very helpful error description, but I don't know what other info I could give? (I'm running 10.5.1 on an Intel Macbook, problem exists with the latest stable release and with the latest nightly.) It should be able to recursively add new items when you reload a single frame. Is anything reported in the logs in Console? I also have a couple of feature requests: - It was great if you could save a web group with a fixed start page, for example a web group that always starts with Google Scholar. I don't feel like adding a new pref for that and it should be pretty easy now with the bookmarks. Some options on what happens after an item is imported could also be a nice improvement: - It was nice if the item was opened after import, just like the option for items imported via dragging. We disabled that, and we won't do more special-special handling in this case. Not editing allows you to keep with the web group. There are good reasons to do that. You can easily find the items you added from the web group in the Last Import group. - It was also helpful if there was an option to automatically re- generate the cite key for imported items. If you auto-generate the cite key that will happen automatically. Otherwise you can go to Last Import and use the menu item in the Publication menu. - Perhaps it could also be useful if a list of fields could be specified that should never be imported. I don't feel like adding a new pref for that. Nevertheless the web import is one of the greatest improvements to BibDesk ever. Thanks a lot! Best regards, Matthias You're welcome, Christiaan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
Am 16.11.2007 um 14:35 schrieb Christiaan Hofman: The problem I have seen is that sometimes the list of the Import links is not updated properly. When this happens, the list stays as it is even if I switch to the next page of Google Scholar results, do another search or open another page. Only restarting BibDesk makes the search useable again. This does not happen always, sometimes everything works as expected. This might not be a very helpful error description, but I don't know what other info I could give? (I'm running 10.5.1 on an Intel Macbook, problem exists with the latest stable release and with the latest nightly.) It should be able to recursively add new items when you reload a single frame. Is anything reported in the logs in Console? The only message from BibDesk there is 16.11.07 15:04:54 BibDesk[2978] Application will quit without finishing writing metadata cache. But that seems to happen every time I quit BD after I changed something in my file. I also have a couple of feature requests: - It was great if you could save a web group with a fixed start page, for example a web group that always starts with Google Scholar. I don't feel like adding a new pref for that and it should be pretty easy now with the bookmarks. O.k. Speaking of bookmarks: Shouldn't the bookmarked page load when a bookmark is selected but the Web panel is not open? When I select a bookmark the Web panel is opened, but the URL is not loaded. Only when I select the Bookmark again, it is loaded. Some options on what happens after an item is imported could also be a nice improvement: - It was nice if the item was opened after import, just like the option for items imported via dragging. We disabled that, and we won't do more special-special handling in this case. Not editing allows you to keep with the web group. There are good reasons to do that. You can easily find the items you added from the web group in the Last Import group. Would I have to leave the Web group if just the edit window for the new item was opened? - It was also helpful if there was an option to automatically re- generate the cite key for imported items. If you auto-generate the cite key that will happen automatically. Otherwise you can go to Last Import and use the menu item in the Publication menu. That doesn't work for me: The new items keep the cite key the got from Google Scholar. Thanks for the comments, best regards Matthias -- Matthias Damm - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key: http://macpla.net/MatthiasDamm.asc GPG fingerprint: CED3 6074 7F7D 3148 C6F3 DFF2 05FF 3A0B 0D12 4D41 Stoppt die Vorratsdatenspeicherung! - http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On 11/12/07, James Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, just wanted to say that I am , once again, astounded at the activity on the BibDesk list, and the speed at which new features are proposed, created, constructively criticised, rejigged, and digested into a stable part of this program. I can hardly keep up. I have the same feeling - I certainly can't keep up! I'm just poking through the list for the first time in a while and when I saw this I thought it might be interesting to note that at least in terms of the web group features, I've been wanting to do this feature for years, started writing some of the code for it in November 2006, and first tossed it into the main BibDesk code in January this year. That said, the subsequent velocity of improvements to make it actually usable is always surprising, even though I know very well how fast Christiaan and Adam get things done. -mike BTW, if I try to open a .bib file using QuickLook, I get the raw bibtex text, as might be expected. Is there any way to have a preview of the database as a list of refs in the default preview format? I read that there is a QuickLook plugin for BibDesk, but I don't know what it does. How does QuickLook work? I get the impression that it is effectively a print preview, i.e. a small pdf version of each file, which is stored with the file, and which