Re: [Bibdesk-users] The BibDesk input manager – a question and a plea
Adam, could you put up your hacked version of TeXShop (see below) again? That would be really great. Thank you, Bertolt Am 24.01.2008 um 19:52 schrieb Adam R. Maxwell: On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:48 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:22 AM, Simon Spiegel wrote: let me start by saying that I know that the topic of input managers has been discussed on this list, still, I'm not happy with the current situation. [...] I know that the developers never liked the input manager solution too much and that they prefer costum solutions for every app. In this spirit I filed a feature request for directo support for BibDesk in TeXShop, my favorite LaTeX editor. I sent the code to do this to Dick Koch and Jérome Laurens months ago when Leopard was released, along with a detailed description of how to use it (at their request). I sent them both a note last weekend asking if they've looked at it. So far, no response. Fortunately for me, TextMate doesn't have this problem... I'm sick today so decided to try hacking this into TeXShop myself. Please download http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/TeXShop.app.zip . I've basically integrated the guts of the input manager into TeXShop, using our newer Distributed Objects API. Barely tested, no warranty, use at your own risk, etc. This is based on the source from Dick Koch's site, since their svn repository seems out of date. I removed 30+ MB of QuickTime movies and PDF files from it so the upload was a reasonable size, which probably broke some help features. Oh, it's also missing the Spotlight importer since it doesn't play well with my build setup. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- Bertolt Meyer Senior Assistant Psychological Institute, University of Zurich Social Psychology Binzmühlestr. 14, Box 15 CH-8050 Zurich Switzerland [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +41446357282 fax: +41446357279 mob: +41788966111 - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] The BibDesk input manager – a question and a plea
On Apr 3, 2008, at 6:08 AM, Bertolt Meyer wrote: could you put up your hacked version of TeXShop (see below) again? That would be really great. I just copied it to my idisk again. Dick Koch said the source I used was old...so beware of bugs. adam - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] The BibDesk input manager – a question and a plea
Perfect, thanks. Did Richard indicate whether your hack might be implemented in future versions of TeXShop? Cheers, Bertolt Am 03.04.2008 um 16:15 schrieb Adam R. Maxwell: On Apr 3, 2008, at 6:08 AM, Bertolt Meyer wrote: could you put up your hacked version of TeXShop (see below) again? That would be really great. I just copied it to my idisk again. Dick Koch said the source I used was old...so beware of bugs. adam - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- Bertolt Meyer Senior Assistant Psychological Institute, University of Zurich Social Psychology Binzmühlestr. 14, Box 15 CH-8050 Zurich Switzerland [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +41446357282 fax: +41446357279 mob: +41788966111 - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] The BibDesk input manager – a question and a plea
I'm sick today so decided to try hacking this into TeXShop myself.
Please download http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/TeXShop.app.zip
. I've basically integrated the guts of the input manager into
TeXShop, using our newer Distributed Objects API. Barely tested, no
warranty, use at your own risk, etc.
This is based on the source from Dick Koch's site, since their svn
repository seems out of date. I removed 30+ MB of QuickTime movies
and PDF files from it so the upload was a reasonable size, which
probably broke some help features. Oh, it's also missing the
Spotlight importer since it doesn't play well with my build setup.
Just a short feedback: So far, this seems to work nicely. No problems
on my part.
Something I didn't notice before: The autocompletion is case
sensitive. It only reacts with lowercase \cite commands. Biblatex
introduces \Cite command with a capital letter. they're meant for
names with a prefix ('von part') at the beginning of the sentence, so
that biblatex knows that it has to capitalize this specific case.
BibDesk's autocompletion ignores this.
