Re: [Blackbelly] what I feed for minerals

2011-10-19 Thread Mark Wintermute
I purchased an entire pallet load of food quality DE (around 125 cubic feet
of product) that was delivered by freight service from Werner Seeds out of
Iowa.  The cost was not bad at all but I also bought it in volume.

My opinion after going through an entire pallet of DE with ever increasing
dosages mixed into my commercial sheep feed is that the benefits of DE are
entirely lacking.  I saw no benefits in reduced parasite loads.  At the end
I had so much DE feed percentage wise that the sheep were hesitant to eat
it.  They were even not cleaning up the feed troughs completely.  Leaving
any feed of any kind in a feed trough is VERY unlikely with my sheep.

I am happy that others seem to have success with DE.  It was a waste of
resources in my situation.

Sincerely,
Mark Wintermute



Has anyone else had trouble finding food quality DE?  I've been told 
by several people on the Blackbelly Listserve that you must use food 
quality DE, and the bag must be specifically marked as food 
quality.  I see DE in farm stores, but it is not marked that way, so 
I've been afraid to buy it.

Mary Swindell



At 01:37 PM 10/19/2011, you wrote:
>It's also a potent, highly bioavailable mineral source, which
>contributes to parasite resistance.  A couple years ago Barb Lee did her
>own fecal tests, and did see a significant drop in parasite load after
>giving DE, so while there may be no scientific studies, there are
>evidence based case studies to support the idea that DE works as a wormer.
>
>It's an established fact that it works on external parasites, such as
>mites, and is very effective against bed bugs, too.
>
>Julian



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Re: [Blackbelly] what I feed for minerals

2011-10-19 Thread Mary Swindell
Has anyone else had trouble finding food quality DE?  I've been told 
by several people on the Blackbelly Listserve that you must use food 
quality DE, and the bag must be specifically marked as food 
quality.  I see DE in farm stores, but it is not marked that way, so 
I've been afraid to buy it.


Mary Swindell



At 01:37 PM 10/19/2011, you wrote:

It's also a potent, highly bioavailable mineral source, which
contributes to parasite resistance.  A couple years ago Barb Lee did her
own fecal tests, and did see a significant drop in parasite load after
giving DE, so while there may be no scientific studies, there are
evidence based case studies to support the idea that DE works as a wormer.

It's an established fact that it works on external parasites, such as
mites, and is very effective against bed bugs, too.

Julian


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Re: [Blackbelly] what I feed for minerals

2011-10-19 Thread Julian Hale
It's also a potent, highly bioavailable mineral source, which
contributes to parasite resistance.  A couple years ago Barb Lee did her
own fecal tests, and did see a significant drop in parasite load after
giving DE, so while there may be no scientific studies, there are
evidence based case studies to support the idea that DE works as a wormer.

It's an established fact that it works on external parasites, such as
mites, and is very effective against bed bugs, too.

Julian

On 10/18/2011 1:03 PM, Carol Elkins wrote:
> At 07:42 PM 10/17/2011, you wrote:
>  I have no idea what it is.>
>
> DE is diatomaceous earth. A lot of people swear by it as a dewormer,
> as well as use of Shaklee's Basic H detergent in the drinking water,
> and garlic. However, there are no scientific studies that suggest that
> any of these products have any substantial effect as an anthelmintic.
> I suspect that blackbelly sheep's natural tolerance to worms is the
> main reason that these substances appear to work.
>
> Carol
>
> Carol Elkins
> Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep
> (no shear, no dock, no fuss)
> Pueblo, Colorado
> http://www.critterhaven.biz
>
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Re: [Blackbelly] Fencing

2011-10-19 Thread Mary Swindell

Sandy,

For my perimeter fence, I use 48" standard field fence, with the 
following extras:


A row of barb wire at ground level.  This discourages predators from 
trying to dig under.


Another row of barb wire 6" above the top of the field fence.

A row of smooth wire 6" above the top barb wire.  This is electrified.

A row of smooth wire about 10" off the ground, on the outside of the 
fence, held out on 5" extended insulators.  This is also 
electrified.  This is the most important aspect.  It zaps curious 
predators before they start to tamper with the fence.


The total height of the fence is 5 feet (60 inches).  I use 6.5 foot 
T-posts for this., with 6 x 6 wood corner post sets.


I have never had a sheep try to go over this fence.

Mary Swindell



At 09:02 AM 10/19/2011, you wrote:



Hi all:

I am in the process of putting up fence for my BB sheep.  For my 
paddock area I have used sheep and goat fencing with 4x4 squares with electric
above, but it is expensive.  What experiences have people had with 
standard field fence?  I would like to fence our perimeter, and the

field fence is about half the cost.

Sandy Hession
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[Blackbelly] Fencing

2011-10-19 Thread SHession


Hi all:

I am in the process of putting up fence for my BB sheep.  For my paddock area I 
have used sheep and goat fencing with 4x4 squares with electric 
above, but it is expensive.  What experiences have people had with standard 
field fence?  I would like to fence our perimeter, and the 
field fence is about half the cost.

Sandy Hession
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