can therefore be opened without the use of the original program. Is that right? If so, would it be possible to have a button, Create Preview as appears in the Keynote save as dialog box, which would allow to make a pdf version of a bib file, which would be shown when accessed via QuickLook? On Nov 11, 2007, at 1:44 PM, Hendrik wrote: Another question related to Google Scholar: So now we have a one button click way of getting the Google Scholar entry into BibDesk. Which is awesome. What is the easiest way currently to get from there to the PDF and get that filed away using the amazing auto file feature? Are there plans to maybe fully or partially automate this? That is, to have another button click download the PDF file using the first actually working link in Google Scholar and file it away. Yes, I hit this question last week trying to get stuff from Google Scholar. How to associate the PDF of the paper that you have found, with the BibDesk ref that has been scraped. The only way I can think of is for the scraper to find PDF links, which would then be added to the BibDesk ref as a URL, or else to include the link from Google to the journal page as a URL, so that if this URL is clicked on, BibDesk knows which link has been pursued, and hence which reference to associate with which downloaded PDF. BibDesk would also have to keep a watch on the downloads folder, and either have some way to autofile directly, or more likely to open the PDF so that it can be manually dragged to the right ref, and hence autofiled. James Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- Michael McCracken UCSD CSE PhD Candidate research: http://www.cse.ucsd.edu/~mmccrack/ misc: http://michael-mccracken.net/wp/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
First, just wanted to say that I am , once again, astounded at the activity on the BibDesk list, and the speed at which new features are proposed, created, constructively criticised, rejigged, and digested into a stable part of this program. I can hardly keep up. BTW, if I try to open a .bib file using QuickLook, I get the raw bibtex text, as might be expected. Is there any way to have a preview of the database as a list of refs in the default preview format? I read that there is a QuickLook plugin for BibDesk, but I don't know what it does. How does QuickLook work? I get the impression that it is effectively a print preview, i.e. a small pdf version of each file, which is stored with the file, and which can therefore be opened without the use of the original program. Is that right? If so, would it be possible to have a button, Create Preview as appears in the Keynote save as dialog box, which would allow to make a pdf version of a bib file, which would be shown when accessed via QuickLook? On Nov 11, 2007, at 1:44 PM, Hendrik wrote: Another question related to Google Scholar: So now we have a one button click way of getting the Google Scholar entry into BibDesk. Which is awesome. What is the easiest way currently to get from there to the PDF and get that filed away using the amazing auto file feature? Are there plans to maybe fully or partially automate this? That is, to have another button click download the PDF file using the first actually working link in Google Scholar and file it away. Yes, I hit this question last week trying to get stuff from Google Scholar. How to associate the PDF of the paper that you have found, with the BibDesk ref that has been scraped. The only way I can think of is for the scraper to find PDF links, which would then be added to the BibDesk ref as a URL, or else to include the link from Google to the journal page as a URL, so that if this URL is clicked on, BibDesk knows which link has been pursued, and hence which reference to associate with which downloaded PDF. BibDesk would also have to keep a watch on the downloads folder, and either have some way to autofile directly, or more likely to open the PDF so that it can be manually dragged to the right ref, and hence autofiled. James Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On Nov 12, 2007, at 3:21 AM, James Owen wrote: snip BTW, if I try to open a .bib file using QuickLook, I get the raw bibtex text, as might be expected. Is there any way to have a preview of the database as a list of refs in the default preview format? I read that there is a QuickLook plugin for BibDesk, but I don't know what it does. snip I can answer this one, so here goes: The .bib file looks good in Quicklook because you get syntax coloring in the preview; but the really useful thing is to be able to see each record. The easiest way to do this is to do a finder search for something that you know you have a record for, and then when it comes up as a search result, choose Quicklook at the method of viewing the results, and you'll get a little note card with some basic bib info on it. If you download the latest release of BD, you should have the Quicklook plugin already installed. If you already installed it yourself, you have to remove it; Adam M. already gave instructions for this a few days ago on the list, and I forget how to do it, but it does work, and you have to go back and look there to see what to do. -Adam G. = Adam M. Goldstein PhD Assistant Professor of Philosophy Iona College -- email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web:http://www.iona.edu/faculty/agoldstein/ tel:(914) 637-2717 post: Iona College Department of Philosophy 715 North Avenue New Rochelle, NY 10801 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On 10.11.2007, at 03:20, Adam R. Maxwell wrote:
On Nov 9, 2007, at 3:15 PM, François Briatte wrote:
They are not persistent here either (1.3.11, v929).
