Re: NS record TTL versus nameserver's A record TTL

2013-10-08 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 08.10.13 11:49, John Wobus wrote:

We received a report that a domain we serve
was not resolving at a remote site.  The site
also reported their own analysis that the issue
appeared to be that the domain's NS record had
a longer TTL than its target nameserver's
A record and their caching server didn't
seem able to handle this.  FYI, the nameserver
was not within the domain with the issue.


it's hard to say from this information. Maybe if you provided concrete
domain name(s) we could tell more.


They took responsibility for their
nameserver's deficiency, but it
makes me wonder:
-Is this addressed by a standard?  E.g.,
the nameserver's A record have the same
TTL as NS records pointing at it.


It should be the same, when the server is in the domain.  I met exactly
those issues when NS record had longer ttl then the A record in the same
domain.

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Re: NS record TTL versus nameserver's A record TTL

2013-10-08 Thread Matthias Wimmer
Hi John,

El 2013-10-08 11:49:24, John Wobus escribió:
> They took responsibility for their
> nameserver's deficiency, but it
> makes me wonder:
> -Is this addressed by a standard?  E.g.,
>  the nameserver's A record have the same
>  TTL as NS records pointing at it.
> -Is this addressed by a "best practice"?

I don't of any standard addressing this. Neither I know a best practice
document on this.

But due to my experience, it is a quite common practice to have longer
TTL on NS records than on A records. I consider this quite normal, as
often you will more often change individual host's IP address than the
addresses of your nameservers.
Setting longer TTLs on the NS records reduces load on the higher level
DNS servers while allowing you to update entries in your zone faster.

For example DynDNS uses a TTL of 60 seconds for their customer's A
records while having a TTL value of 86400 seconds (1 day) on their NS
records.


Regards,
Matthias

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NS record TTL versus nameserver's A record TTL

2013-10-08 Thread John Wobus

We received a report that a domain we serve
was not resolving at a remote site.  The site
also reported their own analysis that the issue
appeared to be that the domain's NS record had
a longer TTL than its target nameserver's
A record and their caching server didn't
seem able to handle this.  FYI, the nameserver
was not within the domain with the issue.

They took responsibility for their
nameserver's deficiency, but it
makes me wonder:
-Is this addressed by a standard?  E.g.,
 the nameserver's A record have the same
 TTL as NS records pointing at it.
-Is this addressed by a "best practice"?
-If neither of the above, is there
 a "hidden practice that knowing folk
 often follow to dodge remote
 nameserver deficiencies"?

FYI, I only received the report fourth hand
and can't tell you the nameserver software
that had this issue.

John Wobus
Cornell University IT

P.S. This made me wonder what record bind
puts in the additional section if it has
both a glue A record for a nameserver
in the zone's file and an authoritative A
record for the nameserver in the nameserver's
own zone file.  I find by TTL finagling that
it serves the authoritative A record.
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