Re: [Bibdesk-users] Gremlins in the text, typographically correct (down and up) via babel/german and html-export
On 20 Feb 2008, at 10:55 AM, Rolf Schmolling wrote:
Am 19.02.2008 um 23:43 schrieb Adam R. Maxwell:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Alexander H. Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2008-02-19, at 2:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would it reduce the confusion to just save as UTF-8 by default?
As
long
as TeX conversion is enabled, that should (usually) be fine for
TeX
users who work with ASCII exclusively. I save my files as UTF-8
just to
avoid this problem, since the odd characters are almost
exclusively
in
abstracts which never get printed in TeX anyway.
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adam
If UTF-8 transparently deals with gremlins and plain text but
Western
ASCII does not, it would seem to make sense to have UTF-8 the
default
format as you suggest.
The other related issue is that after I do convert my file to
UTF-8,
I get
an annoying little message whenever I start BibDesk that says,
The document will be opened with encoding Western (ASCII), but it
was
previously saved with encoding Unicode (UTF-8). You should cancel
opening
and then reopen with the correct encoding.
If you go to Preferences-Files, you can change the Open and export
BibTeX files using encoding to Unicode. That should stop the
messages.
Correct, or use the Open... menu item and specify UTF-8 as the
encoding.
…
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adam
Hello,
this was a very welcome hint. I've been pondering for a while what to
do about UTF8 or not and comments and abstracts. That Bibdesk is
handling this in the background was something I didn't know and I'm
very happy to learn about!
Now I face a problem connected to this.
When citing references which have a quote in their title (I'm a
historian) I've been putting in code-snippets like \glqq some title-
text\grqq \ or \glqq some title-text\glqq into entries and via the
babel{german}-package and jurabib they turned right into what I wanted
them to look, in preview and in my documents. Does anybody know of a
smarter way to do this?
I am asking because when exporting a list of entries to html for an
online bibliography those \glqq some title-text\grqq \ are
obviously unwanted. Unfortunately quite a many references from my
database have such modifications.
Any hints, ideas?
Greetings,
Rolf
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You could turn on TeX conversion in the Files prefs, add custom 2-way
conversions for {\glqq} and {\grqq}, and use those forms (including
the braces). BibDesk will display the quotes, but save the TeX forms
in bibtex.
Christiaan
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] Gremlins in the text, typographically correct (down and up) via babel/german and html-export
Am 20.02.2008 um 11:09 schrieb Christiaan Hofman:
Hello!
in addition while testdriving I get the following:
Title: {{\glqq}test'' } I did put in “ (smart curly quote up)
greetings,
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] Gremlins in the text, typographically correct (down and up) via babel/german and html-export
On 20 Feb 2008, at 1:18 PM, Rolf Schmolling wrote:
Am 20.02.2008 um 11:09 schrieb Christiaan Hofman:
…You could turn on TeX conversion in the Files prefs, add custom 2-
way
conversions for {\glqq} and {\grqq}, and use those forms (including
the braces). BibDesk will display the quotes, but save the TeX forms
in bibtex.
Christiaan
Hello Christiaan,
thanks for the tip, still I can put in a double low-9 quotation mark
(UTF8: E2 80 9E) alright but when I try to put in a double high-
reversed-9 quotation mark (UTF8: E2 80 9F) it gives me an error …you
entered already has a TeX equivalent, possibly defined internally by
BibDesk .
Yes, these upper (double) quotes have a 1-way conversion to normal
(double) quotes, as tex cannot handle them. That prevents you from
adding custom ones. This is done because duplicates lead to
inconsistent conversions.
What I am basically aim for would be smart quotes German style („ “
where the first one is below and the closing quotation mark is up,
both are curled properly).
In connection to your tip, how to go on from here? If I write to the
title (or whatever field) of a reference with my German keyboard would
I get smart quotes to start with which then would be converted to a
TeX-equivalent? I found out via the little keyboard-viewer that I can
get the right quotes manually via alt+^ and alt+2 but this means I
have to re-think what little touch-typing I've learned in recent
months… duh.