How about a preference to set the home page for Web group?
Try the next nightly build; there's a dedicated bookmarks main menu.
Something I noticed which no one seems to have mentioned yet: For
some reason Google Scholar always gives the title in double curly
parantheses, so that BibDesk ends importing. For example:
@article{delany1970apf,
Author = {Delany, ME and Bazley, EN},
Date-Added = {2007-11-10 08:57:42 +0100},
Date-Modified = {2007-11-10 08:57:42 +0100},
Journal = {Applied Acoustics},
Number = {2},
Pages = {105--116},
Title = {{Acoustical properties of fibrous absorbent materials}},
Volume = {3},
Year = {1970}}
I realize that this an error on Google's side, but maybe such cases
could be handled by the importer in general. I can't really think of
a situations where one wants to have double parantheses.
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
Something I noticed which no one seems to have mentioned yet: For
some reason Google Scholar always gives the title in double curly
parantheses, so that BibDesk ends importing. For example:
@article{delany1970apf,
Author = {Delany, ME and Bazley, EN},
Date-Added = {2007-11-10 08:57:42 +0100},
Date-Modified = {2007-11-10 08:57:42 +0100},
Journal = {Applied Acoustics},
Number = {2},
Pages = {105--116},
Title = {{Acoustical properties of fibrous absorbent materials}},
Volume = {3},
Year = {1970}}
I realize that this an error on Google's side, but maybe such cases
could be handled by the importer in general. I can't really think of
a situations where one wants to have double parantheses.
The double braces tell LaTeX to preserve the capitalization. So if the
title in Google Scholar is capitalized correctly it will be correct in
your references.
While this can be useful, I personally would also prefer it if the
BibDesk Scholar scraper would strip the extra set of braces.
Hendrik
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On 10.11.2007, at 09:55, Hendrik wrote:
Something I noticed which no one seems to have mentioned yet: For
some reason Google Scholar always gives the title in double curly
parantheses, so that BibDesk ends importing. For example:
@article{delany1970apf,
Author = {Delany, ME and Bazley, EN},
Date-Added = {2007-11-10 08:57:42 +0100},
Date-Modified = {2007-11-10 08:57:42 +0100},
Journal = {Applied Acoustics},
Number = {2},
Pages = {105--116},
Title = {{Acoustical properties of fibrous absorbent materials}},
Volume = {3},
Year = {1970}}
I realize that this an error on Google's side, but maybe such cases
could be handled by the importer in general. I can't really think of
a situations where one wants to have double parantheses.
The double braces tell LaTeX to preserve the capitalization. So if the
title in Google Scholar is capitalized correctly it will be correct in
your references.
Yeah, well, but in this case they're not capitalized correctly (at
least according to the rules I know about capitalization of titles in
English).
While this can be useful, I personally would also prefer it if the
BibDesk Scholar scraper would strip the extra set of braces.
Anyone against this?
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On Nov 10, 2007, at 4:10 AM, Simon Spiegel wrote:
On 10.11.2007, at 09:55, Hendrik wrote:
Something I noticed which no one seems to have mentioned yet: For
some reason Google Scholar always gives the title in double curly
parantheses, so that BibDesk ends importing. For example:
@article{delany1970apf,
Author = {Delany, ME and Bazley, EN},
Date-Added = {2007-11-10 08:57:42 +0100},
Date-Modified = {2007-11-10 08:57:42 +0100},
Journal = {Applied Acoustics},
Number = {2},
Pages = {105--116},
Title = {{Acoustical properties of fibrous absorbent materials}},
Volume = {3},
Year = {1970}}
I realize that this an error on Google's side, but maybe such cases
could be handled by the importer in general. I can't really think of
a situations where one wants to have double parantheses.
The double braces tell LaTeX to preserve the capitalization. So if
the
title in Google Scholar is capitalized correctly it will be correct
in
your references.
Yeah, well, but in this case they're not capitalized correctly (at
least according to the rules I know about capitalization of titles in
English).
While this can be useful, I personally would also prefer it if the
BibDesk Scholar scraper would strip the extra set of braces.