simon
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] The BibDesk input manager – a question and a plea
On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:48 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:22 AM, Simon Spiegel wrote: let me start by saying that I know that the topic of input managers has been discussed on this list, still, I'm not happy with the current situation. [...] I know that the developers never liked the input manager solution too much and that they prefer costum solutions for every app. In this spirit I filed a feature request for directo support for BibDesk in TeXShop, my favorite LaTeX editor. I sent the code to do this to Dick Koch and Jérome Laurens months ago when Leopard was released, along with a detailed description of how to use it (at their request). I sent them both a note last weekend asking if they've looked at it. So far, no response. Fortunately for me, TextMate doesn't have this problem... I'm sick today so decided to try hacking this into TeXShop myself. Please download http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/TeXShop.app.zip . I've basically integrated the guts of the input manager into TeXShop, using our newer Distributed Objects API. Barely tested, no warranty, use at your own risk, etc. This is based on the source from Dick Koch's site, since their svn repository seems out of date. I removed 30+ MB of QuickTime movies and PDF files from it so the upload was a reasonable size, which probably broke some help features. Oh, it's also missing the Spotlight importer since it doesn't play well with my build setup. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] The BibDesk input manager – a question and a plea
Hi Adam, that is very nice! What version of TexShop did you base it on? There is a 2.15-svn around which I am currently using (BibDeskinputmanager managed/enabled by Plugsuite which works). Greetings, Rolf Am 24.01.2008 um 19:52 schrieb Adam R. Maxwell: On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:48 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:22 AM, Simon Spiegel wrote: let me start by saying that I know that the topic of input managers has been discussed on this list, still, I'm not happy with the current situation. [...] I know that the developers never liked the input manager solution too much and that they prefer costum solutions for every app. In this spirit I filed a feature request for directo support for BibDesk in TeXShop, my favorite LaTeX editor. I sent the code to do this to Dick Koch and Jérome Laurens months ago when Leopard was released, along with a detailed description of how to use it (at their request). I sent them both a note last weekend asking if they've looked at it. So far, no response. Fortunately for me, TextMate doesn't have this problem... I'm sick today so decided to try hacking this into TeXShop myself. Please download http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/TeXShop.app.zip . I've basically integrated the guts of the input manager into TeXShop, using our newer Distributed Objects API. Barely tested, no warranty, use at your own risk, etc. This is based on the source from Dick Koch's site, since their svn repository seems out of date. I removed 30+ MB of QuickTime movies and PDF files from it so the upload was a reasonable size, which probably broke some help features. Oh, it's also missing the Spotlight importer since it doesn't play well with my build setup. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- Rolf Schmolling M.A. Historian, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://rolf_schmolling.macbay.de/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] The BibDesk input manager – a question and a plea
On Jan 24, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Rolf Schmolling wrote: Hi Adam, that is very nice! What version of TexShop did you base it on? There is a 2.15-svn around which I am currently using (BibDeskinputmanager managed/enabled by Plugsuite which works). I've no idea what version it is. Whatever was at http://www.uoregon.edu/~koch/texshop/texshopsource.zip - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] The BibDesk input manager – a question and a plea
Hello, I am sorry to hear that it didn't work for you Simon. I sent a post to the list with my own experiences: for me it works (TexShop) without any problems. I sent a message to the forum about this: Hi, I thought to add my expereiences with a workaround: I installed Plugsuite to take care of the InputManagers I really want to keep: especially BibDesk. It worked when I tried it out of the box (e.g. after my first install via Archive Install). I tried it out on an external HD- Installation. For whatever reasons when I had to reinstall Leopard on that testbed it didn't work. My workaround was to install an older version of BibDesk (where the relevant prefpane was still around and visible in Leopard to tell BibDesk inputManager which Applications to work with) and then Plugsuite and – later the new Version of BibDesk. Kept on working. Works still (10.5.1 on a MBP C2D early 2007) Hope that helps, Rolf BibDesk InputManager is in my own Library (~/Library/InputManagers/ BibDeskInputManager) and is managed by Plugsuite as it tells me in its pane. Greetings, Rolf Am 18.01.2008 um 17:48 schrieb Adam R. Maxwell: On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:22 AM, Simon Spiegel wrote: let me start by saying that I know that the topic of input managers has been discussed on this list, still, I'm not happy with the current situation. I'm not happy with it either... As you all know, with the introduction of Leopard, input managers have been disabled due to security concerns. For me – and I know I'm not alone here – this means a major loss of functionality. The ability to autocomplete cite keys in every Cocoa app was one of the greatest features of BibDesk IMO. Before the input manager, we used Services. Before that, there was the cite drawer and/or copy and paste. Both of these are still fully supported, and should work in Cocoa and Carbon applications. Most input managers can be enabled in Leopard. There are several tools for this, and IME this always works – with one exception: I can't get the BibDesk input manager to work again. Although the manager is enabled (with a tool called Input Managers) and I even re-enabled the respective prefpane in BibDesk by hacking info.plist, autocompletion doesn't work. So my question is: Has anyone been succesful in making this work? I haven't tried it, but I know others have gotten it to work. You've installed it in /Library and set permissions? And removed it from ~/ Library? You might try the MacOSX-TeX list. I know that the developers never liked the input manager solution too much and that they prefer costum solutions for every app. In this spirit I filed a feature request for directo support for BibDesk in TeXShop, my favorite LaTeX editor. I sent the code to do this to Dick Koch and Jérome Laurens months ago when Leopard was released, along with a detailed description of how to use it (at their request). I sent them both a note last weekend asking if they've looked at it. So far, no response. Fortunately for me, TextMate doesn't have this problem... But I still think that BibDesk loses much of its strength without the input manager. So this is my plea: Please think again about re-enabling this functionality. At least don't disable it if the input manager is enabled under Leopard. Sorry, no dice. Input managers (ours included) cause too many weird, random bugs, aside from the security implications. You've figured out how to get the pref pane back, and that's the only thing that was intentionally disabled. Our installation process no longer works on Leopard, since it requires write permission to the install directory; we'd have to use an installer package to install the thing now or delve into Apple's privileged execution stuff. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- Rolf Schmolling M.A. Historian, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://rolf_schmolling.macbay.de/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