Greetings,
Rolf
Yes, that's how it would work. You can also just type the TeX
equivalent (including the braces), and the next time you load BibDesk
will convert it to special characters.
Christiaan
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] Gremlins in the text, typographically correct (down and up) via babel/german and html-export
On 20 Feb 2008, at 1:20 PM, Rolf Schmolling wrote:
Am 20.02.2008 um 11:09 schrieb Christiaan Hofman:
Hello!
in addition while testdriving I get the following:
Title: {{\glqq}test'' } I did put in “ (smart curly quote up)
greetings,
Rolf
You mean in the bibtex file? This is precisely what it does, if you
defined a {\glqq} conversion. The other (”) is defined internally as a
1-way conversion to '', as I explained in my other mail.
Christiaan
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] Gremlins in the text, typographically correct (down and up) via babel/german and html-export
On 20 Feb 2008, at 2:28 PM, Rolf Schmolling wrote:
Hi Christiaan,
Am 20.02.2008 um 13:50 schrieb Christiaan Hofman:
On 20 Feb 2008, at 1:20 PM, Rolf Schmolling wrote:
Am 20.02.2008 um 11:09 schrieb Christiaan Hofman:
Hello!
in addition while testdriving I get the following:
Title: {{\glqq}test'' } I did put in “ (smart curly quote up)
greetings,
Rolf
You mean in the bibtex file? This is precisely what it does, if you
defined a {\glqq} conversion. The other (”) is defined internally
as a 1-way conversion to '', as I explained in my other mail.
Christiaan
I just tried with a test-document of mine. It looks alright. I am
still trying how that magic works. Grmmpf will read up in my LaTeX-
companion.
Greetings,
Rolf
For the next nightly I've allowed overwriting build-in 1-way
conversions, such as curly (double) quotes. This allows you to define
a (2-way) {\grqq} conversion.
Christiaan
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] Gremlins in the text, typographically correct (down and up) via babel/german and html-export
Hi Christiaan,
Am 20.02.2008 um 13:50 schrieb Christiaan Hofman:
On 20 Feb 2008, at 1:20 PM, Rolf Schmolling wrote:
Am 20.02.2008 um 11:09 schrieb Christiaan Hofman:
Hello!
in addition while testdriving I get the following:
Title: {{\glqq}test'' } I did put in “ (smart curly quote up)
greetings,
Rolf
You mean in the bibtex file? This is precisely what it does, if you
defined a {\glqq} conversion. The other (”) is defined internally as
a 1-way conversion to '', as I explained in my other mail.
Christiaan
I just tried with a test-document of mine. It looks alright. I am
still trying how that magic works. Grmmpf will read up in my LaTeX-
companion.
Greetings,
Rolf
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] Gremlins in the text, typographically correct (down and up) via babel/german and html-export
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Rolf Schmolling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
this was a very welcome hint. I've been pondering for a while what to
do about UTF8 or not and comments and abstracts. That Bibdesk is
handling this in the background was something I didn't know and I'm
very happy to learn about!
Now I face a problem connected to this.
When citing references which have a quote in their title (I'm a
historian) I've been putting in code-snippets like \glqq some title-
text\grqq \ or \glqq some title-text\glqq into entries and via the
babel{german}-package and jurabib they turned right into what I wanted
them to look, in preview and in my documents. Does anybody know of a
smarter way to do this?
I am asking because when exporting a list of entries to html for an
online bibliography those \glqq some title-text\grqq \ are
obviously unwanted. Unfortunately quite a many references from my
database have such modifications.
Have you considered using xetex/xelatex? That would allow you to save
the proper quotes directly as Unicode characters. If you depend on
babel, an alternative might be to use some other encoding that supports
those characters (8859-1?) with the appropriate inputenc command.
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