Anyone against this?
I am for it, if it means that this effectively ends the record. But
does it?
Regarding capitalization, I pretty much ignore whatever comes in, and
let the .bst file take care of it. My needs for caps change depending
on what the output is supposed to be.
-Adam G.
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On Nov 10, 2007, at 10:16 , Adam R. Maxwell wrote:
On Nov 10, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Alexander H. Montgomery wrote:
While this can be useful, I personally would also prefer it if the
BibDesk Scholar scraper would strip the extra set of braces.
Anyone against this?
I am for it, if it means that this effectively ends the record. But
does it?
Regarding capitalization, I pretty much ignore whatever comes in,
and
let the .bst file take care of it. My needs for caps change
depending
on what the output is supposed to be.
-Adam G.
Brackets are supposed to be used to force capitalization of things
that bst files can't know about; i.e., proper nouns and acronyms. So
I'm in favor of removing this from Google Scholar; I don't know if
this can be done in a non-hacky way.
Try the next nightly build. If the title has surrounding { and }
braces, they're removed if it doesn't cause a brace error.
I'm puzzled: since the braces are legit (perhaps Google puts the
extra set there to keep the title the way they got it?), why remove
them? I assume I'm missing something, but...
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
Thanks for the advice This build makes much more sense to me, since the Web group is now functional. It seems perfectly stable to me too. If questions continue to flow on the Web group function, maybe it would be a good idea to quickly announce a new version. This may contradict your current versioning policy, of which I am totally ignorant. On 10/11/2007, Adam R. Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 9, 2007, at 3:15 PM, François Briatte wrote: They are not persistent here either (1.3.11, v929). How about a preference to set the home page for Web group? Try the next nightly build; there's a dedicated bookmarks main menu. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On Nov 10, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Justin C. Walker wrote:
On Nov 10, 2007, at 10:16 , Adam R. Maxwell wrote:
On Nov 10, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Alexander H. Montgomery wrote:
While this can be useful, I personally would also prefer it if
the
BibDesk Scholar scraper would strip the extra set of braces.
Anyone against this?
I am for it, if it means that this effectively ends the record. But
does it?
Regarding capitalization, I pretty much ignore whatever comes in,
and
let the .bst file take care of it. My needs for caps change
depending
on what the output is supposed to be.
-Adam G.
Brackets are supposed to be used to force capitalization of things
that bst files can't know about; i.e., proper nouns and acronyms. So
I'm in favor of removing this from Google Scholar; I don't know if
this can be done in a non-hacky way.
Try the next nightly build. If the title has surrounding { and }
braces, they're removed if it doesn't cause a brace error.
I'm puzzled: since the braces are legit (perhaps Google puts the
extra set there to keep the title the way they got it?), why remove
them? I assume I'm missing something, but...
They're not always correct, though, unfortunately. It's generally
better to let the .bst handle capitalization issues, as Alex said,
rather than force it in the database. The records I've seen from
Google Scholar are a mix of title case, sentence case, and all caps.
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I'm puzzled: since the braces are legit (perhaps Google puts the
extra set there to keep the title the way they got it?), why remove
them? I assume I'm missing something, but...
They're not always correct, though, unfortunately. It's generally
better to let the .bst handle capitalization issues, as Alex said,
rather than force it in the database. The records I've seen from
Google Scholar are a mix of title case, sentence case, and all caps.
That's been my experience too. Capitalization in Google Scholar
currently seems too random overall to rely on it.
Letting BibTeX take care of the capitalization is definitely better at
this point.
I typically go through my references just before publishing papers to
fix capitalization for names and such.
For example: Stochastic relaxation, {G}ibbs distributions and the
{B}ayesian restoration of images.
The .bst file will not do that for you.
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On Nov 10, 2007, at 12:11 PM, François Briatte wrote: Thanks for the advice This build makes much more sense to me, since the Web group is now functional. It seems perfectly stable to me too. I guess the bookmarks stuff needs more testing, based on Christiaan's comment... If questions continue to flow on the Web group function, maybe it would be a good idea to quickly announce a new version. I agree...we've fixed a number of rather important bugs in it. This may contradict your current versioning policy, of which I am totally ignorant. There is no policy. I try to do a release about once a month, but it also depends on how many changes we've made and how well they've been tested. You wouldn't believe how many people whine if releases are too frequent... -- adam On 10/11/2007, Adam R. Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 9, 2007, at 3:15 PM, François Briatte wrote: They are not persistent here either (1.3.11, v929). How about a preference to set the home page for Web group? Try the next nightly build; there's a dedicated bookmarks main menu. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
Hendrik, try this: In the web group page view: 1. Go to scholar.google.com 2. Click Scholar preferences 3. Set Interface language to English 4. Set Bibliography Manager to Show links to import citations into BibTeX (choose BibTeX from the popup menu) If you do a scholar search from the web group interface after those changes have been made, the results should show up as importable items in the pane below. Cheers, Bertolt Am 09.11.2007 um 09:58 schrieb Hendrik: I was very excited to see the release notes mention import from Google Scholar. Using a feature called 'Web Group'. I found the 'web' group in the side pane. I get the 3 pane view. I went to Google Scholar, did a search. But nothing appears in the panes below. I tried ACM library as well. Again I could not get anything to show up below. Am I missing a button somewhere that I need to click? I tried drag and dropping links into the pane below. I followed the BibTex links in the Google Scholar results. Nothing. The panes remain empty. I looked in the BibDesk help pages but saw no mention of the Web Group feature. Checked the Wiki and asked Google but found no instructions anywhere on how to use this thing. Please someone enlighten me. I sounds like an incredibly useful feature. How do I use it? Thanks, Hendrik PS: I am running Leopard. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- Bertolt Meyer Oberassistent Psychologisches Institut Universität Zürich Sozialpsychologie Binzmühlestr. 14 / 1, Box 15 CH-8050 Zürich [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +41446357282 fax: +41446357279 mob: +41788966111 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On 2007-November-09 , at 10:24 , Hendrik wrote: Hmm. Nevermind. After quitting, restarting and trying again it magically works now. Same here. Very very cool. ... a minute later ... But then after switching to another group and coming back to the web group it stopped working again. Only quitting and restarting seemed to help. I guess it isn't all that stable yet? Another quirk (in this otherwise very useful feature): when I change the prefs to search only english or french documents, I get Unable to parse bibtex for all records. Lastly: is the UI for this meant to stay different from other searches or will these web scrapping searches be integrated along side others? It would seem more natural to me to access all these in a searches menu, with bookmarks common to all, even if the UI once the search is started is a bit different (three panes vs two panes). Thanks a lot for this great feature, google scholar search is awesome. JiHO --- http://jo.irisson.free.fr/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On 9-Nov-07, at 1:05 AM, Bertolt Meyer bmeyer-at-sozpsy.uzh.ch | Sourceforge| wrote: Hendrik, try this: In the web group page view: 1. Go to scholar.google.com 2. Click Scholar preferences 3. Set Interface language to English 4. Set Bibliography Manager to Show links to import citations into BibTeX (choose BibTeX from the popup menu) If you do a scholar search from the web group interface after those changes have been made, the results should show up as importable items in the pane below. I did have those settings correct from the beginning. But as I wrote after restarting I did get it to work. However after trying a few successful queries (maybe 6-8 overall) Google now seems to have blocked me. I get this now: We're sorry... ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. We'll restore your access as quickly as possible, so try again soon. In the meantime, if you suspect that your computer or network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or spyware remover to make sure that your systems are free of viruses and other spurious software. We apologize for the inconvenience, and hope we'll see you again on Google. And answering the captcha below it doesn't help. I guess Google does not like being scraped? Hendrik - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
I've also seen that. It seems they block you when you're doing too many searches under some conditions. I wonder what those conditions are, so we could correct it. Perhaps they require some kind of HTTP headers, like originating application info? Christiaan On 9 Nov 2007, at 10:52 AM, Hendrik wrote: On 9-Nov-07, at 1:05 AM, Bertolt Meyer bmeyer-at-sozpsy.uzh.ch | Sourceforge| wrote: Hendrik, try this: In the web group page view: 1. Go to scholar.google.com 2. Click Scholar preferences 3. Set Interface language to English 4. Set Bibliography Manager to Show links to import citations into BibTeX (choose BibTeX from the popup menu) If you do a scholar search from the web group interface after those changes have been made, the results should show up as importable items in the pane below. I did have those settings correct from the beginning. But as I wrote after restarting I did get it to work. However after trying a few successful queries (maybe 6-8 overall) Google now seems to have blocked me. I get this now: We're sorry... ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. We'll restore your access as quickly as possible, so try again soon. In the meantime, if you suspect that your computer or network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or spyware remover to make sure that your systems are free of viruses and other spurious software. We apologize for the inconvenience, and hope we'll see you again on Google. And answering the captcha below it doesn't help. I guess Google does not like being scraped? Hendrik -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On Nov 9, 2007, at 1:24 AM, Hendrik wrote: But then after switching to another group and coming back to the web group it stopped working again. Only quitting and restarting seemed to help. I guess it isn't all that stable yet? Is anything logged in /Applications/Utilities/Console that might be relevant? Others have reported this, but I haven't seen it. thanks, adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
This is fantastic. Two questions: 1) Once I have completed a Google Scholar search, I see items showing up in the BibDesk pane at the bottom. But when I click to the second page of the search results, the BibDesk list does not change. Is there something I have to do to get the second page's links to load? 2) Is there some way to save URLs, such as the Google Scholar URL? Thanks, Ingrid - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
Another option to get this to work more consistently for users who haven't set their BibTeX preference in Google Scholar is to use the Related Links URL in each entry to craft a URL that leads to the BibTeX. For example, the related links for a piece might look like http://scholar.google.com/scholar?num=100hl=enlr=client=firefoxq=related:O1sOP5RcQI0J:scholar.google.com/ while the BibTeX link looks like this: http://scholar.google.com/scholar.bib?num=100hl=enlr=client=firefoxq=info:O1sOP5RcQI0J:scholar.google.com/output=citationoe=MACINTOSHoi=citation As for decreasing the number of requests: My guess is that the scraper currently depends upon the BibTeX links, and would have to be rewritten to scrape the HTML directly (which is also usually a bad idea, since the format is usually subject to change) -AHM On Nov 9, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Hendrik wrote: It could just be the fast sequence of requests for the BibTeX entries that triggers it. In which case it might make sense to change the scraper to only request the pages with the BibTeX upon request. That is, when the user clicks on items in the second pane. Hendrik On 9-Nov-07, at 2:54 AM, Christiaan Hofman cmhofman-at-gmail.com | Sourceforge| wrote: I've also seen that. It seems they block you when you're doing too many searches under some conditions. I wonder what those conditions are, so we could correct it. Perhaps they require some kind of HTTP headers, like originating application info? Christiaan On 9 Nov 2007, at 10:52 AM, Hendrik wrote: However after trying a few successful queries (maybe 6-8 overall) Google now seems to have blocked me. I get this now: We're sorry... ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. We'll restore your access as quickly as possible, so try again soon. In the meantime, if you suspect that your computer or network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or spyware remover to make sure that your systems are free of viruses and other spurious software. We apologize for the inconvenience, and hope we'll see you again on Google. And answering the captcha below it doesn't help. I guess Google does not like being scraped? Hendrik - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
They are not persistent here either (1.3.11, v929). How about a preference to set the home page for Web group? Fr. On 09/11/2007, Christiaan Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9 Nov 2007, at 9:32 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: On Friday, November 09, 2007, at 11:24AM, Christiaan Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think the combo box updates when you add bookmarks. You'll have to reopen the document before they turn up. In the next nightly build there will be far better support for bookmarks. That looks much nicer indeed! If I add Google Scholar, the menu isn't populated after a quit/relaunch, though. Are the bookmarks supposed to be per-document or something? -- adam They're global, saved in App Support. They are persistent for me. Christiaan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On Nov 9, 2007, at 12:54 PM, Alexander H. Montgomery wrote: As for decreasing the number of requests: My guess is that the scraper currently depends upon the BibTeX links, and would have to be rewritten to scrape the HTML directly (which is also usually a bad idea, since the format is usually subject to change) This is correct. For a page with 10 BibTeX links, you get 10 URL loads. Try the next nightly build and see if things are any different. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] How to use Web Groups (Google Scholar)?
On Nov 9, 2007, at 3:15 PM, François Briatte wrote: They are not persistent here either (1.3.11, v929). How about a preference to set the home page for Web group? Try the next nightly build; there's a dedicated bookmarks main menu. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
